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July 23, 2014, 06:34:46 PM
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Every time before we where at a technical make or break point, we would get news about something "soon". Any chance to make healthy corrections where lost during the pumps. Now I think the day traders realize this won't go up 100% a day everyday and they are panic'd.

F'kin idiots.

Meanwhile, Everyone runs around like a chicken with their head cut off, No leadership, sigh.

Lost 1/3 our value in a day. Anytime I tried to get things on track, nothing. Nobody is near NYC that can try to make an effort to go outside and drop a paper wallet in a few iconic locations and create a game and some buzz about vericoin? Honestly, where is the coordination, the "team" is 3 people and a loosely affiliated gang of helpers is madness. Where do people go to solve issues, and create things for VRC?

I want to help create something big here but the more I think about it. Current money flow is showing that people are giving up on vericoin in masses in the last day alone? How are we going to create anything, bring in any support and create products for vericoin if nobody knows / cares about it?


I am so frustrated its hard to put into words. We can do better, but the more I think about it. Maybe its time to move on if nobody else gets it, or cares to make it better. I am sure someone will chime in and say this or that, but the fact of the matter is the products aren't wowing people enough. The words and hype created was bigger than any feature we released, and this is sad. Simply having a vision to be mainstream doesn't look like its going to be enough.

You sound like a VeriLeader:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=602041.msg7988162#msg7988162
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July 23, 2014, 06:35:42 PM
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Every time before we where at a technical make or break point, we would get news about something "soon". Any chance to make healthy corrections where lost during the pumps. Now I think the day traders realize this won't go up 100% a day everyday and they are panic'd.

F'kin idiots.

Meanwhile, Everyone runs around like a chicken with their head cut off, No leadership, sigh.

Lost 1/3 our value in a day. Anytime I tried to get things on track, nothing. Nobody is near NYC that can try to make an effort to go outside and drop a paper wallet in a few iconic locations and create a game and some buzz about vericoin? Honestly, where is the coordination, the "team" is 3 people and a loosely affiliated gang of helpers is madness. Where do people go to solve issues, and create things for VRC?

I want to help create something big here but the more I think about it. Current money flow is showing that people are giving up on vericoin in masses in the last day alone? How are we going to create anything, bring in any support and create products for vericoin if nobody knows / cares about it?


I am so frustrated its hard to put into words. We can do better, but the more I think about it. Maybe its time to move on if nobody else gets it, or cares to make it better. I am sure someone will chime in and say this or that, but the fact of the matter is the products aren't wowing people enough. The words and hype created was bigger than any feature we released, and this is sad. Simply having a vision to be mainstream doesn't look like its going to be enough.

Alot of people go to the IRC for support/ideas since this thread has been flooded with baseless accusations, lies, name calling, and general unsavoriness


Also of note, the Devs have day jobs/lives and besides that work hard on improving and developing VRC so as you might imagine that doesn't leave a whole lot of time to dig through the 30+ pages a day posted here to hand-hold every person with doubts

If you would like to try to coordinate projects better I would suggest joining the IRC where most active and productive community members reside and we will be happy to help you
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July 23, 2014, 06:35:50 PM
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I see massive manipulation of price. How far will they go, who knows...
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July 23, 2014, 06:38:00 PM
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The words and hype created was bigger than any feature we released

Well I blame wiz for that one - namedropping celebrities and mouthing about a big extravagant launch party in miami etc etc. So far, everything the devs have said they'd do, they've done. And if the only thing they're not doing right is PR/marketing - then there's no cause for all this panic.

Anyone that thought that Wiz guy was for real should just stop investing now. His inability to make eye contact, constant blinking, and putting his hand over his mouth are all tall tail signed it was all BS. Nevertheless at the end of his talk when he said "yo and I'm not even lying". Who says something like that after they make a statement if that thought wasn't going through their own head?

