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July 23, 2014, 07:42:45 PM
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This either must be a joke and these three guys have no idea what they are doing or this a very nicely orchestrated scam with the sole purpose of making US$ 300K-400K and let ppl hold the bag.


You hit the nail on the head. This is a classic case of IT people gone awry. They have no clue what they are doing from a marketing standpoint. I've voiced my opinion on this many times in this chat forum but making the educated decision to present both Wiz and Socal as part of the team has been detrimental to their success.

Also PNosker continuously saying "we don't care about price", "we don't care about traders" is just plain stupid. Either they truly don't care about making money (which seems crazy to me but is plausible) or they don't realize how to run a publicly traded piece of equity, like an altcoin.

IMHO we have the classic case of a team of developers with all the books smarts and none of the street smarts.

Would you like to volunteer? We never said we were marketing geniuses. In fact, we asked for someone to help manage this early on and sdmathis volunteered to be a community manager, but we really need more.

I said we don't care about price in the sense that we will not release news/features specifically to manipulate price. I make enough money to live reasonably without crypto so I don't need to sell off when the coin starts tanking. Doug/David/I all are in the same boat. We're doing this not as unemployed developers looking to make a quick buck but because we saw a void between crypto and the real world and we wanted to fix it. Play the blame game all you want and feel free to speculate more, but we're doing what we can do and if you or someone else wants to help us push with marketing we would really appreciate it. If you honestly think there's a better coin with better real developers and marketing perhaps you can direct us to their information so we can see if we can adapt better. Almost all I see when I look at the selection of coins are scams, developers that have a Google Hangout and curse off investors, etc.

We are real people trying to build a real coin and ecosystem. Believe it or not, it's up to you.

Let's get the regional leaders group, which is a great idea, set up and good to go.
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July 23, 2014, 07:48:49 PM
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See what happens when you guys support a rollback. You're down over 33% and drowning slowly.



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July 23, 2014, 07:48:54 PM
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Every time before we where at a technical make or break point, we would get news about something "soon". Any chance to make healthy corrections where lost during the pumps. Now I think the day traders realize this won't go up 100% a day everyday and they are panic'd.

F'kin idiots.

Meanwhile, Everyone runs around like a chicken with their head cut off, No leadership, sigh.

Lost 1/3 our value in a day. Anytime I tried to get things on track, nothing. Nobody is near NYC that can try to make an effort to go outside and drop a paper wallet in a few iconic locations and create a game and some buzz about vericoin? Honestly, where is the coordination, the "team" is 3 people and a loosely affiliated gang of helpers is madness. Where do people go to solve issues, and create things for VRC?

I want to help create something big here but the more I think about it. Current money flow is showing that people are giving up on vericoin in masses in the last day alone? How are we going to create anything, bring in any support and create products for vericoin if nobody knows / cares about it?


I am so frustrated its hard to put into words. We can do better, but the more I think about it. Maybe its time to move on if nobody else gets it, or cares to make it better. I am sure someone will chime in and say this or that, but the fact of the matter is the products aren't wowing people enough. The words and hype created was bigger than any feature we released, and this is sad. Simply having a vision to be mainstream doesn't look like its going to be enough.

I have to agree with you on many issues you have pointed out.

Right now I am not sure whether the Devs are just inexperienced, naive, young scientists who want to change the world by rolling out a digital currency or just little scammer scum bags.

In the first hangout the devs associated themselves with wizrig, they presented wizrig as part of the team (at least from the talk and presentation any sane person would think wizrig was part of the team and plans) and were perfectly fine with wizrig's talk about creating history with vericoin, and then 3 days later a dump came. It makes me believe they could be easily in the second category (scammers).  
Since that hype there is no word about PR plan, following the hype and dump action wizrig disappeared from the vericoin screen and these three coin creator couldn't even manage to hire a PR firm. And know they think the regional representatives in Phillipines and Kenya will solve the problem of lack of investment/interest in the coin. In the meantime the devs communicate that they are not concerned about the price. But in the meantime there is a tweet almost every day that they had a very good meeting with investors. This either must be a joke and these three guys have no idea what they are doing or this a very nicely orchestrated scam with the sole purpose of making US$ 300K-400K and let ppl hold the bag.

The fact that the DEVS created the hype around 50K together with wizrig, and since nothing sensible happened around the coin makes them look not very good.

