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May 05, 2020, 02:35:55 AM
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This project looks like a dark horse I have not seen a project like this before the nearest I can compare to this project is Nano or Fermat which is mining by invitation only, will read more of this project and see how these things work here.

I agree, the project is unique. Idena will either make us rich like XRB did for others in the past or either go to zero. In the long run I mean. Either way, I like the ride..


I hope for the first one where we will all make money so far just after the halving price is not good it went down by 10%, that's a huge drop just after the validation, but we still have a long way to go, but if we are going to move on we need a good exchange, the number of people coming is a good indication that we are moving.

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I agree, the project is unique. Idena will either make us rich like XRB did for others in the past or either go to zero. In the long run I mean. Either way, I like the ride..

IDENA can be much more than NANO is. NANO is just a next "digital money" IDENA is a unique way to proof your humanity and ... "digital money". Will price fallow this? No one knows but proved humanity can be huge in current internet full of capchas. Latest update:

Latest update:
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Changes:
- Sign-in at third-party websites with the Idena app (see Idena blockchain explorer demo: https://scan.idena.io)
- Handling shortcut URLs for sending coins

An open format for dna:// shortcut is introduced. See more details about the Sign-in with Idena standard:
https://github.com/idena-network/idena-desktop/wiki/DNA-url


I hope for the first one where we will all make money so far just after the halving price is not good it went down by 10%, that's a huge drop just after the validation, but we still have a long way to go, but if we are going to move on we need a good exchange, the number of people coming is a good indication that we are moving.

In fact current price and awareness is enough to provide constant 15-20% per epoch network grow. It's more than enough - network is not able to grow faster. If we would see one listing after another and price pump to 1$ than we would see spam of new members that would bounce from invitation limit and leave. Current price and team attitude to exchange listing provides organic network growth and build long term fundamental value at the expense of early adopters that are not able to dump their bags because of low market depth.

In other words. Listing on binance will bring us 10 000 new members willing to join network. 2000 node network can accept max of 500-600 new members during 1 epoch. 9400 will have to wait for next validation - most likely will resign. When we will have 20 000 nodes while being listed on binance we will accept 5-6k new members - network will profit more from listing.

Other thing is that to have 20 000 nodes we need at least 0.5$ per DNA (or real use case that will make people stay) and few medium-size listings might be necessary but only when network grow is slowing down. It isn't now.




When listing will be necessary for network Andrew will be ready:

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When are you going to start with listing Idena on bigger exchanges with more volume?
We are in contact with some bigger exchanges that could be interested and are ready to support our project. Any inputs from the community would be helpful here.
Can you tell us the names of exchanges in contact which could possibly list DNA?
Some of them are Tier 1, we cannot disclose the information now.
https://medium.com/idena/april-22-2020-idena-ama-transcript-cbdfc33fbbdb
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May 06, 2020, 06:21:55 AM
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Reaching human status is really hard.
If you are very lucky you might get 1 invite every now and then while the mods and admins have unlimited invites which is unfair.

This project has a good idea but proving your a human is way too hard and the effort of doing this weekly is not worth it.
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May 06, 2020, 07:50:47 AM
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Reaching human status is really hard.
If you are very lucky you might get 1 invite every now and then while the mods and admins have unlimited invites which is unfair.

This project has a good idea but proving your a human is way too hard and the effort of doing this weekly is not worth it.

Actually last epoch I had no one to give my invite, so there are plenty of invites out there.
The human status: indeed, it is a bit hard due to the bad flips some users are creating, mostly bots.
As for the validation, is almost 2 weeks now which is OK for me, at least. Back in the days it was twice a week.

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May 06, 2020, 08:13:05 AM
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Reaching human status is really hard.
If you are very lucky you might get 1 invite every now and then while the mods and admins have unlimited invites which is unfair.

This project has a good idea but proving your a human is way too hard and the effort of doing this weekly is not worth it.

Actually last epoch I had no one to give my invite, so there are plenty of invites out there.
The human status: indeed, it is a bit hard due to the bad flips some users are creating, mostly bots.
As for the validation, is almost 2 weeks now which is OK for me, at least. Back in the days it was twice a week.

There is many people on Discord asking for invites.
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May 06, 2020, 10:04:53 AM
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There is many people on Discord asking for invites.

Hmmm strange...  Maybe now they are, last time I posted on discord ,last week or so, that I have available invites and no one PMed me. From what I see now way more people are trying to give invites, than asking.
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May 06, 2020, 12:12:10 PM
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Reaching human status is really hard.
If you are very lucky you might get 1 invite every now and then while the mods and admins have unlimited invites which is unfair.

