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July 25, 2014, 10:21:45 PM
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I'm not sure how many times we need to say this, but we were aiming to make a direct CC FIAT/VRC system however due to the fact that we are all in the USA and require FINCED compliance as well as other legal compliance we couldn't do that.

Don't sit on this just thinking it's too hard to pull off (not suggesting you are...). Get the ball rolling now and knock out the obstacles as they come, even slowly will do. It'll get done and be a huge feature. The masses need this to be as simple as possible,

FINCen compliance requires MASSIVE amounts of $$$ do you have a few hundred thousand US dollars lying around to permit the FINCen compliance?
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Guys, just remember that the NewYork regulations might apply to more states with their copy/pasting. So if Doug wrote that he has an idea for making a better anon solution, then that should be included aswell and not tossed out the window.

I think anon is all the rage right now because the crypto community has this gut feeling that the regulations against crypto will be getting more strict with time, and they might be right.

But I love the VeriFied idea aswell.



Develop all these ideas as modules. Let the user plug in whatever they want. That's what we want out here, choices, not arguments about what is better, give us the choice to chose how the coin works for us. That's your "Holy Grail"

 



What are you talking about? If it has been coded, it should be included automatically. Having the user plug it in himself won't make VRC easier to use. And ease of use is important for VRC because it will be aiming at a broader group of demographics.



but they can be just like the current Verisend feature OPTIONAL to use as in YOU DONT HAVE TO USE IT regardless of if it is integrated into the wallet
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July 25, 2014, 11:09:04 PM
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I think the most important and encouraging in the VeriCoin operation is that the devs are still interested in the project and working on adding new features. The price goes up and down, right now is down, but the hard work and the release of usable features will take care of the price increase. This is a legit dev team, as PNosker said they are real people building a real money. This transparency is a very unique attribute in the scam driven alt coin market.

Right now people are upset, but 50-100% price swing happens all the time even with real business operation. In the place Russia where I have been dealing/trading/funding IT, telecom and software companies I had experienced with a few 3000% price drop in the last 25 years, there were dead bodies all over the offices, so this is a very calm environment compared to that one, here is even the crypto-history maker scummer pumper WizRig is alive, so nothing dramatic happened here. Price drops are part of the business, even bitcoin has gone through several swing. Again, the hard work from the devs will take care of the price and the future of the coin still very bright.

Which is very encouraging to me that it seems the Devs are finally working on what really matters, the decentralized app feature. No one cares about VeriBit (why would anyone want it when we can pay with bitcoin, no wonder there is only 6 VeriBit users worldwide), the FIAT feature could be useful for a few people but nothing is innovative nor exciting in the FIAT feature, but a decentralized market place or exchange could be a game changer. Please focus on that and try to roll out at least a basic app that implements decentralized features. As you know there are incredible capable and smart people working on decentralized apps, Ethereum, Skycoin, even ViaCoin with the Counterparty inegration, etc., so the competition is fierce, that's why would be important that the Devs try to release at least a very basic but working decentralized app as soon as it is possible. As you know better than I do you compete with very smart guys like Dr. Wood from Ethereum http://www.gavwood.com/Paper.pdf , but if you have something that works (even if it is a very basic app) you can be the winner in this race.

There are many people like myself who invested a lot into VeriCoin, we are not overly worry about short term price changes and willing to invest lot more if things are going in the right direction. Please implement the decentralized feature and I guaranty you many more investment will come not from pumpers but from real investors.



That is a terrible mistake for nothing can lose more than 100%. That's tops.

You would understand that reading your post after that would be a waste of time, wouldn't you?

Agreed, but he made a point and everyone got it, pitty you are being either too dumb or too troll to stop reading past that point, he just made some really interesting points about minimum viable product and customer development in that and some recent posts. I think you are too "smart" to realize how dumb you are/seem sometimes, take it as you will.

If everyone "got it", what does it matter if I did or didn't.

Don't worry, I take your post for what it is: Inane stupidity. Pure and simple. Anything else to discuss?

Or what do you expect after posting what you chose to post, a bunch of flowers?

