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February 09, 2019, 09:27:36 AM
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Oh, how I love Meta… Reading through the last few pages warms my heart.

All I see is fukem! They’re good for nothing trolls. They don’t matter, none of them will ever make it to DT, and even if they did, bla bla and so forth. But I smell your fear. The fact that you’re all here, discussing a bunch of inconsequential no gooders in depth, shows we’re unto something.

It is worth noting that when this “movement” started it was one man’s idea. It has so far ballooned to 20 or so accounts in 9 days. And this is a thread buried deep in the reputation sub, where only a small number of users on this forum visit.

The initial reactions were hilarious; threads popped everywhere demanding bans and blacklists. Lol! When that failed, the tune changed to oh don’t worry; they will never achieve the required merit threshold to get into DT.

The best lesson I’ve learnt in my very short life is to never say never.

A few weeks ago Lauda’s ratings were worthless and last week Ognasty wasn’t on DT. Some of the newbie DT’s running around making definitive statements about how it will never happen, had no idea theymos would move things around.

Who is to say that theymos, after smoking some crack sometime in the near future, wouldn’t change things again? The simple truth is that bitcointak is subject to on man’s whims, but then I digress….

As long as certain people on DT keep abusing their powers, change is nigh. Resist it all you want, wish it away, but it will happen.

It may not happen now and maybe not through us. I honestly don’t expect this “movement” to succeed. Nonetheless, I signed up to make my voice heard because there is strength in numbers. As individuals, none of us could have made enough noise to be heard as we are now.

They said Trump would never win the presidency
They said brexit would never happen
Leicester was 5000/1 to win the premier league
Serena Williams crashed out from the 2019 Aussie open after going 5-1 up in the third set. But we were told none of these would happen. Impossible!

These are all recent modern examples, and as you can tell, I am a betting man. And I will gladly wager that, the current state of affairs regarding DT on this forum won’t remain the same for long if things don’t improve soon.

I’ll leave you all to your pillow talk. Thanks for having me.


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the response to my thread has been outstanding
it has been the center of attention on meta and reputation boards and elicited a response from theymos


"""20 or so""" was a week ago
surely are more now and grow every day
thread will be added to lists of historic threads and live on for eternity
if we win us early adopters will be heroes


will you wear a signature pointing to the thread if i make one for you ?



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Buying ad space on BCT would be way more effectiv.
Cost would be arround 0.1 BTC and would get over 3 million views on this forum.Everyone everywhere will see it.

Theymos said he would approve this ad if it would be no direct attack to a single member

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February 09, 2019, 10:13:44 AM
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Many of the same one’s who distrust me. The asshole brigade.

i see you asshole and faggot tagged me without reason and with fake reference
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Many of the same one’s who distrust me. The asshole brigade.

i see you asshole and faggot tagged me without reason and with fake reference

I saw that loads of you have ~ me & I’ve only ever followed the rules & been a good part of the community here.
You are part of a dangerous group of shitposting spammers who are attempting to manipulate the DT list.

I therefore do not trust you & consider you as an untrustworthy member of the community, the same as all of your buddies over in that shitposting thread full of broken English, poor grammar & broken promises.

Your little plan (which won’t work) is detrimental to the community & forum as a whole. You’re literally distrusting some of the most successful scam busters on here. It’s ridiculous to be honest.





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February 09, 2019, 12:28:30 PM
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Many of the same one’s who distrust me. The asshole brigade.

i see you asshole and faggot tagged me without reason and with fake reference

I saw that loads of you have ~ me & I’ve only ever followed the rules & been a good part of the community here.
You are part of a dangerous group of shitposting spammers who are attempting to manipulate the DT list.

I therefore do not trust you & consider you as an untrustworthy member of the community, the same as all of your buddies over in that shitposting thread full of broken English, poor grammar & broken promises.

Your little plan (which won’t work) is detrimental to the community & forum as a whole. You’re literally distrusting some of the most successful scam busters on here. It’s ridiculous to be honest.



Is this your reason for giving him red trust?

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Many of the same one’s who distrust me. The asshole brigade.

i see you asshole and faggot tagged me without reason and with fake reference

I saw that loads of you have ~ me & I’ve only ever followed the rules & been a good part of the community here.
You are part of a dangerous group of shitposting spammers who are attempting to manipulate the DT list.

