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April 21, 2020, 03:02:20 PM
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I just heard about the Idena project from the Indonesian group telegram, mining a coin with only a laptop and VPS, something that is cheap and effective to mine a coin. Are there any articles or video that explain in detail the stages in mining Idena Coin?

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April 22, 2020, 05:29:19 AM
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I just heard about the Idena project from the Indonesian group telegram, mining a coin with only a laptop and VPS, something that is cheap and effective to mine a coin. Are there any articles or video that explain in detail the stages in mining Idena Coin?

Actually you mine it with only the VPS (as a matter of saying) because is not real mining where computational power is involved.
Idena mining is actually about running an Idena node, which is preferably to be run on a VPS due to the stability, and validating your identity once per cycle (the cycle last for 12 days now).
Idena client is only use for validation, making flips, sending and receiving coins. Apart of this the client is most of the time turned off.

There is not much to explain about "the mining", you just turn it on from the client (you have a button) and that's it. If you run the node on your PC you'll need to keep the client/PC on, if you run the client on VPS, you can turn off your client.

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April 22, 2020, 03:43:32 PM
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I just heard about the Idena project from the Indonesian group telegram, mining a coin with only a laptop and VPS, something that is cheap and effective to mine a coin. Are there any articles or video that explain in detail the stages in mining Idena Coin?

Actually you mine it with only the VPS (as a matter of saying) because is not real mining where computational power is involved.
Idena mining is actually about running an Idena node, which is preferably to be run on a VPS due to the stability, and validating your identity once per cycle (the cycle last for 12 days now).
Idena client is only use for validation, making flips, sending and receiving coins. Apart of this the client is most of the time turned off.

There is not much to explain about "the mining", you just turn it on from the client (you have a button) and that's it. If you run the node on your PC you'll need to keep the client/PC on, if you run the client on VPS, you can turn off your client.


It seems simple to run Idena Node, but I don't know where to start to run Idena node, do you know the article that can be used as a reference to run Idena node?

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April 22, 2020, 03:51:08 PM
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It seems simple to run Idena Node, but I don't know where to start to run Idena node, do you know the article that can be used as a reference to run Idena node?

official FAQ:
https://idena.io/?view=faq
Tutorial made by community:
http://rioda.org/idena/faq_tutorials.php#answer4
Idena stats made by community:
https://idena.today/
Usefull tools made by community:
https://idena-apps.org/

I think its more than enought that you need to know.
By the way. 1965 validated identities. +16%

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April 22, 2020, 05:27:46 PM
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MY report from today completed Idena validation:

- Number of nodes is still growing, and now it is 1965
- People are still complaining for various bugs during validation
- Bad flips in short/long session and they have strong consensus
- People don't report flips properly
- People or AI submits flips not related to words at all and same flip for multiple word combinations


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April 22, 2020, 05:49:34 PM
Last edit: April 22, 2020, 06:02:13 PM by Tytanowy Janusz
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I think people are crying too much. If flips are so shitty how is it possible to get 100% one validation after another?



I have 121,5/125 (3 bad flips -2,5 pkt (one was detected by network and get weak consensus) and 1 was good, but I was too distracted to focus good enough to see it). Of course there are few poor quality flips, nothing will change that and its frustrating to get one but it's not about to have 100% good flips. It is not about to have 100% score. It is about detecting bots and validate you as a person to start processing blocks. It is about that.

"- People or AI submits flips not related to words at all and same flip for multiple word combinations"

That's what this system is about. We see this because they see potential of IDENA and try to get as much as it is possible. Our job is to detect them. So don't be surprised that you see them. Report and go on. IMHO flips are much much better than during epoch 18-30.

" People are still complaining for various bugs during validation" - yes this is always sad when someone loses stake due to bug... I think that there should be some sort of mechanism that detect what happens and in case it wasn't node fault it suspends it instead of killing. But I don't know how hard it is to develop it without creating a tool for cheaters. I think that sooner or later we will see it. It's "experimental main net" remamber Smiley. And if 3 people out of 2000 will have bug all 3 will cry on telegram. 1997 will stay quiet. I know that it happens but I don't know how big it is and in which cases it was 100% not node fault (f.e. bad internet connection is whose fault?).

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April 22, 2020, 06:12:31 PM
 #907

Problem is that it is not just few flips, it is much more than that,
as you can see many people posted that crap on Telegram and discord, and most of them have Strong consensus.
That means that consensus is not good enough and need fixing.

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April 22, 2020, 06:22:24 PM
Last edit: April 22, 2020, 06:42:19 PM by Tytanowy Janusz
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Problem is that it is not just few flips, it is much more than that,
as you can see many people posted that crap on Telegram and discord, and most of them have Strong consensus.
That means that consensus is not good enough and need fixing.

Because people are crying too much about every bad flip they see. Bad flips happens but I don't think it is that big issue. Just take a look at my photo (it is actual data based on 13 validations not based on how much few are crying and how bad they are crying)

Out of 288 flips (long and short) I was only 3.5 p. short from max. How much of this was my fault? Maybe 0 maybe 1,2,3. Based on that i assume that ~1% of flips are flips that was bad and passed.
Last 8 validation i could go to telegram and post "ohh my flips was so great. I get 100%" - but people do not do that. Human nature is crying if something goes wrong.

