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November 28, 2020, 10:45:37 PM
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why does Idena price not go up when bitcoin price is down, is there any manipulation on the exchange? the price is always sideways in the range of 500 satoshi. how trader can get profit from this ?
I hope that Idena in the near future can add a large exchange so that Idena can be known by many people

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November 29, 2020, 01:43:45 AM
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why does Idena price not go up when bitcoin price is down, is there any manipulation on the exchange? the price is always sideways in the range of 500 satoshi. how trader can get profit from this ?
I hope that Idena in the near future can add a large exchange so that Idena can be known by many people
That's because idena is a new stable coin and it will soon replace tether

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November 29, 2020, 03:16:10 AM
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does anyone use My Idena mobile app for validation? is that even possible and how secure it is?
will not have access to my laptop for next validation session, so trying to figure out alternatives, is there any?

Lot of people report that they have passed validation on my_idena mobile app. No one reported any insecurities.
The question is, do you have node on VPS? If no, my_idena app will not help you.

Alternatives are, install AnyDesk free remote pc software which you can use on your mobile or other pc, to connect to your laptop during validation. Its little tricky you have pinch and zoom, but if you can use other pc to connect to your laptop, experience is great. Test it to see if it fits your needs.

Other option is to export your private key and use it to do validation using web app. For that you need to connect to someone's shared node. Idena developers host shared node but you must contact them over Telegram to get api key to connect to their shared node. Alternative to that is, I will host shared node also and you can contact me over telegram to get api key for connecting to my shared node. https://t.me/realRioda

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November 29, 2020, 06:39:26 AM
Last edit: November 29, 2020, 05:46:28 PM by realRioda
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Here is a page that will guide you towards doing web validation on my shared node. You will need to contact me on Telegram so i can reserve 1/50 spots for using shared node.

https://idena.site/web/




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November 29, 2020, 08:17:44 AM
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why does Idena price not go up when bitcoin price is down, is there any manipulation on the exchange? the price is always sideways in the range of 500 satoshi. how trader can get profit from this ?
I hope that Idena in the near future can add a large exchange so that Idena can be known by many people
That's because idena is a new stable coin and it will soon replace tether

why you said that Idena is a new stable coin ? price idena not same like tether, to transfer wallet tether very expensive if you compare with idena is very cheap. idena is a new type of coin the system is Proof-of-Person Blockchain. No money for stake or equipment needed, just an average laptop. You can easily join mining of the first human-centric cryptocurrency at idena.io and share your opinion.
I think Idena is a combination between etherum and stellar

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November 29, 2020, 12:06:14 PM
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Here is a page that will guide you towards doing web validation on my shared node. You will need to contact me on Telegram so i can reserve 1/50 spots for using shared node.

https://idena.site/web/

thanks for information, I will look into it, and contact you on telegram for a spot, seems exactly what I need, since I do not have a VPS node

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November 29, 2020, 02:07:55 PM
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That's because idena is a new stable coin and it will soon replace tether

It's a good joke, but in fact the demand for IDNA coins is low today. And as we all know from the laws of economics, the price is determined by supply and demand. When the team launches the oracle and the project finds its application on the market, then we will see the demand for the IDNA coin and therefore the price increase.

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November 30, 2020, 12:12:36 PM
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There is an opportunity to participate in the alpha-test Wink

Dear Idena community

We are thrilled to start Oracle voting alpha-testing. Please let us know whether you would like to join in. There are 24 nodes available in our private testnet.
In order to join the testing, please follow the steps:
1. Send a short pm to @AndrewIdena to request access to the test net node.
2. Download the Idena app 0.19.0-rc.4 version:
https://github.com/idena-network/idena-desktop/releases/tag/v0.19.0-rc.4
3. Open the Settings page and use provided credentials for the remote node connection.
4. Use the Oracle votings page to create votings.
5. Read more about how to create an Oracle voting:
https://medium.com/idena/how-to-create-an-oracle-voting-d6d837c2f9da
6. Participate in the votings submitted by other testers.
7. Enjoy the experiment!
There are two smart contracts that will be available soon for testing via RPC: OracleLock and OracleRefundableLock. These smart contracts allow to lock/unlock coins depending on Oracles decisions. In the near future we plan to run a hackathon to develop applications that will be using these 2 smart contracts and Oracle votings.

