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This is how bullshit happens, i placed a bet on India to win expecting them to whitewash the series and they made major changes in the team and there is no way they are going to win this match without their main players that played in the first two matches, sadly i had to cash out at a huge loss after India started good and then loosing all the wickets for 225 runs which i did not expect.

Indians took the match very lightly, since they already won the series. Also, it looked as if they wanted to make sure that Sri Lanka gets 10 points in the World Cup Super League. Now Sri Lanka has 22 points from 12 matches and they have moved up from the 12th place to the 11th place. Netherlands have been demoted to the 12th place (20 points from 3 matches). It was not a wise decision to make a bet in favor of India, after they won the series. They always take such matches casually and yesterday also it was no different.

Well they made 6 changes and 5 of them were debutantes although they were very much familiar faces in IPL arena. After winning 2 consecutive match it was logical to give other guys some game time and international experience so i would say its okay, there was nothing on stake for the Indians anyway.

I also think the decision of the Indian management is right. India have already won the series. And their performance was admirable. By changing the players in the squad and giving new players a chance, new players will have the opportunity to be experienced and their abilities will also be revealed. This will make it easier for future Indian national teams to find experienced players.

Although Indian management wanted to experiment but they lost the match in the end. I think there is a difference between winning a series by margin of 2-1 and 3-0. If they had won the series 3-0, they could have given strong message to the opposition.

As such, it is India's second tier team. So if they lose a match in the entire series, it is not too disrespectful for India. Maybe they lost a match, but the results of giving new players a chance will be seen by the Indian team in the future. They Understand which players are suitable for international matches.

Just looking at the India and England team, how far ahead they are going as compare to other teams. Recently England also played and won again Pakistan with their Tier 2 team. They, India and England both have developed 2 teams each which can beat any international team. Aussies are losing the winning streak and the rest of the teams are worthless who only perform once in a while.

I think you are under estimating the West Indies team here. They have won the T20 series against Australia and also level the ODI series 1-1.

Its never easy to beat Australian team and this shows that West Indies are again emerging as one of the best teams.

[LittleBitFunny]

Just looking at the India and England team, how far ahead they are going as compare to other teams. Recently England also played and won again Pakistan with their Tier 2 team. They, India and England both have developed 2 teams each which can beat any international team. Aussies are losing the winning streak and the rest of the teams are worthless who only perform once in a while.

I think you are under estimating the West Indies team here. They have won the T20 series against Australia and also level the ODI series 1-1.

Its never easy to beat Australian team and this shows that West Indies are again emerging as one of the best teams.

I mean the West Indies team is not emerging as a strong team, the Australia team has lost their old reputation. The Australian players are not in good form now. The Australian team has been unstable for a long time. Earlier, they also lost the series against New Zealand and India. Their time is going bad.

[pakhitheboss]

Just looking at the India and England team, how far ahead they are going as compare to other teams. Recently England also played and won again Pakistan with their Tier 2 team. They, India and England both have developed 2 teams each which can beat any international team. Aussies are losing the winning streak and the rest of the teams are worthless who only perform once in a while.

I think you are under estimating the West Indies team here. They have won the T20 series against Australia and also level the ODI series 1-1.

Its never easy to beat Australian team and this shows that West Indies are again emerging as one of the best teams.

I mean the West Indies team is not emerging as a strong team, the Australia team has lost their old reputation. The Australian players are not in good form now. The Australian team has been unstable for a long time. Earlier, they also lost the series against New Zealand and India. Their time is going bad.

You cannot underestimate the WestIndian side, there are players in that team who have consistently performed in T20 matches. They have a lot of experience in hand too. I would not comment on which teams will dominate the upcoming T20 WorldCup but I am certain West Indies team will be one of them.

[Swordsoffreedom]

Just looking at the India and England team, how far ahead they are going as compare to other teams. Recently England also played and won again Pakistan with their Tier 2 team. They, India and England both have developed 2 teams each which can beat any international team. Aussies are losing the winning streak and the rest of the teams are worthless who only perform once in a while.

I think you are under estimating the West Indies team here. They have won the T20 series against Australia and also level the ODI series 1-1.