Well actually yes, WTF is inane stupidity, could you please at least learn how to correctly spell in your moronic posts? and BTW rocket scientist are you able explain why you say what you say like an adult instead of childishly trying to offend like the stupid troll you are? no wonder you  are in the top 5 morons list... meh
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July 25, 2014, 11:42:38 PM
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Well actually yes, WTF is inane stupidity, could you please at least learn how to correctly spell in your moronic posts?

I think it's just a language barrier thing, what with English not being his native language. Inane means "stupid". As a native english speaker, you're not expecting to see somebody say "stupid stupidity", so you naturally assume that he misspelled "insane" or something.

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July 25, 2014, 11:47:02 PM
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barrabas is one of the better posters here, you just need to let his style roll off your back and learn to deal with it.

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Well actually yes, WTF is inane stupidity, could you please at least learn how to correctly spell in your moronic posts?

I think it's just a language barrier thing, what with English not being his native language. Inane means "stupid". As a native english speaker, you're not expecting to see somebody say "stupid stupidity", so you naturally assume that he misspelled "insane" or something.

It seems you both need some help understanding the meaning:

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silly; stupid.
"don't constantly badger people with inane questions"
synonyms:   silly, foolish, stupid, fatuous, idiotic, ridiculous, ludicrous, absurd, senseless, asinine, frivolous, vapid; childish, puerile; informaldumb, moronic, ditzy, daft
"another one of Craig's inane schemes"


Choose any of the synonyms to avoid the reiteration and all of them fully apply... including the reiteration.

I do speak and write perfect English, so there are no barriers ... or misspellings -unless prompted by typos or rushed posting. "Luisb", on the other hand, lacks command of English beyond a basic -very basic- level. He also lacks command of his native Spanish.

He just lacks command, period. Of anything.  
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July 25, 2014, 11:58:07 PM
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yeah.. i had expected a lot more with fiat/vrc wallet..Sad

Well the Fiat/vrc in wallet sounds great.

but this implementation brings nothing in the end.
It's just a link to a Website.

Let's not sugar coat it. The fiat wallet implementation is a massive disappointment...

Where are the devs?? Helloooooo?

Don't tell me they're not reading this..

Fuck it. I'm starting my own coin.

Who's with me?

I'm not sure how many times we need to say this, but we were aiming to make a direct CC FIAT/VRC system however due to the fact that we are all in the USA and require FINCED compliance as well as other legal compliance we couldn't do that.

So after begging for any of you guys to come in here and participate in some constructive discussion, this is all you have to say??

I can understand you not wanting to feed in to hype etc etc. But c'mon...

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July 26, 2014, 12:07:07 AM
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Doug did say that the fiat/vrc wallet integration is far from finished, and that there's more to come. So they've said enough. They can't come here and cuddle you on every page.

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July 26, 2014, 12:27:06 AM
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I do speak and write perfect English, so there are no barriers ... or misspellings -unless prompted by typos or rushed posting. "Luisb", on the other hand, lacks command of English beyond a basic -very basic- level. He also lacks command of his native Spanish.

He just lacks command, period. Of anything.  

Huh! My mistake, then. Your sentence structure is often very strange; I've just been assuming that English is a second language for you.

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July 26, 2014, 12:43:19 AM
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Well actually yes, WTF is inane stupidity, could you please at least learn how to correctly spell in your moronic posts?

I think it's just a language barrier thing, what with English not being his native language. Inane means "stupid". As a native english speaker, you're not expecting to see somebody say "stupid stupidity", so you naturally assume that he misspelled "insane" or something.

It seems you both need some help understanding the meaning:

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"don't constantly badger people with inane questions"
synonyms:   silly, foolish, stupid, fatuous, idiotic, ridiculous, ludicrous, absurd, senseless, asinine, frivolous, vapid; childish, puerile; informaldumb, moronic, ditzy, daft
"another one of Craig's inane schemes"


Choose any of the synonyms to avoid the reiteration and all of them fully apply... including the reiteration.

I do speak and write perfect English, so there are no barriers ... or misspellings -unless prompted by typos or rushed posting. "Luisb", on the other hand, lacks command of English beyond a basic -very basic- level. He also lacks command of his native Spanish.