The main problem is that people are loosing hard earned cash because of the hype and dump, and people will be very unhappy to realise that while their money is gone, wizrig's Lamborghinies and Nosker's BMW 3M are just fine.


BlackCoin spent $32k on a PR firm. If you'd like to donate that, we would be happy to hire one.

As we mentioned before, we don't control Joel Bosch. If he doesn't do what he said he would, that sucks. But it's not us not doing what we said we would do.

By the way, I don't have an M3. I have a 2008 135i that I bought when I graduated college in 2011. It cost me $23,500, if you were wondering. I just paid it off (36 month loan) this year.

Again the mention of BC, a dying coin with a history of fraud and corrupt to the core. Why Patrick?

The hiring of the Borgess Agency is one of the most laughed off decisions ever happening in crypto. Everyone knows by now that moriture13/doghnip, an employee of the Borgess Agency and visible lead of The Black Hand, was behind and subsidizing it in part. Why even mention that here?

The need, even though you probably won't recognize it, is there as I have stated before. But hiring a PR agency is NOT the answer. Associating with Joel Bosch, a tainted individual, also Black Hand, was not wise even if it was somehow inevitable. Distancing from him IS indeed wise. as is distancing from Will, no matter how much of a good friend he might be. And finding someone who, first, cares for the image of VRC and, more importantly, KNOWS how to preserve that image. It may cost. Or he may be freely available. Have you tried to find him? Or you just believe you are perfectly capable of doing it? Because you aren't, sorry.
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July 23, 2014, 07:50:20 PM
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I bought vericoin as a long term investment, why you here is your just in for quick profits?.

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A great place to start branding ourselves, would be to STOP comparing it to freeking blackcoin all the time. I am sick of hearing how we are like ANY other coin in ANY regard. If we want to innovate a new frontier, PLEASE, for the love of god stop talking about BLACKCOIN!


Again the mention of BC, a dying coin with a history of fraud and corrupt to the core. Why Patrick?

The hiring of the Borgess Agency is one of the most laughed off decisions ever happening in crypto. Everyone knows by now that moriture13/doghnip, an employee of the Borgess Agency and visible lead of The Black Hand, was behind and subsidizing it in part. Why even mention that here?

The need, even though you probably won't recognize it, is there as I have stated before. But hiring a PR agency is NOT the answer. Associating with Joel Bosch, a tainted individual, also Black Hand, was not wise even if it was somehow inevitable. Distancing from him IS indeed wise. as is distancing from Will, no matter how much of a good friend he might be. And finding someone who, first, cares for the image of VRC and, more importantly, KNOWS how to preserve that image. It may cost. Or he may be freely available. Have you tried to find him? Or you just believe you are perfectly capable of doing it? Because you aren't, sorry.

I'm not sure if you two realize this, but I used the example of BC because they are the only altcoin with a PR Agency representing them... Not because we're trying to compare to them. altcoinUK stated that we "couldn't even manage to hire a PR firm." I'm saying, "show us the money" and we'll hire one. An approximate cost is $32,000. So, if someone wants to send us $32,000 we can hire one. Not saying anything about BC besides the fact that they have a PR firm and it's almost useless for them.

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July 23, 2014, 08:02:29 PM
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A great place to start branding ourselves, would be to STOP comparing it to freeking blackcoin all the time. I am sick of hearing how we are like ANY other coin in ANY regard. If we want to innovate a new frontier, PLEASE, for the love of god stop talking about BLACKCOIN!


Again the mention of BC, a dying coin with a history of fraud and corrupt to the core. Why Patrick?

The hiring of the Borgess Agency is one of the most laughed off decisions ever happening in crypto. Everyone knows by now that moriture13/doghnip, an employee of the Borgess Agency and visible lead of The Black Hand, was behind and subsidizing it in part. Why even mention that here?

The need, even though you probably won't recognize it, is there as I have stated before. But hiring a PR agency is NOT the answer. Associating with Joel Bosch, a tainted individual, also Black Hand, was not wise even if it was somehow inevitable. Distancing from him IS indeed wise. as is distancing from Will, no matter how much of a good friend he might be. And finding someone who, first, cares for the image of VRC and, more importantly, KNOWS how to preserve that image. It may cost. Or he may be freely available. Have you tried to find him? Or you just believe you are perfectly capable of doing it? Because you aren't, sorry.

