[CLOSED] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+NMC, Stratum, VarDiff, Private Servers

[slush]

I had a discussion on this topic few days ago already. I'm considering that this would need special chapter in the Stratum document. I'll try to sumarize it shortly:

Doesn't matter if you have 1x 1000 GHash/s rig or 1000x 1GHash rigs. What counts is total hashrate per user, because it defines expected return from his bitcoin mining. There's really no reason why one user should flood the pool server by tens of submits per second, because one share per few second is definitely enough as a proof of work. Of course you'll be accounted many-times for higher-difficulty solution, so you don't lose anything by mining on slightly higher difficulty.

Changing difficulty changes only variance in a mining income. But as far as the rig can produce a share every few seconds, the change in the variance is really neglible. So readjusting difficulty is very powerful tool in hands of the pool operator to manage server load, reasonably managed per-connection difficulty has almost no effect on payout variance and has absolutely no effect on expected payout.

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[slush]

Eleuthria, I'm sorry for hijacking your thread. I'll try to minimize it for the future.

[eleuthria]

Eleuthria, I'm sorry for hijacking your thread. I'll try to minimize it for the future.

No problem .  Never a bad thing to have cross pollination in the pool threads as long as it's constructive.  Just to add:  The benefit of higher difficulty is not JUST for the pool, it also reduces the upstream bandwidth used by your miners, since they will be submitting fewer shares.  Diff=2, a very small jump, cuts your upstream bandwidth in half when using Stratum-based pools.

[AndrewBUD]

Is using Stratum for GPU's ? I see you're paying more if you use stratum.... Would I see a loss if I switched over?

[eleuthria]

Is using Stratum for GPU's ? I see you're paying more if you use stratum.... Would I see a loss if I switched over?

During testing, you will make MORE on Stratum, as long as you have a backup pool setup on your miners (you could have your backup be the normal BTC Guild pool).

Stratum is for all miners.  It is more efficient in every way than the current mining protocols.

I'm paying more during beta (0% fee) just because there is the chance at big downtime during testing, so you should always have a backup pool specified.  So far there has been no downtime, and about 6 restarts in the past 3 days (restarts normally last less than a second).

[meebs]

eleuthria... what is the expected fee % after the testing period for stratum? Hopefully its somewhat lower since we won't be using as much of the server resources.

[AndrewBUD]

Is using Stratum for GPU's ? I see you're paying more if you use stratum.... Would I see a loss if I switched over?

During testing, you will make MORE on Stratum, as long as you have a backup pool setup on your miners (you could have your backup be the normal BTC Guild pool).

Stratum is for all miners.  It is more efficient in every way than the current mining protocols.

I'm paying more during beta (0% fee) just because there is the chance at big downtime during testing, so you should always have a backup pool specified.  So far there has been no downtime, and about 6 restarts in the past 3 days (restarts normally last less than a second).

Okay thanks.. I am going to figure this thing out

[BitMinerN8]

One of my rigs has 6 BFL's running bfgminer 2.7.5, I show an average of 4.938 Gh/s after running for over a day or so. On the Stratum Beta Pool I'm only showing around 3.422 Gh/s. It's been running all day like that, even after the server restarts. Just wondering if that's any cause for concern or just a cosmetic thing on the stats?

[eleuthria]

One of my rigs has 6 BFL's running bfgminer 2.7.5, I show an average of 4.938 Gh/s after running for over a day or so. On the Stratum Beta Pool I'm only showing around 3.422 Gh/s. It's been running all day like that, even after the server restarts. Just wondering if that's any cause for concern or just a cosmetic thing on the stats?

That sounds like something else is wrong.  Speed estimates on fast miners should be very accurate.  Sent you a PM asking for username so I can take a closer look.

[Joshwaa]

I am noticing almost a perfect match on the pool and what the miners actually do. I have also noticed that I am waiting for work a lot less, and submitting more shares per hour. (Yea I calculate that rather than go on MHash/s numbers.)  Keep up the good work.  Also big thanks to Slush for stratum and all his hard work!!!

[monstrs]

I am noticing almost a perfect match on the pool and what the miners actually do. I have also noticed that I am waiting for work a lot less, and submitting more shares per hour. (Yea I calculate that rather than go on MHash/s numbers.)  Keep up the good work.  Also big thanks to Slush for stratum and all his hard work!!!

Agree to this. But have one problkem. Time from time it stops wotrking, without stratum i had not htat problem. It jut writes that work is not provided fast enaugh and cant switch to backup pool. Any ideas? using 2.7.5 miner

[eleuthria]

I am noticing almost a perfect match on the pool and what the miners actually do. I have also noticed that I am waiting for work a lot less, and submitting more shares per hour. (Yea I calculate that rather than go on MHash/s numbers.)  Keep up the good work.  Also big thanks to Slush for stratum and all his hard work!!!