He just lacks command, period. Of anything. 

How pedantic and moron you are dude... what a sorry excuse of a thread this has become thanks to retards such as yourself, and not being happy enough giving *zero* insight further giving lectures of english in your free time haha you are so pathetic... keep trolling without arguments no wonder you are in the top 5 morons of this thread, IMO you should be the total winner

And BTW thats just the confirmation you are one of those f*cktards so stupid you are unable to see how deeply dumb you are...  is my command of english good enough?
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July 26, 2014, 12:44:06 AM
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Doug did say that the fiat/vrc wallet integration is far from finished, and that there's more to come. So they've said enough. They can't come here and cuddle you on every page.



I'm not asking for cuddles. I'm asking them to demonstrate some leadership and intelligence by participating in a constructive discussion about features which would be potentially game changing.

They don't have to say they will implement anything.

Vague statements and defensive attitudes are wearing thin..

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July 26, 2014, 01:18:42 AM
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Doug did say that the fiat/vrc wallet integration is far from finished, and that there's more to come. So they've said enough. They can't come here and cuddle you on every page.



I'm not asking for cuddles. I'm asking them to demonstrate some leadership and intelligence by participating in a constructive discussion about features which would be potentially game changing.

They don't have to say they will implement anything.

Vague statements and defensive attitudes are wearing thin..

well about the verification thing, sorry but I fail to see the point... but what would be the point of ID verification if VISA and PAYPAL are doing... exactly that? and have I to remind you what happened to all the data of Mtgox after the collapse? Did you know all that data (few Gb worth of IDs and bank accounts) was for sale? And who is going to keep that data? Is it going then to be a centralized database or is it going to be part of the blockchain?
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July 26, 2014, 01:29:08 AM
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Doug did say that the fiat/vrc wallet integration is far from finished, and that there's more to come. So they've said enough. They can't come here and cuddle you on every page.



I'm not asking for cuddles. I'm asking them to demonstrate some leadership and intelligence by participating in a constructive discussion about features which would be potentially game changing.

They don't have to say they will implement anything.

Vague statements and defensive attitudes are wearing thin..


Oh you want someone to talk to? Well unlike you, they have a life.

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July 26, 2014, 01:39:35 AM
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Doug did say that the fiat/vrc wallet integration is far from finished, and that there's more to come. So they've said enough. They can't come here and cuddle you on every page.



I'm not asking for cuddles. I'm asking them to demonstrate some leadership and intelligence by participating in a constructive discussion about features which would be potentially game changing.

They don't have to say they will implement anything.

Vague statements and defensive attitudes are wearing thin..


Oh you want someone to talk to? Well unlike you, they have a life.



Ha. Insulting me in defense of your vague and absent leader.. Nice.

Maybe you're right, maybe they DO have a life outside Vericoin. Maybe THAT is the problem!? Good luck launching a global currency and working full time..

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For the last hour in which you've been saying the devs are absent, they've been doing a live talk on youtube and answering questions. 
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They even mentioned your name Monkeys being a Verileader.
Stay cool man, I like your input a lot!
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July 26, 2014, 01:56:23 AM
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Missed the first few minutes. Thanks for taking the time to share with us some things and clarify the vision a bit more.

Enjoyed the hangout. Appreciate the passion for VeriCoin.

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July 26, 2014, 02:01:34 AM
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I'm not sure how many times we need to say this, but we were aiming to make a direct CC FIAT/VRC system however due to the fact that we are all in the USA and require FINCED compliance as well as other legal compliance we couldn't do that.

Don't sit on this just thinking it's too hard to pull off (not suggesting you are...). Get the ball rolling now and knock out the obstacles as they come, even slowly will do. It'll get done and be a huge feature. The masses need this to be as simple as possible,

FINCen compliance requires MASSIVE amounts of $$$ do you have a few hundred thousand US dollars lying around to permit the FINCen compliance?

VRC is not yet to the point of being worth an investor, myself or otherwise, fronting hundreds of thousand of dollars. However, it does have promise and with the proper path it could attract that kind of interest.

I was simply trying to help with some pointers about building a business or knocking out a tough long term project.

