[NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread

[Flattering Flatulants]

I have a stake for sale for 4btc, you must go first. Pm me if you're interested.

[nottrulyevil]

I have a stake for sale for 4btc, you must go first. Pm me if you're interested.

Well since no one have any nem yet nor even know when it will be released that's kinda strange...

[Simakki]

GTFO with ur buy and sale chat!

There is a a trade section in [Suspicious link removed]o Please leave this topic.

[Fatih87SK]

GTFO with ur buy and sale chat!

There is a a trade section in [Suspicious link removed]o Please leave this topic.

Changed my offer again: I'm looking to make a bulk purchase of 69 NEM stakes for 420 BTC.

Ignore him. He is playing with us.

[TauMuon]

This thread is certainly never short of drama! Haha!

[erkki12]

http://mag.newsweek.com/2014/03/14/bitcoin-satoshi-nakamoto.html


Wow

 

[Ged]

I think there is nothing bad people offer money for NEM stakes, it's "crypto-gold-rush" time, nothing we can do with it.
NXT,NEM, other coins - are alpha/beta versions, when we get something REALLY usefull, something REALLY stable and POWERFUL, something PERFECT, something that you CAN NOT EXCHANGE to USD or BTC, new crypto-currency era (i think it will be in 5 years).. Now it IS time to create and sell , crypto-currency marketing, cryptos are 'eating' fiat money, they are doing great job ! when all USD converts to 'sexcoin dogecoin saturncoin' etc, some time after 'XXXcoins' converts back to BTC/, and it will really rise 10000USD/1 BTC, because bread will cost 10 USD, it's time to understand that USA not the CENTER OF OUR PLANET.
History makes spiral moves, next Capital of Earth is not what we are expecting for..

[banders]

If NEM is ever ported to C, these $20 boards can be used for forging/securing the NEM network.

EK-TM4C1294XL Tiva C Series TM4C1294 Connected LaunchPad
http://www.ti.com/tool/EK-TM4C1294XL

http://www.ti.com/diagrams/med_ek-tm4c1294xl_clp-top-no-shadow-low_res.jpg

[j23a]

If NEM is ever ported to C, these $20 boards can be used for forging/securing the NEM network.

EK-TM4C1294XL Tiva C Series TM4C1294 Connected LaunchPad
http://www.ti.com/tool/EK-TM4C1294XL

This is pretty cool, for just $20.

[rocker10]

In addition to having bounties, what about a NEM lottery and a NEM scholarship?

Here are two ideas for the NEM marketing department:

Reclaim one of the refunded stakes and use it for a giveaway.
The purpose of the NEM lottery is to attract new users to NEM and will last for 1 year.
For all who join our NEM Facebook page, they will be entered into a lottery. Each week 25,000 NEM will be given away.
1.3M/25K = 52 contests.

Reclaim one of the refunded stakes and use it to start a scholarship. Later, donations would help sustain it.
We could give out several scholarships a year. 1.3 million NEM would provide a new scholarship of about 10,000 NEM
each month for the next 10 years. The applications or essays can be judged once voting is implemented.

[nemabcd]

In addition to having bounties, what about a NEM lottery and a NEM scholarship?

Here are two ideas for the NEM marketing department:

Reclaim one of the refunded stakes and use it for a giveaway.
The purpose of the NEM lottery is to attract new users to NEM and will last for 1 year.
For all who join our NEM Facebook page, they will be entered into a lottery. Each week 25,000 NEM will be given away.
1.3M/25K = 52 contests.

Reclaim one of the refunded stakes and use it to start a scholarship. Later, donations would help sustain it.
We could give out several scholarships a year. 1.3 million NEM would provide a new scholarship of about 10,000 NEM
each month for the next 10 years. The applications or essays can be judged once voting is implemented.

That's a very good idea!

[jackylee]

I hope NEM can be extended to Chinese.  Is it right? April to launch equity?

[pt]

In addition to having bounties, what about a NEM lottery and a NEM scholarship?

Here are two ideas for the NEM marketing department:

Reclaim one of the refunded stakes and use it for a giveaway.
The purpose of the NEM lottery is to attract new users to NEM and will last for 1 year.
For all who join our NEM Facebook page, they will be entered into a lottery. Each week 25,000 NEM will be given away.
1.3M/25K = 52 contests.