Its never easy to beat Australian team and this shows that West Indies are again emerging as one of the best teams.

I mean the West Indies team is not emerging as a strong team, the Australia team has lost their old reputation. The Australian players are not in good form now. The Australian team has been unstable for a long time. Earlier, they also lost the series against New Zealand and India. Their time is going bad.

I think you are right. The Australian team has had a very bad rhythm. They should have done better against a team like West Indies. But we have to admit that the West Indies team has improved a lot. Their performance against Australia is stable. In almost every match they are batting quite well, at the same time their bowlers are doing their duty properly.

[Haunebu]

Shakib to Bangladesh cricket is what Virat Kohli is for Indian cricket, and Steve Smith is for Australia. But how the boards deal with these players is diametrically different. Shakib is always involved in some dispute with the board and the BCB members seems to be having ego issues towards him. On the other hand, the BCCI treats Virat like he is the god. Even the coach bows down to him and the team selection is done as per his preferences. Smith is not in a position as worse as Shakib, but CA didn't supported him when he was banned for ball tampering allegations.

Shakib has established himself as a legendary all-rounder in Cricket, but he has a bad personality basically which is why it makes sense why the BCB have serious issues with him. Both of them are at fault here.

I agree with your opinion about Kohli being treated in a divine manner which needs to change. Also, Smith and Warner totally deserved the harsh treatment from CA since they needed to set an example which they clearly did.

All 3 boards dealt with their star players in different ways which attracted support and anger related to their decisions.

[ene1980]

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Shakib to Bangladesh cricket is what Virat Kohli is for Indian cricket, and Steve Smith is for Australia. But how the boards deal with these players is diametrically different. Shakib is always involved in some dispute with the board and the BCB members seems to be having ego issues towards him. On the other hand, the BCCI treats Virat like he is the god. Even the coach bows down to him and the team selection is done as per his preferences. Smith is not in a position as worse as Shakib, but CA didn't supported him when he was banned for ball tampering allegations.

There are voice coming from others for the BCCI supporting Virat Kohli blindly and whatever he says will be executed and he is in a different space altogether and the situation with Shakib Al Hasan and their cricket board is soar and if not for his talents he will be sitting at home. Steve Smith had that same reputation with the board but after the ball tampering incident that honeymoon period is over but not that soar.

[JohnBitCo]

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Shakib to Bangladesh cricket is what Virat Kohli is for Indian cricket, and Steve Smith is for Australia. But how the boards deal with these players is diametrically different. Shakib is always involved in some dispute with the board and the BCB members seems to be having ego issues towards him. On the other hand, the BCCI treats Virat like he is the god. Even the coach bows down to him and the team selection is done as per his preferences. Smith is not in a position as worse as Shakib, but CA didn't supported him when he was banned for ball tampering allegations.

There are voice coming from others for the BCCI supporting Virat Kohli blindly and whatever he says will be executed and he is in a different space altogether and the situation with Shakib Al Hasan and their cricket board is soar and if not for his talents he will be sitting at home. Steve Smith had that same reputation with the board but after the ball tampering incident that honeymoon period is over but not that soar.

So what is your opinion on how we should treat our national hero's. Virat Kohli has done to much good for the indian cricket and if indian board treat him as a legend, what's wrong in this (as long as he does not demand something unrealistic) ?

However, if any one is involved in ball tempering or any illegal activity then the board should not support the player, no matter how good he was for the country and the team.

[bryant.coleman]

Shakib has established himself as a legendary all-rounder in Cricket, but he has a bad personality basically which is why it makes sense why the BCB have serious issues with him. Both of them are at fault here.

I agree with your opinion about Kohli being treated in a divine manner which needs to change. Also, Smith and Warner totally deserved the harsh treatment from CA since they needed to set an example which they clearly did.

All 3 boards dealt with their star players in different ways which attracted support and anger related to their decisions.

I agree with you on Shakib and Kohli. Shakib has a reputation of being short tempered, and clearly that hasn't helped things. However, I believe that Smith received disproportionately harsh treatment from the ICC and CA. When players can use saliva and sweat for changing the condition of the ball, then why only sandpaper is illegal? Also, it doesn't make any sense to ban two batsmen for ball tampering. Do you really believe that the Australian bowlers are all angels and they had no idea about this?

