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May 21, 2020, 10:09:08 AM
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1- you don't need to read text to solve this flip (red flashing light is enough to understand it)
Wrong. This is exactly how @Falanger solved the flip "in seconds":

In seconds you can tell that the right one is correct, there are a production line and warning sign which tells that some kind of failure happened.

Where you see "any text" rule?

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May 21, 2020, 10:27:10 AM
Last edit: May 21, 2020, 10:59:42 AM by Tytanowy Janusz
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This is a discord admin graphic not official rules. You can do your own graphic and try to convince the majority of network just like anybody else but don't post it here as "10 commandments of Moses" because it is only an opinion of 1 member. I disagree with few points. F.e. no story flips should not be reported in my opinion. Consensus is made to decide if flip has story or not. Reports are made to sort out flips that validates rules. If no story flips was meant to be reported than why we even take part in first stage of long session?

I will not report good flip that work for network (decide if you are bot or not in correct way) only because it is not perfect according to 1 member that created nice graphic to present his own subjective approach to the matter.

1- you don't need to read text to solve this flip (red flashing light is enough to understand it)
Wrong. This is exactly how @Falanger solved the flip "in seconds":

In seconds you can tell that the right one is correct, there are a production line and warning sign which tells that some kind of failure happened.

Is it doable without reading? YES

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This picture shows list of points that makes a good flip according to Set Animals. It does not say that every other should be reported - this are not reporting rules.



Will you report all flips that did not use available tools?

Official reporting rules that are visible under report button:


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May 21, 2020, 10:42:42 AM
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Yes dude, you were right, that's why I am a Human with 97%+ score Wink

The fact that you're good at solving flips does not mean that you're good at reporting them. 80% is nuts.
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May 21, 2020, 11:06:38 AM
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You can say whatever you want. May I be subjective or not, but if you use text in your flips for me is a bad flip and I will report it 100% of the time. Not just because I can, but because I don't use text in my flips and I put a lot of effort to make them very good, sometime like @Saisher said earlier I work days to make 5 good flips. End of story.

Yes dude, you were right, that's why I am a Human with 97%+ score Wink

The fact that you're good at solving flips does not mean that you're good at reporting them. 80% is nuts.

...said the account registered 4 minutes prior the post.

Get lost!


 
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May 21, 2020, 11:12:27 AM
Last edit: May 21, 2020, 11:49:48 AM by Tytanowy Janusz
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You can say whatever you want. May I be subjective or not, but if you use text in your flips for me is a bad flip and I will report it 100% of the time. Not just because I can, but because I don't use text in my flips and I put a lot of effort to make them very good, sometime like @Saisher said earlier I work days to make 5 good flips. End of story.


Let me paraphrase you OK?

"I'm harming network ... i know that ... but i'll do it no matter what because i spend so much time on making perfect flips (according to nice graphic) and now i expect everyone to do it the same way"

Do what you want. Just know that you are harming network. Hopefully there are not many people that think that validation is made to choose 100 best flips rather than 2000 that are good enough to check if someone is bot or not.

Report all flips that did not use available tools also ok? I think you should do that if you consider "good flip advices" equal to "reporting rules".

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May 21, 2020, 11:49:54 AM
Last edit: May 21, 2020, 12:29:24 PM by notblox1
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Developers have said that having words/text in flip that helps you solve the flip should be reported.
That those not mean that we have to report every flip, but words will also make flip easy for AI.

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May 21, 2020, 03:18:58 PM
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You can say whatever you want. May I be subjective or not, but if you use text in your flips for me is a bad flip and I will report it 100% of the time. Not just because I can, but because I don't use text in my flips and I put a lot of effort to make them very good, sometime like @Saisher said earlier I work days to make 5 good flips. End of story.


So if I use a picture from the photobank that contains the copyright of this photobank in the form of text, or any other type of text which does not help to understand or solve flip, than you will make a report Smiley Now I finally understand why some individuals report my flips, it's so stupid, but there are 1-3 such reports, sometimes 4, but I haven’t had 5 or more reports.

