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Author Topic: Idena is the first Proof-of-Person Blockchain  (Read 41822 times)
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May 11, 2020, 10:00:10 AM
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I seldom checked the telegram channel before the validation time, many people are sending invitation code in the channel, now this is good, in the past new members are having a hard time getting on and since they have a hard time getting one they leave the community, one of my friend have to wait for two weeks to get his invitation code.

Yes now there is a lot of available invites for newcomers, back in the days when I joined only from the team I could get an invite.
Is funny that people in here are still saying that is hard to get an invite and on my side I find it hard to give it away.

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May 11, 2020, 01:09:13 PM
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This is not true. And you know it.
Many users have 2 nodes in 2 virtual machines on the same PC. And there are those who have 3 nodes.
Therefore, really unique people, well, maybe 600.
Not a great achievement for a coin which is 2 years old.

You are wrong. 95-98% of idena nodes are unique person. Those 2-5% did not yet realised that it is more profitable to have 1 node with 98% score than 2 nodes with 80% and no invitations (thanks to update with human status and 2 invitation per human and 6 flips per short session) - soon they will. People claim that they have 2 nodes only because they have friends/family member that validates second node. Just like my wife just become human during last validation. But it's still 1 person 1 vote. Just like during elections. You can write an authorization that someone else can represent you. Like i manage a node of my wife that she validates.
Such a serious statement requires evidence on your part.
How did you calculate these 98% unique nodes?
All users personally reported to you that the second node is for the wife?
I read in a Chinese unofficial chat, and there many people made two nodes exclusively for themselves, not for the wives of relatives.
In general, please provide evidence of 98% uniqueness of nodes.
At this stage, it’s just your words are not confirmed by anything.

3. Official coin Administrator (maybe one of the Dev team) urge to kill invitations from those people who make bad flips (bad in their opinion).
....
And nothing has changed. All of these points still indicate that the actions of developers (and 101% Admin) contradict decentralization.
In centralized network Admin will go and kill nodes by himself. He would not need to convince others. This is decentralized network. Dev's gives us tools and SUGGEST what to do with them. We ... unique nodes decide what to do with them. Majority of the nodes decides what's profitable or not and what's good or not for network.
They only gives us tools. We use them or not. 100% decentralized network.
No it's not 100% decentralized network until other points exist
Why is this project not decentralized (as stated on the main site):

1. You cannot dispose of your property. You generate (mining) invitations, but you cannot sell them, you can only give them out for free. Because the developers intentionally do not disable the termination of newbies and candidates.
2. Candidates and newbies are always at risk of being "killed".

3. Official coin Administrator (maybe one of the Dev team) urge to kill invitations from those people who make bad flips (bad in their opinion).
Here are some screenshots.
Admin calls for killing those who make bad flips:
https://i.imgur.com/ltADmRh.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/UBBXxUX.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Aiw9SV1.jpg
4. Developers urge to send reports on bad flips - flips with porn, with politics and so on. But what about the freedom of speech mentioned on the main site?
5. Incredibly huge premine.

As a result, for each of these points, you depend on the third party. Is this decentralization? No. This is totalitarian control.
-All network users should have equal rights. There should not be anyone who can be "killed".
-There should be no censorship.
-You should have the full rights to dispose of your invitations, because this is your property. But the developers specifically limit you in your rights (to sell invitations), because they do not disable the "killing" of newcomers.

This huge amount of traffic from this coin...
10-15 gigabytes per day easily!
If you have a weak router - you need vps.
If you do not have unlimited traffic - you need vps.
If you have a weak provider - you need vps.
Still the lowest entry point for mining crypto world has even seen.
Very, very controversial statement.
A powerful high-quality router is expensive everywhere.
Unlimited Internet in some countries is very expensive or it doesn't exist at all.

In other coins, all you need to do is set up the CPU / GPU / ASIC, connect to pool and you're done.
And here in Idena again the third party - VPS.
Third party provider, which you need to pay, monthly / annually.
You need to register there, provide your data.
Do not be a noob to configure a Linux server via SSH in a terminal without a graphical interface.
Having a third party always increases the risk of being hacked.

So many extra nuances ...
But numbering can be smart.
You can number flips with emoticons, figures, lines, dots, the number of angles of a star, and anything else. Turn on fantasy.
But not just the numbers printed on the picture, which can be recognized by bots.

But it still makes no sense.
AI is the future. AI-resistant - not.

Numbered flips, no matter if "figures, lines, dots" is dozens times easier for AI to solve. If you do a network that is easy for AI to cheat than you are simply doing POW. It's POP.
As i said before - AI-resistant coin in our world where all areas of life are automated more and more every day is dumb idea.
But if you so want to do it, i suggested you replace the flips
This might work out. Different cultures takes it to different understanding and different creation, there are so many differences between how we see stuffs arround us.

