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June 26, 2020, 11:49:36 AM
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On penalty again was late in updating my nodes,  Grin that 4 Dna penalty is 12 hours or less penalized i won;t mind since my mining is on for 24 hours, I just need to be quick on updating my nodes everytime there is an update, glad that we still have 10 days before the validation just enough time to mine more DNA.
Nodes, plural? Do you mean the inbuilt one and external one or do you have multiple identities?

Can you not turn off the miner status **before** you update the node (and re-enable it afterwards obviously)? That way should dont have to rush.....
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June 27, 2020, 01:01:32 AM
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This is so pathetic, while you guys get all the rewards from all the invitations you send out.

USE YOUR DEV FUNDS (50% OF SUPPLY) TO FUND DEVELOPMENT NOT THE INVITATION REWARDS
STOP STEALING FROM FLIP CREATORS AND THOSE USERS WHO ISSUE INVITATIONS
Unfortunatly you are not well informed.
Rewards from the invitations they send, goes to members who spend their time teaching newcomers in Telegram Flip School.
Other funds from invitation have gone to reward community made projects:
Idena Ethereum Relay challenge
The $5k prize of this challenge goes to @henryfour
Sign-In with Idena challenge
First prize ($1.5k)
Idena Discord auth bot — a free Discord bot that links Idena identities with matching Discord roles
Second prize ($1k)
idenary.com — a game and art project built upon Idena
Third prizes ($500 each)
idena.vote — a customized polls website
idenapoll.com — a polling website guaranteeing the uniqueness of each vote and creating sybil-resistant polls
fairdrop.io — airdrops with the fairness they were supposed to have
Read more here:
https://medium.com/idena/idena-announces-the-winners-for-its-challenges-at-gitxchange-hackathon-7bf32495e01d
And no one is stealing anything, reported are reported for a reason and potential dna rewards are burned.

Rioda, you're a smart person, what the f*ck are you talking about?
What is this nonsense?
There was a distribution of the premine,
https://medium.com/idena/idena-community-report-current-state-and-next-steps-dce97a0e3034
Foundation wallet - 521,526 DNA
Now there already
https://scan.idena.io/address/0xcbb98843270812eeCE07BFb82d26b4881a33aA91
756,436 + 110,000 (I checked only the first 100 entries) = 866,436 DNA.

How can this be?
Those who have been in the crypto for a long time, you all know perfectly well that the smaller the premine, the more loyal the users and the more valuable the coin. It is a fact.

How could an increase in premine be allowed?

And do not need these excuses that these coins are used to pay any kind of rewards and prizes.

Don't you understand simple things?
All rewards for users (work, prizes, etc) should be paid only from the initial amount - 521k.
In one day, these 521k coins will end. And this is natural. So then the coins will become more valuable.
Then the developers will have to buy these coins on the exchange in order to pay users for the work/prizes. That is the point. There should not be endless coins. There should be a natural cycle of coins.
Coins are over - coins are bought, coins are over - coins are bought, and so on in a circle
But now developers are paying rewards with free coins received from the air. WTF ?
They don't want to spend premine, they don't want to buy coins on the exchange in order to pay rewards to users.

Just think, users buy coins for money on the exchange. At the same time, developers get them for free every validation.

Will this cause a person’s desire to buy these coins? No.
All rewards from the dev invitations must be burned.
No free money. No increasing premine.
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June 27, 2020, 07:51:50 AM
Last edit: June 27, 2020, 08:07:08 AM by Tytanowy Janusz
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Ok we get it. You don't like it. Ok. I don't like tomatoes. Do I spam about that all the f.ng time? We already discussed it here at least 5 times and you just started it sixth time. Just leave this coins if you don't like it. There could be 30 mln premine and 4 mln in "increasing premine" spread for 10 years or 34 mln in basic premine without "increasing premine". Does it change anything for investor? Supply is Supply. Does it change anything for investor if rewards are distributed to miner or to community devs for doing stuff like that?:

1. https://idenavoice.com
Github: https://github.com/EarthlingDavey/idenavoice

2. https://idena.vote
Github: https://github.com/RealMahmoud/Idena-voting

3. https://idenapoll.com
Github: https://github.com/paolofacchinetti/IdenaPoll

4. idenary.com
Github: https://github.com/Idenary/idenary.com

5. https://fairdrop.io/
Github: https://github.com/fairdrop-io/fairdrop-io

6. Idena Discord auth bot https://discord.gg/8BusRj7
Github: https://github.com/iyomisc/idenauth


These coins will in future be distributed based on network consensus. We will decide how to spend them. This is our community fund for community projects.

Last epoch this wallet get 1200 coin out of 341 800 total rewards (and another 300 000?? mined). 0.15% but yea. Lets talk about that all the time because you don't like it. Do your own coin. Set 0 premine, give coins for free and than start buing them from people just like you want it from IDENA devs.



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June 27, 2020, 10:44:51 AM
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There is one nice button you can use in bitcointalk forum - and it is called Ignore.
No need to talk and reply so many times to the same people over and over again.
If you don't like Idena or Bitcoin or any other coin, why wasting your time talking about it?
Maybe time to visit your local psychiatrist...

