ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]

[elevates]

Ireland was still dreaming that they will be able to win the series 3-0 and thereby gain direct qualification to the ODI world cup. And in reality, they lost the series 0-2. They asked Josh Little to participate in this series (he was playing in the IPL for Gujarat Titans), and this resulted in huge monetary losses for him. They need to introspect the reason for poor performance ever since they got the test status in 2019. Now they are receiving good funding from the ICC, when compared to other associate nations such as Scotland and Namibia ($5 million per year for 2019-23, and $18 million per year for 2024-27).

I would say they somehow got overconfident after the test match against Bangladesh. They thought that Bangladesh would be vulnerable in their home ground. What happened was just the opposite. The first match got cancelled due to rain. In the second match, they had zero idea on how to stop Bangladesh's batters. In the third match, they fought well, but that was not enough.

The Irish team would be playing against England in a one-off test match in the month of June. Being neighbors and political rivals, this test match would be a good one, I feel.

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[Patrol69]

Mustafizur Rahman has set a new solo record by playing just one match in the Ireland series. Mustafizur Rahman has taken four or more wickets in an ODI innings 10 times since his ODI debut. After Mustafizur's debut, Trent Boult and Sandeep Lamichane have taken 4 wickets in an innings more than 11 times. The players who are on the list of most four-wicket takers so far are,

NAME/COUNTY                 TIMES

1. TRENT BOULT                   11
NEW ZEALAND

2. SANDEEP LAMICHANE   11
NEPAL

3. MUSTAFIZUR RAHMAN   10
BANGLADESH

4. RASHID KHAN                   10
AFGHANISTAN

5. MITCHELL STARC             10
AUSTRALIA

[Sithara007]

^^^ Among this list, it is Trent Boult who stands out. New Zealand has at least half a dozen quality pacers, including Southee, Jamieson, Milne, Henry and Wagner. Despite all that, Boult constantly tops their bowling charts. In case of Sandeep Lamichhane and Rashid Khan, it is mostly due to lack of competition from their own team. The same can be said about Mustafizur as well. Other Bangladeshi pacers are not as the same level as him. And among the five bowlers in this list, Rashid and Sandeep are the only youngsters (i.e less than 25 years old).

[Juggy777]

Ireland was still dreaming that they will be able to win the series 3-0 and thereby gain direct qualification to the ODI world cup. And in reality, they lost the series 0-2. They asked Josh Little to participate in this series (he was playing in the IPL for Gujarat Titans), and this resulted in huge monetary losses for him. They need to introspect the reason for poor performance ever since they got the test status in 2019. Now they are receiving good funding from the ICC, when compared to other associate nations such as Scotland and Namibia ($5 million per year for 2019-23, and $18 million per year for 2024-27).

I would say they somehow got overconfident after the test match against Bangladesh. They thought that Bangladesh would be vulnerable in their home ground. What happened was just the opposite. The first match got cancelled due to rain. In the second match, they had zero idea on how to stop Bangladesh's batters. In the third match, they fought well, but that was not enough.

@Sithara007 I agree with @elevates that Ireland player’s were overconfident and they totally failed to implement their game plan against Bangladesh. Furthermore I was surprised to see that Josh agreed to leave IPL to play an international series but he’ll be back now however I doubt that he’ll be selected because it seems that GT have a nice winning playing 11 and I’m not sure if they’ll want to tweak it to accommodate him.

[Patrol69]

^^^ Among this list, it is Trent Boult who stands out. New Zealand has at least half a dozen quality pacers, including Southee, Jamieson, Milne, Henry and Wagner. Despite all that, Boult constantly tops their bowling charts. In case of Sandeep Lamichhane and Rashid Khan, it is mostly due to lack of competition from their own team. The same can be said about Mustafizur as well. Other Bangladeshi pacers are not as the same level as him. And among the five bowlers in this list, Rashid and Sandeep are the only youngsters (i.e less than 25 years old).

The five bowlers who have made the list have great bowling variants. But surprisingly, out of this list of five, two are leg spinners.

