Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[tvbcof]

Speaking of supplying arms to Ukraine, one country who is not doing so is Israel when the U.S. was begging for SAMs recently.  Of course I think it was a good choice for a number of reasons, but it's also a perfect illustration of who is the horse and who is the rider when it comes to the U.S.<->Israel relationship.

Another good choice was to decline U.N. authorization for the 'free world' banking cartel to steal Russian's money.  After decades of covering for Israel and their ethnic cleansing campaigns in the U.N. it's a real kick in the teeth.  But, you know, holocaust and stuff.  That Israel's was a straight-up 'no' vote instead of an abstention was analogous to Netenyahoo doing Biden in the ass and neglecting the vaseline.

I guess maybe if we U.S. taxpayers double the $$$1,000,000,000's we give to Israel every year maybe they will be nicer to us.  Worth a shot.

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[montaga]

Polish TV (TVP1) showing what will be the end result of the war.
Russia to get all of the south, Poland the west, Hungary the Hungarian speaking section of Ukraine to the natural border of the Carpathian mountain range and Romania a little chunk also.
Ukraine a land locked country with no friendly neighbors.

[nutildah]

Polish TV (TVP1) showing what will be the end result of the war.
Russia to get all of the south, Poland the west, Hungary the Hungarian speaking section of Ukraine to the natural border of the Carpathian mountain range and Romania a little chunk also.
Ukraine a land locked country with no friendly neighbors.

LOL this is from 2014 and it was based on a projection by former Russian MP Volodymyr Zhirinovsky.

https://voxukraine.org/en/updated-fake-a-map-illustrating-poland-s-intention-to-appropriate-the-western-regions-of-ukraine/

It should be noted that on March 17, 2022, the Polish government officially stated that the narratives about Poland’s hostile intentions towards Ukraine and its alleged desire to occupy the western regions of Ukraine are part of russia’s aggressive propaganda and disinformation.

https://theins.ru/en/antifake/249703

2015 pro-Russian WordPress blog also incorrectly stating what the map represents:

https://02varvara.wordpress.com/2015/07/02/2-july-2015-an-interesting-map-that-surfaced-on-polish-tv/

I’d say that no one expects the notional “Ukrainian” state to last another year…

[montaga]

Was all long ago agreed on, way before the war started. Same with Yugoslavia or any other war.

[tvbcof]

Polish TV (TVP1) showing what will be the end result of the war.
Russia to get all of the south, Poland the west, Hungary the Hungarian speaking section of Ukraine to the natural border of the Carpathian mountain range and Romania a little chunk also.
Ukraine a land locked country with no friendly neighbors.

Seems about right and what I was expecting when Russia's earlier offers to end the war were rejected by the NaZioCons.  Now, after these freaks demonstrated the necessity, I would say that Russia gets a big chunk of the NE as well for better protection and sealing off of the cancer.

Necessary to give Hungary and Romania a few crumbs to get them on-board.

Eventually also the parts of Germany that Poland was given should go back to their rightful owners.  In righting that wrong perhaps Russia and Germany will land-lock Poland from the North...maybe leaving them one potential port opportunity at Szczecin for economic and practical reasons, but not enough territory to interfere with communications between Germany and Kalingrad.

I would suggest as well that White Russia take the nuke power plants (and nuclear waste-land) up there and the remaining plants in Ukraine be completely dismantled before handing over the territory upon which they sit.  If this does not happen, they will just be big dirty bombs to threaten the world with.  If Ukraine has proven one thing in this whole operation it is that there is no limit to the depths of evil that they are not willing to plumb.

[nutildah]

Wow, absolutely no reservations about swallowing fake news hook line n sinker, even when it was very easy to prove that its fake. You guys couldn't even bother do a simple reverse image search before accepting information that suits your world view. I mean in 2023 that's pretty amazing.

[tvbcof]

Wow, absolutely no reservations about swallowing fake news hook line n sinker, even when it was very easy to prove that its fake. You guys couldn't even bother do a simple reverse image search before accepting information that suits your world view. I mean in 2023 that's pretty amazing.

If you bothered to read what you snipped, assuming you have at-par reading comprehension skills, you'll notice that your comment makes zero sense.

I only commented that the image, wherever it came from, was pretty much what I had in mind since a month or two after the special military operation started because it was by that time clear that the NaZioCons and their coke-head actor puppet 'president' were doing everything possible to ethnically cleanse the Slavic population and partition Ukraine down to more where it should be.

[montaga]

Same story time and time again
The WW1 Armistice was signed on 11 11   18.
The number plate on the car causing the war “AIII 118”
https://web.archive.org/web/20210513160643/https://www.edition-wh.at/product/das-auto-von-sarajevo/

[paxmao]

Ukraine should surrender just to save all of us from Russian wrath. US military commanders simply don't believe Russia will use its firepower. The rest of us realize that the Russian military is not full of super military machines. But the few they have could be used against any of us, and we won't know where until we are hit.

I will not answer to a post written in blue large letter on a thread that is not about typography. I will however report it if you keep on making inadequate used of it.