[pakhitheboss]

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Shakib to Bangladesh cricket is what Virat Kohli is for Indian cricket, and Steve Smith is for Australia. But how the boards deal with these players is diametrically different. Shakib is always involved in some dispute with the board and the BCB members seems to be having ego issues towards him. On the other hand, the BCCI treats Virat like he is the god. Even the coach bows down to him and the team selection is done as per his preferences. Smith is not in a position as worse as Shakib, but CA didn't supported him when he was banned for ball tampering allegations.

There are voice coming from others for the BCCI supporting Virat Kohli blindly and whatever he says will be executed and he is in a different space altogether and the situation with Shakib Al Hasan and their cricket board is soar and if not for his talents he will be sitting at home. Steve Smith had that same reputation with the board but after the ball tampering incident that honeymoon period is over but not that soar.

So what is your opinion on how we should treat our national hero's. Virat Kohli has done to much good for the indian cricket and if indian board treat him as a legend, what's wrong in this (as long as he does not demand something unrealistic) ?

However, if any one is involved in ball tempering or any illegal activity then the board should not support the player, no matter how good he was for the country and the team.

Virat Kohli never gets any harsh treatment from the BCCI. I think because there is no one in the team or the management who opposes him. If they do they are dropped from the team. He was able to replace Kumble in the past. He is blindly supported by BCCI no matter if he is in fault or not. I guess he might have a strong political support within BCCI and outside too.

[Vishnu.Reang]

Virat Kohli never gets any harsh treatment from the BCCI. I think because there is no one in the team or the management who opposes him. If they do they are dropped from the team. He was able to replace Kumble in the past. He is blindly supported by BCCI no matter if he is in fault or not. I guess he might have a strong political support within BCCI and outside too.

At this point, the BCCI bosses needs his support very badly. The BCCI is divided in to two camps. The one led by Sourav Ganguly-Jay Shah-Anurag Thakur is in power now, but they are in a sticky wicket as their majority is bare minimum (out of the 38 state associations, only around 20 support this group). The other camp led by Sharad Pawar-N Srinivasan has remained out of power since the NDA came to power in 2014. Both the camps are not interested in any well being of the game. They are only interested in the $1 billion revenue that BCCI generates every year. Given the conditions, it will be unwise for either of these two camps to antagonize Virat Kohli. So for now, they will dance to his whims and fancies.

[JSRAW]

Shakib has established himself as a legendary all-rounder in Cricket, but he has a bad personality basically which is why it makes sense why the BCB have serious issues with him. Both of them are at fault here.

I agree with your opinion about Kohli being treated in a divine manner which needs to change. Also, Smith and Warner totally deserved the harsh treatment from CA since they needed to set an example which they clearly did.

All 3 boards dealt with their star players in different ways which attracted support and anger related to their decisions.

I agree with you on Shakib and Kohli. Shakib has a reputation of being short tempered, and clearly that hasn't helped things. However, I believe that Smith received disproportionately harsh treatment from the ICC and CA. When players can use saliva and sweat for changing the condition of the ball, then why only sandpaper is illegal? Also, it doesn't make any sense to ban two batsmen for ball tampering. Do you really believe that the Australian bowlers are all angels and they had no idea about this?

Smith didn't receive any harsh treatment from the ICC tho, they only handed out like 3-5 matches ban to everyone if my memory serves me well. It was CA who took the decision of banning, another addition angle (not main tho) in this story is most of the CA officials hated Warner because of his rebellion behavior.

You're spot on. In my point of view all CA did is damage control in this drama and i also failed to understand that how come they banned only batsmen (warner, smith bancroft) and gave clean chit to their fast bowlers especially Starc.

On kohli well he's reign is about to finish so don't worry about him much. He legend as far as his batting is concern but when it comes to captaincy, he's shit.

[bryant.coleman]

Smith didn't receive any harsh treatment from the ICC tho, they only handed out like 3-5 matches ban to everyone if my memory serves me well. It was CA who took the decision of banning, another addition angle (not main tho) in this story is most of the CA officials hated Warner because of his rebellion behavior.

