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December 23, 2013, 05:05:36 AM
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For real? Did someone pay 200 BTC in transaction fee?! LOL! SO FUNNY! Anyways, that's besides the point. The question is: can I still receive money with [[change received]] address? I just want to make sure.

Another thing you can do: check "hide change" and that will hide all of the associated bitcoin address with [[change received]] address. It's a nice feature to have, so perhaps I overlooked this feature. You're right, it's not a bug; thanks for clearing this up. Kudos.

[[change received]] labels an address as having being used for change. The address is of course still valid, as it holds your change. the Bitcoin protocol strongly recommends to not reuse addresses, mainly to protect your privacy. So, as default, Armory picks a new address in your wallet every time it needs to send you back change. The corollary is that Armory will not pick that address again for change, and it will mark it as such, so that you may abide to that recommendation.

Of course this remains a recommendation. Addresses marked as change do not have their mechanics altered in any way, and you can use them to receive other payments at your leisure. It simply is considered bad practice, and Armory makes a point of offering you the opportunity to use the recommended way as described in Satoshi's white paper.

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December 23, 2013, 05:07:57 AM
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I guess its a feature not a bug. You receive change to other addresses then the input addresses. This is good. I have not looked fully into this but receiving change onto another address then the input addresses somehow protects your privacy plus you would even be safe if quantum computer would exist as you could easily never use the same address twice. I am not sure if you can configure if armory receives change to the same address or to a new address which will be labeled [[change received]]. What you can do, however, is use coin control in expert mode so you can set everything manually. Please make sure you don't end up being the guy who pays 200 BTC transaction fees because of a number entered in the wrong field.

You can specify any address in your wallet to receive change with the coin control feature in expert mode.

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December 23, 2013, 05:13:16 AM
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Wow.. Armory keeps crashing non-stop when sending bitcoins. This need top-stat priority fix. Otherwise I will have to stop using your product: do I make myself crystal clear?

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December 23, 2013, 05:20:08 AM
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Wow.. Armory keeps crashing non-stop when sending bitcoins. This need top-stat priority fix. Otherwise I will have to stop using your product: do I make myself crystal clear?

Armory is brought to you at no charge. Our resources are limited, which means you need to be patient and help us diagnose these issues. So, for the 3rd time, send us your log files at support@bitcoinarmory.com

On a side note, I think I found the fix for this particular bug, which will be pushed to the next release. But again, if you don't let me see a log file, I cannot know if this bug I fixed is the one you are experiencing. Thanks for your patience.

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December 23, 2013, 05:37:56 AM
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Wow.. Armory keeps crashing non-stop when sending bitcoins. This need top-stat priority fix. Otherwise I will have to stop using your product: do I make myself crystal clear?

Armory is brought to you at no charge. Our resources are limited, which means you need to be patient and help us diagnose these issues. So, for the 3rd time, send us your log files at support@bitcoinarmory.com

On a side note, I think I found the fix for this particular bug, which will be pushed to the next release. But again, if you don't let me see a log file, I cannot know if this bug I fixed is the one you are experiencing. Thanks for your patience.

Please don't respond to those type of people. You do way too much for the community at no-charge! Plus we all should be thanking Trace Mayer while we at it! He allowed Alan to quit his job and make wallets of many bitcoiners that much more securer a full time job!

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December 23, 2013, 05:54:58 AM
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Wow.. Armory keeps crashing non-stop when sending bitcoins. This need top-stat priority fix. Otherwise I will have to stop using your product: do I make myself crystal clear?

Armory is brought to you at no charge. Our resources are limited, which means you need to be patient and help us diagnose these issues. So, for the 3rd time, send us your log files at support@bitcoinarmory.com

On a side note, I think I found the fix for this particular bug, which will be pushed to the next release. But again, if you don't let me see a log file, I cannot know if this bug I fixed is the one you are experiencing. Thanks for your patience.

Please don't respond to those type of people. You do way too much for the community at no-charge! Plus we all should be thanking Trace Mayer while we at it! He allowed Alan to quit his job and make wallets of many bitcoiners that much more securer a full time job!

If you feel offended by my remark; it's a coward thing to defend someone on their behalf. It's pathetic. And besides, I have the right to complain and he takes it seriously, not you. Obviously you don't understand "customer service". I assume you're from India working at Customer Service department? If so then that explains.

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December 23, 2013, 06:07:46 AM
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Wow.. Armory keeps crashing non-stop when sending bitcoins. This need top-stat priority fix. Otherwise I will have to stop using your product: do I make myself crystal clear?