Reclaim one of the refunded stakes and use it to start a scholarship. Later, donations would help sustain it.
We could give out several scholarships a year. 1.3 million NEM would provide a new scholarship of about 10,000 NEM
each month for the next 10 years. The applications or essays can be judged once voting is implemented.

Fantastic Idea!

[DaFockBro]

**Breaking News** It turns out utopianfuture's real name is Utopian Future

[makoto1337]

**Breaking News** It turns out utopianfuture's real name is Utopian Future

I think UP is busy running away from reporters as we speak.

[makoto1337]

With the sudden success of Aurora (even it if is a bubble), it is apparent that crypto needs to have an impact in the physical world.

From this, one idea is to donate NEM to start a cooperative village where people use NEM in their daily lives. This should be a remote area that is self-sufficient. Even if there is not internet access, we might be able to set up satellite internet infrastructure. I think that would be an amazing demonstration of how crypto could be used anywhere for secure, decentralized transfer of money.

Another thing to keep in mind is that we wouldn't want to interfere with the local culture of the area. I envision setting up some NEM access points (places with internet) and then people can go use those, with minimal interference into their language and culture.

The question is, where could we do such a thing? It should take a lot of time and dedication from people working locally in an area.

Some ideas are:

1) Bhutan. I think I have seen users from Bhutan on bitcointalk. We could set up solar satellite internet access in some remote village and have everyone in the village conduct transactions in NEM using iPads or something similar. There are some villages that are quite a few days walking from any large city and people are mostly self-sufficient. We would need to have someone local there to run things.

2) Japan. With so many people moving to big cities, there are places in the countryside that are extremely secluded and people grow their own food and make a lot of things themselves. Even in the countryside, though, there is ample electricity and cellular infrastructure, so people would be able to access a P2P network. Also, the government here does not consider crypto to be money and it is currently not regulated.

3) Ukraine. I know people that I definitely trust in western Ukraine near Poland (Lviv). There are some small villages in the Carpathian mountains that are fairly secluded from outside influence. The people I know in Lviv would probably be willing to help or maybe run this full time for us if we provided the resources.

These are some ideas, but as a community, it would be great if people could come up with ideas on how to establish a NEM co-operative. If done right, NEM could make all the major news networks and generate some great publicity. The more important thing, though, would be that we could help real people improve their lives, while respecting their culture (for example, people in a remote village could sell goods online using NEM).

Mokoto I guess u are referring to me . Ok I like your idea, I thought about it and it looks very hard to implement. I have asked my friend (Tsel_bt) who works for the Ministry of trade and industry to see if something like this could be done. He is in-charge of setting small cottage industries in villages like the ones you mentioned.

First of all, almost all farmers in Bhutan are illiterate or only semi-literate, ipads are sadly a luxury for most folks in Bhutan,they cannot afford it. The currency is highly regulated by the central bank and any alternative payment system must be approved by them. Lastly it would be an almost impossible transition for people who have never used the internet to overnight shift to using cryptocurrency as a payment mechanism.

That said, its still a good idea, I will get in contact with friends in the RMA( central bank) to see if it would be allowed. If we can get their approval we can proceed further.

Sounds great.

I think if we could do something like this, we would set up all the infrastructure based on donations from the community and charity donations from the genesis block. Doing this with people who have never used the internet before would be ideal I think, because it would force us to make a simple interface on top of NEM.

Another point I want to stress is that it would be great to do this in a way that is complementary and not disruptive to culture. Therefore, I don't think the government needs to worry too much. In remote areas, I think having a crypto-based payment system would be preferred in rural areas like that, because people could have access to their money when traveling and wouldn't have to travel with lots of cash.

The idea is to get crypto out into the real world and try to make a difference without changing local cultures.

There's a recently published report  http://www.franceculture.fr/emission-le-magazine-de-la-redaction-monnaie-locale-monnaie-a-taille-humaine-2014-02-21 regarding two 'local money' projects based on LETS (Local Exchange Trading Systems) principles: one in the Basque country and one about to be launched in Montreuil (Northern France). A key aspect of the Basque Country local money is that it is seen as helping to strengthen the Basque culture (including its language).

