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April 08, 2020, 09:39:23 AM
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Two days until next Idena Validation.
Make sure you have the latest update and be ready on time.

Community made tutorials for making a good flip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nsDJJzyth4
https://steemit.com/blockchain/@condra/idena-network-how-to-make-a-good-flip

If you are validated member remember to submit minimum 3 flips.
https://idena.io/

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April 09, 2020, 12:42:08 AM
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If you so want to prove that you are a Person, not bots, to counter the Sybil attack, which no one is using and from which no coin has yet been harmed, how do you like this idea?

Remove these flips completely.
They are not needed.
We are really all different people with different cultures, different logic, different sense of humor, etc.
And actually it all reminds Google captcha and it annoys everyone and is outdated.

Take an example from Binance. The most modern and multi-functional trading platform.
But do they use Google captcha to protect against bots? No.
They use a Slide Captcha with puzzle.
https://www.geetest.com/en
So implement it in your coin instead of pictures.
Devs can leave the opportunity for users to create these puzzles themselves through the tools built into the wallet.
They can be done by the developers themselves. Or you can connect geetest website.
As you wish.
But the main thing, now in validations, there will be no misunderstanding what this flip means. And no numbering needs.
All people assemble puzzles the same way, regardless of cultural or any other differences.
And that’s all, no problem.
3-5 puzzles is enough.


This might work out. Different cultures takes it to different understanding and different creation, there are so many differences between how we see stuffs arround us.

And as you said earlier, no censorship, stop sending the idea to any newbie coming that he needs to take invite only from dev bc his identity will be killed. Or how they did after this epoch, cutted 200 verified members out of their rights to invite. But ofc older shillers here, they won't care. They care only to shill everything the dev is saying

She's crazy like a fool.
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This is not true. And you know it.
Many users have 2 nodes in 2 virtual machines on the same PC. And there are those who have 3 nodes.
Therefore, really unique people, well, maybe 600.
Not a great achievement for a coin which is 2 years old.

You are wrong. 95-98% of idena nodes are unique person. Those 2-5% did not yet realised that it is more profitable to have 1 node with 98% score than 2 nodes with 80% and no invitations (thanks to update with human status and 2 invitation per human and 6 flips per short session) - soon they will. People claim that they have 2 nodes only because they have friends/family member that validates second node. Just like my wife just become human during last validation. But it's still 1 person 1 vote. Just like during elections. You can write an authorization that someone else can represent you. Like i manage a node of my wife that she validates.

3. Official coin Administrator (maybe one of the Dev team) urge to kill invitations from those people who make bad flips (bad in their opinion).
....
And nothing has changed. All of these points still indicate that the actions of developers (and 101% Admin) contradict decentralization.
In centralized network Admin will go and kill nodes by himself. He would not need to convince others. This is decentralized network. Dev's gives us tools and SUGGEST what to do with them. We ... unique nodes decide what to do with them. Majority of the nodes decides what's profitable or not and what's good or not for network.
They only gives us tools. We use them or not. 100% decentralized network.

This huge amount of traffic from this coin...
10-15 gigabytes per day easily!
If you have a weak router - you need vps.
If you do not have unlimited traffic - you need vps.
If you have a weak provider - you need vps.
Still the lowest entry point for mining crypto world has even seen.

But numbering can be smart.
You can number flips with emoticons, figures, lines, dots, the number of angles of a star, and anything else. Turn on fantasy.
But not just the numbers printed on the picture, which can be recognized by bots.

But it still makes no sense.
AI is the future. AI-resistant - not.

Numbered flips, no matter if "figures, lines, dots" is dozens times easier for AI to solve. If you do a network that is easy for AI to cheat than you are simply doing POW. It's POP.

This might work out. Different cultures takes it to different understanding and different creation, there are so many differences between how we see stuffs arround us.

And as you said earlier, no censorship, stop sending the idea to any newbie coming that he needs to take invite only from dev bc his identity will be killed. Or how they did after this epoch, cutted 200 verified members out of their rights to invite. But ofc older shillers here, they won't care. They care only to shill everything the dev is saying

This makes completely no sense. How you imagine Proof of Person blockchain without test who is human who is bot? Bitcoin has POW algorithm to prevent from cheating the network, NEO has POS, idena has POP that is ... as Vitalik said... "proof-of-unique-human is going to be a very valuable primitive for applications in the years to come." and we are here developing it and being first adopters of something massive. Bunch of trolling accounts will not change it.

All of your (troll spam farm) suggestions would kill network in a matter of 1 validation. It's like - lets turn off mining difficulty for bitcoin - everyone should have right to mine it with old PC.
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April 09, 2020, 08:17:19 AM
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10-15 gigabytes per day easily!
That would be a fair old chunk of data, depends how spread out it is.  Its not totally beyond normal for those already on a good link.