Is the $ needed up front to get the ball rolling or can it come later toward the end of the process? If the later then why not get it moving and then make the final decision if the value of VRC takes off or if larger investors get involved? VRC may become a bit more attractive to the investment community just by being able to state that FinCEN compliance is in the works (and being able to show as such with filed forms etc.).

I'm not in the industry of needing to worry about building a business based upon FinCEN compliance etc. So, yes, I am naive there. I am however in the business of building companies… so, I'm just a VRC supporter trying to put in 0.02 VRC of encouragement/advice.

This is all I have to say on the subject.

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July 26, 2014, 02:10:57 AM
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I think the most important and encouraging in the VeriCoin operation is that the devs are still interested in the project and working on adding new features. The price goes up and down, right now is down, but the hard work and the release of usable features will take care of the price increase. This is a legit dev team, as PNosker said they are real people building a real money. This transparency is a very unique attribute in the scam driven alt coin market.

Right now people are upset, but 50-100% price swing happens all the time even with real business operation. In the place Russia where I have been dealing/trading/funding IT, telecom and software companies I had experienced with a few 3000% price drop in the last 25 years, there were dead bodies all over the offices, so this is a very calm environment compared to that one, here is even the crypto-history maker scummer pumper WizRig is alive, so nothing dramatic happened here. Price drops are part of the business, even bitcoin has gone through several swing. Again, the hard work from the devs will take care of the price and the future of the coin still very bright.

Which is very encouraging to me that it seems the Devs are finally working on what really matters, the decentralized app feature. No one cares about VeriBit (why would anyone want it when we can pay with bitcoin, no wonder there is only 6 VeriBit users worldwide), the FIAT feature could be useful for a few people but nothing is innovative nor exciting in the FIAT feature, but a decentralized market place or exchange could be a game changer. Please focus on that and try to roll out at least a basic app that implements decentralized features. As you know there are incredible capable and smart people working on decentralized apps, Ethereum, Skycoin, even ViaCoin with the Counterparty inegration, etc., so the competition is fierce, that's why would be important that the Devs try to release at least a very basic but working decentralized app as soon as it is possible. As you know better than I do you compete with very smart guys like Dr. Wood from Ethereum http://www.gavwood.com/Paper.pdf , but if you have something that works (even if it is a very basic app) you can be the winner in this race.

There are many people like myself who invested a lot into VeriCoin, we are not overly worry about short term price changes and willing to invest lot more if things are going in the right direction. Please implement the decentralized feature and I guaranty you many more investment will come not from pumpers but from real investors.



That is a terrible mistake for nothing can lose more than 100%. That's tops.

You would understand that reading your post after that would be a waste of time, wouldn't you?

Agreed, but he made a point and everyone got it, pitty you are being either too dumb or too troll to stop reading past that point, he just made some really interesting points about minimum viable product and customer development in that and some recent posts. I think you are too "smart" to realize how dumb you are/seem sometimes, take it as you will.

If everyone "got it", what does it matter if I did or didn't.

Don't worry, I take your post for what it is: Inane stupidity. Pure and simple. Anything else to discuss?

Or what do you expect after posting what you chose to post, a bunch of flowers?

Well actually yes, WTF is inane stupidity, could you please at least learn how to correctly spell in your moronic posts? and BTW rocket scientist are you able explain why you say what you say like an adult instead of childishly trying to offend like the stupid troll you are? no wonder you  are in the top 5 morons list... meh

I thought in mathematics you could say that there is a more than 100% decrease exists. I mean I thought one could say that there is a 100%, 200% or 300% decrease. Like if your start number is let say 10 and your end number is negative 300 (-300), then my high school teacher described that result as 3000% percent decrease.  But I could be very wrong, I am very poor in mathematics. From business viewpoint I definitely felt in that past that I experienced with a 3000% decrease in my pocket when I provided collateral and I was liable to cover a $300,000 loss instead of gain the expected $10,000, but obviously it was just a decrease relative to the expected gain, and I am sure you are right Barrabas, saying -3000% is just plain stupidity from my part.