Seems to me that NEM could play a similar role for the many regions around the world which have a LETS system in place and which want to retain/strengthen their identity/culture. NEM could also overcome a problem with all local money schemes, one which can hinder their widespread adoption in the particular region - they aren't convertible (either easily or at all) into the country's main fiat currency.

I made a similar post in the NXT discussion thread a week or so ago following a reference to LETS being a possible fit with NXT, but the subject hasn't been pursued any further since then so far as I'm aware.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg5319878#msg5319878

Here is more information on LETS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_exchange_trading_system

It's a good idea. Does anyone want to spearhead this?

[GHz1]

With the sudden success of Aurora (even it if is a bubble), it is apparent that crypto needs to have an impact in the physical world.

From this, one idea is to donate NEM to start a cooperative village where people use NEM in their daily lives. This should be a remote area that is self-sufficient. Even if there is not internet access, we might be able to set up satellite internet infrastructure. I think that would be an amazing demonstration of how crypto could be used anywhere for secure, decentralized transfer of money.

Another thing to keep in mind is that we wouldn't want to interfere with the local culture of the area. I envision setting up some NEM access points (places with internet) and then people can go use those, with minimal interference into their language and culture.

The question is, where could we do such a thing? It should take a lot of time and dedication from people working locally in an area.

Some ideas are:

1) Bhutan. I think I have seen users from Bhutan on bitcointalk. We could set up solar satellite internet access in some remote village and have everyone in the village conduct transactions in NEM using iPads or something similar. There are some villages that are quite a few days walking from any large city and people are mostly self-sufficient. We would need to have someone local there to run things.

2) Japan. With so many people moving to big cities, there are places in the countryside that are extremely secluded and people grow their own food and make a lot of things themselves. Even in the countryside, though, there is ample electricity and cellular infrastructure, so people would be able to access a P2P network. Also, the government here does not consider crypto to be money and it is currently not regulated.

3) Ukraine. I know people that I definitely trust in western Ukraine near Poland (Lviv). There are some small villages in the Carpathian mountains that are fairly secluded from outside influence. The people I know in Lviv would probably be willing to help or maybe run this full time for us if we provided the resources.

These are some ideas, but as a community, it would be great if people could come up with ideas on how to establish a NEM co-operative. If done right, NEM could make all the major news networks and generate some great publicity. The more important thing, though, would be that we could help real people improve their lives, while respecting their culture (for example, people in a remote village could sell goods online using NEM).

Mokoto I guess u are referring to me . Ok I like your idea, I thought about it and it looks very hard to implement. I have asked my friend (Tsel_bt) who works for the Ministry of trade and industry to see if something like this could be done. He is in-charge of setting small cottage industries in villages like the ones you mentioned.

First of all, almost all farmers in Bhutan are illiterate or only semi-literate, ipads are sadly a luxury for most folks in Bhutan,they cannot afford it. The currency is highly regulated by the central bank and any alternative payment system must be approved by them. Lastly it would be an almost impossible transition for people who have never used the internet to overnight shift to using cryptocurrency as a payment mechanism.

That said, its still a good idea, I will get in contact with friends in the RMA( central bank) to see if it would be allowed. If we can get their approval we can proceed further.

Sounds great.

I think if we could do something like this, we would set up all the infrastructure based on donations from the community and charity donations from the genesis block. Doing this with people who have never used the internet before would be ideal I think, because it would force us to make a simple interface on top of NEM.

Another point I want to stress is that it would be great to do this in a way that is complementary and not disruptive to culture. Therefore, I don't think the government needs to worry too much. In remote areas, I think having a crypto-based payment system would be preferred in rural areas like that, because people could have access to their money when traveling and wouldn't have to travel with lots of cash.

The idea is to get crypto out into the real world and try to make a difference without changing local cultures.

There's a recently published report  http://www.franceculture.fr/emission-le-magazine-de-la-redaction-monnaie-locale-monnaie-a-taille-humaine-2014-02-21 regarding two 'local money' projects based on LETS (Local Exchange Trading Systems) principles: one in the Basque country and one about to be launched in Montreuil (Northern France). A key aspect of the Basque Country local money is that it is seen as helping to strengthen the Basque culture (including its language).