Agree to this. But have one problkem. Time from time it stops wotrking, without stratum i had not htat problem. It jut writes that work is not provided fast enaugh and cant switch to backup pool. Any ideas? using 2.7.5 miner

Is the proxy running on the same machine you're mining with?  What type of CPU do you have?  You should not see 'work is not provided fast enough' with the proxy unless the server is being restarted.

[monstrs]

I am noticing almost a perfect match on the pool and what the miners actually do. I have also noticed that I am waiting for work a lot less, and submitting more shares per hour. (Yea I calculate that rather than go on MHash/s numbers.)  Keep up the good work.  Also big thanks to Slush for stratum and all his hard work!!!

Agree to this. But have one problkem. Time from time it stops wotrking, without stratum i had not htat problem. It jut writes that work is not provided fast enaugh and cant switch to backup pool. Any ideas? using 2.7.5 miner

Is the proxy running on the same machine you're mining with?  What type of CPU do you have?  You should not see 'work is not provided fast enough' with the proxy unless the server is being restarted.

Proxy i running on another machine, where is mining another two cards with no problems at all, got problems only on this machine. CPU-2500K, what was the last time proxy was restarted? Last time it hang was ~ 7,5 hours ago.

[eleuthria]

I am noticing almost a perfect match on the pool and what the miners actually do. I have also noticed that I am waiting for work a lot less, and submitting more shares per hour. (Yea I calculate that rather than go on MHash/s numbers.)  Keep up the good work.  Also big thanks to Slush for stratum and all his hard work!!!

Agree to this. But have one problkem. Time from time it stops wotrking, without stratum i had not htat problem. It jut writes that work is not provided fast enaugh and cant switch to backup pool. Any ideas? using 2.7.5 miner

Is the proxy running on the same machine you're mining with?  What type of CPU do you have?  You should not see 'work is not provided fast enough' with the proxy unless the server is being restarted.

Proxy i running on another machine, where is mining another two cards with no problems at all, got problems only on this machine. CPU-2500K, what was the last time proxy was restarted? Last time it hang was ~ 7,5 hours ago.

That's roughly when the last restarts happened.  Let me know if you have any more of the 'not providing work fast enough' errors, I won't be doing any restarts for at least another 12 hours.

[monstrs]

I am noticing almost a perfect match on the pool and what the miners actually do. I have also noticed that I am waiting for work a lot less, and submitting more shares per hour. (Yea I calculate that rather than go on MHash/s numbers.)  Keep up the good work.  Also big thanks to Slush for stratum and all his hard work!!!

Agree to this. But have one problkem. Time from time it stops wotrking, without stratum i had not htat problem. It jut writes that work is not provided fast enaugh and cant switch to backup pool. Any ideas? using 2.7.5 miner

Is the proxy running on the same machine you're mining with?  What type of CPU do you have?  You should not see 'work is not provided fast enough' with the proxy unless the server is being restarted.

Proxy i running on another machine, where is mining another two cards with no problems at all, got problems only on this machine. CPU-2500K, what was the last time proxy was restarted? Last time it hang was ~ 7,5 hours ago.

That's roughly when the last restarts happened.  Let me know if you have any more of the 'not providing work fast enough' errors, I won't be doing any restarts for at least another 12 hours.

ok, will let you know if it happens again.

[meebs]

When should todays "payout" be expected?

[eleuthria]

When should todays "payout" be expected?

The first stratum beta "payout" will be in about 3 hours (~12:30 PM PDT).  It will be added to your main account balance, which will then be available for manual withdrawal, or caught up in the next automatic payout.

[eleuthria]

I've fixed a bug on the stats for the Stratum Beta pool.  The speed averaging for workers was running incorrectly.  Rather than using a 10 minute window, it was using a window that extended to the start of testing.  If it found a gap of more than 10 minutes in your stats, it would reset the counter.

The bug has been fixed, and it will now properly use a 10-minute average regardless of how long you've been using it.  This should fix the strange speeds some users were seeing.

[BitMinerN8]

I've fixed a bug on the stats for the Stratum Beta pool.  The speed averaging for workers was running incorrectly.  Rather than using a 10 minute window, it was using a window that extended to the start of testing.  If it found a gap of more than 10 minutes in your stats, it would reset the counter.

The bug has been fixed, and it will now properly use a 10-minute average regardless of how long you've been using it.  This should fix the strange speeds some users were seeing.

Thanks. I have noticed that it is now much more accurate. (Local miner stats vs. pool stats)

[eleuthria]

The first payment for Stratum Beta pool has been calculated and recorded.  Adding the information to your current rewards so you can have the balance available for withdrawal.  I changed the method of recording from a negative payout (pretty ugly and screws up your Earnings History), to a special line on Earnings History (similar to how balances from the old proportional pool carried over).

It should be appearing on your accounts within the next few minutes.