And as you said earlier, no censorship, stop sending the idea to any newbie coming that he needs to take invite only from dev bc his identity will be killed. Or how they did after this epoch, cutted 200 verified members out of their rights to invite. But ofc older shillers here, they won't care. They care only to shill everything the dev is saying

This makes completely no sense. How you imagine Proof of Person blockchain without test who is human who is bot? Bitcoin has POW algorithm to prevent from cheating the network, NEO has POS, idena has POP that is ... as Vitalik said... "proof-of-unique-human is going to be a very valuable primitive for applications in the years to come." and we are here developing it and being first adopters of something massive. Bunch of trolling accounts will not change it.

All of your (troll spam farm) suggestions would kill network in a matter of 1 validation. It's like - lets turn off mining difficulty for bitcoin - everyone should have right to mine it with old PC.

And Railai replied to my post where I suggested disabling these pictures and replacing them with Slide Captcha with puzzle.
https://www.geetest.com/en
If Binance use it to protect against bots, then why not take an example from them?

This makes completely no sense. How you imagine Proof of Person blockchain without test who is human who is bot?
Maybe you missed this my message
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5194871.msg54179460#msg54179460
Why is this check that you are not a bot worse than flips?
Do you think fools work in Binance?


Thank you, LaaMos!
that's what I’m talking about, thanks for the detailed explanation

And don't waste your time on tytanowy janusz...he's from poland...you know what it means...


And don't forget to number the flips!
Number in any way:
1,2,3,4
or
. .. ... ....
or
l ll lll lV
or
A B C D

Don't worry about the developers.
Now we have to solve 6 flips, not 5. And it will take more time!
Let's help each other, do not report such flips.
We are all here to mine more coins and make more money.
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May 12, 2020, 08:06:51 AM
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You are sick dude!
If you put numbers or letters on the flips they will get reported and you won't get anything in return. Also the flips won't get on the Short session, so is useless to put numbers/letters on them.

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May 12, 2020, 12:38:46 PM
 #984

Five days left for next Idena validation.
Do not wait last moments to create flips.
Make flips and update node/wallet early and be ready and synced for validation.

Also note that in next few days Hard-fork is expected:
https://medium.com/idena/idena-hard-fork-announcement-8271b7fc9b0c

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Last edit: May 13, 2020, 06:29:15 AM by Tytanowy Janusz
 #985

You are sick dude!
If you put numbers or letters on the flips they will get reported and you won't get anything in return. Also the flips won't get on the Short session, so is useless to put numbers/letters on them.

Just repot it and ignore it. There are reasons for that:
1 - racism
2 - huge quote with 2 useless sentences at the bottom just to add spam content 3rd time:

1st: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5194871.msg53947982#msg53947982
2nd: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5194871.msg53952325#msg53952325 (blue and bold and size+)
3rd: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5194871.msg54408908#msg54408908 (bold and size+)
 + 2 self quotes just to bumb spam content.

By the way. I think it is worth to pass it here from telegram:

Quote from: ENDOGEN
there are a few reasons:
- it is compatible to ETH. it could be easily used for voting in the ETH ecosystem
- it's unique. totally new, no fork. this is solid and exactly what the world needs right now: guaranteeing a 1:1 relation between node and user (more or less 1:1. doesn't matter if 1:2 is possible or not)
- there are hints that this is being developed with some hidden force in the background that will push it hard in the future (forget this one if you are not into visions. but i derived to that conclusion. will not give details)
- it's the only identity based crypto project that doesn't need KYC
- no bullshit PoW or PoS. actually every node does valuable work and directly participated
- general view that you get if you are around for a longer time: the projects just grows big like crazy! devs didn't even plan to be listed, qTrade still listed them. others pay $10k to get listed anywhere.
- community is decent. community devs are growing from day to day and deliver valuable extensions and software in general and interact with main devs nicely
- there are some huge business ideas floating around that are only possible with this style of project (won't get into details since diffrent guys are working on different ideas)
- super solid project from the beginning. nothing half baked. code-wise it's all fine and done nicely - not like there are no issues, but codebase is much better than a lot of other coins
- some heavyweight (in crypto) are into IDENA. you don't know but i know since i know some of them. it's not like i am something in crypto but i know guys that are 😊
- just my general intuition after being around from epoch 14...

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May 13, 2020, 06:43:22 AM
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Five days left for next Idena validation.
Do not wait last moments to create flips.
Make flips and update node/wallet early and be ready and synced for validation.

Also note that in next few days Hard-fork is expected:
https://medium.com/idena/idena-hard-fork-announcement-8271b7fc9b0c

Thanks for the heads-up mate!
I hope they will release the update (hardfork) in time, not 1-2 hours before the Sunday validation, like they used us with.

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May 13, 2020, 07:03:00 AM
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Thanks for the heads-up mate!
I hope they will release the update (hardfork) in time, not 1-2 hours before the Sunday validation, like they used us with.