Seems to me that NEM could play a similar role for the many regions around the world which have a LETS system in place and which want to retain/strengthen their identity/culture. NEM could also overcome a problem with all local money schemes, one which can hinder their widespread adoption in the particular region - they aren't convertible (either easily or at all) into the country's main fiat currency.

I made a similar post in the NXT discussion thread a week or so ago following a reference to LETS being a possible fit with NXT, but the subject hasn't been pursued any further since then so far as I'm aware.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg5319878#msg5319878

Here is more information on LETS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_exchange_trading_system

It's a good idea. Does anyone want to spearhead this?

A mutually beneficial project that NEM should be a part of.

"The Outernet project seeks to bring free internet to whole world.

The New York City-based non-profit organization Media Development Investment Fund (MDIF) is building a global network of cube satellites to freely broadcast Internet data around the world. Dubbed Outernet, the project is founded on the principle that Internet access is a basic human right, not a privilege to be purchased.

MDIF seeks to accomplish its goal by harnessing datacasting technology over a low-cost satellite constellation, allowing transmissions to bypass censorship, ensure privacy, and offer a globally-accessible information service, similar to shortwave radio. This inevitably reduces reliance on costly internet services, the greatest factor deterring 40% of the world's population from accessing the Internet, more so than even restrictive governments."

http://www.Outernet.is

http://www.electronicproducts.com/Computer_Systems/Standalone_Mobile/The_Outernet_project_seeks_to_bring_free_internet_to_whole_world.aspx

http://www.electronicproducts.com/uploadedImages/Computer_Systems/Standalone_Mobile/Outernet_2.jpg

[Fatih87SK]

In addition to having bounties, what about a NEM lottery and a NEM scholarship?

Here are two ideas for the NEM marketing department:

Reclaim one of the refunded stakes and use it for a giveaway.
The purpose of the NEM lottery is to attract new users to NEM and will last for 1 year.
For all who join our NEM Facebook page, they will be entered into a lottery. Each week 25,000 NEM will be given away.
1.3M/25K = 52 contests.

Reclaim one of the refunded stakes and use it to start a scholarship. Later, donations would help sustain it.
We could give out several scholarships a year. 1.3 million NEM would provide a new scholarship of about 10,000 NEM
each month for the next 10 years. The applications or essays can be judged once voting is implemented.

Fantastic Idea!

+1

[KingCole]

what is the next step of NEM?  any actual action?

Have you checked the first page? At the moment the stakeholder list is being publically audited and the development team are doing developer type stuff  You might want to have a look at the Trello page as well https://trello.com/b/GEWEPSZJ/nem-promotion

KC

[erkki12]

In addition to having bounties, what about a NEM lottery and a NEM scholarship?

Here are two ideas for the NEM marketing department:

Reclaim one of the refunded stakes and use it for a giveaway.
The purpose of the NEM lottery is to attract new users to NEM and will last for 1 year.
For all who join our NEM Facebook page, they will be entered into a lottery. Each week 25,000 NEM will be given away.
1.3M/25K = 52 contests.

Reclaim one of the refunded stakes and use it to start a scholarship. Later, donations would help sustain it.
We could give out several scholarships a year. 1.3 million NEM would provide a new scholarship of about 10,000 NEM
each month for the next 10 years. The applications or essays can be judged once voting is implemented.

+1

A mutually beneficial project that NEM should be a part of.

"The Outernet project seeks to bring free internet to whole world.

The New York City-based non-profit organization Media Development Investment Fund (MDIF) is building a global network of cube satellites to freely broadcast Internet data around the world. Dubbed Outernet, the project is founded on the principle that Internet access is a basic human right, not a privilege to be purchased.

MDIF seeks to accomplish its goal by harnessing datacasting technology over a low-cost satellite constellation, allowing transmissions to bypass censorship, ensure privacy, and offer a globally-accessible information service, similar to shortwave radio. This inevitably reduces reliance on costly internet services, the greatest factor deterring 40% of the world's population from accessing the Internet, more so than even restrictive governments."

http://www.Outernet.is

http://www.electronicproducts.com/Computer_Systems/Standalone_Mobile/The_Outernet_project_seeks_to_bring_free_internet_to_whole_world.aspx

+1

Both these ideas are very good! Guys please join the trello promotion board by asking utopian to add you. Your contribution could be used there! https://trello.com/b/GEWEPSZJ/nem-promotion