I'm not even lying Wink
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July 23, 2014, 06:44:15 PM
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This is why YOU don't use coke kiddies!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sGVB9fAY8g

I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery!
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July 23, 2014, 06:47:46 PM
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Every time before we where at a technical make or break point, we would get news about something "soon". Any chance to make healthy corrections where lost during the pumps. Now I think the day traders realize this won't go up 100% a day everyday and they are panic'd.

F'kin idiots.

Meanwhile, Everyone runs around like a chicken with their head cut off, No leadership, sigh.

Lost 1/3 our value in a day. Anytime I tried to get things on track, nothing. Nobody is near NYC that can try to make an effort to go outside and drop a paper wallet in a few iconic locations and create a game and some buzz about vericoin? Honestly, where is the coordination, the "team" is 3 people and a loosely affiliated gang of helpers is madness. Where do people go to solve issues, and create things for VRC?

I want to help create something big here but the more I think about it. Current money flow is showing that people are giving up on vericoin in masses in the last day alone? How are we going to create anything, bring in any support and create products for vericoin if nobody knows / cares about it?


I am so frustrated its hard to put into words. We can do better, but the more I think about it. Maybe its time to move on if nobody else gets it, or cares to make it better. I am sure someone will chime in and say this or that, but the fact of the matter is the products aren't wowing people enough. The words and hype created was bigger than any feature we released, and this is sad. Simply having a vision to be mainstream doesn't look like its going to be enough.

I have had a awesome idea that I think Vericoin would be perfect to implement but unfortunately haven't had the time to begin. If you look back at my chat history it was probably March maybe Feb where I was on the old Takeicoin chat room (haha poor Takeicoin) where a group of friends and I were looking to team-up with a coin project to integrate a new non-profit organization dedicated to integrating crypto currencies into the charity world.

We were dead serious about making this happen, I had a team of 5 people - three of us here in Minneapolis, 1 in Cali and 1 in China that were all on board with making the project work. Unfortunately we got tied up with 1 critical issue; easily process whatever the altcoin was (at the time we decided to try to partner with Takeicoin) into bitcoin. See from a legal standpoint if someone wanted to make a donation to a charity and say they use <insert altcoin name here> somebody would have to instantly convert that coin into bitcoin so we could tie it into bitpay so the charity actually received USD. We talked to a variety of charities that were totally on board with the project under the condition they receive the donation is USD.

The thought was:
1. Person send altcoin
2. Altcoin converted instantly to bitcoin
3. Bitcoin converted to USD (bitpay.com)
4. Huh??
5. Profit

As I've said before the problem we faced was step #2. Converting altcoin into bitcoin instantly. Well that's 100% why I decided to put my money behind VRC because when I saw a dev team actually accomplished this feat I thought to myself "man someone finally did it".

Truth is now, thanks to Veribit we would be able to actually launch the project. Problem is now, I left my job 2 months ago to start my own company and now don't have the time to take on a whole extra project. There is still the issue of scalability because if I wanted to donated $10,000 to a charity and use Veribit I don't believe it has the ability to scale to that degree.

If you tie in the use of bitcoin ATM we had this theory that now somebody could in theory be standing at a mall, insert $1 into the machine, send it to a charity anywhere in the world instantly - and that charity would receive that payment the next day, in full (minus small transaction fees) in USD.

Anyway, just some food for thought. Perhaps this fall/winter will be a good time to kick start this idea again but the point I'm trying to say is that there are ways to use this coin for amazing things. We just need to start thinking outside the box.  
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July 23, 2014, 06:49:53 PM
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Reminds me midjune Cheesy hachw... i just grapped so much coins back than .
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July 23, 2014, 06:52:22 PM
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Every time before we where at a technical make or break point, we would get news about something "soon". Any chance to make healthy corrections where lost during the pumps. Now I think the day traders realize this won't go up 100% a day everyday and they are panic'd.

F'kin idiots.

Meanwhile, Everyone runs around like a chicken with their head cut off, No leadership, sigh.