I'm not sure if you two realize this, but I used the example of BC because they are the only altcoin with a PR Agency representing them... Not because we're trying to compare to them. altcoinUK stated that we "couldn't even manage to hire a PR firm." I'm saying, "show us the money" and we'll hire one. An approximate cost is $32,000. So, if someone wants to send us $32,000 we can hire one. Not saying anything about BC besides the fact that they have a PR firm and it's almost useless for them.

And that reference is absurd Patrick for EVEN if the community were willing to pony up $32,000, YOU should not allow the hiring of a PR Agency because, precisely, you have witnessed the idiocy -among other things- that hiring one was for BC. YOU, the leader of VRC, should say precisely that VRC will NOT hire a PR company because you have the example by which it does not work and it is a waste of money. And you should defend your (roll back) decision, not defend those who very harshly criticized it stating the "they have a reason to be critical". If they do, you should have not made the decision to roll back. You can please some of the people all the time but you cannot please all the people all the time.

And focusing your comments on what cannot be done -let alone shouldn't be done- is not proactive nor serves any practical purpose. Marching forward, proactively, does. And by that I mean doing what can be done. You are bright enough to see that, you just don't want to face the music that goes with it and arrogantly defend positions that perhaps are just irrelevant now. That will not be marching forward. Ever.
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July 23, 2014, 08:02:49 PM
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So here is my question, and it means everything to people's current investment.

Is their any plans to improve PR and or marketing? Not a "it's coming soon" But a real plan? If this is as good as it gets. I think 23k is a great price to get out and save a couple bucks.

You cannot go mainstream without a plan. Simply saying you to want to be mainstream, and making products with no demand, and very little attempt to create it looks.. well bad. I would be more than happy to do anything I can, but the lack of organization for such efforts is crazy.

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July 23, 2014, 08:05:42 PM
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See what happens when you guys support a rollback. You're down over 33% and drowning slowly.





If there was no rollback when it was so easily do-able it'd be a gigantic blow to all cryptocurrency in general even bitcoin, in regards to fueling the critics in the media.
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July 23, 2014, 08:07:09 PM
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1. We need to get off this forum...its tooooo Toxic. We can easily close this forum and have a link to vericointalk forum

2. We need a dedicated News Site, with updates and developments once a week

3. We need to separate ourselves from the rest of pack of shit/scam coins
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July 23, 2014, 08:10:26 PM
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So here is my question, and it means everything to people's current investment.

Is their any plans to improve PR and or marketing? Not a "it's coming soon" But a real plan? If this is as good as it gets. I think 23k is a great price to get out and save a couple bucks.

You cannot go mainstream without a plan. Simply saying you to want to be mainstream, and making products with no demand, and very little attempt to create it looks.. well bad. I would be more than happy to do anything I can, but the lack of organization for such efforts is crazy.

Build it (the infrastructure) and they will come (customers, investors)
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July 23, 2014, 08:15:41 PM
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So here is my question, and it means everything to people's current investment.

Is their any plans to improve PR and or marketing? Not a "it's coming soon" But a real plan? If this is as good as it gets. I think 23k is a great price to get out and save a couple bucks.

You cannot go mainstream without a plan. Simply saying you to want to be mainstream, and making products with no demand, and very little attempt to create it looks.. well bad. I would be more than happy to do anything I can, but the lack of organization for such efforts is crazy.

Build it (the infrastructure) and they will come (customers, investors)

Problem is you can't convince anyone to buy a VeriCoin right now, and with good reason. Look at how organized we are. Did you know we have a community manager? I didn't. That is one of the most important keys to success, is a well organized community. We need the community to grow the coin, thousands of people working together, using peoples strengths can be such a powerful tool. Yet the only thing people care about in VeriCoin chat is posting moon pictures and saying "its just a a dip!" tomorrow 500k!

I agree we need to build things, and work harder. But with money just pouring out of the coin, a lack of organization, and to boot some of the worst luck in crypto with the mintpal hack... We are doomed without a proper plan of action. I thought it was a chance for us to seperate and bring in all sorts of people. All the mintpal hack did was lose us the core crypto nerds, and gain us no outsiders. We could have made the mintpal hack the best or worst thing to happen to a coin. We are letting ourselves be the victim. Seperation in crypto is big, and we had a chance to do it. And we are failing. Now we are just another crypto in peoples eyes with massive baggage. I for one will fight for this coin, but if its not worth fighting for, then I will move on and wish you all luck.