This project has a good idea but proving your a human is way too hard and the effort of doing this weekly is not worth it.

Actually last epoch I had no one to give my invite, so there are plenty of invites out there.
The human status: indeed, it is a bit hard due to the bad flips some users are creating, mostly bots.
As for the validation, is almost 2 weeks now which is OK for me, at least. Back in the days it was twice a week.

I don't really think so, if you want invite I can give you. The real problem is that many are not able to pass first step of validation, really hard to find serious people who don't miss validation round.

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I don't really think so, if you want invite I can give you. The real problem is that many are not able to pass first step of validation, really hard to find serious people who don't miss validation round.

I failed my first validation but I got it in my second, but things are better now because we have flipping school and many are creating good flips, it's not really these newbies, it's also on those bad flips that should be blamed, if the flip is good, even newbies have chances to pass the validation on their first try.
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May 06, 2020, 09:37:12 PM
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If anyone has some good ideas, suggestions and propositions regarding voting for community funds in Idena
you can do it in discord:
https://discord.gg/8BusRj7
#voting-proposal-discussion

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I don't really think so, if you want invite I can give you. The real problem is that many are not able to pass first step of validation, really hard to find serious people who don't miss validation round.

Well, I don't need invites, I also want to give mine away to any newbie joining the project/network but it seems that no one is interested anymore since there are a lot of people who have invite nowadays, some even 2 (humans) + the invites issued by the team.

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May 08, 2020, 02:42:34 AM
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I don't really think so, if you want invite I can give you. The real problem is that many are not able to pass first step of validation, really hard to find serious people who don't miss validation round.

Well, I don't need invites, I also want to give mine away to any newbie joining the project/network but it seems that no one is interested anymore since there are a lot of people who have invite nowadays, some even 2 (humans) + the invites issued by the team.

I'm glad that selling invite is not existing here anymore it keeps the community clean, with so many people getting validated there are more invites to give for beginners, I still believe that IDENA has a good potential in the industry a year from now it will cover a lot,many developers will come in to contribute to this project.

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I'm glad that selling invite is not existing here anymore it keeps the community clean, with so many people getting validated there are more invites to give for beginners, I still believe that IDENA has a good potential in the industry a year from now it will cover a lot,many developers will come in to contribute to this project.

Looking back, I think only one community member (bitcointalk user) was selling invites, railai if my memory serves.
Regarding the Idena potential, well it feels like XRB back in 2017, not many people were involved, and the ones who were got rich.

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May 09, 2020, 09:58:16 PM
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I'm glad that selling invite is not existing here anymore it keeps the community clean, with so many people getting validated there are more invites to give for beginners, I still believe that IDENA has a good potential in the industry a year from now it will cover a lot,many developers will come in to contribute to this project.

Looking back, I think only one community member (bitcointalk user) was selling invites, railai if my memory serves.
Regarding the Idena potential, well it feels like XRB back in 2017, not many people were involved, and the ones who were got rich.

Selling invite code is actually not very good, considering that this project requires a large community to realize and make it successful. Of course most people will not want to reach into their wallet just to buy the invite code. There are still many ways to get the invite code including following the idena flip school (telegram group).

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May 10, 2020, 10:00:16 AM
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I'm glad that selling invite is not existing here anymore it keeps the community clean, with so many people getting validated there are more invites to give for beginners, I still believe that IDENA has a good potential in the industry a year from now it will cover a lot,many developers will come in to contribute to this project.

Looking back, I think only one community member (bitcointalk user) was selling invites, railai if my memory serves.
Regarding the Idena potential, well it feels like XRB back in 2017, not many people were involved, and the ones who were got rich.

Selling invite code is actually not very good, considering that this project requires a large community to realize and make it successful. Of course most people will not want to reach into their wallet just to buy the invite code. There are still many ways to get the invite code including following the idena flip school (telegram group).

yeah, it is an easy task to do, and you can get invite after hour of work, learning something new, which is quite good to let people know what is Idena, because if you just buy an invite, you will not learn about the project that much, i think it is a great idea for the project

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I'm glad that selling invite is not existing here anymore it keeps the community clean, with so many people getting validated there are more invites to give for beginners, I still believe that IDENA has a good potential in the industry a year from now it will cover a lot,many developers will come in to contribute to this project.

Looking back, I think only one community member (bitcointalk user) was selling invites, railai if my memory serves.
Regarding the Idena potential, well it feels like XRB back in 2017, not many people were involved, and the ones who were got rich.

Selling invite code is actually not very good, considering that this project requires a large community to realize and make it successful. Of course most people will not want to reach into their wallet just to buy the invite code. There are still many ways to get the invite code including following the idena flip school (telegram group).

