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[lemonandfriesonetwo]

Creepy stalker 

[realRioda]

Hi, one problem that can cause late submission is: bad time sync on os where node and client run, other, node went out od sync and did not submit data in time.
Node and client logs would say more about what happened.

Well I also thought the node went ut of sync but when I checked the explorer i saw the answers were sent in time, see below:

Oooff... well there is a problem with what's shown on that picture 

Here is example of successfull validation transactions


You can see that you are missing "Short session answers" transaction. So your client/node did not send answers for short session at all.
So I can use my new catchphrases here "Logs, or it did not happen" or "Send logs or forrever be silent" 

[othell_rogue]

You can see that you are missing "Short session answers" transaction. So your client/node did not send answers for short session at all.
So I can use my new catchphrases here "Logs, or it did not happen" or "Send logs or forrever be silent" 

Hmmm... looks like I am missing 2 tx out of 4, but I think those tx should have been sent automatically by the client but it didn't happened. Anyway I got it, thanks for your time!

[othell_rogue]

You can see that you are missing "Short session answers" transaction. So your client/node did not send answers for short session at all.
So I can use my new catchphrases here "Logs, or it did not happen" or "Send logs or forrever be silent" 

Hmmm... looks like I am missing 2 tx out of 4, but I think those tx should have been sent automatically by the client but it didn't happened. Anyway I got it, thanks for your time!

BTW anyone have a spare invitation to give it away. It will be appreciated!
Thanks in advance!

[Tytanowy Janusz]

BTW anyone have a spare invitation to give it away. It will be appreciated!
Thanks in advance!

I always have invitation for early adopters. PM send.

BTW long time gone and no report about network grow:

"1,2,3,4" flips, should be always reported.

Agreed. The way I see it - being too lenient on weak flips (no bad flip penalty) will end up like that:
1- You do 6 flips out of which 4 are 1,2,3,4
2- 4 flips are disqualified and you are rated based on 2 flips that qualified
3- you made a mistake in one and you are killed.
4- knowing a fact that you only need to do 2 flips on average and fast-skip 4 you can start 3-4 nodes easily

50% for 1 bad flip and 100% for two is good for a start. If network will remain stable I don't see a reason why not come back to this discussion with 30%, 60%, 100%.

[bulala]

looking forward  to joining the party anyone with a spare invite?

[realRioda]

can we see fork for proof of cat

I was thinking of a fork with only cat flips 

[realRioda]

For the people who are not on Telegram
https://t.me/IdenaAnnouncements/507

Announcing the second AMA (Ask-Me-Anything) that will be hosted in Idena’s official Telegram chat https://t.me/IdenaNetworkPublic.

The Q&A session will take place on Wednesday July 15, 2020, at 13:30 UTC.

Same format as last time pulling the questions from https://app.sli.do/event/trhtad0b/live/questions

During the first 40 minutes of the AMA the Idena team will be answering questions collected in advance with only moderators and the team being allowed to send messages in the chat.

In the second part of the session the Idena community will have an opportunity to leave their comments and questions in the chat in a slow mode for the Idena team to answer (~20min).

[othell_rogue]

~snip

Looks like the network is growing a bit slowly from 2300 mark nodes, around earlier were 2-300 joining each cycle. Anyway let's hope the trend is always up.

[Krucifer]

The rule "one bad flip no rewards is insane", sometimes keywords are that random that it is impossible to connect them into a story and admins encourage people to report such flips, which leads some people to report half of the flips. I will be back when you change this rule if you ever will.

When you get back, validation reward for Idena will prolly be 1 DNA instead of current 56 DNA, so you're better off just buying it on qtrade.io if you can't bear to cope with sometimes hard keyword pairs.

[casperBGD]

The rule "one bad flip no rewards is insane", sometimes keywords are that random that it is impossible to connect them into a story and admins encourage people to report such flips, which leads some people to report half of the flips. I will be back when you change this rule if you ever will.