Rashid Khan's balls are still not well understood by the batsmen. This Afghanistan all-rounder bowls exceptionally well. 
Sandeep Lamichhane has some great spin although he doesn't have as much variety as Rashid Khan but I have seen many batsmen get beaten by him in the time he has played in the IPL. Sandeep Lamichhane is ranked number 2 in this list because of the weaker teams he has played in. 
Mustafizur Rahman has a great cutter in his bowling which usually defeats the batsmen. 
And the remaining two on the list are world class bowlers who are as good at swing and yorkers as they are with their bowling pace. These qualities may be why they are on the top five list.

[n0ne]

Ireland was still dreaming that they will be able to win the series 3-0 and thereby gain direct qualification to the ODI world cup. And in reality, they lost the series 0-2. They asked Josh Little to participate in this series (he was playing in the IPL for Gujarat Titans), and this resulted in huge monetary losses for him. They need to introspect the reason for poor performance ever since they got the test status in 2019. Now they are receiving good funding from the ICC, when compared to other associate nations such as Scotland and Namibia ($5 million per year for 2019-23, and $18 million per year for 2024-27).

I would say they somehow got overconfident after the test match against Bangladesh. They thought that Bangladesh would be vulnerable in their home ground. What happened was just the opposite. The first match got cancelled due to rain. In the second match, they had zero idea on how to stop Bangladesh's batters. In the third match, they fought well, but that was not enough.

@Sithara007 I agree with @elevates that Ireland player’s were overconfident and they totally failed to implement their game plan against Bangladesh. Furthermore I was surprised to see that Josh agreed to leave IPL to play an international series but he’ll be back now however I doubt that he’ll be selected because it seems that GT have a nice winning playing 11 and I’m not sure if they’ll want to tweak it to accommodate him.

Maybe, to me it doesn't look like the overconfidence. It looked like lack of experience, if not surely they could've won atleast the third match after coming this closer. They had a plan, on execution they failed. Playing few more series against top teams will make them progress well and learn how to handle similar match situations. Already the Gujarat Titans team manager Vikram Solanki have confirmed about Joshua Little back to the team after the Bangladesh series.

[ThemePen]

Zimbabwe A vs Pakistan A
Today these two teams are playing an unofficial first ODI. In this match Zimbabwe team set the target of 235 runs for Pakistan team. Pakistan is still playing its turn and made 142 runs in 33 overs and gave 5 wickets. For Pakistan it is looking little difficult to win this match because they have already lost 5 wickets and now they needs 88 runs on 96 balls. Let see who will win.

[speeder]

Zimbabwe A vs Pakistan A
Today these two teams are playing an unofficial first ODI. In this match Zimbabwe team set the target of 235 runs for Pakistan team. Pakistan is still playing its turn and made 142 runs in 33 overs and gave 5 wickets. For Pakistan it is looking little difficult to win this match because they have already lost 5 wickets and now they needs 88 runs on 96 balls. Let see who will win.

I think 235 runs was not a big target for Pakistan A team. Pakistan A cricket team could have won this match against Zimbabwe A cricket team if the top order and last order batting performance of Pakistan A cricket team could have done a bit better. Two openers of the Pakistan cricket team played unexpected games. All Pakistan cricket team players except Kamran Ghulam, Haseebullah Khan, and Mubasir Khan played unexpected games. On the other hand, Zimbabwe A cricket team players have performed well in both batting and bowling. In today's match, Zimbabwe A won against Pakistan A by 24 runs. Congratulations to Zimbabwe cricket team.

[posi]

Zimbabwe A vs Pakistan A
Today these two teams are playing an unofficial first ODI. In this match Zimbabwe team set the target of 235 runs for Pakistan team. Pakistan is still playing its turn and made 142 runs in 33 overs and gave 5 wickets. For Pakistan it is looking little difficult to win this match because they have already lost 5 wickets and now they needs 88 runs on 96 balls. Let see who will win.