5 days until next Idena validation.
Be ready

Is there time within 5 days for people new to the project to get involved or is this more a deadline for people already setup.  I'm definitely going to follow OP instructions because it seems a good challenge to the status quo just wondering if time is short especially.

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There is no coin that you can mine with such low entry barrier. There is no coin that is more decentralized
Those are things I like to hear, crypto has to ultimately engage the whole population so society benefits from utility of a blockchain without requiring expertise at the ground level.

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April 09, 2020, 09:35:36 AM
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Tomorrow it is the holly validation. Be ready Smiley

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April 09, 2020, 09:39:35 AM
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Is there time within 5 days for people new to the project to get involved or is this more a deadline for people already setup.  I'm definitely going to follow OP instructions because it seems a good challenge to the status quo just wondering if time is short especially.

No time limit.
You can join Idena community anytime you want.
Do some basic reading of Idena FAQ on idena.io website.
Download wallet and practice making flips (watch how-to tutorials)
You can show your flip making skills in Discord and get invitation.

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April 09, 2020, 12:19:00 PM
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This is not true. And you know it.
Many users have 2 nodes in 2 virtual machines on the same PC. And there are those who have 3 nodes.
Therefore, really unique people, well, maybe 600.
Not a great achievement for a coin which is 2 years old.

You are wrong. 95-98% of idena nodes are unique person. Those 2-5% did not yet realised that it is more profitable to have 1 node with 98% score than 2 nodes with 80% and no invitations (thanks to update with human status and 2 invitation per human and 6 flips per short session) - soon they will. People claim that they have 2 nodes only because they have friends/family member that validates second node. Just like my wife just become human during last validation. But it's still 1 person 1 vote. Just like during elections. You can write an authorization that someone else can represent you. Like i manage a node of my wife that she validates.
Such a serious statement requires evidence on your part.
How did you calculate these 98% unique nodes?
All users personally reported to you that the second node is for the wife?
I read in a Chinese unofficial chat, and there many people made two nodes exclusively for themselves, not for the wives of relatives.
In general, please provide evidence of 98% uniqueness of nodes.
At this stage, it’s just your words are not confirmed by anything.

3. Official coin Administrator (maybe one of the Dev team) urge to kill invitations from those people who make bad flips (bad in their opinion).
....
And nothing has changed. All of these points still indicate that the actions of developers (and 101% Admin) contradict decentralization.
In centralized network Admin will go and kill nodes by himself. He would not need to convince others. This is decentralized network. Dev's gives us tools and SUGGEST what to do with them. We ... unique nodes decide what to do with them. Majority of the nodes decides what's profitable or not and what's good or not for network.
They only gives us tools. We use them or not. 100% decentralized network.
No it's not 100% decentralized network until other points exist
Why is this project not decentralized (as stated on the main site):

1. You cannot dispose of your property. You generate (mining) invitations, but you cannot sell them, you can only give them out for free. Because the developers intentionally do not disable the termination of newbies and candidates.
2. Candidates and newbies are always at risk of being "killed".

3. Official coin Administrator (maybe one of the Dev team) urge to kill invitations from those people who make bad flips (bad in their opinion).
Here are some screenshots.
Admin calls for killing those who make bad flips:
https://i.imgur.com/ltADmRh.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/UBBXxUX.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Aiw9SV1.jpg
4. Developers urge to send reports on bad flips - flips with porn, with politics and so on. But what about the freedom of speech mentioned on the main site?
5. Incredibly huge premine.

As a result, for each of these points, you depend on the third party. Is this decentralization? No. This is totalitarian control.
-All network users should have equal rights. There should not be anyone who can be "killed".
-There should be no censorship.
-You should have the full rights to dispose of your invitations, because this is your property. But the developers specifically limit you in your rights (to sell invitations), because they do not disable the "killing" of newcomers.

This huge amount of traffic from this coin...
10-15 gigabytes per day easily!
If you have a weak router - you need vps.
If you do not have unlimited traffic - you need vps.
If you have a weak provider - you need vps.
Still the lowest entry point for mining crypto world has even seen.
Very, very controversial statement.
A powerful high-quality router is expensive everywhere.
Unlimited Internet in some countries is very expensive or it doesn't exist at all.

In other coins, all you need to do is set up the CPU / GPU / ASIC, connect to pool and you're done.
And here in Idena again the third party - VPS.
Third party provider, which you need to pay, monthly / annually.
You need to register there, provide your data.
Do not be a noob to configure a Linux server via SSH in a terminal without a graphical interface.
Having a third party always increases the risk of being hacked.

So many extra nuances ...
But numbering can be smart.
You can number flips with emoticons, figures, lines, dots, the number of angles of a star, and anything else. Turn on fantasy.
But not just the numbers printed on the picture, which can be recognized by bots.