Source of information : https://t.me/IdenaAnnouncements/643

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November 30, 2020, 08:46:28 PM
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If oracles ever launch then the price may hit 10x or more. I think 20x will not be a surprised.

There is an opportunity to participate in the alpha-test Wink

Dear Idena community

We are thrilled to start Oracle voting alpha-testing. Please let us know whether you would like to join in. There are 24 nodes available in our private testnet.
In order to join the testing, please follow the steps:
1. Send a short pm to @AndrewIdena to request access to the test net node.
2. Download the Idena app 0.19.0-rc.4 version:
https://github.com/idena-network/idena-desktop/releases/tag/v0.19.0-rc.4
3. Open the Settings page and use provided credentials for the remote node connection.
4. Use the Oracle votings page to create votings.
5. Read more about how to create an Oracle voting:
https://medium.com/idena/how-to-create-an-oracle-voting-d6d837c2f9da
6. Participate in the votings submitted by other testers.
7. Enjoy the experiment!
There are two smart contracts that will be available soon for testing via RPC: OracleLock and OracleRefundableLock. These smart contracts allow to lock/unlock coins depending on Oracles decisions. In the near future we plan to run a hackathon to develop applications that will be using these 2 smart contracts and Oracle votings.

Source of information : https://t.me/IdenaAnnouncements/643

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" The Idena validation results

4994 identities are validated:
https://scan.idena.io/epoch/59/validation

Validation rewards paid:
https://scan.idena.io/epoch/59/rewards

Minimum Total score for Humans to get the second invitation and Verified to get an invitation: 100% "


Source: https://t.me/IdenaAnnouncements/651

Next validation: 18.12.2020

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December 01, 2020, 08:15:50 PM
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" The Idena validation results

4994 identities are validated:
https://scan.idena.io/epoch/59/validation

Validation rewards paid:
https://scan.idena.io/epoch/59/rewards

Minimum Total score for Humans to get the second invitation and Verified to get an invitation: 100% "


Source: https://t.me/IdenaAnnouncements/651

Next validation: 18.12.2020

Nothing to be happy about. Looks like our recent problem is still here. Fix presented bydevs did not help at all. 700 node farm is still alive (at least 90% of it passed validation) but it grow up with a lot of new 1 epoch old accounts (https://scan.idena.io/address/0xB41C357D7b2FE65E3ccF553d52994fC564067cca). Eather there is another bug (indefinite) or whole need is in serious shi..

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Devs said that they will create a post about this botnet / farm thing after they implement a solution. So let's wait for their research and explanations.

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December 01, 2020, 11:19:47 PM
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how do they determine the words that will be suggested to create new flips? it almost starts to frustrate me.
Need to create a flip story with "Convulsion, Fit, paroxysm and Cellar-Basement" words. wtf?

I'm also curious how bots handle cases like this? if someone created a bot that successfully does things like this, then he deserves a Nobel Prize.





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how do they determine the words that will be suggested to create new flips? it almost starts to frustrate me.
Need to create a flip story with "Convulsion, Fit, paroxysm and Cellar-Basement" words. wtf?

I'm also curious how bots handle cases like this? if someone created a bot that successfully does things like this, then he deserves a Nobel Prize.

Yeah, I agree, some pairs are impossible to make a story like Bolt & Biscuit, some words are very very strange and even with the description you can't understand what the word means like Ambition & Acquaintance

That's why since few epoch I only making 3 flips, since I don't want to get reported and loose all the rewards, even though I am Human.

In my opinion the words pair should be changed to only nouns not all the grammatical category words that exist. This is also one of the reason the flips are this bad, and you can't understand what the maker wanted to say.



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December 2, 2020: Idena vulnerability report
https://medium.com/idena/december-2-2020-idena-vulnerability-report-aa6c0be7ba3e

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Well, I wanted to try Idena web app on my Android phone using chrome browser and "Desktop site" option enabled.

I tried to do this validation after I finished with my regular validation on desktop app so I did not have much time left and I failed validation.
But the video has its purpose, to show you how the app looks and works on mobile, switch flip buttons are small for instance, but it is very usable for validation.
I was helping out untill last moment few people to switch to web validation, since they did not sync node in time, so I did not start recording from flip lottery.