Pakistan A team was unable to win the match. If I am being honest I was a little surprised to see the result of this match. I thought Pakistan A team is going to win the match. Sadly that did not happen. Zimbabwe A team was able to win. Zimbabwe actually performed well in the bowling department. They did well to restrict Pakistan from trying to get to the total. The batting of Pakistan was certainly questionable. But in one department I thought Pakistan should have done a lot better the bowling. But I have to say Pakistan actually failed to amaze.

[Sithara007]

Maybe, to me it doesn't look like the overconfidence. It looked like lack of experience, if not surely they could've won atleast the third match after coming this closer. They had a plan, on execution they failed. Playing few more series against top teams will make them progress well and learn how to handle similar match situations. Already the Gujarat Titans team manager Vikram Solanki have confirmed about Joshua Little back to the team after the Bangladesh series.

Good to hear that Josh Little is back to the Indian Premier League. Ireland management need to understand that IPL stints can be life-changing for their players. They asked Little to join their squad while the IPL was still on, and it cost him around $150,000 (a wild guess, given his contract value is around $536,000). And even with Little present in their squad, they failed to qualify for the ODI World Cup through the direct route. In the end, Little's presence didn't had much of an impact, although the player himself suffered financially.

[Ayers]

Maybe, to me it doesn't look like the overconfidence. It looked like lack of experience, if not surely they could've won atleast the third match after coming this closer. They had a plan, on execution they failed. Playing few more series against top teams will make them progress well and learn how to handle similar match situations. Already the Gujarat Titans team manager Vikram Solanki have confirmed about Joshua Little back to the team after the Bangladesh series.

Good to hear that Josh Little is back to the Indian Premier League. Ireland management need to understand that IPL stints can be life-changing for their players. They asked Little to join their squad while the IPL was still on, and it cost him around $150,000 (a wild guess, given his contract value is around $536,000). And even with Little present in their squad, they failed to qualify for the ODI World Cup through the direct route. In the end, Little's presence didn't had much of an impact, although the player himself suffered financially.

I don't think we can actually blame Josh Little. He did what he was supposed to. He put his duty towards his national team head of money. And I really like that decision from him. I know it did not matter too much in the end because they could not win any matches. But I would still say that he did the right thing.

At least Ireland did try very well to win. Even in the last match, Ireland performed really well. It was actually a lack of experience from Ireland. Otherwise, I don't see how Bangladesh should have won the last match. The actual sad part for the player is that he had to face a lot of financial penalties but he couldn't do much against Bangladesh.

[MusaPk]

Good to hear that Josh Little is back to the Indian Premier League. Ireland management need to understand that IPL stints can be life-changing for their players. They asked Little to join their squad while the IPL was still on, and it cost him around $150,000 (a wild guess, given his contract value is around $536,000). And even with Little present in their squad, they failed to qualify for the ODI World Cup through the direct route. In the end, Little's presence didn't had much of an impact, although the player himself suffered financially.

These days boards are preferring IPL over national duties. We saw recently new zealand board sending team to Pakistan without key players who were busy in IPL. Its because IPL gave money not only to players but to there respective boards too. Josh little alone can't do anything, if the team is struggling in both batting and bowling department.

[pakhitheboss]

I don't think we can actually blame Josh Little. He did what he was supposed to. He put his duty towards his national team head of money. And I really like that decision from him. I know it did not matter too much in the end because they could not win any matches. But I would still say that he did the right thing.

Actually you are wrong, what Little did was brilliant. Ireland is an upcoming team in cricket. Little might be the only player from Ireland playing in IPL. He got recognised in IPL because of his team. He just securing his berth and at the same time ensuring his seat as the next captain of Irish team.

Andrew Balbirnie is 32 year old with zero hopes of getting a place in IPL at the moment. He will retire in a few years or might get removed as a Captain after the WC, if they qualify or before the WC if they do no qualify. The next player that might get a chance is Little. Why? Because of IPL, his performance and his commitment to his team.

