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July 15, 2014, 06:51:14 AM
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Its actually a great thing that was done, multiple reasons.

From here forward I will use 'we' as in 'crypto'

We have the ability, to undo unjust massive criminal actions.
We have the ability to stand up and fight for the rights of people.
We have the ability to make ground breaking decisions for the positive side of things finally.
We have the ability to CHOOSE if we do not like something and move on.
We have the ability to let the people determine the fate of when an exchange when they ever so blatantly disregards their own statements regarding security, by choosing to not use them.
We have the ability to not let a thief become a centralized , determining factor of a project.
We do not have to take a beating from others lacking judgement when so many could/would have been affected.
We do NOT have to mimic and or follow in the footsteps of others every move , just because 'they' would or wouldn't because they were the 1st to create an idea or movement. (yes I am implying BTC here)

We are in a revolution, and revolutionary progress, is not simply not following an old path, it requires leadership , that make fast, appropriate and responsive decisions that would affect masses, both good & bad.

I for one am proud, that the team involved with VRC, had the moral capability to step outside the box that 'some' seem trapped in, to make a difficult decision.

Walking behind others will never lead you down a new path where evolution is detrimental to success.

Everyone, enjoy your day.




Man, you guys are driving me crazy.  You let an exchange dictate the path of your coin due to the centralized exchanges's lack of security and your defending it.
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July 15, 2014, 06:51:20 AM
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Its actually a great thing that was done, multiple reasons.

From here forward I will use 'we' as in 'crypto'

We have the ability, to undo unjust massive criminal actions.
We have the ability to stand up and fight for the rights of people.
We have the ability to make ground breaking decisions for the positive side of things finally.
We have the ability to CHOOSE if we do not like something and move on.
We have the ability to let the people determine the fate of when an exchange when they ever so blatantly disregards their own statements regarding security, by choosing to not use them.
We have the ability to not let a thief become a centralized , determining factor of a project.
We do not have to take a beating from others lacking judgement when so many could/would have been affected.
We do NOT have to mimic and or follow in the footsteps of others every move , just because 'they' would or wouldn't because they were the 1st to create an idea or movement. (yes I am implying BTC here)

We are in a revolution, and revolutionary progress, is not simply not following an old path, it requires leadership , that make fast, appropriate and responsive decisions that would affect masses, both good & bad.

I for one am proud, that the team involved with VRC, had the moral capability to step outside the box that 'some' seem trapped in, to make a difficult decision.

Walking behind others will never lead you down a new path where evolution is detrimental to success.

Everyone, enjoy your day.




I'll just rip apart your first "we" point.

1. What is the definition of "massive criminal actions"? Is it 10% of the total supply of VRC? 20%? 30%?

2. What is the exact cut off in terms of % or value etc for this "ability" to undo criminal actions?

3. What if it is just 1 wallet that is not an exchange that gets hacked....how does that play into things?

What happens the next time you decide to roll back the chain? As a merchant I would not want to accept VRC for payment as it could be taken away from me by a possible roll back due to some large criminal action related to VRC.

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July 15, 2014, 06:51:30 AM
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How much was veri before the disaster. All i see it is  down from 65k to 35k.
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July 15, 2014, 06:52:01 AM
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name calling


Just calling it like I see it. 3 aspies pushing the VRC thread to the top of the page. It's like what happened with the movie Basic Instincts, with a loud minority of protesters creating a controversy where there is none and making every outsider curious about a coin they would never have bought before.

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July 15, 2014, 06:52:20 AM
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For all the Vericoin holders that are ok with the "rollback", we would like to introduce a new exciting investment option.

"RollbackCoin"

Have your coins stolen?
Make a bad trade?
Sold all your coins and want them back?
Just want to fuck with other holders?

Just use our veri innovative "rollback" button. One push of the rollback button removes the last 25 blocks.*


*This option is only available to the devs (you can trust us)  Wink.
**We will use as often as we like.




I want more info.

