【BOT】 🌟 C.A.T. Cryptocurrency Automatic Trader 🌟 (New Price List 04/2021)

[Sampey]

I cannot seem to get bittrex to work.  I generated my API keys, go back into the CAT and every time I attempt to login I get a User Not Found message... anyone else having this issue with Bittrex?

Trex is working fine for me - did you enable trading on the API key and follow 2FA/verification procedures whilst setting it up?

Yes, I've used it in the past.  I even generated my keys again just to be sure...

that's the problem, you must not change your API key. CAT works only with the API you activated in the past.
It's clearly written in the Term Of Service "Do not change your APi key" 

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[wbullockiii]

shit the reason I changed it was because I had to rebuild my machine and I lost my info for the old key...

[wbullockiii]

I cannot seem to get bittrex to work.  I generated my API keys, go back into the CAT and every time I attempt to login I get a User Not Found message... anyone else having this issue with Bittrex?

Trex is working fine for me - did you enable trading on the API key and follow 2FA/verification procedures whilst setting it up?

Yes, I've used it in the past.  I even generated my keys again just to be sure...

that's the problem, you must not change your API key. CAT works only with the API you activated in the past.
It's clearly written in the Term Of Service "Do not change your APi key" 

Can i resend my new key?  I apologize for my stupid mistake... ;-(

[aesma]

I'm trading on Kraken and from the orders I see, I'm fighting against bots, so I guess I will need one myself. I will spend some time reading and looking before spending 0.23BTC though.

What you have to understand before make the investment is if the bot fit your way to trade...i suggest to read FAQ more and more time 
For the rest i bought my copy and after first doubt Sampey perfectly drived me to the right way to use the bot.

Yes I'm doing the reading, it's complicated.

What I'm seeing when manually trading is orders with prices like 1925.478€ that is just 0.001 more or less than my order, so I get screwed. From what I'm seeing CAT (and other bots) are making such orders.

[aesma]

Different exchanges have now very different exchange rates. Is there a plan for arbitrary trading?

The different rates are caused by the difficulty and cost to actually transfer money to/from some of the exchanges, so how are you going to arbitrage that ?

it will be a "user parameter" you can add.
If you know that withdraw from exchange X costs 2%
And you want a net gain of 1%, your parameter will be 1% + 2 % + Order Fee (0.25%?) = 3,25%

And CAT will works with 3,25% Gain

Interesting. You would need to add the transaction fee too, and maybe bank transfer fee, as to complete the arbitrage you would need to transfer funds. Maybe margin trading fees too.

For example I start with 2000€ on exchange A, 2000€ on exchange B.

1BTC = 1800€ on exchange A, 1900€ on exchange B.

If I want to profit, I must buy on exchange A, and sell at the same time on exchange B. Then I must hurry to transfer the 1BTC to exchange B to cover the sell. Then I must hurry to send more money to exchange A to do it again.

What are your thoughts ?

Considering current BTC fees and transaction times, it seems like a difficult proposition.

Maybe with altcoins...

[starmman]

Different exchanges have now very different exchange rates. Is there a plan for arbitrary trading?

The different rates are caused by the difficulty and cost to actually transfer money to/from some of the exchanges, so how are you going to arbitrage that ?

it will be a "user parameter" you can add.
If you know that withdraw from exchange X costs 2%
And you want a net gain of 1%, your parameter will be 1% + 2 % + Order Fee (0.25%?) = 3,25%

And CAT will works with 3,25% Gain

Interesting. You would need to add the transaction fee too, and maybe bank transfer fee, as to complete the arbitrage you would need to transfer funds. Maybe margin trading fees too.

For example I start with 2000€ on exchange A, 2000€ on exchange B.

1BTC = 1800€ on exchange A, 1900€ on exchange B.

If I want to profit, I must buy on exchange A, and sell at the same time on exchange B. Then I must hurry to transfer the 1BTC to exchange B to cover the sell. Then I must hurry to send more money to exchange A to do it again.