I therefore do not trust you & consider you as an untrustworthy member of the community, the same as all of your buddies over in that shitposting thread full of broken English, poor grammar & broken promises.

Your little plan (which won’t work) is detrimental to the community & forum as a whole. You’re literally distrusting some of the most successful scam busters on here. It’s ridiculous to be honest.


show me proofs where is my shitposting and spam?

yes i distrusting someone IMO they are scammers

i not use translator for speak but en is not my native lang.


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February 09, 2019, 02:24:29 PM
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So no one cares why they are doing this? They are just trolls so fuckem? Has anyone considered this is a symptom of other issues?
Pretty much no one cares about this except them, and I'd be willing to wager that all of those accounts are controlled by only a handful of actual people.  I smell extreme stinky sockpuppeteering in the breeze.  

Oh, wait.  There must be hundreds of other members who care deeply about the anti-DT agenda but who are too afraid of speaking up, lest they get tagged for voicing their contrarian opinions.  

The community is deciding on who gets into DT; everyone on that list plus a few others don't like "the community".  This has turned into an insane power-grab attempt by a bunch of extremely loud trolls, saying the same thing over and over.  If you don't like it, go with the even more centralized option of whining to Theymos to fix it.  

The hypocrisy is strong with this proven sock puppet racist trolling sig spammer the pharmacist aka Huge Black Woman.

Trolls? sock puppetting? you say these are negative things....... not that either of those can be proven of these persons you accuse and yet its proven of you mr DT and merit source. FACT

Also to JJG

Your argument seems completely foolish. Lauda is a proven liar, and trust abuser. The fact that you are attempting to cast those that want this recognised and the appropriate action taken in a negative light and suggest blacklisting them is ludicrous and actually makes you look untrustworthy. Best to remove proven liars once you are in full knowledge of their prior actions else of course it will reflect poorly upon your judgement and can only speculate that as persons spot this kind of behaviour you will get more exclusions. According to suchmoon those supporting "possible" scams can be given red trust so I would expect fans of his may reason those knowingly supporting proven liars and trust abusers on DT .... well you can see where that is going.

I don't feel that pointing out wrong doing and insisting those in positions of trust here recognise this and meet there responsibility to remove such wrong doers else they will therefore be viewed as non useful in such a position can be classed as blackmail. That is the unsound and messed up logic I have heard voiced here before by trust abusers.

Don't support proven liars into positions of trust then expect to be viewed as trustworthy.

Oppps I see to a proven sock puppet trolling sig spammer Sad some may consider that to be untrustworthy to support such a person on DT too . I can't really say. 


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I don't feel that pointing out wrong doing and insisting those in positions of trust here recognise this and meet there responsibility to remove such wrong doers else they will therefore be viewed as non useful in such a position can be classed as blackmail. That is the unsound and messed up logic I have heard voiced here before by trust abusers.

I doubt that I need to get into the weeds with you about all of your various points, because I consider some of those points to be matters way out of my control... and maybe directed at The Pharmacist rather than me.   

Part of my suggestion in my recent post(s) with the blacklisting suggestion issue comes from consideration that behavior of some members might cross such threshold based on a series of conduct, and certainly, I am not investigating into the matter and I would not have enough information to make a specific recommendation on any particular case.  Also, use of IP addresses to trace the use of sock puppet accounts could be something that admin would have too that could make a difference in some cases... 

You, cryptohunter, seem to suggest that the crusade against Lauda is righteous and just and carried out by innocent truth seekers (and corruption busters), but I just have so much difficulties with your whole premise when the thread in which they are propagandizing is so wild with the deletion of posts, that no sane person attempting to seek knowledge on the topic is able to follow it or even participate in it.  

Personally, I find such threads, and even such assertions of fair and just to be unwarranted, when participation is being deleted, so the thread just becomes a BIG ASS circle jerk propaganda piece no longer worthy of categorization of fair and just (presuming that it ever was).

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February 09, 2019, 05:30:37 PM
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I don't feel that pointing out wrong doing and insisting those in positions of trust here recognise this and meet there responsibility to remove such wrong doers else they will therefore be viewed as non useful in such a position can be classed as blackmail. That is the unsound and messed up logic I have heard voiced here before by trust abusers.

