Idena is the first Proof-of-Person Blockchain

[Tytanowy Janusz]

@Flangler There is ongoing vote for this. Just vote and spread awareness about it. Not just say you don't like current situation and that's it. There are a lot of different factors (f.e network stability) that might be more important in this case. More important that being fair for someone who is not able to create a flip. 1.5$ for good flip, 0 $ for bad flip and no bad flip penalty will affect in 100% "1,2,3,4" flips and will destroy network.

@lemonandfriesonetwo

You think that flips are getting worse and worse but on the other hand you want devs to destroy the only financial motivation that people have to create good flips. That does not make any sense other than FUD making from a guy who dumped his coins on loss and move to other projects. Just do the same with your forum activity. Stop posting the same things over and over gain full of venom and hatred.

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[othell_rogue]

I agree that the software is buggy and the team is not doing the best management of how things work on Idena, but it is what it is. If you like it you stay, if not, you are free to go. Nobody is forcing anyone to stay around. I don't like many things either, but are few things I like and I choose to stay.

BTW anyone knows how this happened?

[realRioda]

I agree that the software is buggy and the team is not doing the best management of how things work on Idena, but it is what it is. If you like it you stay, if not, you are free to go. Nobody is forcing anyone to stay around. I don't like many things either, but are few things I like and I choose to stay.

BTW anyone knows how this happened?

Hi, one problem that can cause late submission is: bad time sync on os where node and client run, other, node went out od sync and did not submit data in time.
Node and client logs would say more about what happened.

[othell_rogue]

Hi, one problem that can cause late submission is: bad time sync on os where node and client run, other, node went out od sync and did not submit data in time.
Node and client logs would say more about what happened.

Well I also thought the node went ut of sync but when I checked the explorer i saw the answers were sent in time, see below:

[Flangler]

@Flangler There is ongoing vote for this. Just vote and spread awareness about it. Not just say you don't like current situation and that's it. There are a lot of different factors (f.e network stability) that might be more important in this case. More important that being fair for someone who is not able to create a flip. 1.5$ for good flip, 0 $ for bad flip and no bad flip penalty will affect in 100% "1,2,3,4" flips and will destroy network.

@lemonandfriesonetwo

You think that flips are getting worse and worse but on the other hand you want devs to destroy the only financial motivation that people have to create good flips. That does not make any sense other than FUD making from a guy who dumped his coins on loss and move to other projects. Just do the same with your forum activity. Stop posting the same things over and over gain full of venom and hatred.

"1,2,3,4" flips, should be always reported. I meant flips with correlation only to one keyword. There are a lot of people who report all flips. If I remember correctly even in this topic man has shown that he reported all flips in one epoch. Right now the main goal should be to get as many members as possible not to get picky about flips but that's is just my opinion. Good luck anyway!

[lemonandfriesonetwo]

Creepy stalker 

[realRioda]

Hi, one problem that can cause late submission is: bad time sync on os where node and client run, other, node went out od sync and did not submit data in time.
Node and client logs would say more about what happened.

Well I also thought the node went ut of sync but when I checked the explorer i saw the answers were sent in time, see below:

Oooff... well there is a problem with what's shown on that picture 

Here is example of successfull validation transactions


You can see that you are missing "Short session answers" transaction. So your client/node did not send answers for short session at all.
So I can use my new catchphrases here "Logs, or it did not happen" or "Send logs or forrever be silent" 

[othell_rogue]

You can see that you are missing "Short session answers" transaction. So your client/node did not send answers for short session at all.
So I can use my new catchphrases here "Logs, or it did not happen" or "Send logs or forrever be silent" 

Hmmm... looks like I am missing 2 tx out of 4, but I think those tx should have been sent automatically by the client but it didn't happened. Anyway I got it, thanks for your time!

[othell_rogue]

You can see that you are missing "Short session answers" transaction. So your client/node did not send answers for short session at all.
So I can use my new catchphrases here "Logs, or it did not happen" or "Send logs or forrever be silent" 

Hmmm... looks like I am missing 2 tx out of 4, but I think those tx should have been sent automatically by the client but it didn't happened. Anyway I got it, thanks for your time!