What are your thoughts ?

Considering current BTC fees and transaction times, it seems like a difficult proposition.

Maybe with altcoins...

Arbitrage with BTC is purely for the whales these days with the transaction fees being so high. I sometimes run arbitrage with some smaller coins - but prefer range trading myself

[nhducminh]

I want to resell my C.A.T
how to trade

[Sampey]

I want to resell my C.A.T
how to trade

Hi, you can create a topic in marketplace section.
Thanks.

[starmman]

Hi Sampey

Just wondering, CAT is really good at combing orders - but can it also split orders? for example, only sell X number of coins at a price, if that threshold is reached then sell the next X coins at n% higher?

you can put limit on the QTY Creation from the buy/sell pool options.

and you can also set a price limit (with adequate options) like "Never sell under your last ping price + %"

try this way

Hi Sampey,

I've been playing around with the settings - and have managed to get my orders split (say 2 units per order), but I tend to end up with all orders set to the same price, for example 10 orders of 2 units all at price 0.00200000. Is there a way I can get cat to (dynamically) organise these orders into different prices changed by a percentage or fixed amount

e.g.

Order Id	Current Values in CAT	Desired Values in CAT
1	PING BUY 2@0.00200000 (Dynamic)	PING BUY 2@0.00200000 (Dynamic)
2	PING BUY 2@0.00200000 (Dynamic)	PING BUY 2@0.00190000 (Dynamic)
3	PING BUY 2@0.00200000 (Dynamic)	PING BUY 2@0.00180000 (Dynamic)

I can do this with static values fine - but would like the pool to set this up on its own based on market conditions, is this possible?
Thanks =)

EDIT: I have the following rules

Code:

- PriceLimit Rules -
 Price Limit Rule : PING-PONG LIMIT (Adequate:true) - Never BUY OVER Your Last SELL Price - 2%
 Price Limit Rule : PING-PONG LIMIT (Adequate:true) - Never SELL UNDER Your Last BUY Price + 2%

- Buy/Sell Pool Parameters -
 Never Create Ping with XXX Qty > 2.00000000
 Never Create Ping with XXX Qty < 0.50000000

[Nomadz]

Ok, the bot itself looks cool. But guys - do you have an appropriate strategy which can be used with this bot?

Hi,
I have been discussing this exact thing with Sampey and I am in the process of setting up a separate website/forum at http://cryptowalk.com/ to hopefully discuss CAT strategies, trading plans, trading results etc with other CAT users.

The intent is to allow public and private listings and allow users to choose whether to keep their content to themselves or share within the public forum area for us all to view and contribute as well as discuss how we can use new features in our trading plans to improve on already great results. (assume we all have trading plans right?

I still need to Announce/encourage participation from other CAT users but the site is setup enough to start using it if that will help sharing this type of information.

Happy to share my progress and feedback on CAT so far but i am sure their are lifetime users online that can contribute more.

Regards Steve

[Sampey]

Hi Sampey

Just wondering, CAT is really good at combing orders - but can it also split orders? for example, only sell X number of coins at a price, if that threshold is reached then sell the next X coins at n% higher?

you can put limit on the QTY Creation from the buy/sell pool options.

and you can also set a price limit (with adequate options) like "Never sell under your last ping price + %"

try this way

Hi Sampey,

I've been playing around with the settings - and have managed to get my orders split (say 2 units per order), but I tend to end up with all orders set to the same price, for example 10 orders of 2 units all at price 0.00200000. Is there a way I can get cat to (dynamically) organise these orders into different prices changed by a percentage or fixed amount

e.g.