[Sithara007]

Actually you are wrong, what Little did was brilliant. Ireland is an upcoming team in cricket. Little might be the only player from Ireland playing in IPL. He got recognised in IPL because of his team. He just securing his berth and at the same time ensuring his seat as the next captain of Irish team.

Andrew Balbirnie is 32 year old with zero hopes of getting a place in IPL at the moment. He will retire in a few years or might get removed as a Captain after the WC, if they qualify or before the WC if they do no qualify. The next player that might get a chance is Little. Why? Because of IPL, his performance and his commitment to his team.

What has Andrew Balbirnie achieved so far? His performance as a captain has been as disastrous as his performance as a batsman. In case Josh Little is available, then nothing wrong in naming him as the replacement. But right now he is sought after in various T20 leagues around the world. Naming him as the captain will force him to reject attractive contracts from different T20 franchises around the world. One good thing for Ireland is that they have 3-4 youngsters coming up nicely - Josh Little, Harry Tector, Lorcan Tucker and Curtis Campher. But the problem is that in order to win, they need all the 11 players to perform and not just 4. And nowadays, although the younger players are performing well, the seniors are dragging the team down.

[Ayers]

I don't think we can actually blame Josh Little. He did what he was supposed to. He put his duty towards his national team head of money. And I really like that decision from him. I know it did not matter too much in the end because they could not win any matches. But I would still say that he did the right thing.

Actually you are wrong, what Little did was brilliant. Ireland is an upcoming team in cricket. Little might be the only player from Ireland playing in IPL. He got recognised in IPL because of his team. He just securing his berth and at the same time ensuring his seat as the next captain of Irish team.

Andrew Balbirnie is 32 year old with zero hopes of getting a place in IPL at the moment. He will retire in a few years or might get removed as a Captain after the WC, if they qualify or before the WC if they do no qualify. The next player that might get a chance is Little. Why? Because of IPL, his performance and his commitment to his team.

Well, I actually agree with you. And I am not going to say that I am wrong but I will say that we are both right.

You said that he is just making sure that he is going to be the next captain of Ireland. And how would he do that? He is going to take a financial loss by not playing or being with the IPL team and instead playing with his national team. And that's exactly what he did. As he is the first player to play in the IPL from Ireland as far as I know. I think he will also be able to popularize cricket in Ireland a lot more.

[Rabata]

Good to hear that Josh Little is back to the Indian Premier League. Ireland management need to understand that IPL stints can be life-changing for their players. They asked Little to join their squad while the IPL was still on, and it cost him around $150,000 (a wild guess, given his contract value is around $536,000). And even with Little present in their squad, they failed to qualify for the ODI World Cup through the direct route. In the end, Little's presence didn't had much of an impact, although the player himself suffered financially.

These days boards are preferring IPL over national duties. We saw recently new zealand board sending team to Pakistan without key players who were busy in IPL. Its because IPL gave money not only to players but to there respective boards too. Josh little alone can't do anything, if the team is struggling in both batting and bowling department.

Nowadays money is an important issue for everything. There is no way to ignore it. But from a responsible place there are definitely things that cannot be ignored. Pakistan is one of the strongest teams in cricket. So it is not reasonable to allow weaker team against them. But the New Zealand board had nothing alternative. Moreover, not only cricket, if you look at the football world the picture is the same. Footballers will join those clubs that pay more. What I understand is that in this age it is not possible to hold anything with emotions.

[romero121]

Good to hear that Josh Little is back to the Indian Premier League. Ireland management need to understand that IPL stints can be life-changing for their players. They asked Little to join their squad while the IPL was still on, and it cost him around $150,000 (a wild guess, given his contract value is around $536,000). And even with Little present in their squad, they failed to qualify for the ODI World Cup through the direct route. In the end, Little's presence didn't had much of an impact, although the player himself suffered financially.

These days boards are preferring IPL over national duties. We saw recently new zealand board sending team to Pakistan without key players who were busy in IPL. Its because IPL gave money not only to players but to there respective boards too. Josh little alone can't do anything, if the team is struggling in both batting and bowling department.