I seldom checked the telegram channel before the validation time, many people are sending invitation code in the channel, now this is good, in the past new members are having a hard time getting on and since they have a hard time getting one they leave the community, one of my friend have to wait for two weeks to get his invitation code.

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I seldom checked the telegram channel before the validation time, many people are sending invitation code in the channel, now this is good, in the past new members are having a hard time getting on and since they have a hard time getting one they leave the community, one of my friend have to wait for two weeks to get his invitation code.

Yes now there is a lot of available invites for newcomers, back in the days when I joined only from the team I could get an invite.
Is funny that people in here are still saying that is hard to get an invite and on my side I find it hard to give it away.

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This is not true. And you know it.
Many users have 2 nodes in 2 virtual machines on the same PC. And there are those who have 3 nodes.
Therefore, really unique people, well, maybe 600.
Not a great achievement for a coin which is 2 years old.

You are wrong. 95-98% of idena nodes are unique person. Those 2-5% did not yet realised that it is more profitable to have 1 node with 98% score than 2 nodes with 80% and no invitations (thanks to update with human status and 2 invitation per human and 6 flips per short session) - soon they will. People claim that they have 2 nodes only because they have friends/family member that validates second node. Just like my wife just become human during last validation. But it's still 1 person 1 vote. Just like during elections. You can write an authorization that someone else can represent you. Like i manage a node of my wife that she validates.
Such a serious statement requires evidence on your part.
How did you calculate these 98% unique nodes?
All users personally reported to you that the second node is for the wife?
I read in a Chinese unofficial chat, and there many people made two nodes exclusively for themselves, not for the wives of relatives.
In general, please provide evidence of 98% uniqueness of nodes.
At this stage, it’s just your words are not confirmed by anything.

3. Official coin Administrator (maybe one of the Dev team) urge to kill invitations from those people who make bad flips (bad in their opinion).
....
And nothing has changed. All of these points still indicate that the actions of developers (and 101% Admin) contradict decentralization.
In centralized network Admin will go and kill nodes by himself. He would not need to convince others. This is decentralized network. Dev's gives us tools and SUGGEST what to do with them. We ... unique nodes decide what to do with them. Majority of the nodes decides what's profitable or not and what's good or not for network.
They only gives us tools. We use them or not. 100% decentralized network.
No it's not 100% decentralized network until other points exist
Why is this project not decentralized (as stated on the main site):

1. You cannot dispose of your property. You generate (mining) invitations, but you cannot sell them, you can only give them out for free. Because the developers intentionally do not disable the termination of newbies and candidates.
2. Candidates and newbies are always at risk of being "killed".

3. Official coin Administrator (maybe one of the Dev team) urge to kill invitations from those people who make bad flips (bad in their opinion).
Here are some screenshots.
Admin calls for killing those who make bad flips:
https://i.imgur.com/ltADmRh.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/UBBXxUX.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Aiw9SV1.jpg
4. Developers urge to send reports on bad flips - flips with porn, with politics and so on. But what about the freedom of speech mentioned on the main site?
5. Incredibly huge premine.

As a result, for each of these points, you depend on the third party. Is this decentralization? No. This is totalitarian control.
-All network users should have equal rights. There should not be anyone who can be "killed".
-There should be no censorship.
-You should have the full rights to dispose of your invitations, because this is your property. But the developers specifically limit you in your rights (to sell invitations), because they do not disable the "killing" of newcomers.

This huge amount of traffic from this coin...
10-15 gigabytes per day easily!
If you have a weak router - you need vps.
If you do not have unlimited traffic - you need vps.
If you have a weak provider - you need vps.
Still the lowest entry point for mining crypto world has even seen.
Very, very controversial statement.
A powerful high-quality router is expensive everywhere.
Unlimited Internet in some countries is very expensive or it doesn't exist at all.

In other coins, all you need to do is set up the CPU / GPU / ASIC, connect to pool and you're done.
And here in Idena again the third party - VPS.
Third party provider, which you need to pay, monthly / annually.
You need to register there, provide your data.
Do not be a noob to configure a Linux server via SSH in a terminal without a graphical interface.
Having a third party always increases the risk of being hacked.

So many extra nuances ...
But numbering can be smart.
You can number flips with emoticons, figures, lines, dots, the number of angles of a star, and anything else. Turn on fantasy.
But not just the numbers printed on the picture, which can be recognized by bots.

But it still makes no sense.
AI is the future. AI-resistant - not.