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July 23, 2014, 08:19:49 PM
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So here is my question, and it means everything to people's current investment.

Is their any plans to improve PR and or marketing? Not a "it's coming soon" But a real plan? If this is as good as it gets. I think 23k is a great price to get out and save a couple bucks.

You cannot go mainstream without a plan. Simply saying you to want to be mainstream, and making products with no demand, and very little attempt to create it looks.. well bad. I would be more than happy to do anything I can, but the lack of organization for such efforts is crazy.

Build it (the infrastructure) and they will come (customers, investors)

Problem is you can't convince anyone to buy a VeriCoin right now, and with good reason. Look at how organized we are. Did you know we have a community manager? I didn't. That is one of the most important keys to success, is a well organized community. We need the community to grow the coin, thousands of people working together, using peoples strengths can be such a powerful tool. Yet the only thing people care about in VeriCoin chat is posting moon pictures and saying "its just a a dip!" tomorrow 500k!

I agree we need to build things, and work harder. But with money just pouring out of the coin, a lack of organization, and to boot some of the worst luck in crypto with the mintpal hack... We are doomed without a proper plan of action. I thought it was a chance for us to seperate and bring in all sorts of people. All the mintpal hack did was lose us the core crypto nerds, and gain us no outsiders. We could have made the mintpal hack the best or worst thing to happen to a coin. Seperation in crypto is big, and we had a chance to do it. And we failed. Now we are just another crypto in peoples eyes. I for one will fight for this coin, but if its not worth fighting for, then I will move on and wish you all luck.

The coin has got as far it can get with 3 devs working. Time to expand the core group and the regional initiative is a way to engage real people for real meaningful work.
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July 23, 2014, 08:27:57 PM
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pnosker.  I know you don't see it as a priority.  But knock out the best decentralized anon solution that works and Vericoin will become the most demanded coin.  People already see Vericoin as making inroads into easier public adoption, but the current market truly rewards those developers who are serious about user privacy and are committed to developing features that provide true decentralized anonymity.  Especially with New York's incorrect move to create the bit license, user privacy is even more important to implement the best and correctly.

TLDR:  Make a fully decentralized anonymous coin infrastructure that allows for adding a decentralized exchange/classifieds/craigslist type service on top of it and THIS COIN WILL DESTROY ALL COMERS.
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July 23, 2014, 08:31:29 PM
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This either must be a joke and these three guys have no idea what they are doing or this a very nicely orchestrated scam with the sole purpose of making US$ 300K-400K and let ppl hold the bag.


You hit the nail on the head. This is a classic case of IT people gone awry. They have no clue what they are doing from a marketing standpoint. I've voiced my opinion on this many times in this chat forum but making the educated decision to present both Wiz and Socal as part of the team has been detrimental to their success.

Also PNosker continuously saying "we don't care about price", "we don't care about traders" is just plain stupid. Either they truly don't care about making money (which seems crazy to me but is plausible) or they don't realize how to run a publicly traded piece of equity, like an altcoin.

IMHO we have the classic case of a team of developers with all the books smarts and none of the street smarts.

Would you like to volunteer? We never said we were marketing geniuses. In fact, we asked for someone to help manage this early on and sdmathis volunteered to be a community manager, but we really need more.

I said we don't care about price in the sense that we will not release news/features specifically to manipulate price. I make enough money to live reasonably without crypto so I don't need to sell off when the coin starts tanking. Doug/David/I all are in the same boat. We're doing this not as unemployed developers looking to make a quick buck but because we saw a void between crypto and the real world and we wanted to fix it. Play the blame game all you want and feel free to speculate more, but we're doing what we can do and if you or someone else wants to help us push with marketing we would really appreciate it. If you honestly think there's a better coin with better real developers and marketing perhaps you can direct us to their information so we can see if we can adapt better. Almost all I see when I look at the selection of coins are scams, developers that have a Google Hangout and curse off investors, etc.

We are real people trying to build a real coin and ecosystem. Believe it or not, it's up to you.

I actually would like to volunteer! I have contacted you by e-mail, in IRC channels and now on bitcointalk.org =p

And I honestly don't think there is a better coin out there! Which is again why I put all my money behind this coin, reached out to you to help and have been on this chat forum and IRC channels almost 24/7 for the last 5 weeks.
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July 23, 2014, 08:38:53 PM
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         As can be seen in the graphics market: Crypts and Bittrex, the volumes Vericon exchanged are much lower. We're talking about fluctuations correspond to 5 to 10 k units (recently in the last hours well below 0.5 and 0.2 k). which does not impose the final value. What actually is happening is somewhat speculative. Only those who suffer from anxiety are willing to sacrifice investment capital, because they conceived the idea of ​​loss of profit, they are the ones who are experiencing the loss.