Armory is brought to you at no charge. Our resources are limited, which means you need to be patient and help us diagnose these issues. So, for the 3rd time, send us your log files at support@bitcoinarmory.com

On a side note, I think I found the fix for this particular bug, which will be pushed to the next release. But again, if you don't let me see a log file, I cannot know if this bug I fixed is the one you are experiencing. Thanks for your patience.

Please don't respond to those type of people. You do way too much for the community at no-charge! Plus we all should be thanking Trace Mayer while we at it! He allowed Alan to quit his job and make wallets of many bitcoiners that much more securer a full time job!

If you feel offended by my remark; it's a coward thing to defend someone on their behalf. It's pathetic. And besides, I have the right to complain and he takes it seriously, not you. Obviously you don't understand "customer service". I assume you're from India working at Customer Service department? If so then that explains.

Uhmm last time I checked you didn't pay for the software, and as a developer and fellow programmer stuff like that does offend me. Plus all you do is complain about Armory...

Initializing and synchronizing in Armory is becoming a MAJOR problem! It keeps initializing and synchronizing making IMPOSSIBLE for me to receive and send bitcoins. Seriously, FIX IT! It took you more than 6 months from 0.88 to 0.90!!!!!!

I can't use your software if this problem persist. While it's synchronizing, it keeps getting disconnected from the network. So every time I reconnect by restarting the client, it TAKES 20 minutes to build the database. YOU guys have a lot of work to do.

This is becoming a major embarrassment for Armory! This is disgusting! Every time I send bitcoins - it crashes!

Plus it would benefit you if you actually learned how bitcoins worked...

Guys,

I am using Armory as my main bitcoin wallet. However, I keep seeing [[change received]] with this associated bitcoin address. Do I use this address to receive bitcoin, still? This is why it's confusing. It's irrelevant to show "[[change received]]" in my wallet, just my bitcoin address. I hope you can fix this on the next version. Thanks!

So in conclusion you are a stupid person, and when stupid people make stupid comments then ask for help, I find it very offensive. I also find it kinda racist that you assume all "bad" customer service departments come from India, which has no bearing on this or any discussion. So you are a coward and pathetic one. I enjoy Armory, and like to voice it.

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December 23, 2013, 06:09:30 AM
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Anyways, export log sent! Thanks!

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December 23, 2013, 06:11:36 AM
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If you feel offended by my remark; it's a coward thing to defend someone on their behalf. It's pathetic. And besides, I have the right to complain and he takes it seriously, not you. Obviously you don't understand "customer service". I assume you're from India working at Customer Service department? If so then that explains.

How many open-source projects do you know that have no revenue yet offer free, one-on-one customer service?  

We respond to as many customer service emails as we can because we want to help people use the software.  I want people to have a good experience.  But we lose a lot of productivity from it -- we could get a lot more done if we didn't respond, and I don't think anyone could blame us for that.  But we're here trying to help anyway.  If that is unsatisfactory to you, please use the another piece of software.

On that note, I just saw your email and will get back to you as soon as I can.  

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December 23, 2013, 06:16:39 AM
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If you feel offended by my remark; it's a coward thing to defend someone on their behalf. It's pathetic. And besides, I have the right to complain and he takes it seriously, not you. Obviously you don't understand "customer service". I assume you're from India working at Customer Service department? If so then that explains.

How many open-source projects do you know that have no revenue yet offer free, one-on-one customer service?  

We respond to as many customer service emails as we can because we want to help people use the software.  I want people to have a good experience.  But we lose a lot of productivity from it -- we could get a lot more done if we didn't respond, and I don't think anyone could blame us for that.  But we're here trying to help anyway.  If that is unsatisfactory to you, please use the another piece of software.

On that note, I just saw your email and will get back to you as soon as I can.  

I am not going to apologize my remark I made earlier against you. I understand this software is in BETA; I get it, I do. But it's not ready for public release; so expect a lot of criticism from people and trolls alike on this forum. If you can't handle it, don't release the product. A good customer service is complementary to a good product. 

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December 23, 2013, 06:20:40 AM
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Okay, mandatory 12 hour timeout.  Please no more discussion on this topic.

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December 25, 2013, 03:33:37 AM
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any plans to integrate BIP32?

is multisig coming soon?
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December 25, 2013, 09:02:50 AM
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For real? Did someone pay 200 BTC in transaction fee?! LOL! SO FUNNY! Anyways, that's besides the point. The question is: can I still receive money with [[change received]] address? I just want to make sure.

Another thing you can do: check "hide change" and that will hide all of the associated bitcoin address with [[change received]] address. It's a nice feature to have, so perhaps I overlooked this feature. You're right, it's not a bug; thanks for clearing this up. Kudos.