You're spot on. In my point of view all CA did is damage control in this drama and i also failed to understand that how come they banned only batsmen (warner, smith bancroft) and gave clean chit to their fast bowlers especially Starc.

On kohli well he's reign is about to finish so don't worry about him much. He legend as far as his batting is concern but when it comes to captaincy, he's shit.

LOL.. Kohli has at least 4 years of international cricket left. So why do you think that his reign is about to end? If I remember correctly, you were saying the same after India lost the WTC final as well. It is clear that no one in the BCCI has the courage to take any action against him. There were proposals to limit Kohli's captaincy to test format, and make someone else the ODI and T20 captain. But that was never put in to practise, because the board didn't wanted to antagonize Kohli. Personally, I don't think that this is a serious issue. Indian team performs well irrespective of who handles the captaincy. So if the BCCI want to continue with the status quo, it is perfectly OK with me.

[JSRAW]

Smith didn't receive any harsh treatment from the ICC tho, they only handed out like 3-5 matches ban to everyone if my memory serves me well. It was CA who took the decision of banning, another addition angle (not main tho) in this story is most of the CA officials hated Warner because of his rebellion behavior.

You're spot on. In my point of view all CA did is damage control in this drama and i also failed to understand that how come they banned only batsmen (warner, smith bancroft) and gave clean chit to their fast bowlers especially Starc.

On kohli well he's reign is about to finish so don't worry about him much. He legend as far as his batting is concern but when it comes to captaincy, he's shit.

LOL.. Kohli has at least 4 years of international cricket left. So why do you think that his reign is about to end? If I remember correctly, you were saying the same after India lost the WTC final as well. It is clear that no one in the BCCI has the courage to take any action against him. There were proposals to limit Kohli's captaincy to test format, and make someone else the ODI and T20 captain. But that was never put in to practise, because the board didn't wanted to antagonize Kohli. Personally, I don't think that this is a serious issue. Indian team performs well irrespective of who handles the captaincy. So if the BCCI want to continue with the status quo, it is perfectly OK with me.

We just lost WTC, only 30ish days so don't hold your breathe.

And no i didn't (I said that his opponents are going to be vocal, that's it) plus I said that he's going to be in trouble after T-20 WC or may be next 2023 50 overs World cup because trophies matters, i also said that Shashtri's contract is about to finish and i don't see any real possibility of new contract. As far as i know only tiny section of media raise questions on Kohli's captaincy, no officials are vocal atm but it can change very quickly.

Kohli does have 4-5 years but not as a captain, that i'm sure of.

[Vishnu.Reang]

^^^^ I didn't knew that damaadji's contract is about to end. And the signal from the BCCI was quite clear, when they sent Rahul Dravid as the coach for the India team on Sri Lanka tour. But I am afraid that a soft-spoken guy like Dravid may not be able to adjust himself with the likes of Kohli, Rohit and Pant. Kohli is just the polar opposite of what Dravid is. The former is known as an aggressive player, and even as a bully. While the latter is without an argument regarded as one of the gentleman to have played the game at international level.

[Swordsoffreedom]

After a remarkable win against India in the previous match, Sri Lanka decided to field after winning the toss today. I am enjoying this match now. In the first ball, India lost the crucial wicket of their experienced batsman Prithvi Shaw. Prithvi Shaw did not perform well in the previous match too. The Indian team expects better performance from him. I bet today on India's victory. Hopefully they will disappoint me in today's match.

[bryant.coleman]

After a remarkable win against India in the previous match, Sri Lanka decided to field after winning the toss today. I am enjoying this match now. In the first ball, India lost the crucial wicket of their experienced batsman Prithvi Shaw. Prithvi Shaw did not perform well in the previous match too. The Indian team expects better performance from him. I bet today on India's victory. Hopefully they will disappoint me in today's match.

There is a separate thread for T20. It will be better to discuss this match there.