Numbered flips, no matter if "figures, lines, dots" is dozens times easier for AI to solve. If you do a network that is easy for AI to cheat than you are simply doing POW. It's POP.
As i said before - AI-resistant coin in our world where all areas of life are automated more and more every day is dumb idea.
But if you so want to do it, i suggested you replace the flips
This might work out. Different cultures takes it to different understanding and different creation, there are so many differences between how we see stuffs arround us.

And as you said earlier, no censorship, stop sending the idea to any newbie coming that he needs to take invite only from dev bc his identity will be killed. Or how they did after this epoch, cutted 200 verified members out of their rights to invite. But ofc older shillers here, they won't care. They care only to shill everything the dev is saying

This makes completely no sense. How you imagine Proof of Person blockchain without test who is human who is bot? Bitcoin has POW algorithm to prevent from cheating the network, NEO has POS, idena has POP that is ... as Vitalik said... "proof-of-unique-human is going to be a very valuable primitive for applications in the years to come." and we are here developing it and being first adopters of something massive. Bunch of trolling accounts will not change it.

All of your (troll spam farm) suggestions would kill network in a matter of 1 validation. It's like - lets turn off mining difficulty for bitcoin - everyone should have right to mine it with old PC.

And Railai replied to my post where I suggested disabling these pictures and replacing them with Slide Captcha with puzzle.
https://www.geetest.com/en
If Binance use it to protect against bots, then why not take an example from them?

This makes completely no sense. How you imagine Proof of Person blockchain without test who is human who is bot?
Maybe you missed this my message
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5194871.msg54179460#msg54179460
Why is this check that you are not a bot worse than flips?
Do you think fools work in Binance?


Thank you, LaaMos!
that's what I’m talking about, thanks for the detailed explanation

And don't waste your time on tytanowy janusz...he's from poland...you know what it means...


And don't forget to number the flips!
Number in any way:
1,2,3,4
or
. .. ... ....
or
l ll lll lV
or
A B C D

Don't worry about the developers.
Now we have to solve 6 flips, not 5. And it will take more time!
Let's help each other, do not report such flips.
We are all here to mine more coins and make more money.
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You are sick dude!
If you put numbers or letters on the flips they will get reported and you won't get anything in return. Also the flips won't get on the Short session, so is useless to put numbers/letters on them.

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May 12, 2020, 12:38:46 PM
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Five days left for next Idena validation.
Do not wait last moments to create flips.
Make flips and update node/wallet early and be ready and synced for validation.

Also note that in next few days Hard-fork is expected:
https://medium.com/idena/idena-hard-fork-announcement-8271b7fc9b0c

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May 13, 2020, 06:19:09 AM
Last edit: May 13, 2020, 06:29:15 AM by Tytanowy Janusz
 #980

You are sick dude!
If you put numbers or letters on the flips they will get reported and you won't get anything in return. Also the flips won't get on the Short session, so is useless to put numbers/letters on them.

Just repot it and ignore it. There are reasons for that:
1 - racism
2 - huge quote with 2 useless sentences at the bottom just to add spam content 3rd time:

1st: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5194871.msg53947982#msg53947982
2nd: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5194871.msg53952325#msg53952325 (blue and bold and size+)
3rd: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5194871.msg54408908#msg54408908 (bold and size+)
 + 2 self quotes just to bumb spam content.

By the way. I think it is worth to pass it here from telegram:

Quote from: ENDOGEN
there are a few reasons:
- it is compatible to ETH. it could be easily used for voting in the ETH ecosystem
- it's unique. totally new, no fork. this is solid and exactly what the world needs right now: guaranteeing a 1:1 relation between node and user (more or less 1:1. doesn't matter if 1:2 is possible or not)
- there are hints that this is being developed with some hidden force in the background that will push it hard in the future (forget this one if you are not into visions. but i derived to that conclusion. will not give details)
- it's the only identity based crypto project that doesn't need KYC
- no bullshit PoW or PoS. actually every node does valuable work and directly participated
- general view that you get if you are around for a longer time: the projects just grows big like crazy! devs didn't even plan to be listed, qTrade still listed them. others pay $10k to get listed anywhere.
- community is decent. community devs are growing from day to day and deliver valuable extensions and software in general and interact with main devs nicely
- there are some huge business ideas floating around that are only possible with this style of project (won't get into details since diffrent guys are working on different ideas)
- super solid project from the beginning. nothing half baked. code-wise it's all fine and done nicely - not like there are no issues, but codebase is much better than a lot of other coins
- some heavyweight (in crypto) are into IDENA. you don't know but i know since i know some of them. it's not like i am something in crypto but i know guys that are 😊
- just my general intuition after being around from epoch 14...
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