By the way, it seems that Germany has given green light to sending Leopard II to Ukraine. It's impressive capabilities include holding beers while moving in rough terrain. Can't beat that.

Are you seriously? Scholz resisted with all four paws so as not to transfer the Leopards to Ukraine, because this is very unprofitable for Germany, and Ukraine will not help anyway. Well, Europe has lost its right to strategic sovereignty over such matters and has once again been forced to succumb to US pressure.

The transfer of German tanks to Ukraine is not a victory for Ukraine, but a defeat for Germany. Now all European countries have a free hand to transfer their old Leopards to Ukraine, and in return they will buy not new Leopards, but American Abrams. Leopards will burn or get stuck in the impenetrable mud of Ukraine, the US will receive new orders, and Germany will receive nothing.

I am very serious, they can hold a beer while running through difficult terrain, look: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGzRfvgnS_s

The US has mentioned sending a few Abrams, but that may take plenty of time. They run on Jet Fuel and are difficult to maintain. Mud and all it is fine, I think they are planning a summer campaign. My crystal ball says Mariupol would be a great achievement if they get around 200 tanks plus supporting combined arms, but may be just too early.

Oh, you mean, serious about the approval... yes of course, you need to stop watching the official propaganda and have a look at some press headlines of "the enemy":

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-64396659

Oh, yes of course... it is a defeat for Europe if you say so, but ... Are these tanks going to fight Italy or France? Will they be killing Spanish or Greeks? I would say this is more like a clear indication that the RF diplomacy is pretty much at its lowest point ever. You cannot even convince one of your largest trading partners of not sending their best land weaponry against you. What a victory.

I have said it many times, the RF and Europe are not ever the winners of this war and the key to stop both losses is in your beloved Putin's hands.

Polish TV (TVP1) showing what will be the end result of the war.
Russia to get all of the south, Poland the west, Hungary the Hungarian speaking section of Ukraine to the natural border of the Carpathian mountain range and Romania a little chunk also.
Ukraine a land locked country with no friendly neighbors.

LOL this is from 2014 and it was based on a projection by former Russian MP Volodymyr Zhirinovsky.

https://voxukraine.org/en/updated-fake-a-map-illustrating-poland-s-intention-to-appropriate-the-western-regions-of-ukraine/

It should be noted that on March 17, 2022, the Polish government officially stated that the narratives about Poland’s hostile intentions towards Ukraine and its alleged desire to occupy the western regions of Ukraine are part of russia’s aggressive propaganda and disinformation.

https://theins.ru/en/antifake/249703

2015 pro-Russian WordPress blog also incorrectly stating what the map represents:

https://02varvara.wordpress.com/2015/07/02/2-july-2015-an-interesting-map-that-surfaced-on-polish-tv/

I’d say that no one expects the notional “Ukrainian” state to last another year…

Poland has donated weapons to Ukraine beyond measure for its size and has been critical to authorise the Leopard II. Your fake / theory is absolutely inconsistent with reality

[BADecker]

While I don't agree with the below article... that Nato is the greatest threat... I would say that it is one of the greatest threats to world freedom. Nato has destroyed many countries here and there, just to prop up the failing US banking system. Now they have destroyed Ukraine, and are trying to wipe Russia out.


NATO the Greatest Threat to Civilization


https://www.theburningplatform.com/2023/01/26/nato-the-greatest-threat-to-civilization/
The day of communism and its spread as a religious cult is over, except in the West where Socialism is the means of the power of the state and to keep the people dependent upon that power the very exact way that communism worked. Despite the fact that communism collapsed it was so inefficient and deprived the people of even freedom to imagine and curiosity that is the seed of advancing society. Without that freedom to imagine and the curiosity to discover new things, society withers and dies.

The Neocons see only hatred and war. John McCain openly met with the Neonatzis of Ukraine and promised them the funding to destroy Russia. Nobody thinks about the people. It is always this ideological endeavor to destroy an opponent as if this were a Roman Gladiator Contest to the death. They expect the people to utter the same words – "We who are about to die, salute you."
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[TwitchySeal]

Now they have destroyed Ukraine, and are trying to wipe Russia out.

Russia invaded Ukraine, not NATO.  NATO is helping Ukraine defend itself against Russian attacks. 

[BADecker]

Now they have destroyed Ukraine, and are trying to wipe Russia out.

Russia invaded Ukraine, not NATO.  NATO is helping Ukraine defend itself against Russian attacks. 

The CIA that interfered with Ukrainian elections since at least 2014, thereby conquering Ukraine, is not a Russian organization. How is it that you are one of few people who doesn't know that the CIA is a US organization?

[be.open]

Oh, yes of course... it is a defeat for Europe if you say so, but ... Are these tanks going to fight Italy or France? Will they be killing Spanish or Greeks? I would say this is more like a clear indication that the RF diplomacy is pretty much at its lowest point ever. You cannot even convince one of your largest trading partners of not sending their best land weaponry against you. What a victory.

How are the progress with the expansion of NATO to the East? Burning a Koran a week until Erdogan agrees looks like a great idea.

