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May 21, 2020, 11:49:54 AM
Last edit: May 21, 2020, 12:29:24 PM by notblox1
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Developers have said that having words/text in flip that helps you solve the flip should be reported.
That those not mean that we have to report every flip, but words will also make flip easy for AI.

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May 21, 2020, 03:18:58 PM
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You can say whatever you want. May I be subjective or not, but if you use text in your flips for me is a bad flip and I will report it 100% of the time. Not just because I can, but because I don't use text in my flips and I put a lot of effort to make them very good, sometime like @Saisher said earlier I work days to make 5 good flips. End of story.


So if I use a picture from the photobank that contains the copyright of this photobank in the form of text, or any other type of text which does not help to understand or solve flip, than you will make a report Smiley Now I finally understand why some individuals report my flips, it's so stupid, but there are 1-3 such reports, sometimes 4, but I haven’t had 5 or more reports.
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May 21, 2020, 05:41:15 PM
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You can say whatever you want. May I be subjective or not, but if you use text in your flips for me is a bad flip and I will report it 100% of the time. Not just because I can, but because I don't use text in my flips and I put a lot of effort to make them very good, sometime like @Saisher said earlier I work days to make 5 good flips. End of story.


So if I use a picture from the photobank that contains the copyright of this photobank in the form of text, or any other type of text which does not help to understand or solve flip, than you will make a report Smiley Now I finally understand why some individuals report my flips, it's so stupid, but there are 1-3 such reports, sometimes 4, but I haven’t had 5 or more reports.

I didn't reported such flips and I won't. This is exaggerated.
Anyway I keep my position since there are thousands of bad (texted flips out there) not reported. All you need to do is scroll trough the explorer and you'll find a lot of bad flips, and note that you can only see 25% of the images there due to encrypted content, see for yourself:

https://scan.idena.io/flip/bafkreicrezysrjryo5olcge3cvtal3ppivsnvmvbg6uhgp2gb3btr7rxde
https://scan.idena.io/flip/bafkreifyqhilalws3gjtqqphwycth4sm3fqvhqha25t6267vkpxjntwpva
https://scan.idena.io/flip/bafkreidjc7wqobd57igpaiknhmvh4lhaknu7adajsxieaxxa6h5xdbjb3e
https://scan.idena.io/flip/bafkreibghcy7trqm7osujfhhep2sezhn6tdt5rqgdobvyeewyq5dxoxmau
https://scan.idena.io/flip/bafkreid4p3oufuppa7uo22prubaxowcvjl3cssmcej547sdjdnjemhdzgy
https://scan.idena.io/flip/bafkreiadyf5mquflh5od7265ichazb674umwqvlhcqpfifr26lkgtrv7x4
https://scan.idena.io/flip/bafkreiethmpgimrzflz4h4qfijeiy53k5o36khxuh7sor5wjtlff7sdoxm
https://scan.idena.io/flip/bafkreibyo4q2m6fqdho7xxritpmvznr3alakzjyxvntamwm7kx7xeudjcq
https://scan.idena.io/flip/bafkreiesklgec7xnyvw3knfkc5qhemxkwdvbgmfpnhxvp67rptu734px7m
https://scan.idena.io/flip/bafkreicyw6youe2s5ua7y3zeumskvu7f27zabfn2rg2fhrsatmaju4x3ey
https://scan.idena.io/flip/bafkreifj42rolmsagi4hzshqrbkcjjnk2nfejdqd3ld4udq6cistpwod4e

and so on...

Note: this is a 5 min digging.




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May 22, 2020, 12:36:30 PM
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If you do not report such flips then you are doing everything right. And then I don't understand why this was said:
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A good flip should not contain, letters, numbers, any text and also both words needs to be illustrated in the flip images.
I agree that there are a lot of low-quality flips and I do reports myself. But there is no rule that there cannot be text on flips and anyone can check when flips need to be reported in Idena app.
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May 22, 2020, 01:03:26 PM
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Developers have said that having words/text in flip that helps you solve the flip should be reported.
That those not mean that we have to report every flip, but words will also make flip easy for AI.

I was surprised that some of the flips I encountered had numbers on it, that makes things easy for me to solve it but I have reported these flips because it makes things easy without actually looking at all the flips.
Since we are implementing no rewards for reported flips I tried to be considerate because it's not really easy to create flips with a limited number of words presented to you.

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May 22, 2020, 04:30:58 PM
Last edit: May 22, 2020, 05:47:06 PM by notblox1
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I was surprised that some of the flips I encountered had numbers on it, that makes things easy for me to solve it but I have reported these flips because it makes things easy without actually looking at all the flips.
Since we are implementing no rewards for reported flips I tried to be considerate because it's not really easy to create flips with a limited number of words presented to you.

And that is correct thing to do.
Idea is to create flips that are easy to understand and solve for humans, but hard for AI.
I would also like to see more word combiantions.

I agree that there are a lot of low-quality flips and I do reports myself. But there is no rule that there cannot be text on flips and anyone can check when flips need to be reported in Idena app.
and for @Tytanowy Janusz

Why would you help AI with words/text?
Make flips like for small kids that can not read.
Also lot of people dont speak or read english, and others can't read chinese, korean, russian or indian letters and words.
Flips should be universal.

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May 22, 2020, 09:48:41 PM
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I would say, no text that explains the story or keywords, but if someone struggles to find picture with good story, but has some text in it, I don't report it...  Huh

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May 22, 2020, 10:17:42 PM
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I would say, no text that explains the story or keywords, but if someone struggles to find picture with good story, but has some text in it, I don't report it...  Huh
What about the people from China, Korea, India, Russia or other parts of the world that can't read english, and vice versa?
You can get Flip with arabic words you don't understand.