Lost 1/3 our value in a day. Anytime I tried to get things on track, nothing. Nobody is near NYC that can try to make an effort to go outside and drop a paper wallet in a few iconic locations and create a game and some buzz about vericoin? Honestly, where is the coordination, the "team" is 3 people and a loosely affiliated gang of helpers is madness. Where do people go to solve issues, and create things for VRC?

I want to help create something big here but the more I think about it. Current money flow is showing that people are giving up on vericoin in masses in the last day alone? How are we going to create anything, bring in any support and create products for vericoin if nobody knows / cares about it?


I am so frustrated its hard to put into words. We can do better, but the more I think about it. Maybe its time to move on if nobody else gets it, or cares to make it better. I am sure someone will chime in and say this or that, but the fact of the matter is the products aren't wowing people enough. The words and hype created was bigger than any feature we released, and this is sad. Simply having a vision to be mainstream doesn't look like its going to be enough.

I understand your frustration. But the fact you are frustrated, sometimes, makes you perceive things that are not necessarily true. Including attitudes here which, by now, you should be used to and should not be constructed by you as being the general sentiment of the community -or even the forum- or, as in the case of Lackey, true. Simply.

In my opinion, you bring great energy and some ideas to the forum, so I encourage you to keep at it. And yes, it is frustrating but you have to understand that it isn't so simple to "be around New York, create a few paper wallets and distribute them around the party..." It is not overly complicated, either. But it isn't so simple. Besides, I am not quite sure how efficient such a non-coordinated thing will be.

You have interest and interesting marketing general ideas, the specifics are a bit more complicated... and costly. And a coordinated effort, of much bigger proportions, adequately planned and funded, would indeed be a great step forward, along with a blast on social media and news media to go with it. That though cost money, quite a bit. And mobilization of community resources that VRC may or may not have.

Which brings me to the core of the matter: The 2 devs are doing a great job. The peripheral aid? not so good. There has been a lot more complacency, raw arrogance and downright stupidity exhibited that it would have been advisable already. Along with a total lack of professionalism. The Google hangouts are, after 2 editions, amateurish, unprepared  and quite boring. There's no media liason on VRC. Nokster does his best which is not very good in that regard. So yes, there are significant holes that need to be covered, but this is a 2 months old enterprise and those matters should be taken care of as we go along.

Now this slump, significant as it is, is not a VRC isolated slump. It generally has affected most if not all similarly positioned coins in alt. Is it worrysome? of course it is. But it should be examined and valuated in context and, precisely as an alarm to cure us all of complacency, arrogance and general stupidity in the all-too-violent emotional posting we do the moment the price goes down. This is a serious and rather big enterprise experiencing growing pains. It isn't a religion. It isn't a cult. It is a commercial enterprise motivated by profit mainly. Approach it as what it is and be as positive as you want to be, as proactive as you can be, as critic as you choose to be. But act professional. show yourself as you would if the person you are answering a post to would be in front of you and would be 6 fee 2 and muscular. Or like you would in front of real people whose regard of yourself is of importance. Or, if you are incapable of it, just shut up, think about your emotions for a while and then try to come up with something at the very least civil.

All that said, it is quite worrysome the slump. General and VRC's. Can it go back to mid teens? Of course it can. Will it rebound to 30s and higher, I believe it will. But it pretty much depends on THIS community, nothing else, for the time being. Should we DO something? Absolutely. What? Keep pouring out ideas and, by all means, those who like them and support them, show that support decisively -offering donations for that purpose would be as decisively as you can be-.

Be calm. Be civil. Be nice.
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July 23, 2014, 06:58:55 PM
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all this things heapen bicuse vacations and new coin hold it if u are not stupid!

Check volume of markets this tell everything!
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July 23, 2014, 06:59:17 PM
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Every time before we where at a technical make or break point, we would get news about something "soon". Any chance to make healthy corrections where lost during the pumps. Now I think the day traders realize this won't go up 100% a day everyday and they are panic'd.

F'kin idiots.