But it still makes no sense.
AI is the future. AI-resistant - not.

Numbered flips, no matter if "figures, lines, dots" is dozens times easier for AI to solve. If you do a network that is easy for AI to cheat than you are simply doing POW. It's POP.
As i said before - AI-resistant coin in our world where all areas of life are automated more and more every day is dumb idea.
But if you so want to do it, i suggested you replace the flips
This might work out. Different cultures takes it to different understanding and different creation, there are so many differences between how we see stuffs arround us.

And as you said earlier, no censorship, stop sending the idea to any newbie coming that he needs to take invite only from dev bc his identity will be killed. Or how they did after this epoch, cutted 200 verified members out of their rights to invite. But ofc older shillers here, they won't care. They care only to shill everything the dev is saying

This makes completely no sense. How you imagine Proof of Person blockchain without test who is human who is bot? Bitcoin has POW algorithm to prevent from cheating the network, NEO has POS, idena has POP that is ... as Vitalik said... "proof-of-unique-human is going to be a very valuable primitive for applications in the years to come." and we are here developing it and being first adopters of something massive. Bunch of trolling accounts will not change it.

All of your (troll spam farm) suggestions would kill network in a matter of 1 validation. It's like - lets turn off mining difficulty for bitcoin - everyone should have right to mine it with old PC.

And Railai replied to my post where I suggested disabling these pictures and replacing them with Slide Captcha with puzzle.
https://www.geetest.com/en
If Binance use it to protect against bots, then why not take an example from them?

This makes completely no sense. How you imagine Proof of Person blockchain without test who is human who is bot?
Maybe you missed this my message
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5194871.msg54179460#msg54179460
Why is this check that you are not a bot worse than flips?
Do you think fools work in Binance?


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April 09, 2020, 12:29:03 PM
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10-15 gigabytes per day easily!
That would be a fair old chunk of data, depends how spread out it is.  Its not totally beyond normal for those already on a good link.
No, it's not.
Regardless of whether you deleted the blockchain data or not,
every day you will download and upload around 10-15 GB.
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April 09, 2020, 04:04:45 PM
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Hi...i need invite code, give me invite code please
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April 09, 2020, 05:39:26 PM
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Hi...i need invite code, give me invite code please

Go to official Idena discord:
https://discord.gg/uJbkuJg

Read basic Idena FAQ on and ask for more information about it on Discord and Telegram.
Please note that next validation is in less than one day.


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Idena Announcements

1690 identities are validated:
https://scan.idena.io/validation?epoch=42

Validation rewards paid:
https://scan.idena.io/rewards?epoch=42

Minimum Total score for Verified account invitations: 91.304%
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Idena Announcements

1690 identities are validated:
https://scan.idena.io/validation?epoch=42

Validation rewards paid:
https://scan.idena.io/rewards?epoch=42

Minimum Total score for Verified account invitations: 91.304%

Good stats and growth.
We really need active people with real suggestions to prevent nsfw stuff and bs bad flips posting.
Constructive criticism is always welcomed.
Please vote on community Discord:
https://discord.gg/uJbkuJg

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Such a serious statement requires evidence on your part.
How did you calculate these 98% unique nodes?
Just my assumption based on 25 passed validations. It's simply not worth to have 2 nodes if you can't maintain 92% score on both.
Your assumption is based on gossip from Chinese unofficial chat (majority of network is from Europe)


Truth might be somewhere between. It might be 95%, 90%.

No it's not 100% decentralized network until other points exist
I thought that you were joking, because all of them are equally stupid. They are misleading statements or simply lies. I'll choose random 1 because I don't want to waste time on someone's vomit.

4. Developers urge to send reports on bad flips - flips with porn, with politics and so on. But what about the freedom of speech mentioned on the main site?
They give you tools and suggest how to use them. There is no obligation to report bad flips. Just like with p 3. This tool is also made mostly to report flips that are irrelevant to keywords to avoid someone submits the same flip dozen times without even looking at keywords (it lowers network security). I've never reported porn or politics because i would rather see (validation is easier) flip that is logical and relevant to keywords with porn than stupid flip without porn. Again ... this is only a tool that you can use whatever you want. Majority of network decide if your porn flip will be awarded or not.

I don't know if i want to go deeper into this but lets go with one last statement before i'll mute this paid FUD maker:

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Still the lowest entry point for mining crypto world has even seen.
Very, very controversial statement.
A powerful high-quality router is expensive everywhere.
Unlimited Internet in some countries is very expensive or it doesn't exist at all.

In other coins, all you need to do is set up the CPU / GPU / ASIC, connect to pool and you're done.