I doubt that I need to get into the weeds with you about all of your various points, because I consider some of those points to be matters way out of my control... part of my suggestion with the blacklisting comes from consideration that behavior of some members might cross such threshold based on a series of conduct, and certainly, I am not investigating into the matter and I would not have enough information to make a specific recommendation.  You, cryptohunter, seem to suggest that the crusade against Lauda is righteous and just and carried out by innocent truth seekers (and corruption busters), but I just have so much difficulties with your whole premise when the thread in which they are propagandizing is so wild with the deletion of posts, that no sane person attempting to seek knowledge on the topic is able to follow it or even participate in it. 

Personally, I find such threads, and even such assertions of fair and just to be unwarranted, when participation is being deleted, so the thread just becomes a BIG ASS circle jerk propaganda piece no longer worthy of categorization of fair and just (presuming that it ever was).

I'm glad you recognise this. I would personally see the end of all self moderated threads and local rules bullshit. People can post relevant on topic facts or opinions they substantiate with corroborating events etc or just refrain from posting. This is how the entire board should function for max efficiency.

There is no doubt that the goal is righteous. The method is for others to debate but i see it as no different as the DT's methods and they seem to shy away from anything unmoderated and now insist they can introduce echo chambers in meta via their "local rules".  So why can others not do as they like without that having negative implications.

For me personally I see it more as a "if you can do it....so can we" decision. I don't feel any information could come to light that would refute successfully what has been demonstrated with observable events/facts.

If you look i see a few posts there by those that are not pro "the movement".

Lauda does some good, I have praised it in the past however using red trust to bully or silence truth needs to be fixed or they need to be removed. There is no other sensible solution. This is not blackmail this is simply undo your wrong deeds or people will get upset at unfair treatment and expecting them to take it lying down is ........ unrealistic and unfair.




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I'm glad you recognise this. I would personally see the end of all self moderated threads and local rules bullshit. People can post relevant on topic facts or opinions they substantiate with corroborating events etc or just refrain from posting. This is how the entire board should function for max efficiency.

I think that it is fair for me to distinguish what I am saying here from what you seem to be saying. 

First, I am not against self-moderated threads, but it seems problematic when a large number of posts that are topical are deleted which causes difficulties following meaningful back and forth.  In the end, those judgements are with the creator of the thread, but there could be situations in which self-moderation crosses into a kind of abusive and seemingly purposely misleading territory.  I am NOT going to bother myself with specific attempts to figure out whether the "remove Lauda from DT" thread crosses into such territory because once my 6 posts therein were deleted, I decided to stop participating or looking at such thread because my time to construct the posts had been wasted when OP decided to delete my 6 posts, which was a step too far from me, so  thereafter, I don't give any shits about what I perceive to be phony boloney discussion points that they want to engage in what I believe to be a circle jerk (based on what I perceived to have been the deletion of my reasonable attempts at contribution to what I had thought to be the thread topic).

Second, on an objective level there are many reasons that self-moderation is likely more efficient then allowing a free range of ideas.  There are posts that purposefully attempt to derail to topic or promote some non-topic issues (aka trolling and shilling) and other conduct that might go over the line in either breaking forum rules or societal rules or norms (such as threats, safety, morally distasteful, and doxing and things like that).  Accordingly, some of those posts just need to be deleted because allowing them is less efficient than deleting them.

Third, I understand that there can be some debate about whether the services of the forum are a public utility or whether there is complete owner discretion.  I think that current state of the world gives a decently large amount of discretion to owners to do pretty much whatever they like.  I understand that theymos does attempt to allow deviance from his personal preferences (in regards to posts, threads, banning/suspensions, assignment of merit sources and moderators/staff), yet I think that he continues to hold a decent amount of discretion to change matters however he wants for almost any reason that he wants or no reason at all.  So in that regard, sometimes, there might be some allowance of topics, posts, member status and contradictions that are not easily explained, and really there is not a duty for theymos to necessarily explain, even though he might chose to provide some explanations from time to time.

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I think the trust system does way more harm to the community than good, it should be removed IMO. The amount of people I get direct messaging me on Twitter complaining how they stopped using this forum because of issues around trust is noticeable, or ranting about Lauda. I don't think these people are necessarily scammers either.