Nowadays money is an important issue for everything. There is no way to ignore it. But from a responsible place there are definitely things that cannot be ignored. Pakistan is one of the strongest teams in cricket. So it is not reasonable to allow weaker team against them. But the New Zealand board had nothing alternative. Moreover, not only cricket, if you look at the football world the picture is the same. Footballers will join those clubs that pay more. What I understand is that in this age it is not possible to hold anything with emotions.

Money is a factor, and the same have connect with emotions. We can't simply say there is no emotion with franchise based cricket and football leagues. Everything have got been started for some reason. With time the growth takes them to be more of money oriented and there is decline in the emotions. End of the day everything is business and we can't find a place where everything happens perfect. Everywhere we can see few boards or authorities dominant for some reason, same is happening with cricket.

[Sithara007]

Well, I actually agree with you. And I am not going to say that I am wrong but I will say that we are both right.

You said that he is just making sure that he is going to be the next captain of Ireland. And how would he do that? He is going to take a financial loss by not playing or being with the IPL team and instead playing with his national team. And that's exactly what he did. As he is the first player to play in the IPL from Ireland as far as I know. I think he will also be able to popularize cricket in Ireland a lot more.

Don't know whether I can agree with you guys. IMO, Josh Little will gain more by playing in the IPL. What he will gain by becoming the captain of the Ireland side? Ireland hardly gets any matches against the pig-4 and nowadays they can't even win against team such as Zimbabwe and Bangladesh. And there are rumors that IPL franchises are trying to enter into direct contracts with overseas players, which will allow them these players to take part in franchise T20 leagues year round. International cricket is rapidly becoming irrelevant, outside the ICC tournaments.

[Litzki1990]

Good to hear that Josh Little is back to the Indian Premier League. Ireland management need to understand that IPL stints can be life-changing for their players. They asked Little to join their squad while the IPL was still on, and it cost him around $150,000 (a wild guess, given his contract value is around $536,000). And even with Little present in their squad, they failed to qualify for the ODI World Cup through the direct route. In the end, Little's presence didn't had much of an impact, although the player himself suffered financially.

These days boards are preferring IPL over national duties. We saw recently new zealand board sending team to Pakistan without key players who were busy in IPL. Its because IPL gave money not only to players but to there respective boards too. Josh little alone can't do anything, if the team is struggling in both batting and bowling department.

When the IPL is on, there are usually very few bilateral series as most of the players from the teams that host the bilateral series do not participate in the IPL. These include Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe, Ireland. If a bilateral series is organized while the IPL is on then no channel wants to broadcast the bilateral series as most people usually watch the IPL when the IPL is on. Different players are allowed to play in the IPL during different series because the financial condition of the cricket board improves when the board has to pay a certain portion of the amount of money a player gets from the IPL.

[Naficopa]

Good to hear that Josh Little is back to the Indian Premier League. Ireland management need to understand that IPL stints can be life-changing for their players. They asked Little to join their squad while the IPL was still on, and it cost him around $150,000 (a wild guess, given his contract value is around $536,000). And even with Little present in their squad, they failed to qualify for the ODI World Cup through the direct route. In the end, Little's presence didn't had much of an impact, although the player himself suffered financially.

These days boards are preferring IPL over national duties. We saw recently new zealand board sending team to Pakistan without key players who were busy in IPL. Its because IPL gave money not only to players but to there respective boards too. Josh little alone can't do anything, if the team is struggling in both batting and bowling department.

When the IPL is on, there are usually very few bilateral series as most of the players from the teams that host the bilateral series do not participate in the IPL. These include Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe, Ireland. If a bilateral series is organized while the IPL is on then no channel wants to broadcast the bilateral series as most people usually watch the IPL when the IPL is on. Different players are allowed to play in the IPL during different series because the financial condition of the cricket board improves when the board has to pay a certain portion of the amount of money a player gets from the IPL.

Since you brought up IPL here, I would like to say that few Bangladeshi players get chance in this league but they are not highly respected in any match. As such, I think they are keeping Bangladeshi players low.