Anyway, sorry Barrabas for writing stupid things like that -3000%, when such a fucking genius is in thread like yourself then every single word is obviously very important. As your actions implies sloppy phrases in the forum will seriously effect the future of Vericoin, our chances to cure cancer and the mission to Mars just to mention a few tasks which I am sure you have been involving. The good news is, we are safe, because you are here and frequently point out to people what, how and when to write.
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I think the most important and encouraging in the VeriCoin operation is that the devs are still interested in the project and working on adding new features. The price goes up and down, right now is down, but the hard work and the release of usable features will take care of the price increase. This is a legit dev team, as PNosker said they are real people building a real money. This transparency is a very unique attribute in the scam driven alt coin market.

Right now people are upset, but 50-100% price swing happens all the time even with real business operation. In the place Russia where I have been dealing/trading/funding IT, telecom and software companies I had experienced with a few 3000% price drop in the last 25 years, there were dead bodies all over the offices, so this is a very calm environment compared to that one, here is even the crypto-history maker scummer pumper WizRig is alive, so nothing dramatic happened here. Price drops are part of the business, even bitcoin has gone through several swing. Again, the hard work from the devs will take care of the price and the future of the coin still very bright.

Which is very encouraging to me that it seems the Devs are finally working on what really matters, the decentralized app feature. No one cares about VeriBit (why would anyone want it when we can pay with bitcoin, no wonder there is only 6 VeriBit users worldwide), the FIAT feature could be useful for a few people but nothing is innovative nor exciting in the FIAT feature, but a decentralized market place or exchange could be a game changer. Please focus on that and try to roll out at least a basic app that implements decentralized features. As you know there are incredible capable and smart people working on decentralized apps, Ethereum, Skycoin, even ViaCoin with the Counterparty inegration, etc., so the competition is fierce, that's why would be important that the Devs try to release at least a very basic but working decentralized app as soon as it is possible. As you know better than I do you compete with very smart guys like Dr. Wood from Ethereum http://www.gavwood.com/Paper.pdf , but if you have something that works (even if it is a very basic app) you can be the winner in this race.

There are many people like myself who invested a lot into VeriCoin, we are not overly worry about short term price changes and willing to invest lot more if things are going in the right direction. Please implement the decentralized feature and I guaranty you many more investment will come not from pumpers but from real investors.



That is a terrible mistake for nothing can lose more than 100%. That's tops.

You would understand that reading your post after that would be a waste of time, wouldn't you?

Agreed, but he made a point and everyone got it, pitty you are being either too dumb or too troll to stop reading past that point, he just made some really interesting points about minimum viable product and customer development in that and some recent posts. I think you are too "smart" to realize how dumb you are/seem sometimes, take it as you will.

If everyone "got it", what does it matter if I did or didn't.

Don't worry, I take your post for what it is: Inane stupidity. Pure and simple. Anything else to discuss?

Or what do you expect after posting what you chose to post, a bunch of flowers?

Well actually yes, WTF is inane stupidity, could you please at least learn how to correctly spell in your moronic posts? and BTW rocket scientist are you able explain why you say what you say like an adult instead of childishly trying to offend like the stupid troll you are? no wonder you  are in the top 5 morons list... meh

I thought in mathematics you could say that there is a more than 100% decrease exists. I mean I thought one could say that there is a 100%, 200% or 300% decrease. Like if your start number is let say 10 and your end number is negative 300 (-300), then my high school teacher described that result as 3000% percent decrease.  But I could be very wrong, I am very poor in mathematics. From business viewpoint I definitely felt in that past that I experienced with a 3000% decrease in my pocket when I provided collateral and I was liable to cover a $300,000 loss instead of gain the expected $10,000, but obviously it was just a decrease relative to the expected gain, and I am sure you are right Barrabas, saying -3000% is just plain stupidity from my part.

Anyway, sorry Barrabas for writing stupid things like that -3000%, when such a fucking genius is in thread like yourself then every single word is obviously very important. As your actions implies sloppy phrases in the forum will seriously effect the future of Vericoin, our chances to cure cancer and the mission to Mars just to mention a few tasks which I am sure you have been involving. The good news is, we are safe, because you are here and frequently point out to people what, how and when to write.

You could say that, yes. You actually, amazingly, did.
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