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"We fixed bug, but farm is alive and looks like it was validated by humans."

After this announcment a guy came out on telegram claiming that he is owner of this farm and he did it using real human farm - all nodes are validated by humans ...


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There is a guy in RU chat who claimed, that he organized that farm.

He just proved it with this transaction:
https://scan.idena.io/address/0x989DAF4E639ea7438029fdBD3B04c79553F7164C

I asked to confirm sending some amount to top1 idena address
https://t.me/idena_trading/33290


https://t.me/idena_trading/33446

Things starts to be very interresting. I don't trust this guy. In my opinion he plays with IDENA as if it were chess battle but only he sees the board and we bet blindly.

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Devs spoke to him, we are yet to get response/oppinion on the situation. He came out in the open because people were talking about bots/scripts/bug/exploits, it is human pool. I guess he was afraid of getting their addresses killed and approached. Syd checked their flips, they were high quality, made with effort flips. Even used some actual memes for flips, like they are making flips because it is fun to them.



It's Dalik or Max on telegram. Funny guy.





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Syd - Idena Gang Today at 10:39 AM
My take on that subject...
It's good that it's not an IA/exploit bug. Like Sysy said here, what happens is the "game". Sad game, but it was always a legit risk for Idena (in that sense i always thought bugs in short session were an issue but bad flips were less, because it's "part of the human game", whether we like it or not). For me, Farms were always a problem and a risk, but it's also true that I didn't expect such scale that early.

I've looked a bit at the farmers, they all seem to have done good flips, i even saw funny memes in it. It's not even like they are putting no effort. It seems really russian-based  (so i would argue, a bit less clueless atm than indian or nigerian farmers). It seems like they kinda... "care?" I dont think only one guys do all the flips, right ? Anyway, why all accept to give all the power to one person ?  well it was said, money of course. But the scale of that thing that quickly, the fact also that it's not that "careless" , all of this makes me think that it has to be some trust that started the thing. Note also that they have many "humans" status and good results, and manage to achieve to get invites. That's why i unironically think it can be a russian "village" (at least at core) or something more than low paid workers from africa. We kinda need to realize us Westerners than not all the world has that individual logic : in many conservative countries, it's normal to give your vote to a third part. Back in time in France, the village gave the vote to the priest that would then represent them toward the King.
So now what to do?
In the short term, we actually need farms to fight each others (go help johnston Cheesy - if you didn't understand yet, for info, he is not the 600 guys farm owner). Farms will exist in idena, that's a certitude, we just need that it doesn't kill idena in its infancy, for that we need some kind of balance of power. Like bitcoin, that could have easily died in the very early stage, Idena is in the hardest period before we could scale and reach some turning point. I'm not that worried of the fact that a farm exist : it's more than only one guy managed to do that scale that is worrying.

In the medium term, there will be things to educate people, like watermarks, like many ideas we discussed. Make it EASY to validate. The most hardcore thing is to HF farmers like Ubi suggested. It's a big debate, kinda similar to ETH/ETC debate. Do we let only protocol decide or not ? Like Rioda said the issue is that the frontier is not everytime clear. And they will find ways to clear their marks if we do this... So i don't really like that idea. But good thing imo is that it put the business model at risk. Make CEOs doubt of the value of their organisation. Not very scientific reasoning, but to be unclear on that subject makes the business model more risky. Also that's why i liked the private key idea, even if lemoe made some good point against.
So to sum up: Educate people/Make validation ultra easy/Put the business model of farmers at risk everytime.

In the long run, we can't fight them in other manner than educate and hope for the best. And Scale, that's the only long run solution : making that even a 600 farm owner will own only a marginable part of the network. That's why the early stage are so difficult and why in some way i hope for some balance of power between farms for now...

Devs are talking and thinking about it they will tell their opinion to us soon hopefully.

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We got some more feedback for now...


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December 04, 2020, 10:33:17 AM
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What I don't understand about this "farmers" is: how can they pass validation as farmers but not on their own.

Anyways, if they are different individuals, I don't see anything wrong. If the farm owner managed to convince 500 people to work for him, or to give him a cut from the rewards, I see nothing wrong. Good for him, smart guy.

What I don't like is that the farm owner can dump the coins more easily than 500 unique wallets, but same is his decision to keep the coins or to dump them on the market, even though I don't like it.

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