    The worst  tragedy is that most of them end up losing in the famous pumps are arranged.


1 -) Be patient.
2 -) Try to encourage investment.
3 -) Promote safe  house exchanges.
4 -) The most important add value to vericoin, How? "Promote it's advantages in forums, shopping centers and other entities.

Today 1 Vericon = 20 cents, Tomorrow who knows?


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https://www.cryptsy.com/markets/view/209

https://bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-VRC


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July 23, 2014, 08:43:50 PM
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This either must be a joke and these three guys have no idea what they are doing or this a very nicely orchestrated scam with the sole purpose of making US$ 300K-400K and let ppl hold the bag.


You hit the nail on the head. This is a classic case of IT people gone awry. They have no clue what they are doing from a marketing standpoint. I've voiced my opinion on this many times in this chat forum but making the educated decision to present both Wiz and Socal as part of the team has been detrimental to their success.

Also PNosker continuously saying "we don't care about price", "we don't care about traders" is just plain stupid. Either they truly don't care about making money (which seems crazy to me but is plausible) or they don't realize how to run a publicly traded piece of equity, like an altcoin.

IMHO we have the classic case of a team of developers with all the books smarts and none of the street smarts.

Would you like to volunteer? We never said we were marketing geniuses. In fact, we asked for someone to help manage this early on and sdmathis volunteered to be a community manager, but we really need more.

I said we don't care about price in the sense that we will not release news/features specifically to manipulate price. I make enough money to live reasonably without crypto so I don't need to sell off when the coin starts tanking. Doug/David/I all are in the same boat. We're doing this not as unemployed developers looking to make a quick buck but because we saw a void between crypto and the real world and we wanted to fix it. Play the blame game all you want and feel free to speculate more, but we're doing what we can do and if you or someone else wants to help us push with marketing we would really appreciate it. If you honestly think there's a better coin with better real developers and marketing perhaps you can direct us to their information so we can see if we can adapt better. Almost all I see when I look at the selection of coins are scams, developers that have a Google Hangout and curse off investors, etc.

We are real people trying to build a real coin and ecosystem. Believe it or not, it's up to you.

I actually would like to volunteer! I have contacted you by e-mail, in IRC channels and now on bitcointalk.org =p

And I honestly don't think there is a better coin out there! Which is again why I put all my money behind this coin, reached out to you to help and have been on this chat forum and IRC channels almost 24/7 for the last 5 weeks.

Sorry-- probably got lost in the many channels we have. Please email me at pnosker@vericoin.info and let's talk! Smiley

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July 23, 2014, 08:46:19 PM
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Whats the status of development nowadays? I cant find anything through all this nonsense posts from Fudders and crying traders.
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July 23, 2014, 08:50:33 PM
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Whats the status of development nowadays? I cant find anything through all this nonsense posts from Fudders and crying traders.

I believe the devs are working on a second rollback to >35K satoshi.

Let's see how this works out for them!

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July 23, 2014, 08:55:45 PM
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The amount of negativity and trash-talking in this thread is ridiculous. You can also notice how it really ramps up whenever the price drops, indicating that most of the people spreading this shit are only interested in making money. I have no interest in promoting VRC, I'm just honestly sick of this, especially when posts are attacking the dev team. The devs have done a lot of good work and they've stuck with their coin, unlike 99% of the shitcoins that plague the crypto community. They also regularly communicate and update the coin and its features. Even if you don't believe in the coin, stop being a jackass. I would honestly start handing out warnings and bans to some of the posters here if I was a bitcointalk mod.

Oh and also, for the love of god, stop posting those retarded pictures like "vericedes-benz" that promote the belief of striking it rich if you buy into VRC. They do nothing to promote the legitimacy of the coin.

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July 23, 2014, 08:57:23 PM
 #11080

Whats the status of development nowadays? I cant find anything through all this nonsense posts from Fudders and crying traders.

I believe the devs are working on a second rollback to >35K satoshi.

Let's see how this works out for them!

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Haha.... this is what I was thinking as it was free falling to 20.
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