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June 27, 2020, 10:51:36 AM
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Please read and take part in an important poll about IDENA rewards.
Now we have absolutely unfair punishment for reported flips.
If someone doesn't know, then for reported flips, you completely lose the reward.
You will not be rewarded for successful validation, for invited users and for flips.
This punishment system must to be changed.
https://idenapoll.com/poll/WfpWH8_
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June 27, 2020, 11:04:29 AM
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Please read and take part in an important poll about IDENA rewards.
Now we have absolutely unfair punishment for reported flips.
If someone doesn't know, then for reported flips, you completely lose the reward.
You will not be rewarded for successful validation, for invited users and for flips.
This punishment system must to be changed.
https://idenapoll.com/poll/WfpWH8_

Voted, even if the options sucks. To loose 50% of all rewards for 1 bad flip and 100% for 2 or more flips. A fair punishment will be to loose the reward for the reported flip not for all flips made, further more for Invites and Validation. What have to do a bad flip with the invite reward, or the validation?!

To Buy, or not to Sell? That is the question.
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June 27, 2020, 11:13:51 AM
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Voted, even if the options sucks. To loose 50% of all rewards for 1 bad flip and 100% for 2 or more flips. A fair punishment will be to loose the reward for the reported flip not for all flips made, further more for Invites and Validation. What have to do a bad flip with the invite reward, or the validation?!

Based on DNA price and flip rewards there is currently 1.5$ per good flip. This is way too less to convince majority of network to do good flips. If it would be like you posted than we would see 90% shitty flips.

50% down after 1 and 100% down after 2 is a fair deal.

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June 27, 2020, 06:23:17 PM
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I read a lot of talks about IDENA getting into Binance, but is it possible for IDENA to get in with the project being in testnet, of course as an old supporter this is welcome news to us, but is this possible. if we are going to wait for the  Mainnet do we have a timeline, can we have an update on this.
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Voted, even if the options sucks. To loose 50% of all rewards for 1 bad flip and 100% for 2 or more flips. A fair punishment will be to loose the reward for the reported flip not for all flips made, further more for Invites and Validation. What have to do a bad flip with the invite reward, or the validation?!

Based on DNA price and flip rewards there is currently 1.5$ per good flip. This is way too less to convince majority of network to do good flips. If it would be like you posted than we would see 90% shitty flips.

50% down after 1 and 100% down after 2 is a fair deal.

Of course...
I don't know who you are but it seems that you are taking the side of the project each and every time even if something is not OK you will say it is, like the example above. Again: what have to do the flips made with the invitation rewards. If I make 2 bad flips I loose the Invite reward, for you is fair Smiley)) Let's assume you are a seller at work: If he don't fulfill your task of selling at least 6 products/ month and you sell only 4, you won't loose your commission only, you won't get your salary either. You would say to your boss: "shrouds fair to me"?. Then let's make things "better" why we don't cut the ability of mining also if you make 3 bad flips, and if you make 4 you owe the Idena network some amount of DNA. Why not?! Let's do it!
In your opinion everything that Idena devs benefit from it is perfect, everything is OK, everything is fair which leads me to the thinking you are one of the devs or some paid shill and I'm done talking to you.

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June 28, 2020, 05:37:26 AM
Last edit: June 30, 2020, 11:57:38 AM by Tytanowy Janusz
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Let's assume you are a seller at work: If he don't fulfill your task of selling at least 6 products/ month and you sell only 4, you won't lose your commission only, you won't get your salary either. You would say to your boss: "shrouds fair to me"?.

Its funny that the only argument for your proposal that you bring is not related to network. It's like you said:
-We should limit plane speed. Planes should not fly with 500 MPH
-why?
-Because you will be killed driving that fast with car...

While you did not refer to my argument. This change would destroy network. No one will care about creating good flips for 1.5$. Let me put it other words:

-you can't take part in validation without creating flips
-you can't mine without creating flips
-you can do it all if you do 3 "1,2,3,4" flips in 30 seconds (without 4.5$ flip rewards)

Is this fair? It is worth to remember that network can't exist without good flips.

then let's make things "better" why we don't cut the ability of mining also if you make 3 bad flips, and if you make 4 you owe the Idena network some amount of DNA. Why not?! Let's do it!
Doing 3 flips is crucial for network and part of every node duty. I don't see a reason why not? 30% mining speed for 1 good flip, 60% for two 100% for 3, 120% for 4 and 150% for 5. Why not? The only case that you are right with is nomenclature that can be confusing. We have good flip reward (1.5$ ... for ~20 min work on flip to make it good) and on the other hand bad flip penalty. We could suggest to devs transfer flip reward funds to validation funds (no flip rewards but higher validation rewards) and leave flip penalty only. Simply to take part in validation you need to create 3 flips. If they were shitty than it is fair to cut validation rewards proportional. That way it would be less confusing.
But at the and it will not change anything despite nomenclature.
Or we could do like 500 DNA per good flip in rewards and reduce mining speed by x% to get funds for that and then apply your suggestion (no bad flip penalty). But in the end (amount of DNA in miner wallet) it will be similar to flip penalty based on reduction of mining speed (only diffrent nomenclature).
But just 1.5$ per flip and no bad flip penalty will destroy network and you know it.