Meanwhile, Everyone runs around like a chicken with their head cut off, No leadership, sigh.

Lost 1/3 our value in a day. Anytime I tried to get things on track, nothing. Nobody is near NYC that can try to make an effort to go outside and drop a paper wallet in a few iconic locations and create a game and some buzz about vericoin? Honestly, where is the coordination, the "team" is 3 people and a loosely affiliated gang of helpers is madness. Where do people go to solve issues, and create things for VRC?

I want to help create something big here but the more I think about it. Current money flow is showing that people are giving up on vericoin in masses in the last day alone? How are we going to create anything, bring in any support and create products for vericoin if nobody knows / cares about it?


I am so frustrated its hard to put into words. We can do better, but the more I think about it. Maybe its time to move on if nobody else gets it, or cares to make it better. I am sure someone will chime in and say this or that, but the fact of the matter is the products aren't wowing people enough. The words and hype created was bigger than any feature we released, and this is sad. Simply having a vision to be mainstream doesn't look like its going to be enough.

I have to agree with you on many issues you have pointed out.

Right now I am not sure whether the Devs are just inexperienced, naive, young scientists who want to change the world by rolling out a digital currency or just little scammer scum bags.

In the first hangout the devs associated themselves with wizrig, they presented wizrig as part of the team (at least from the talk and presentation any sane person would think wizrig was part of the team and plans) and were perfectly fine with wizrig's talk about creating history with vericoin, and then 3 days later a dump came. It makes me believe they could be easily in the second category (scammers).  
Since that hype there is no word about PR plan, following the hype and dump action wizrig disappeared from the vericoin screen and these three coin creator couldn't even manage to hire a PR firm. And know they think the regional representatives in Phillipines and Kenya will solve the problem of lack of investment/interest in the coin. In the meantime the devs communicate that they are not concerned about the price. But in the meantime there is a tweet almost every day that they had a very good meeting with investors. This either must be a joke and these three guys have no idea what they are doing or this a very nicely orchestrated scam with the sole purpose of making US$ 300K-400K and let ppl hold the bag.

The fact that the DEVS created the hype around 50K together with wizrig, and since nothing sensible happened around the coin makes them look not very good.

The main problem is that people are loosing hard earned cash because of the hype and dump, and people will be very unhappy to realise that while their money is gone, wizrig's Lamborghinies and Nosker's BMW 3M are just fine.
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July 23, 2014, 07:01:39 PM
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or, as in the case of Lackey, true. Simply.

"Lackey" sounds like a stand up guy.
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July 23, 2014, 07:02:20 PM
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The words and hype created was bigger than any feature we released

Well I blame wiz for that one - namedropping celebrities and mouthing about a big extravagant launch party in miami etc etc. So far, everything the devs have said they'd do, they've done. And if the only thing they're not doing right is PR/marketing - then there's no cause for all this panic.

you can dislike wiz, but you can't blame anyone.. is what they say..
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July 23, 2014, 07:06:38 PM
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This either must be a joke and these three guys have no idea what they are doing or this a very nicely orchestrated scam with the sole purpose of making US$ 300K-400K and let ppl hold the bag.


You hit the nail on the head. This is a classic case of IT people gone awry. They have no clue what they are doing from a marketing standpoint. I've voiced my opinion on this many times in this chat forum but making the educated decision to present both Wiz and Socal as part of the team has been detrimental to their success.

Also PNosker continuously saying "we don't care about price", "we don't care about traders" is just plain stupid. Either they truly don't care about making money (which seems crazy to me but is plausible) or they don't realize how to run a publicly traded piece of equity, like an altcoin.

IMHO we have the classic case of a team of developers with all the books smarts and none of the street smarts.
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July 23, 2014, 07:06:48 PM
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28 btc sell wall on mintpal

is that the scranton strangler???
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July 23, 2014, 07:12:11 PM
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28 btc sell wall on mintpal

is that the scranton strangler???

want presure people to sell coins!
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July 23, 2014, 07:27:05 PM
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This either must be a joke and these three guys have no idea what they are doing or this a very nicely orchestrated scam with the sole purpose of making US$ 300K-400K and let ppl hold the bag.