PoS?
PoW
PoSA???

Coin count?

I love it

Cheesy

It is what vericoin has become.

This is funny. Should be a commercial for entertainment.

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July 15, 2014, 06:53:00 AM
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would be interesting to know how many of the 8m coins were owned by the devs and early adopters, smart money says 50%+

haha...that may be low. This rollback is as criminal as the theft!
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July 15, 2014, 06:53:54 AM
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most people are not able to think ahead it seems

looking at the whole incident, the chargeback seems the only right thing, but only from and to a certain point in the timeline

what you fail to see is what this might cause in future, what power you gave to a small group and what abusive potential you created. the chargeback is and looks good right to the point where you take away the "stolen" (stolen my a**) from the ones that caused this. but everything AFTER this is negative development. from now on, whenever someone with the right amount of power, influence, coins or whatever is needed, wants to cause a chargeback, they have a good chance to reach that goal by screaming HACKER and getting the gullible mass to approve actions for "the greater good"

besides that, it was stated in this thread that it was a _one_time_thing_. no more chargebacks in future. and yet you want to rush to the media, you want to reach investors with this story and tell them payp--vericoin is secure from thievery? yeah, what are you going to tell them when next time a situation like this erupts. and don't come with "it's impossible to happen again"

whoever sells below 29k now must be a complete retard....
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July 15, 2014, 06:54:55 AM
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name calling


Just calling it like I see it. 3 aspies pushing the VRC thread to the top of the page. It's like what happened with the movie Basic Instincts, with a loud minority of protesters creating a controversy where there is none and making every outsider curious about a coin they would never have bought before.



Read the forum rules noob. You will find that personal attacks and name calling are not allowed on this forum.

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most people are not able to think ahead it seems

looking at the whole incident, the chargeback seems the only right thing, but only from and to a certain point in the timeline

what you fail to see is what this might cause in future, what power you gave to a small group and what abusive potential you created. the chargeback is and looks good right to the point where you take away the "stolen" (stolen my a**) from the ones that caused this. but everything AFTER this is negative development. from now on, whenever someone with the right amount of power, influence, coins or whatever is needed, wants to cause a chargeback, they have a good chance to reach that goal by screaming HACKER and getting the gullible mass to approve actions for "the greater good"

besides that, it was stated in this thread that it was a _one_time_thing_. no more chargebacks in future. and yet you want to rush to the media, you want to reach investors with this story and tell them payp--vericoin is secure from thievery? yeah, what are you going to tell them when next time a situation like this erupts. and don't come with "it's impossible to happen again"

So...in the future if 45% of the coins get stolen...what should be done? Kinda hard to consistently explain the reasoning...huh?
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my wallet says no connections got old nodes if new exist plz post it.

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name calling


Just calling it like I see it. 3 aspies pushing the VRC thread to the top of the page. It's like what happened with the movie Basic Instincts, with a loud minority of protesters creating a controversy where there is none and making every outsider curious about a coin they would never have bought before.



Read the forum rules noob. You will find that personal attacks and name calling are not allowed on this forum.


I didn't know the rules, I'm new here. But you're an aspie who's pushing the VRC thread to the top of the page. Your doing advert and you don't even know it. How can you not be an aspie, I mean, how can it be an insult when you're actually doing this weird thing? It's descriptive of you for real bro.
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my wallet says no connections got old nodes if new exist plz post it.

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can you go to the http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=%23vericoin&uio=d4 and somebody will help you
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July 15, 2014, 07:01:51 AM
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name calling


Just calling it like I see it. 3 aspies pushing the VRC thread to the top of the page. It's like what happened with the movie Basic Instincts, with a loud minority of protesters creating a controversy where there is none and making every outsider curious about a coin they would never have bought before.



Read the forum rules noob. You will find that personal attacks and name calling are not allowed on this forum.


I didn't know the rules, I'm new here. But you're an aspie who's pushing the VRC thread to the top of the page. Your doing advert and you don't even know it. How can you not be an aspie, I mean, how can it be an insult when you're actually doing this weird thing? It's descriptive of you for real bro.