According to official announcement hard fork is planned for 14.05. I doubt it will be delayed 3 days until 17.05. They have never released hard fork 1-2 hours before validation...

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May 13, 2020, 08:47:21 AM
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Thanks for the heads-up mate!
I hope they will release the update (hardfork) in time, not 1-2 hours before the Sunday validation, like they used us with.

According to official announcement hard fork is planned for 14.05. I doubt it will be delayed 3 days until 17.05. They have never released hard fork 1-2 hours before validation...


Good to know the HF is on 14.05 I didn't know. Do you have a link to the announcement? Thanks!
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May 15, 2020, 03:44:03 PM
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Everyone update to latest mandatory Idena hard fork:
website: https://idena.io/?view=download
github:
https://github.com/idena-network/idena-go/releases

Next validation is in two days.
Be ready.

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May 16, 2020, 05:44:19 AM
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Everyone update to latest mandatory Idena hard fork:
website: https://idena.io/?view=download
github:
https://github.com/idena-network/idena-go/releases

Next validation is in two days.
Be ready.

Got my wallet updated to the latest fork, my wallet is running in a VPS after two days of not checking I got a penalty and I have to download the new node again, people should check from time to time, the VPS is getting our miner off without us knowing it, this is the second time it happens in two weeks and lost 8 IDENA in the process.

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May 16, 2020, 05:56:50 AM
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Got my wallet updated to the latest fork, my wallet is running in a VPS after two days of not checking I got a penalty and I have to download the new node again, people should check from time to time, the VPS is getting our miner off without us knowing it, this is the second time it happens in two weeks and lost 8 IDENA in the process.

@idena_node_watcher_bot

Use this bot for telegram notifications about node status. It was created by @endogen for idena community and already saved me from penalty a dozen times.

/start
/watch 0x00000000000000000000000 (your address)

And it's done. You can set there also email and discord notifications.

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May 17, 2020, 10:53:43 AM
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Today is Idena validation day.
Be ready with updated and synced node.

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May 17, 2020, 11:20:20 AM
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Validation process in 2 hours and 10 minutes, please consider to join in discord if you need invitation code to join in the process. https://discord.gg/FGjCSAQ
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I will give the invitation code only to responsible users. PM me.
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May 17, 2020, 08:23:16 PM
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Today is Idena validation day.
Be ready with updated and synced node.

i past two epoch, and have 12 from 12 flips, but did not get invitation that i could send to other people, and still i am a newbie, do you know when one gets verified, since there is an info in miner, you get verified when have 12 flips solved?

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i past two epoch, and have 12 from 12 flips, but did not get invitation that i could send to other people, and still i am a newbie, do you know when one gets verified, since there is an info in miner, you get verified when have 12 flips solved?
You need to pass 3 validations in a row to be verified member, but you can give invitations only if you have got score % in short session.
I think some data needs to be updated due to recent hard fork and changes.

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May 18, 2020, 01:15:48 AM
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i past two epoch, and have 12 from 12 flips, but did not get invitation that i could send to other people, and still i am a newbie, do you know when one gets verified, since there is an info in miner, you get verified when have 12 flips solved?
You need to pass 3 validations in a row to be verified member, but you can give invitations only if you have got score % in short session.
I think some data needs to be updated due to recent hard fork and changes.

It is 94.11% score before you can invite 2 people.
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It is 94.11% score before you can invite 2 people.

No wonder after I passed the validation I checked the contact page to see if I can give an invite code and have seen I have none, I barely pass the validation, but there are many changes in the validation, I wonder if it is profitable to host your node in VPS seeing that the rewards in mining is not at it used to be back when we are just starting out.

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No wonder after I passed the validation I checked the contact page to see if I can give an invite code and have seen I have none, I barely pass the validation, but there are many changes in the validation, I wonder if it is profitable to host your node in VPS seeing that the rewards in mining is not at it used to be back when we are just starting out.

(51 840 * 0,5 / 2026 * 0,12$) * 30 - 5$ (per VPS per month) = 41$ monthly profit (and up to 140$ from flips, invitations, validations) - So My answer to your question "I wonder if it is profitable to host your node in VPS" is - hell yea it is.

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May 18, 2020, 08:22:07 AM
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No wonder after I passed the validation I checked the contact page to see if I can give an invite code and have seen I have none, I barely pass the validation, but there are many changes in the validation, I wonder if it is profitable to host your node in VPS seeing that the rewards in mining is not at it used to be back when we are just starting out.

(51 840 * 0,5 / 2026 * 0,12$) * 30 - 5$ (per VPS per month) = 41$ monthly profit (and up to 140$ from flips, invitations, validations) - So My answer to your question "I wonder if it is profitable to host your node in VPS" is - hell yea it is.
And where is volume for all?Don't lie and say true.Where is your diagram about network growth this time?
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