You hit the nail on the head. This is a classic case of IT people gone awry. They have no clue what they are doing from a marketing standpoint. I've voiced my opinion on this many times in this chat forum but making the educated decision to present both Wiz and Socal as part of the team has been detrimental to their success.

Also PNosker continuously saying "we don't care about price", "we don't care about traders" is just plain stupid.

IMHO we have the classic case of a team of developers with all the books smarts and none of the street smarts.

Precisely that's what I think.

This coin needs US$ 2-3 million injection to get it to a sustainable position. The jokes about VeriBit (6 users worldwide), the FIAT feature (opening a web site from the app which was already not innovative in 1999) and the plan that third-world countries will use this coin (how that could will happen no one knows) will not help progressing this coin. Not these hardly innovative functionalities and plans, but only investment will provide the backbone for a healthy coin. However, Patrick Nosker is not interested in the price and investment which is as you said just plain stupid. If not investors create the hype (see Ethereum) but wizrig calibre pumpers in association with the Devs then this operation is going down. This coin need the hype from real investors with real money.

I feel the lead dev Nosker is very hypocritical. He says we are not interested in hype, price nor investors. On the other hand they go to the conference and organising some party to create the hype, frequently tweet about investors and before the dump create the hype with wizrig stating that they are here to create crypto-history.
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July 23, 2014, 07:29:09 PM
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Every time before we where at a technical make or break point, we would get news about something "soon". Any chance to make healthy corrections where lost during the pumps. Now I think the day traders realize this won't go up 100% a day everyday and they are panic'd.

F'kin idiots.

Meanwhile, Everyone runs around like a chicken with their head cut off, No leadership, sigh.

Lost 1/3 our value in a day. Anytime I tried to get things on track, nothing. Nobody is near NYC that can try to make an effort to go outside and drop a paper wallet in a few iconic locations and create a game and some buzz about vericoin? Honestly, where is the coordination, the "team" is 3 people and a loosely affiliated gang of helpers is madness. Where do people go to solve issues, and create things for VRC?

I want to help create something big here but the more I think about it. Current money flow is showing that people are giving up on vericoin in masses in the last day alone? How are we going to create anything, bring in any support and create products for vericoin if nobody knows / cares about it?


I am so frustrated its hard to put into words. We can do better, but the more I think about it. Maybe its time to move on if nobody else gets it, or cares to make it better. I am sure someone will chime in and say this or that, but the fact of the matter is the products aren't wowing people enough. The words and hype created was bigger than any feature we released, and this is sad. Simply having a vision to be mainstream doesn't look like its going to be enough.

I have to agree with you on many issues you have pointed out.

Right now I am not sure whether the Devs are just inexperienced, naive, young scientists who want to change the world by rolling out a digital currency or just little scammer scum bags.

In the first hangout the devs associated themselves with wizrig, they presented wizrig as part of the team (at least from the talk and presentation any sane person would think wizrig was part of the team and plans) and were perfectly fine with wizrig's talk about creating history with vericoin, and then 3 days later a dump came. It makes me believe they could be easily in the second category (scammers).  
Since that hype there is no word about PR plan, following the hype and dump action wizrig disappeared from the vericoin screen and these three coin creator couldn't even manage to hire a PR firm. And know they think the regional representatives in Phillipines and Kenya will solve the problem of lack of investment/interest in the coin. In the meantime the devs communicate that they are not concerned about the price. But in the meantime there is a tweet almost every day that they had a very good meeting with investors. This either must be a joke and these three guys have no idea what they are doing or this a very nicely orchestrated scam with the sole purpose of making US$ 300K-400K and let ppl hold the bag.

The fact that the DEVS created the hype around 50K together with wizrig, and since nothing sensible happened around the coin makes them look not very good.