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April 22, 2020, 08:54:18 PM
Last edit: April 22, 2020, 10:03:51 PM by notblox1
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Out of 288 flips (long and short) I was only 3.5 p. short from max. How much of this was my fault? Maybe 0 maybe 1,2,3. Based on that i assume that ~1% of flips are flips that was bad and passed.
Last 8 validation i could go to telegram and post "ohh my flips was so great. I get 100%" - but people do not do that. Human nature is crying if something goes wrong.

Again you are only looking yourself, and you think everyone else just cry.
They don't cry if they provide valid data and information that is not normal.
Flip that is BAD can not have consensus. Simple.

516 killed IDs is not a small number
https://scan.idena.io/validation?epoch=43#killed

Anyway.
Next Idena validation is on May 4th 2020.
Be ready everyone.
https://idena.io/

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April 23, 2020, 12:22:43 AM
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Daily rewards at current node amount:

(depends on how many nodes are actively mining)

1 node mining 24 hours = 13-15 DNA ($1.30-$1.50 USD) @ 24 hours


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April 23, 2020, 05:11:46 AM
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Daily rewards at current node amount:

(depends on how many nodes are actively mining)

1 node mining 24 hours = 13-15 DNA ($1.30-$1.50 USD) @ 24 hours




Mining is lesser and lesser now, I have to sit and disable my VPS I failed the validation test because some images that were sent to me are incomprehensible but I still have 90% total scores, just lucky that my wife pass the validation, it's ok I already have a good amount of IDENA that I mined two months ago, and I might be buying more if I have the funds.

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April 23, 2020, 07:40:20 AM
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Daily rewards at current node amount:

(depends on how many nodes are actively mining)

1 node mining 24 hours = 13-15 DNA ($1.30-$1.50 USD) @ 24 hours




Mining is lesser and lesser now, I have to sit and disable my VPS I failed the validation test because some images that were sent to me are incomprehensible but I still have 90% total scores, just lucky that my wife pass the validation, it's ok I already have a good amount of IDENA that I mined two months ago, and I might be buying more if I have the funds.


Apart of bad and very bad flips, there are also some bugs on the client or node.

For example:
   • on epoch 39 (if my memory serves) I was unable to submit the Long session answers "An error occurred when submitting your answers";
   • on epoch 42 I got suspended because the Short session flips didn't loaded at all despite the fact that I have a very good internet connection.

Let's hope that this bugs will be fixed with time. As for the bad flips, I don't think is anything we/devs can do to fix it.

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Buggy or not it is what it is, there is not too much they can do, imo.
Is normal because they don't test the releases since this is the Testnet.
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Not exactly testnet, but more some kind of experimental mainnet.
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Buggy or not it is what it is, there is not too much they can do, imo.
Is normal because they don't test the releases since this is the Testnet.

BTW I recommend that the validation scored be lowered to 75% we are building a community and it's good to have new members every validation I have a lot of invitees failed on their first two tries even though they have passed the test yourself program, some members are even blaming newbies for failing the test, when in fact they do want to pass the test, I hope they can consider my proposal.

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BTW I recommend that the validation scored be lowered to 75% we are building a community and it's good to have new members every validation I have a lot of invitees failed on their first two tries even though they have passed the test yourself program, some members are even blaming newbies for failing the test, when in fact they do want to pass the test, I hope they can consider my proposal.

I do not agree on that. The main reason of low score of real humans trying to pass validations is bad flips. You need to have more good flips out there, that's all.

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BTW I recommend that the validation scored be lowered to 75% we are building a community and it's good to have new members every validation I have a lot of invitees failed on their first two tries even though they have passed the test yourself program, some members are even blaming newbies for failing the test, when in fact they do want to pass the test, I hope they can consider my proposal.

I do not agree on that. The main reason of low score of real humans trying to pass validations is bad flips. You need to have more good flips out there, that's all.

I'll definitely fight to have a good flip, good flips and lowered validation score is both good, by the way, I notice there are already two threads here about IDENA, it looks confusing I have recommended having IDENA their own dedicated forum so people can check everything and can be categorized I am about to recommend it for crowdfunding but there were some earlier projects for that.

If there are supports I can create an SMF forum and host it for the community, but anyone can do that if they have the resources

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April 26, 2020, 12:23:18 PM
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Again you are only looking yourself, and you think everyone else just cry.
They don't cry if they provide valid data and information that is not normal.
Ok. Maybe in fact i've used words that might not be suitable for the situation but i'm simply frustrated that everyone is talking only obout that what seams to not be a problem for regular member (what i've proved in my last post). I'm not looking at myself only. If flip is doable it's doable no matter who is doing it. From last 13 epochs I had 285 doable flips out of 288 that network considered as strong.
This case is problem for those who don't understand that this network is not about having 100%. Bad flips are made also by bots that this network is made to filter, so I would expect them to be.

Flip that is BAD can not have consensus. Simple.
And in most cases it is. Of course there are some extreme cases each epoch but i'm just frustrated that 90% of community productivity is wasted on solving that.

516 killed IDs is not a small number
https://scan.idena.io/validation?epoch=43#killed

Majority of them has "missed validation" in failure reason.
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Congratulations on AMA today. Many questions have been answered. Hopefully there will be a similar event next for Idena. Smiley
If there is indeed a similar event, maybe AMA on other platforms like YouTube or reddit, some communities have not responded to the market really from AMA yesterday, all hope that there will be a movement in trading volume or prices on DNA, but that hasn't moved so far, well it seems necessary the time to introduce this project is wider and many people want to test it, as Andrew said that the product itself and the benefits that people get are the most effective marketing tools, so just wait  Grin
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