[[change received]] labels an address as having being used for change. The address is of course still valid, as it holds your change. the Bitcoin protocol strongly recommends to not reuse addresses, mainly to protect your privacy. So, as default, Armory picks a new address in your wallet every time it needs to send you back change. The corollary is that Armory will not pick that address again for change, and it will mark it as such, so that you may abide to that recommendation.

Of course this remains a recommendation. Addresses marked as change do not have their mechanics altered in any way, and you can use them to receive other payments at your leisure. It simply is considered bad practice, and Armory makes a point of offering you the opportunity to use the recommended way as described in Satoshi's white paper.

Re-using addresses to me is a good feature of bitcoin. Why are programs trying to stop that? When you have a donation address, a payment address, an address just associated with your company you would want people to know that address. Let the user make up their mind and do what they want instead of the program, right? Almot %90 of the users here paste their personal bitcoin address in their signature. It is more of a common practice to re-use addresses then anything and when a program or someone tries to just change that, questions will be asked....hence an entire thread.

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December 25, 2013, 09:57:30 AM
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Re-using addresses to me is a good feature of bitcoin. Why are programs trying to stop that? When you have a donation address, a payment address, an address just associated with your company you would want people to know that address. Let the user make up their mind and do what they want instead of the program, right? Almot %90 of the users here paste their personal bitcoin address in their signature. It is more of a common practice to re-use addresses then anything and when a program or someone tries to just change that, questions will be asked....hence an entire thread.
Address reuse is privacy pollution.
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December 25, 2013, 01:32:17 PM
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I know you considered adding option to transfer the unsigned file to offline computer using sound (sound card) and back. Any progress in this ?
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December 25, 2013, 01:48:05 PM
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Re-using addresses to me is a good feature of bitcoin. Why are programs trying to stop that? When you have a donation address, a payment address, an address just associated with your company you would want people to know that address. Let the user make up their mind and do what they want instead of the program, right? Almot %90 of the users here paste their personal bitcoin address in their signature. It is more of a common practice to re-use addresses then anything and when a program or someone tries to just change that, questions will be asked....hence an entire thread.


There was a problem with the android RNG a while back and people who reused addresses had all their funds stolen.  It's just safer.

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December 25, 2013, 04:05:06 PM
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I know you considered adding option to transfer the unsigned file to offline computer using sound (sound card) and back. Any progress in this ?

That's my responsibility. However it isn't at the top of my priority list just yet. Busy with a wallet recovery tool and Trezor integration for now.

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December 25, 2013, 04:28:47 PM
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Re-using addresses to me is a good feature of bitcoin. Why are programs trying to stop that? When you have a donation address, a payment address, an address just associated with your company you would want people to know that address. Let the user make up their mind and do what they want instead of the program, right? Almot %90 of the users here paste their personal bitcoin address in their signature. It is more of a common practice to re-use addresses then anything and when a program or someone tries to just change that, questions will be asked....hence an entire thread.

You are losing track of the conversation. I was presenting the concept of address renewal as recommended by Satoshi's white paper and implemented in Armory in the context of change addresses, in order to explain the tagged change addresses. I don't really know at which point you had it all slip into "address re-use is bad, we are trying to to put an end to it"

You fail to see the benefit here apparently. You receive coins in address A and B. You spend some with A and get change back in C. You spend some with B and get change back with C. Now A and B are linked.

The issue at hand isn't to force people into a certain behavior. That stance is actually untrue as far as Armory is concerned. With expert mode and coin control, you can reuse addresses as much as you like.

The issue at hand is to make sure people do not compromise their privacy by default. Change is an automated concept, for reasons I doubt anyone would oppose. As such, this automation shouldn't reveal informations that it doesn't have to by default. Then there is expert mode, for those who wish to consciously alter that automation.

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December 25, 2013, 04:34:55 PM
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I know you considered adding option to transfer the unsigned file to offline computer using sound (sound card) and back. Any progress in this ?

That's my responsibility. However it isn't at the top of my priority list just yet. Busy with a wallet recovery tool and Trezor integration for now.
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December 25, 2013, 04:59:30 PM
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A Christmas present [err... holiday gift] for the Mac users!

https://s3.amazonaws.com/bitcoinarmory-releases/armory_0.90-beta_OSX.app.tar.gz
https://s3.amazonaws.com/bitcoinarmory-releases/armory_0.90-beta_OSX_sha256sum.txt.asc

The build isn't perfect, but it appears to be quite usable.  Thanks to picobit for making the script that made this possible!

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