Order Id	Current Values in CAT	Desired Values in CAT
1	PING BUY 2@0.00200000 (Dynamic)	PING BUY 2@0.00200000 (Dynamic)
2	PING BUY 2@0.00200000 (Dynamic)	PING BUY 2@0.00190000 (Dynamic)
3	PING BUY 2@0.00200000 (Dynamic)	PING BUY 2@0.00180000 (Dynamic)

I can do this with static values fine - but would like the pool to set this up on its own based on market conditions, is this possible?
Thanks =)

EDIT: I have the following rules

Code:

- PriceLimit Rules -
 Price Limit Rule : PING-PONG LIMIT (Adequate:true) - Never BUY OVER Your Last SELL Price - 2%
 Price Limit Rule : PING-PONG LIMIT (Adequate:true) - Never SELL UNDER Your Last BUY Price + 2%

- Buy/Sell Pool Parameters -
 Never Create Ping with XXX Qty > 2.00000000
 Never Create Ping with XXX Qty < 0.50000000

i think the easier solution is to run more than 1 algorithm on the same market.
On any algorithm you will set different price limits/conditions.

[starmman]

Ok, the bot itself looks cool. But guys - do you have an appropriate strategy which can be used with this bot?

Hi,
I have been discussing this exact thing with Sampey and I am in the process of setting up a separate website/forum at http://cryptowalk.com/ to hopefully discuss CAT strategies, trading plans, trading results etc with other CAT users.

The intent is to allow public and private listings and allow users to choose whether to keep their content to themselves or share within the public forum area for us all to view and contribute as well as discuss how we can use new features in our trading plans to improve on already great results. (assume we all have trading plans right?

I still need to Announce/encourage participation from other CAT users but the site is setup enough to start using it if that will help sharing this type of information.

Happy to share my progress and feedback on CAT so far but i am sure their are lifetime users online that can contribute more.

Regards Steve

Sounds great - I'll certainly help out once I've work out what I'm doing =) still very much learning what CAT can and can't do

[starmman]

Hi Sampey,

I've been playing around with the settings - and have managed to get my orders split (say 2 units per order), but I tend to end up with all orders set to the same price, for example 10 orders of 2 units all at price 0.00200000. Is there a way I can get cat to (dynamically) organise these orders into different prices changed by a percentage or fixed amount

e.g.

Order Id	Current Values in CAT	Desired Values in CAT
1	PING BUY 2@0.00200000 (Dynamic)	PING BUY 2@0.00200000 (Dynamic)
2	PING BUY 2@0.00200000 (Dynamic)	PING BUY 2@0.00190000 (Dynamic)
3	PING BUY 2@0.00200000 (Dynamic)	PING BUY 2@0.00180000 (Dynamic)

I can do this with static values fine - but would like the pool to set this up on its own based on market conditions, is this possible?
Thanks =)

EDIT: I have the following rules

Code:

- PriceLimit Rules -
 Price Limit Rule : PING-PONG LIMIT (Adequate:true) - Never BUY OVER Your Last SELL Price - 2%
 Price Limit Rule : PING-PONG LIMIT (Adequate:true) - Never SELL UNDER Your Last BUY Price + 2%

- Buy/Sell Pool Parameters -
 Never Create Ping with XXX Qty > 2.00000000
 Never Create Ping with XXX Qty < 0.50000000

i think the easier solution is to run more than 1 algorithm on the same market.
On any algorithm you will set different price limits/conditions.

So you suggest to run one instance per trade? Seems like a lot of setup overhead. I was hoping somehow I could set the pool up so that there were somehow some staggered orders,  but everything I try seems to eventually clump them back together at the same price again - and the only way to fix it is to change the orders back to static.

[nhducminh]

I want to resell my C.A.T
how to trade

Hi, you can create a topic in marketplace section.
Thanks.

i sale C.A.T for someone then PM you for API public key change  ?

[Sampey]

I want to resell my C.A.T
how to trade

Hi, you can create a topic in marketplace section.
Thanks.

i sale C.A.T for someone then PM you for API public key change  ?

yes, exactly.