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May 22, 2020, 10:22:05 PM
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What about the people from China, Korea, India, Russia or other parts of the world that can't read english,
and vice versa?

Nothing, you did not understand me. If there is text that is crucial to understand story, that should be reported. But if there is text on picture that is there but not directly explaining the story, I am not reporting that.

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can some one give me a invite code? i cannot use telegrame!

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What about the people from China, Korea, India, Russia or other parts of the world that can't read english, and vice versa?
You can get Flip with arabic words you don't understand.

I agree with realRioda. If there are words but flip is doable without reading them than it is a good flip. Especially if it is only a company logo (like wallmart, youtube or KFC), or fu**ing newsletter name like in this flip that was posted by othell_rogue:
https://scan.idena.io/flip/bafkreibyo4q2m6fqdho7xxritpmvznr3alakzjyxvntamwm7kx7xeudjcq

While reporting i'm like:
1- is this flip validating rules? (there 3 official rules)
2- is this flip good for network? (check if someone is bot or not in correct way)
3- would I or any other node suffer from receiving such flip (f.e. flip is understandable only in 1 culture)

I would definite not go like that ---> I think i see a letter in here ... report!

can some one give me a invite code? i cannot use telegrame!

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May 23, 2020, 04:51:56 PM
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can some one give me a invite code? i cannot use telegrame!

All the latest news about Idena are on their telegram you should install telegram you can use a pc or your android phone,I don't know why you cannot install IDENA in your PC, when it's easy to install, you cannot mine IDENA if you do not have a pc.
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May 24, 2020, 02:41:26 PM
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can some one give me a invite code? i cannot use telegrame!

All the latest news about Idena are on their telegram you should install telegram you can use a pc or your android phone,I don't know why you cannot install IDENA in your PC, when it's easy to install, you cannot mine IDENA if you do not have a pc.

this because our net cannot access the telegramme, i sure install the IDENA on my pc, now i have to have a invite code to activate my INDENA.

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May 24, 2020, 05:30:34 PM
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There is new poll out there:

IDENA Vote

Should Idena:

A. Leave the current system of penalties. One reported flip = loss of all rewards from validation.

B. Use a proportional system of fines for bad flips.  1 bad flip - 1 unpaid reward, 2 bad flips = 2 unpaid rewards, etc. And all rewards are not rejected for bad flips.

1) A.
0x0adc1dc970b0750e253ec97b4a9e3c85c04dedac (https://scan.idena.io/address?address=0x0adc1dc970b0750e253ec97b4a9e3c85c04dedac)

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0x818c464ea1bbf2d5212a2c8dead3971e5636405b (https://scan.idena.io/address?address=0x818c464ea1bbf2d5212a2c8dead3971e5636405b)

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May 24, 2020, 05:38:25 PM
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can some one give me a invite code? i cannot use telegrame!

All the latest news about Idena are on their telegram you should install telegram you can use a pc or your android phone,I don't know why you cannot install IDENA in your PC, when it's easy to install, you cannot mine IDENA if you do not have a pc.

this because our net cannot access the telegramme, i sure install the IDENA on my pc, now i have to have a invite code to activate my INDENA.

If you cannot access telegram link to download , then there is now way you can run Idena something is not right here,there's a possibility that the invite code will be wasted you must first prove that you have installed Idena and that is synced before you can get an invite code, that is one of the qualification.
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I personally prefer option A, because otherwise the network will be full of bad flips.

Let's say you are a human which has about 700 DNA as reward for the last validation. In the first scenario if you make 1 bad flip you will lose all your reward and next time will create better flips. In the second one you'll just lose 15 DNA, which is tiny 2% of your overall reward. You may even don't notice such a penalty and will continue to make bad flips.

If you want some trade off I would suggest the third option C:
C. 1 bad flip = 20% of overall reward unpaid instead of 1 flip reward unpaid like in option B. 20% means 1 flips out of 5 is bad. 40% means 2 out of 5 are bad, etc.

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May 24, 2020, 07:18:13 PM
Last edit: May 25, 2020, 03:59:20 PM by Tytanowy Janusz
 #1038

If you want some trade off I would suggest the third option C:
C. 1 bad flip = 20% of overall reward unpaid instead of 1 flip reward unpaid like in option B. 20% means 1 flips out of 5 is bad. 40% means 2 out of 5 are bad, etc.

That's the one and only right solution. I agree.

If you cannot access telegram link to download , then there is now way you can run Idena something is not right here,there's a possibility that the invite code will be wasted you must first prove that you have installed Idena and that is synced before you can get an invite code, that is one of the qualification.

Already send him invitation but I'll give it to someone else if he won't activate it 3 days before validation.

@brendan6498011 hope you are ok with that?

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Quote from: dukabit_telegram
We now have first Idena signatures for Bitcointalk forum
(thanks to Navi)
Anyone can apply to wear them,
starting from Jr.Member to Legendary.
Just REPLY to this message with your RANK, and you will get yours.

Thank you!

Looks great!

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how i can wear the signature? where to write?

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May 25, 2020, 05:24:31 PM
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edit:
Quote from: dukabit_telegram
We now have first Idena signatures for Bitcointalk forum
(thanks to Navi)
Anyone can apply to wear them,
starting from Jr.Member to Legendary.
Just REPLY to this message with your RANK, and you will get yours.

Thank you!

Looks great!

Are we are going to have a signature campaign it will attract a lot of attention both from bounty hunters, miners and investors I hope the team launch one, although we have a good promotion by word of the mouth and invitation, it will give us a big leap if we launch a bounty campaign, IDENA is doing good in the market, it will show it's real potential once we transfer to mainnet.

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