I don't know who you are but it seems that you are taking the side of the project

In your opinion everything that Idena devs benefit from it is perfect,
I just want this network to grow and build long term value for miners and investors. Devs want it too. It should not surprise that we might have same opinion about many cases. And where is here profit for devs? Coins are burned not distributed to devs. You are talking about 100-500$ per epoch less in supply? It's nothing in comparison to 90% shitty flips that we would get after this change. I guess you agree with me because we were talkig a lot about bad flips before. You even wanted pre-validation flip validation:

Regarding the bad flips:
Maybe the team can implement a pre-validation flip verification, so the bad flips don't land on the Short session. The long validation can remain the same.
Now you want to change the only thing that gives financial motivation to create good flips? It does not makes sense.


In order to clarify. By writing "this change" I'm thinking about this suggestion:

A fair punishment will be to loose the reward for the reported flip not for all flips made, further more for Invites and Validation. What have to do a bad flip with the invite reward, or the validation?!

I voted for in official poll - https://idenapoll.com/poll/WfpWH8_
Current penalty is too harsh but no penalty is bad to. 50% is fair deal for me.

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 #1231

Well.. since this is main-test-net Network is understandable that the software is not flawless so we need to live with this.
I like the new wallet feature: Collage tools for making flips. Pretty handy when making flips at first sight (didn't used it yet).

Collage tool is awesome.

I made a joke flip using it. Tool was not very well used by me but a first try, anyway. Smiley


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Any way to optimize client and mining process.
Since last update, my PC constantly freezing, so I need
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Any way to optimize client and mining process.
Since last update, my PC constantly freezing, so I need
to restart it every time  Huh



Do you run the node on a VPS or locally?
If you run the node locally the client runs better if you run the node separately not with the "built-in" option. Additionally you can delete the IPFS folder from Idena/datadir installation folder.

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Any way to optimize client and mining process.
Since last update, my PC constantly freezing, so I need
to restart it every time  Huh



Do you run the node on a VPS or locally?
If you run the node locally the client runs better if you run the node separately not with the "built-in" option. Additionally you can delete the IPFS folder from Idena/datadir installation folder.

I run it locally.
Thanks for suggestion, I will try it  Smiley

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July 04, 2020, 04:22:59 PM
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Are Idena devs going to keep all invitation rewards AGAIN this upcoming validation date and make the reward pool smaller for those that do not have 500 invitations to give away freely like their "God" account has?

Are you going to screw over those who work hard to make flips only to tell them "tough luck" when your buggy wallet and node fail AGAIN?
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July 04, 2020, 05:28:39 PM
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I don't have enough fingers to count how many times you have raised the same issue. How many times you need to hear the same answer? Remeber to use colours, underline and bigger font size next time just like every spamer do. This will for sure change answer you will get.

Any way to optimize client and mining process.
Since last update, my PC constantly freezing, so I need
to restart it every time  Huh

othell_rogue gave good advices. If it wont help try ctrl+alt+del and check what is the issue. CPU, memory, HDD? Report it to devs on discord. realRioda is very helpfull in technical cases.

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July 04, 2020, 07:21:45 PM
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snip

I don't have enough fingers to count how many times you have raised the same issue. How many times you need to hear the same answer? Remeber to use colours, underline and bigger font size next time just like every spamer do. This will for sure change answer you will get.

Any way to optimize client and mining process.
Since last update, my PC constantly freezing, so I need
to restart it every time  Huh

othell_rogue gave good advices. If it wont help try ctrl+alt+del and check what is the issue. CPU, memory, HDD? Report it to devs on discord. realRioda is very helpfull in technical cases.

Its 4 core AMD cpu, with 8 gb RAM memory... the freezing happen only when I run Browser and Idena at
same time. HDD is 100 % healty, but I noticed high I/O Reads.


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July 05, 2020, 02:52:17 PM
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The rule "one bad flip no rewards is insane", sometimes keywords are that random that it is impossible to connect them into a story and admins encourage people to report such flips, which leads some people to report half of the flips. I will be back when you change this rule if you ever will.
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July 05, 2020, 03:24:30 PM
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The rule "one bad flip no rewards is insane", sometimes keywords are that random that it is impossible to connect them into a story and admins encourage people to report such flips, which leads some people to report half of the flips. I will be back when you change this rule if you ever will.

They won't change it, they already steal invitation rewards from the reward pool.

The Idena team missed a huge opportunity and now the momentum is gone.

The flips are getting worse every validation and they keep ignoring the HUGE issue of people's accounts being killed by their buggy software.

They refuse to do anything right, but instead do everything wrong and ignore issues with users' wallet/node experiences.  Roll Eyes
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