So you are saying that 3000$ antminer is cheaper than 30$ router? Or 5$ monthly VPS? And you are saying that mining bitcoin does not require internet connection? You know how much electricity it consumes? You know that even with the best hardware POW might not be profitable if you don't have access to cheap electricity.
You also write something that it is hard to set node for a newbie?


41% of nodes are first time miners.

That's the end. I'm done proving that the earth is not flat.

1690 identities are validated:
https://scan.idena.io/validation?epoch=42
26% growth.



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April 11, 2020, 05:29:35 PM
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This sounded like fun for a minute, but only a minute. once a thinking person puts the numbers to it, it falls apart like a bad ERC20 ICO.

Look for Tati and RaiLai to fill the posts with bullshit and distrcactions while lying about the true nature of the coin.

nobody is interested because its a top down scam with the creator owning all of it and the miners being a bunch of low iq idiots trying to drum up support. but no exchange would ever takes this on because its owned by an anonymous scammer with a shady history. all it can ever do is trade on some bad exchange where there is no volume.

Its a very easy and clear scam. there is 0 interest in the coin so the plan of late has been to pretend there is a community on discord and telegram, that's why all these scammers are pulling you away from here with rewards codes and other nonsense. its truly flawed and a scam and i feel sorry for the few that are so stupid to not be able to see between the lines.

Remove the 3 scammers pumping it and this coin isn't even alive.
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This sounded like fun for a minute, but only a minute. once a thinking person puts the numbers to it, it falls apart like a bad ERC20 ICO.

Look for Tati and RaiLai to fill the posts with bullshit and distrcactions while lying about the true nature of the coin.

nobody is interested because its a top down scam with the creator owning all of it and the miners being a bunch of low iq idiots trying to drum up support. but no exchange would ever takes this on because its owned by an anonymous scammer with a shady history. all it can ever do is trade on some bad exchange where there is no volume.

Its a very easy and clear scam. there is 0 interest in the coin so the plan of late has been to pretend there is a community on discord and telegram, that's why all these scammers are pulling you away from here with rewards codes and other nonsense. its truly flawed and a scam and i feel sorry for the few that are so stupid to not be able to see between the lines.

Remove the 3 scammers pumping it and this coin isn't even alive.


Ok, it has half the premine of ETH. So it must be a scam.
And it is growing only more than 20 % each validation, so it seems to be realy dead.
*irony off
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This sounded like fun for a minute, but only a minute. once a thinking person puts the numbers to it, it falls apart like a bad ERC20 ICO.

Look for Tati and RaiLai to fill the posts with bullshit and distrcactions while lying about the true nature of the coin.

nobody is interested because its a top down scam with the creator owning all of it and the miners being a bunch of low iq idiots trying to drum up support. but no exchange would ever takes this on because its owned by an anonymous scammer with a shady history. all it can ever do is trade on some bad exchange where there is no volume.

Its a very easy and clear scam. there is 0 interest in the coin so the plan of late has been to pretend there is a community on discord and telegram, that's why all these scammers are pulling you away from here with rewards codes and other nonsense. its truly flawed and a scam and i feel sorry for the few that are so stupid to not be able to see between the lines.

Remove the 3 scammers pumping it and this coin isn't even alive.

Tip: if you think this is a scam, just move on. You loose a lot of valuable time in here creating posts.

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April 12, 2020, 11:05:51 AM
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Tip: if you think this is a scam, just move on. You loose a lot of valuable time in here creating posts.

Best thing is to stop interacting and do not reply to him or talk with other trolls and time wasters.
Everyone can think what they want.
They will soon be banned like all the other account abusers Smiley
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April 12, 2020, 08:02:08 PM
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@every idena identity. Do not forget to daily bump the thread to share more and more the news about this awesome project!

Use the orange button from the corner

She's crazy like a fool.
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April 12, 2020, 10:40:21 PM
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You guys keep saying growth but what's it doing and where is it growing to ? There is no chance for this and only growth is fake and people mining it, why because the same scammers over and over reply that its profitable, but it isn't and isn't even on the radar. Of course at $50 per invitation code someone sure has interest in lying about it, and its back to the same 2-3 scammers again.

after I post the scam, within hours 3 new users with a 1 post account mysteriously appear. that's original
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April 13, 2020, 12:17:13 AM
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You guys keep saying growth but what's it doing and where is it growing to ? There is no chance for this and only growth is fake and people mining it, why because the same scammers over and over reply that its profitable, but it isn't and isn't even on the radar. Of course at $50 per invitation code someone sure has interest in lying about it, and its back to the same 2-3 scammers again.

after I post the scam, within hours 3 new users with a 1 post account mysteriously appear. that's original

It is profitable. You won't get rich but you get some beer money out of it. Remember that you put $5/month in a VPS and get like $50+ (at current price).
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