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May 21, 2020, 05:41:15 PM
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You can say whatever you want. May I be subjective or not, but if you use text in your flips for me is a bad flip and I will report it 100% of the time. Not just because I can, but because I don't use text in my flips and I put a lot of effort to make them very good, sometime like @Saisher said earlier I work days to make 5 good flips. End of story.


So if I use a picture from the photobank that contains the copyright of this photobank in the form of text, or any other type of text which does not help to understand or solve flip, than you will make a report Smiley Now I finally understand why some individuals report my flips, it's so stupid, but there are 1-3 such reports, sometimes 4, but I haven’t had 5 or more reports.

I didn't reported such flips and I won't. This is exaggerated.
Anyway I keep my position since there are thousands of bad (texted flips out there) not reported. All you need to do is scroll trough the explorer and you'll find a lot of bad flips, and note that you can only see 25% of the images there due to encrypted content, see for yourself:

https://scan.idena.io/flip/bafkreicrezysrjryo5olcge3cvtal3ppivsnvmvbg6uhgp2gb3btr7rxde
https://scan.idena.io/flip/bafkreifyqhilalws3gjtqqphwycth4sm3fqvhqha25t6267vkpxjntwpva
https://scan.idena.io/flip/bafkreidjc7wqobd57igpaiknhmvh4lhaknu7adajsxieaxxa6h5xdbjb3e
https://scan.idena.io/flip/bafkreibghcy7trqm7osujfhhep2sezhn6tdt5rqgdobvyeewyq5dxoxmau
https://scan.idena.io/flip/bafkreid4p3oufuppa7uo22prubaxowcvjl3cssmcej547sdjdnjemhdzgy
https://scan.idena.io/flip/bafkreiadyf5mquflh5od7265ichazb674umwqvlhcqpfifr26lkgtrv7x4
https://scan.idena.io/flip/bafkreiethmpgimrzflz4h4qfijeiy53k5o36khxuh7sor5wjtlff7sdoxm
https://scan.idena.io/flip/bafkreibyo4q2m6fqdho7xxritpmvznr3alakzjyxvntamwm7kx7xeudjcq
https://scan.idena.io/flip/bafkreiesklgec7xnyvw3knfkc5qhemxkwdvbgmfpnhxvp67rptu734px7m
https://scan.idena.io/flip/bafkreicyw6youe2s5ua7y3zeumskvu7f27zabfn2rg2fhrsatmaju4x3ey
https://scan.idena.io/flip/bafkreifj42rolmsagi4hzshqrbkcjjnk2nfejdqd3ld4udq6cistpwod4e

and so on...

Note: this is a 5 min digging.



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May 22, 2020, 12:36:30 PM
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If you do not report such flips then you are doing everything right. And then I don't understand why this was said:
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A good flip should not contain, letters, numbers, any text and also both words needs to be illustrated in the flip images.
I agree that there are a lot of low-quality flips and I do reports myself. But there is no rule that there cannot be text on flips and anyone can check when flips need to be reported in Idena app.

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Developers have said that having words/text in flip that helps you solve the flip should be reported.
That those not mean that we have to report every flip, but words will also make flip easy for AI.

I was surprised that some of the flips I encountered had numbers on it, that makes things easy for me to solve it but I have reported these flips because it makes things easy without actually looking at all the flips.
Since we are implementing no rewards for reported flips I tried to be considerate because it's not really easy to create flips with a limited number of words presented to you.

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Last edit: May 22, 2020, 05:47:06 PM by notblox1
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I was surprised that some of the flips I encountered had numbers on it, that makes things easy for me to solve it but I have reported these flips because it makes things easy without actually looking at all the flips.
Since we are implementing no rewards for reported flips I tried to be considerate because it's not really easy to create flips with a limited number of words presented to you.