The main problem is that people are loosing hard earned cash because of the hype and dump, and people will be very unhappy to realise that while their money is gone, wizrig's Lamborghinies and Nosker's BMW 3M are just fine.


BlackCoin spent $32k on a PR firm. If you'd like to donate that, we would be happy to hire one.

As we mentioned before, we don't control Joel Bosch. If he doesn't do what he said he would, that sucks. But it's not us not doing what we said we would do.

By the way, I don't have an M3. I have a 2008 135i that I bought when I graduated college in 2011. It cost me $23,500, if you were wondering. I just paid it off (36 month loan) this year.

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BlackCoin spent $32k on a PR firm. If you'd like to donate that, we would be happy to hire one.

As we mentioned before, we don't control Joel Bosch. If he doesn't do what he said he would, that sucks. But it's not us not doing what we said we would do.

By the way, I don't have an M3. I have a 2008 135i that I bought when I graduated college in 2011. It cost me $23,500, if you were wondering. I just paid it off (36 month loan) this year.

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THIS.

I see alot of the same few people over and over complaining about everything and trying to make baseless accusations, but not try to do an actual bit of REAL work to help support VRC.

Here's a novel idea guys, If you don't like whats happening THEN WHY DON'T YOU TRY TO HELP FIX IT?
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July 23, 2014, 07:35:21 PM
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This either must be a joke and these three guys have no idea what they are doing or this a very nicely orchestrated scam with the sole purpose of making US$ 300K-400K and let ppl hold the bag.


You hit the nail on the head. This is a classic case of IT people gone awry. They have no clue what they are doing from a marketing standpoint. I've voiced my opinion on this many times in this chat forum but making the educated decision to present both Wiz and Socal as part of the team has been detrimental to their success.

Also PNosker continuously saying "we don't care about price", "we don't care about traders" is just plain stupid. Either they truly don't care about making money (which seems crazy to me but is plausible) or they don't realize how to run a publicly traded piece of equity, like an altcoin.

IMHO we have the classic case of a team of developers with all the books smarts and none of the street smarts.

Would you like to volunteer? We never said we were marketing geniuses. In fact, we asked for someone to help manage this early on and sdmathis volunteered to be a community manager, but we really need more.

I said we don't care about price in the sense that we will not release news/features specifically to manipulate price. I make enough money to live reasonably without crypto so I don't need to sell off when the coin starts tanking. Doug/David/I all are in the same boat. We're doing this not as unemployed developers looking to make a quick buck but because we saw a void between crypto and the real world and we wanted to fix it. Play the blame game all you want and feel free to speculate more, but we're doing what we can do and if you or someone else wants to help us push with marketing we would really appreciate it. If you honestly think there's a better coin with better real developers and marketing perhaps you can direct us to their information so we can see if we can adapt better. Almost all I see when I look at the selection of coins are scams, developers that have a Google Hangout and curse off investors, etc.

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July 23, 2014, 07:36:30 PM
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Also PNosker continuously saying "we don't care about price", "we don't care about traders" is just plain stupid. Either they truly don't care about making money (which seems crazy to me but is plausible) or they don't realize how to run a publicly traded piece of equity, like an altcoin.


That's the problem. VeriCoin is NOT an equity. VeriCoin is a currency. As long as people expect VeriCoin and it's developers to treat it as an equity, they will be disappointed. As an equity, all crypto is doomed to failure. As currency, however, the story is different.

The goal, from the very beginning, was to create a widely accepted currency that is superior to what is currently available (fiat, bitcoin, etc...). The VeriCoin developers have been true to that goal and the coin is progressing well.

I know that some people have lost money because they bought high and are seeing the price decline. I sympathize with that. I too know what it is like to lose money in crypto, but it's foolish to buy crypto when you really want an equity. If you want to invest in equities, open an account with Ameritrade, but if you want to invest in what many (including myself) believe is the future, You're at the right place.

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