Did anyone watched yesterday's ODI between West Indies and Australia? It was a low scoring match, but in the end West Indies scored another victory over the Australians. Batting first, Australia could manage just 187. However, they had West Indies down to 72/5 (at this point Evin Lewis, Darren Bravo and Kieron Pollard were back in the pavillion). But the a partnership between Jason Holder and Nicholas Pooran gave them a victory. For the Australians, once again Mitchell Starc was exceptional (10-1-26-3), but none of the other bowlers gave him any support.

[Swordsoffreedom]

After a remarkable win against India in the previous match, Sri Lanka decided to field after winning the toss today. I am enjoying this match now. In the first ball, India lost the crucial wicket of their experienced batsman Prithvi Shaw. Prithvi Shaw did not perform well in the previous match too. The Indian team expects better performance from him. I bet today on India's victory. Hopefully they will disappoint me in today's match.

There is a separate thread for T20. It will be better to discuss this match there.

Sorry, for posting on this thread. It's my small mistake. Extremely sorry.... /

Did anyone watched yesterday's ODI between West Indies and Australia? It was a low scoring match, but in the end West Indies scored another victory over the Australians. Batting first, Australia could manage just 187. However, they had West Indies down to 72/5 (at this point Evin Lewis, Darren Bravo and Kieron Pollard were back in the pavillion). But the a partnership between Jason Holder and Nicholas Pooran gave them a victory. For the Australians, once again Mitchell Starc was exceptional (10-1-26-3), but none of the other bowlers gave him any support.

I watched the match. Australia won the first match. Although the West Indies players have performed very well. The team is trying their best to stabilize themself. In yesterday's match, Australia lost all their wickets by just 187 runs after batting first. It was an easy and expected win for the West Indies team.

[SaShiRaJaVu]

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 And the signal from the BCCI was quite clear, when they sent Rahul Dravid as the coach for the India team on Sri Lanka tour. But I am afraid that a soft-spoken guy like Dravid may not be able to adjust himself with the likes of Kohli, Rohit and Pant. Kohli is just the polar opposite of what Dravid is. The former is known as an aggressive player, and even as a bully. While the latter is without an argument regarded as one of the gentleman to have played the game at international level.

Rahul Dravid is coaching the youngsters for a long time and he will be the right candidate to replace Ravi Shastri and it does not matter if he is quite in the public he will take the team to the next level because we can literally see the difference in young talents that are coming up and the credit should be given to Rahul Dravid and is other coaching staffs for grooming them and i am sure he will do a wonderful job .

[Sithara007]

Rahul Dravid is coaching the youngsters for a long time and he will be the right candidate to replace Ravi Shastri and it does not matter if he is quite in the public he will take the team to the next level because we can literally see the difference in young talents that are coming up and the credit should be given to Rahul Dravid and is other coaching staffs for grooming them and i am sure he will do a wonderful job .

Rahul Dravid has an exceptional record in the coaching domain. He was the coach of the Indian women's team for a short-while and did a good job during that period. And once again, he is lauded for his efforts in the Sri Lankan tour. Personally, I believe that anyone other than Ravi Shastri as the coach would be good for the Indian national team. I still don't know what is his contribution to the team, even after staying as the coach for the last two years. I am yet to see any positive contribution from him.

[onecall123]

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 And the signal from the BCCI was quite clear, when they sent Rahul Dravid as the coach for the India team on Sri Lanka tour. But I am afraid that a soft-spoken guy like Dravid may not be able to adjust himself with the likes of Kohli, Rohit and Pant. Kohli is just the polar opposite of what Dravid is. The former is known as an aggressive player, and even as a bully. While the latter is without an argument regarded as one of the gentleman to have played the game at international level.

Rahul Dravid is coaching the youngsters for a long time and he will be the right candidate to replace Ravi Shastri and it does not matter if he is quite in the public he will take the team to the next level because we can literally see the difference in young talents that are coming up and the credit should be given to Rahul Dravid and is other coaching staffs for grooming them and i am sure he will do a wonderful job .

Absolutely love the idea. At grass-roots level, he has made a significant impact that cannot be duplicated. His nursing has so far been limited to the Indian B team or the women's team. How long can Dravid continue to develop only junior talent! Only he can shape the Indian National team better than any other coach. He is best suited to coach India's national team, so Ravi Shastri should be replaced.