[ilvetz82]

Hi Sampey.
I was looking at price limit feature and I have a few questions.
Does an "adequate" limit rule supersedes a "vanilla" limit rule (are the rules processed as AND or as OR)?
Last: is the rule sequence important for an order to be created?
Thank you so much.

[Sampey]

Hi Sampey.
I was looking at price limit feature and I have a few questions.
Does an "adequate" limit rule supersedes a "vanilla" limit rule (are the rules processed as AND or as OR)?
Last: is the rule sequence important for an order to be created?
Thank you so much.

about limits :

If A Rule is matched
A - If Adequate is TRUE then price is set to the limit and limit algorithm end
B - If Adequate is FALSE order recalculation/calculation is aborted.

So it's an OR check and when first limit is matched algorithm ends.

So, probably sequence in your case is important.

[ilvetz82]

Hi Sampey.
Just a question on "pong stop loss".

Does BUY ALL rules only be evaluated on PONG BUY orders (and the SELL ALL for PONG SELL orders)? Or the rule is evaluated both for pong buy and sell?

Thank you. I really appreciate your support.

[Sampey]

Hi Sampey.
Just a question on "pong stop loss".

Does BUY ALL rules only be evaluated on PONG BUY orders (and the SELL ALL for PONG SELL orders)? Or the rule is evaluated both for pong buy and sell?

Thank you. I really appreciate your support.

yes, stop loss type it's about a precise order type
Sell ALL For sell Orders
Buy ALL for Buy Orders

[Sampey]

Added this info in "TIPS & TRICKS SECTION"

Why sometimes i run out of money while i started with enough balance?

Any exchange have rules like : decimal numbers for Price/Qty, Min Qty, Min Total Order (Qty x Price).
These constraints create problems : you can't create micro orders or you can't create a PONG starting from a micro trade.
Then you have 3 choise :
- let CAT Round these values to reach the min amount (round is made over qty)
- deny any rounding routine (micro trades & partially filled orders with micro qty will remain frozen)
- use DUST Options (to discard trades/partially filled orders).

You can also combine these options : you can discard micro partially filled orders and adequate trades.

So how this impact on my balance?
Let's make 2 example, on BTC/LTC Market

Example 1 :

My Balance is 1 BTC, 0 LTC on start
- I Create 1 PING BUY 100@Y
- A micro trade occurs BUY 0.1@Y
- Exchange wants at least 1 unit as QTY
- C.A.T. try to create SELL 0.1@Y+% but this is not possible
  - CASE A : Adequate is TRUE -> 0.1 is adequate to 1 and SELL ORDER IS SELL 1@Y+%
  - CASE B : Adequate is FALSE -> TRADE IS FROZEN FOREVER
 
BUT in case A you will have another error : NO LTC Available, in fact the 0.9 LTC needed for roudings from 0.1 to 1

Example 2 : (Very uncommon, but useful to explain)

- You have an active order on MarketA and a Trade On MarketB.
- The sum of order + trade represent 100% Of Your Balance.
- NO Adequate option is set and Trade On MarketB doesn't have ADEQUATE Option active
- Trade is Frozen and No Pong is Possible.
- Order is Recalculated on MarketA
- C.A.T. Delete the order befor recreation
- Balance returns available between delete and create routine
- During that moment CAT is able to create the PONG Order on MarketB (adequate is false, but balance is available)
- C.A.T. is not able to recreate the PING On marketA because balance was used by PONG Creation on MarketB

Suggestions :
- Take a look at adequate options and understand how it works this precise options group
- The adequate option for "PING Creation from pool" is more risky than other adequate options.
- Avoid to trade with 100% of your balance (there are options to consider for example 80% of your full balance)
- Before start trading on <Partner>/<Currency> market it could be a good idea to have non 0 Balance in one of the 2 sides
- Use DUST Options
- Deal with the fact that sometimes a frozen situation could happens : you can delete order/trades manually or create a new order.