[TwitchySeal]

Oh, yes of course... it is a defeat for Europe if you say so, but ... Are these tanks going to fight Italy or France? Will they be killing Spanish or Greeks? I would say this is more like a clear indication that the RF diplomacy is pretty much at its lowest point ever. You cannot even convince one of your largest trading partners of not sending their best land weaponry against you. What a victory.

How are the progress with the expansion of NATO to the East? Burning a Koran a week until Erdogan agrees looks like a great idea.

Sneaky Russians...


Burning of Qur’an in Stockholm funded by journalist with Kremlin ties

Permit for demonstration at which anti-Islam provocateur burned Muslim holy book was paid for by far-right journalist linked to Moscow-backed media

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/27/burning-of-quran-in-stockholm-funded-by-journalist-with-kremlin-ties-sweden-nato-russia

Now they have destroyed Ukraine, and are trying to wipe Russia out.

Russia invaded Ukraine, not NATO.  NATO is helping Ukraine defend itself against Russian attacks.  

The CIA that interfered with Ukrainian elections since at least 2014, thereby conquering Ukraine, is not a Russian organization. How is it that you are one of few people who doesn't know that the CIA is a US organization?

Ukraine is a country with it's own government and military.  It hasn't been conquered by any other country since declaring independence.  Russia is trying to conquer Ukraine right now, which is why all the death and destruction is happening. That's the subject of this thread: "Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]"  NATO is helping Ukraine defend itself.  NATO is not attacking Ukraine.  Russia is.

[montaga]

Given, given, given
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine#/media/File:Ukraine-growth.png

[tvbcof]

Given, given, given
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine#/media/File:Ukraine-growth.png

If I were Russia, I'd make kind of a working rule about the minimum of what Russia will control of the former Ukraine, via integration into the federation or otherwise, when the unconditional surrender happens:

 - Take the highest range of munitions supplied by NATO during the special military action, then draw a base-line from the Russian border of that distance.

Beyond that, I'd also promise fair elections to any potentially salvageable region of former Ukraine to see if the peeps vote to go down with the woke West, or integrate into the RF in some manner.  Probably a lot of the reason why the NaZiocon leadership of present-day Ukraine is are so active in ethic cleansing is that they hope to influence future voting along these lines.

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Another thing which occurs to me is that if Poland and/or Romania can be induced to 'get into it' with Russia by enjoining active combat in Ukraine, both of them have territory which would be very useful for Russia to have control of when the dust settles.  Namely the seaboards between Russia <-> Germany, and Russia <-> Bulgaria respectively.

I wonder if everyone is missing the whole picture when they look at all the Russian troops in Belarussia and thinking South.  I doubt that Putin has forgotten the recent insults to Kaliningrad, or the assault on undersea pipeline infrastructure, even if these things are a distant memory to everyone in the 'collective West'.

[BADecker]

^^^ Yep!

Maybe Putin has been watching the US/Nato encroachment on the world, and is getting fed up with it.

For us peons, it's like a volcano about to erupt into WWx.

Which reminds me. If anybody is worried about global warming, all they need to do is nuke a couple of big volcanoes into activity, to get enough ash into the atmosphere to block the sun. Easy, right?

[tvbcof]

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Which reminds me. If anybody is worried about global warming, all they need to do is nuke a couple of big volcanoes into activity, to get enough ash into the atmosphere to block the sun. Easy, right?

That's the excuse used for putting chemicals into the atmosphere by those involved in the process.  The call it 'solar radiation management'...when it was no longer possible to convince the sheep 'nothing to see here, move along.'

Even though it's highly discouraged, a small fraction of living people sometimes stare at the sky for the same basic reason that dogs lick their balls; 'because they can.'

[BADecker]

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Which reminds me. If anybody is worried about global warming, all they need to do is nuke a couple of big volcanoes into activity, to get enough ash into the atmosphere to block the sun. Easy, right?

That's the excuse used for putting chemicals into the atmosphere by those involved in the process.  The call it 'solar radiation management'...when it was no longer possible to convince the sheep 'nothing to see here, move along.'

Even though it's highly discouraged, a small fraction of living people sometimes stare at the sky for the same basic reason that dogs lick their balls; 'because they can.'

That's some real enlightenment!

Don't look at the skies. You've got too much slaving work to do for us to think about freedom possibilities. So, we're gonna cover the skies so you can't see out even if you look.

Chemtrails are getting too expensive. And nuking volcanoes would show you that we are serious about keeping you as our slaves. So we'll make the Ukrainian war to take your focus off the real reason why we're using the nukes.

Great insight.

[be.open]

Sneaky Russians...


Burning of Qur’an in Stockholm funded by journalist with Kremlin ties

Permit for demonstration at which anti-Islam provocateur burned Muslim holy book was paid for by far-right journalist linked to Moscow-backed media

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/27/burning-of-quran-in-stockholm-funded-by-journalist-with-kremlin-ties-sweden-nato-russia

Ahaha, if a lone action of some lunatic can prevent Sweden from joining NATO, then Sweden is not so eager to get into NATO.