BTW anyone have a spare invitation to give it away. It will be appreciated!
Thanks in advance!

[Tytanowy Janusz]

BTW anyone have a spare invitation to give it away. It will be appreciated!
Thanks in advance!

I always have invitation for early adopters. PM send.

BTW long time gone and no report about network grow:

"1,2,3,4" flips, should be always reported.

Agreed. The way I see it - being too lenient on weak flips (no bad flip penalty) will end up like that:
1- You do 6 flips out of which 4 are 1,2,3,4
2- 4 flips are disqualified and you are rated based on 2 flips that qualified
3- you made a mistake in one and you are killed.
4- knowing a fact that you only need to do 2 flips on average and fast-skip 4 you can start 3-4 nodes easily

50% for 1 bad flip and 100% for two is good for a start. If network will remain stable I don't see a reason why not come back to this discussion with 30%, 60%, 100%.

[bulala]

looking forward  to joining the party anyone with a spare invite?

[realRioda]

can we see fork for proof of cat

I was thinking of a fork with only cat flips 

[realRioda]

For the people who are not on Telegram
https://t.me/IdenaAnnouncements/507

Announcing the second AMA (Ask-Me-Anything) that will be hosted in Idena’s official Telegram chat https://t.me/IdenaNetworkPublic.

The Q&A session will take place on Wednesday July 15, 2020, at 13:30 UTC.

Same format as last time pulling the questions from https://app.sli.do/event/trhtad0b/live/questions

During the first 40 minutes of the AMA the Idena team will be answering questions collected in advance with only moderators and the team being allowed to send messages in the chat.

In the second part of the session the Idena community will have an opportunity to leave their comments and questions in the chat in a slow mode for the Idena team to answer (~20min).

[othell_rogue]

~snip

Looks like the network is growing a bit slowly from 2300 mark nodes, around earlier were 2-300 joining each cycle. Anyway let's hope the trend is always up.

[Krucifer]

The rule "one bad flip no rewards is insane", sometimes keywords are that random that it is impossible to connect them into a story and admins encourage people to report such flips, which leads some people to report half of the flips. I will be back when you change this rule if you ever will.

When you get back, validation reward for Idena will prolly be 1 DNA instead of current 56 DNA, so you're better off just buying it on qtrade.io if you can't bear to cope with sometimes hard keyword pairs.

[casperBGD]

The rule "one bad flip no rewards is insane", sometimes keywords are that random that it is impossible to connect them into a story and admins encourage people to report such flips, which leads some people to report half of the flips. I will be back when you change this rule if you ever will.

When you get back, validation reward for Idena will prolly be 1 DNA instead of current 56 DNA, so you're better off just buying it on qtrade.io if you can't bear to cope with sometimes hard keyword pairs.

agree, but there is no steady up numbers validation after validation, we are still hoovering around 2000, more or less
and flips that are submitted are getting worse and worse, maybe is just because a growing number of people, and some of them do not understand what flip is, maybe is something else, but i find it hard to solve some flips, and some have first two pictures same, and only third and four reversed, that is something that IMO should be instantly reported, and i do that

there are two that i regularly report:
- not having different first picture
- have letters on the picture

[Tytanowy Janusz]

there are two that i regularly report:
- not having different first picture
- have letters on the picture

Different first picture? There is no rule like that. All you need to do is making second set of pictures "story-less" that's all. Even devs showing sample flip did not mix first picture:



or here:

[s1989]

there are two that i regularly report:
- not having different first picture
- have letters on the picture

Different first picture? There is no rule like that. All you need to do is making second set of pictures "story-less" that's all. Even devs showing sample flip did not mix first picture:



or here:

Yep, it is really funny for me, cos admins in telegram say that such flips are bad shuffled and those flips need to be reported

[notblox1]

Yep, it is really funny for me, cos admins in telegram say that such flips are bad shuffled and those flips need to be reported

I don't remember anyone ever said that flips like that needs to be reported.
Developers are not gods, so we can all say when shuffle can be done better to make more illogical flips on other side.

[piebeyb]

Request and idena invitation Code
Pleasee

You can get it here, good luck https://t.me/idenaflipschool