When you get back, validation reward for Idena will prolly be 1 DNA instead of current 56 DNA, so you're better off just buying it on qtrade.io if you can't bear to cope with sometimes hard keyword pairs.

agree, but there is no steady up numbers validation after validation, we are still hoovering around 2000, more or less
and flips that are submitted are getting worse and worse, maybe is just because a growing number of people, and some of them do not understand what flip is, maybe is something else, but i find it hard to solve some flips, and some have first two pictures same, and only third and four reversed, that is something that IMO should be instantly reported, and i do that

there are two that i regularly report:
- not having different first picture
- have letters on the picture

[Tytanowy Janusz]

there are two that i regularly report:
- not having different first picture
- have letters on the picture

Different first picture? There is no rule like that. All you need to do is making second set of pictures "story-less" that's all. Even devs showing sample flip did not mix first picture:



or here:

[s1989]

there are two that i regularly report:
- not having different first picture
- have letters on the picture

Different first picture? There is no rule like that. All you need to do is making second set of pictures "story-less" that's all. Even devs showing sample flip did not mix first picture:



or here:

Yep, it is really funny for me, cos admins in telegram say that such flips are bad shuffled and those flips need to be reported

[notblox1]

Yep, it is really funny for me, cos admins in telegram say that such flips are bad shuffled and those flips need to be reported

I don't remember anyone ever said that flips like that needs to be reported.
Developers are not gods, so we can all say when shuffle can be done better to make more illogical flips on other side.

[piebeyb]

Request and idena invitation Code
Pleasee

You can get it here, good luck https://t.me/idenaflipschool

[Saisher]

Request and idena invitation Code
Pleasee

You can get it here, good luck https://t.me/idenaflipschool

I have a friend here who I refer here also if you failed to get one just pm the senior members of this project or long time supporters I'm sure they have a spare code to give to you but you need to comply to their requirements before they send you one this is to make sure that you understand the concept of Idena and you have undergone the test.

[Tytanowy Janusz]

News (next changes/propositions) from july 15 AMA. For those who wasn't present i have short summary:

We rather believe that the reporting system can be improved by adding rewards for proper reporting and limiting the number of flips that can be reported.
Network participants have to agree which flips are bad. First of all, flips must comply with the given pairs of keywords. It’s a clear criteria for reporting.

Rewards for the reported flips are to be distributed among the committee members that reported them. Limiting the number of flips that can be reported would make people choose which flips to report.

The invitation distribution system is to be changes as follows:
- Humans will get 1 invite starting from those with the highest score
- The remaining invites are distributed first to Humans (1 to each account) and then to Verified starting with those having the highest Total score.
As a result, Humans with a low Total score will probably get at least 1 invitation. Verified accounts might get  invitations only if there are invitations left after all Humans have received 2 invitations each.
The targeted number of invitations in the network will be calculated in the same way as it is done now:  50% of the network size after each validation (Idena foundation invitations remaining extra).

The most important ones are the following:
- Sharding Phase 1: Q4
- Oracles voting: Q3-Q4
- Predefined smart contracts: Q4-Q1

Currently we are focused on the following items:
- Validation flow improvements, load testing
- Protocol changes: Reporting system, Identity scoring, Flip reward system
- Extending the node API to enable building Validation-as-a-Service apps on top
- Predefined oracles smart contract integrated into the protocol and UI for the app

Many more still available to read here:
https://t.me/IdenaNetworkPublic/95520


What are your thoughts?

[Krucifer]

News (next changes/propositions) from july 15 AMA. For those who wasn't present i have short summary:

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What are your thoughts?

What I liked the most was my suggestion about invite distribution being implemented in the next hard fork.

As for the rest, it's too early to tell what impact will it have on Idena.

But AMA was quite good.

[investgarant]

Idena's holding up well after the correction, maybe soon we'll see a resumption of growth.

[piebeyb]

Idena's holding up well after the correction, maybe soon we'll see a resumption of growth.

see the income from mining is decreasing and also the income on reward validation and flips, I think it's time to recover hit 2 or 5k satoshi, just need a few other exchanges to really go, see a very good growth from the community