Better to just remove it. I'm sure the overall happiness of the community would go way up. Let people figure out for themselves if someone or a business is trustworthy, as they do on the rest of the internet. It's a noble idea but it just builds resentment among members which might actually lead to more shady and dubious behavior. Mobs going around bullying members with trust scores is shady activity. Feels like more people complain about getting their trust fucked with and characters like Lauda than they do about scams here.

Trust scores are mostly meaningless, it's closer to a popularity contest than a true measure of someone's trustworthiness. Just by using this site, all of you are implicitly trusting me, but that isn't reflected at all in my trust score, in fact I probably seem less trustworthy on first observation than some actual shady people on here. There's so much angst with the whole system, maybe there's a way to make it work better, and tweaking it could eventually lead to that, but for now it just looks like something that's dividing the community.
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I think the trust system does way more harm to the community than good, it should be removed IMO. The amount of people I get direct messaging me on Twitter complaining how they stopped using this forum because of issues around trust is noticeable, or ranting about Lauda. I don't think these people are necessarily scammers either.

Better to just remove it. I'm sure the overall happiness of the community would go way up. Let people figure out for themselves if someone or a business is trustworthy, as they do on the rest of the internet. It's a noble idea but it just builds resentment among members which might actually lead to more shady and dubious behavior. Mobs going around bullying members with trust scores is shady activity. Feels like more people complain about getting their trust fucked with and characters like Lauda than they do about scams here.

Trust scores are mostly meaningless, it's closer to a popularity contest than a true measure of someone's trustworthiness. Just by using this site, all of you are implicitly trusting me, but that isn't reflected at all in my trust score, in fact I probably seem less trustworthy on first observation than some actual shady people on here. There's so much angst with the whole system, maybe there's a way to make it work better, and tweaking it could eventually lead to that, but for now it just looks like something that's dividing the community.

Its almost like we could use an objective standard of evidence of theft, violation of contractual agreement, or violation of applicable laws. I tried to make this argument years ago but I am just a troll and should be ignored and marginalized forever for saying so.

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I think the trust system does way more harm to the community than good, it should be removed IMO. The amount of people I get direct messaging me on Twitter complaining how they stopped using this forum because of issues around trust is noticeable, or ranting about Lauda. I don't think these people are necessarily scammers either.

Better to just remove it. I'm sure the overall happiness of the community would go way up. Let people figure out for themselves if someone or a business is trustworthy, as they do on the rest of the internet. It's a noble idea but it just builds resentment among members which might actually lead to more shady and dubious behavior. Mobs going around bullying members with trust scores is shady activity. Feels like more people complain about getting their trust fucked with and characters like Lauda than they do about scams here.

Trust scores are mostly meaningless, it's closer to a popularity contest than a true measure of someone's trustworthiness. Just by using this site, all of you are implicitly trusting me, but that isn't reflected at all in my trust score, in fact I probably seem less trustworthy on first observation than some actual shady people on here. There's so much angst with the whole system, maybe there's a way to make it work better, and tweaking it could eventually lead to that, but for now it just looks like something that's dividing the community.

I can't believe I hadn't left you positive trust before this.  My sincere apologies on this oversight that has now been corrected.  I thought it was awful the way certain groups were trying to bully you into giving up the coveted domain you control, and applaud how you stood your ground.

I also echo your thoughts, specifically pertaining to Lauda.  I think this community needs to be more respectful of new members, and less threatened that some brand new account is going to scam the community out of all our funds.  Far more often it is "trusted" escrow agents leading new members into bad projects with a false sense of security that are to blame for community losses.  While I think scrapping DT might be a bit of an over-reaction, I can't think of a better way without appearing to play favorites.  Possibly remove all negative trust completely until these users see they aren't saving the world with their attack against newbies and are instead discouraging community growth.

EDIT: Where are all the scam busters when an ACTUAL THREAT appears?
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I think the trust system does way more harm to the community than good, it should be removed IMO. The amount of people I get direct messaging me on Twitter complaining how they stopped using this forum because of issues around trust is noticeable, or ranting about Lauda. I don't think these people are necessarily scammers either.

Better to just remove it. I'm sure the overall happiness of the community would go way up. Let people figure out for themselves if someone or a business is trustworthy, as they do on the rest of the internet. It's a noble idea but it just builds resentment among members which might actually lead to more shady and dubious behavior. Mobs going around bullying members with trust scores is shady activity. Feels like more people complain about getting their trust fucked with and characters like Lauda than they do about scams here.