And that is correct thing to do.
Idea is to create flips that are easy to understand and solve for humans, but hard for AI.
I would also like to see more word combiantions.

I agree that there are a lot of low-quality flips and I do reports myself. But there is no rule that there cannot be text on flips and anyone can check when flips need to be reported in Idena app.
and for @Tytanowy Janusz

Why would you help AI with words/text?
Make flips like for small kids that can not read.
Also lot of people dont speak or read english, and others can't read chinese, korean, russian or indian letters and words.
Flips should be universal.

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May 22, 2020, 09:48:41 PM
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I would say, no text that explains the story or keywords, but if someone struggles to find picture with good story, but has some text in it, I don't report it...  Huh

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May 22, 2020, 10:17:42 PM
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I would say, no text that explains the story or keywords, but if someone struggles to find picture with good story, but has some text in it, I don't report it...  Huh
What about the people from China, Korea, India, Russia or other parts of the world that can't read english, and vice versa?
You can get Flip with arabic words you don't understand.

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May 22, 2020, 10:22:05 PM
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What about the people from China, Korea, India, Russia or other parts of the world that can't read english,
and vice versa?

Nothing, you did not understand me. If there is text that is crucial to understand story, that should be reported. But if there is text on picture that is there but not directly explaining the story, I am not reporting that.

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can some one give me a invite code? i cannot use telegrame!

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May 23, 2020, 08:07:40 AM
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What about the people from China, Korea, India, Russia or other parts of the world that can't read english, and vice versa?
You can get Flip with arabic words you don't understand.

I agree with realRioda. If there are words but flip is doable without reading them than it is a good flip. Especially if it is only a company logo (like wallmart, youtube or KFC), or fu**ing newsletter name like in this flip that was posted by othell_rogue:
https://scan.idena.io/flip/bafkreibyo4q2m6fqdho7xxritpmvznr3alakzjyxvntamwm7kx7xeudjcq

While reporting i'm like:
1- is this flip validating rules? (there 3 official rules)
2- is this flip good for network? (check if someone is bot or not in correct way)
3- would I or any other node suffer from receiving such flip (f.e. flip is understandable only in 1 culture)

I would definite not go like that ---> I think i see a letter in here ... report!

can some one give me a invite code? i cannot use telegrame!

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can some one give me a invite code? i cannot use telegrame!

All the latest news about Idena are on their telegram you should install telegram you can use a pc or your android phone,I don't know why you cannot install IDENA in your PC, when it's easy to install, you cannot mine IDENA if you do not have a pc.



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May 24, 2020, 02:41:26 PM
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can some one give me a invite code? i cannot use telegrame!

All the latest news about Idena are on their telegram you should install telegram you can use a pc or your android phone,I don't know why you cannot install IDENA in your PC, when it's easy to install, you cannot mine IDENA if you do not have a pc.

this because our net cannot access the telegramme, i sure install the IDENA on my pc, now i have to have a invite code to activate my INDENA.

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May 24, 2020, 05:30:34 PM
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There is new poll out there:

IDENA Vote

Should Idena:

A. Leave the current system of penalties. One reported flip = loss of all rewards from validation.

B. Use a proportional system of fines for bad flips.  1 bad flip - 1 unpaid reward, 2 bad flips = 2 unpaid rewards, etc. And all rewards are not rejected for bad flips.

1) A.
0x0adc1dc970b0750e253ec97b4a9e3c85c04dedac (https://scan.idena.io/address?address=0x0adc1dc970b0750e253ec97b4a9e3c85c04dedac)

2) B.
0x818c464ea1bbf2d5212a2c8dead3971e5636405b (https://scan.idena.io/address?address=0x818c464ea1bbf2d5212a2c8dead3971e5636405b)

Send small amount of DNA to one of the addresses to vote for associated option.

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Vote ends on 2020-05-30 12:00:00 UTC

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