Trust scores are mostly meaningless, it's closer to a popularity contest than a true measure of someone's trustworthiness. Just by using this site, all of you are implicitly trusting me, but that isn't reflected at all in my trust score, in fact I probably seem less trustworthy on first observation than some actual shady people on here. There's so much angst with the whole system, maybe there's a way to make it work better, and tweaking it could eventually lead to that, but for now it just looks like something that's dividing the community.

Be careful now. You don’t want your account tagged as bought or ‘changed hands’. Opinions that go against the cults are generally viewed with suspicion, and it wouldn’t be long before you’re labeled a troll. I can imagine them already trawling through your post history looking for dirt.

I don’t think DT is a bad thing, however, it comes with some responsibility. I am certain that when Lauda was booted off DT for a few weeks, things were quieter on here and scams were still busted. Lauda and some members of her cult are the problem here not DT. And the sooner they’re out the better.


Update: Bazinga442 has excluded me anyway, so he just copy/pasts a list he doesn't even agree with.
Yes, I copied and pasted the list. I’ve never had a trust list before now and I visit my trust page only when I want to leave retaliatory feedback. I don’t need a trust list to tell me who I should trust or not.
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I think the trust system does way more harm to the community than good
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I have to agree.
The trust system does not do much in preventing scams, but it does lead to a lot of infighting.

Trust scores are mostly meaningless, it's closer to a popularity contest than a true measure of someone's trustworthiness.
That's where I'm at least a little uncertain.
It's true that most trust ratings are meaningless, but established traders who've done a number of trades in a trustworthy manner seem to be easily identified by substantial trust scores.
If that really justifies all the hassle with the trust system, is another question.


But the trust system is very good at one thing:
warning about accounts that might superficially seem trustworthy because of their long existence and e.g. "Legendary" status which either fall into the hands of account buyers or ruin their reputation by doing something fishy.

So, its really a glass half full half empty situation.
One real function of the trust system and a lot of bile, bickering and bitching.

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February 09, 2019, 09:24:21 PM
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I think the trust system does way more harm to the community than good, it should be removed IMO. The amount of people I get direct messaging me on Twitter complaining how they stopped using this forum because of issues around trust is noticeable, or ranting about Lauda. I don't think these people are necessarily scammers either.

Better to just remove it. I'm sure the overall happiness of the community would go way up. Let people figure out for themselves if someone or a business is trustworthy, as they do on the rest of the internet. It's a noble idea but it just builds resentment among members which might actually lead to more shady and dubious behavior. Mobs going around bullying members with trust scores is shady activity. Feels like more people complain about getting their trust fucked with and characters like Lauda than they do about scams here.

Trust scores are mostly meaningless, it's closer to a popularity contest than a true measure of someone's trustworthiness. Just by using this site, all of you are implicitly trusting me, but that isn't reflected at all in my trust score, in fact I probably seem less trustworthy on first observation than some actual shady people on here. There's so much angst with the whole system, maybe there's a way to make it work better, and tweaking it could eventually lead to that, but for now it just looks like something that's dividing the community.

Someone had to say it : I can't help think that if these exact same words came from someone else on the forums, there'd be a radically inverse response. And I'm not even exaggerating. It really shows how much people here are severely affected by status and prejudice.

I would agree that both the old and current trust system create more drama and issues rather than solve problems. But I don't know about removing the system as a whole. In the end (for me at least.), Trust remains just as a simple indicator of a person's past behaviour, and I almost always check the feedback be it positive or negative before I trade with someone.

I dealt with people who have negative trust before, and also refused to deal with people who had green one. I've already learned my lesson several times that there is no such thing as absolute trust, because being "trusted" is not generally something that can stay forever. People change. So if anything, people just need to start understanding that the trust system is just an indicator, and you need to use your own judgement when dealing with people.

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February 09, 2019, 09:33:03 PM
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I think the trust system does way more harm to the community than good
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It's a noble idea but
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more people complain about getting their trust fucked with
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than they do about scams here
I have to agree.
The trust system does not do much in preventing scams, but it does lead to a lot of infighting.

Trust scores are mostly meaningless, it's closer to a popularity contest than a true measure of someone's trustworthiness.
That's where I'm at least a little uncertain.
It's true that most trust ratings are meaningless, but established traders who've done a number of trades in a trustworthy manner seem to be easily identified by substantial trust scores.
If that really justifies all the hassle with the trust system, is another question.


But the trust system is very good at one thing:
warning about accounts that might superficially seem trustworthy because of their long existence and e.g. "Legendary" status which either fall into the hands of account buyers or ruin their reputation by doing something fishy.

So, its really a glass half full half empty situation.
One real function of the trust system and a lot of bile, bickering and bitching.

Instead of teaching new users to blindly trust ratings that could be on a hacked account, or that scam busters will always protect them, perhaps we should be teaching them to use the numbers as a quick reference and to do due diligence before trading. The bitching and bickering tends to happen when you take years of work some one did to build a reputation in an extremely hostile environment full of con artists and scams, and turn it in to a toy for children with modest amounts of authority to lord over you with fake internet points. It is like taking a mans prosthetic leg off of him and beating him with it. It is an insult by its mere existence as the status quo.

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February 09, 2019, 09:58:24 PM
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Someone had to say it : I can't help think that if these exact same words came from someone else on the forums, there'd be a radically inverse response. And I'm not even exaggerating. It really shows how much people here are severely affected by status and prejudice.

The same applies for outside the forums, so not very forum/community-specific issue.

People change. So if anything, people just need to start understanding that the trust system is just an indicator, and you need to use your own judgement when dealing with people.

I guess that people generally understand "trust system" to be quite a strong indicator, when coming out of nowhere to deal with total randomers. See a red score, and you'll just move elsewhere. I think trying to improve or change the way people understand what is the intention of having trust system is a too big battle... People naturally weigh a lot on such things. Pretty complicated stuff.

I think the trust system does way more harm to the community than good, it should be removed IMO. The amount of people I get direct messaging me on Twitter complaining how they stopped using this forum because of issues around trust is noticeable, or ranting about Lauda. I don't think these people are necessarily scammers either.

Better to just remove it. I'm sure the overall happiness of the community would go way up. Let people figure out for themselves if someone or a business is trustworthy, as they do on the rest of the internet. It's a noble idea but it just builds resentment among members which might actually lead to more shady and dubious behavior. Mobs going around bullying members with trust scores is shady activity. Feels like more people complain about getting their trust fucked with and characters like Lauda than they do about scams here.

Trust scores are mostly meaningless, it's closer to a popularity contest than a true measure of someone's trustworthiness. Just by using this site, all of you are implicitly trusting me, but that isn't reflected at all in my trust score, in fact I probably seem less trustworthy on first observation than some actual shady people on here. There's so much angst with the whole system, maybe there's a way to make it work better, and tweaking it could eventually lead to that, but for now it just looks like something that's dividing the community.

Someone would need to make a proper analysis of the effects/consequences of having had the trust system here. For sure, it has increased drama and wasted loads of time, in addition to increasing bad blood around the active community of BCT. I think it largely boils down to having communication problems, misunderstandings and so on. People have different views (but still probably same goals) and (almost always) too little information to form a proper model of what someone else is meaning/arguing/thinking for real when they say something. Especially over the internet emotions play a large role, too. And there are no real consequences, so no real incentives to do everything as well as possible. People naturally form exaggerated views of others (for good and for bad), as all they see of someone else is text. These are somewhat studied subjects.
And of course accounts change hands, people change, trust system gets gamed, DT gets gamed, general misuse of trust system happens, people have different intentions when they rate someone from how the reader of the rating reads/understands it, etc.

So do the good stuff of this system outweigh downsides? It would be interesting to see an analysis about this, with some semi-objective measurements and argumentation and so on.

Btw, I think it's also worth noting that most of the users of these forums do not know or care at all about the trust system.

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February 09, 2019, 10:13:40 PM
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EDIT: Where are all the scam busters when an ACTUAL THREAT appears?
Here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0.

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February 09, 2019, 10:16:36 PM
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Actually, shouldn't possible malware links be reported to mods for deletion?

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February 09, 2019, 10:18:36 PM
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Actually, shouldn't possible malware links be reported to mods for deletion?

Hence why I tagged them and reported the post for deletion. Good thing I didn’t wait until they successfully scammed and a post was made in the scam accusation section.  Roll Eyes
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