More name calling it seems.

Read the forum rules before you act like you are justified in your actions.

Edit: If you don't like the fact that I am posting in a public forum and obeying the rules of the forum...then deal with it. Or you could cry about it. The choice is yours.

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So...in the future if 45% of the coins get stolen...what should be done? Kinda hard to consistently explain the reasoning...huh?


how about this

With that said, we will not be doing this again. It is imperative that you keep your coins off exchanges and safe. We did not do this to "bail out" MintPal but to prevent the coin from being destroyed in an instant.


yeah what now. how about being smart on your side, and for the exchanges goes the same

whoever sells below 29k now must be a complete retard....
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name calling


Just calling it like I see it. 3 aspies pushing the VRC thread to the top of the page. It's like what happened with the movie Basic Instincts, with a loud minority of protesters creating a controversy where there is none and making every outsider curious about a coin they would never have bought before.



Read the forum rules noob. You will find that personal attacks and name calling are not allowed on this forum.

your signature is starting to hurt my eyes.. how much are you selling it for since you've got that much exposure from all your craps? Smiley

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So...in the future if 45% of the coins get stolen...what should be done? Kinda hard to consistently explain the reasoning...huh?


how about this

With that said, we will not be doing this again. It is imperative that you keep your coins off exchanges and safe. We did not do this to "bail out" MintPal but to prevent the coin from being destroyed in an instant.


yeah what now. how about being smart on your side, and for the exchanges goes the same

His words mean nothing. His actions speak louder. Anyone can say something to restore confidence in the short term. In the long term I suspect this will be the reason VRC fails.

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July 15, 2014, 07:08:10 AM
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I think this incident will show that rollback options will need to be part of every
coin including Bitcoin in the case of catastrophic system damage such
as what happened with the 8 million coin theft.

Otherwise regular mainstream users will not trust Crypto with their money - ever.

Don't let archaic ideals cloud the future of this experiment. I think this VRC
case will be looked back on as a groundbreaking event that helped bring crypto to
the masses.

Trust makes money work.
It's only logical that the system can defend itself from attacks that can kill it.

I will favor investment in coins that have this capability myself.
No one wants to put their money into defenseless vapor.


I agree - The developers might not as Patrick has said "We can't do this again."

However the recovery options will need to be much more sophisticated than simple rollbacks because this needs a number complicated problems such as merchants who exchanged goods for currency which was later made worthless.

As a wider point - eventually if cryptocurrencies ever go "Mainstream" then unless the world order changes (a radical change in human civilization departing from thousands of years of history), then it will be brought under the control of the federal reserve and all the other banking cartels/central banks of the world - they will be the masters of this new crypto economy - being able subtract and add to the money supply at their will. They will use any and all means they can to achieve this control, using similar secretive methods they used to setup the Federal Reserve all those years ago.





people didn't realize that rollback saved their asses = 1.45 million euros will put any exchanger down = so mintpal down = all crypto gone : zs , min , mint , btc , ltc ....etc = other exchnages will go down also = because they have transfers between them = it will be like subprim crisis with banks = pyramid = all exchanges will close




so then by that logic it's ok when the banks get bailed out to save the USD?
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July 15, 2014, 07:08:49 AM
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name calling


Just calling it like I see it. 3 aspies pushing the VRC thread to the top of the page. It's like what happened with the movie Basic Instincts, with a loud minority of protesters creating a controversy where there is none and making every outsider curious about a coin they would never have bought before.



Read the forum rules noob. You will find that personal attacks and name calling are not allowed on this forum.


I didn't know the rules, I'm new here. But you're an aspie who's pushing the VRC thread to the top of the page. Your doing advert and you don't even know it. How can you not be an aspie, I mean, how can it be an insult when you're actually doing this weird thing? It's descriptive of you for real bro.

More name calling it seems.

Read the forum rules before you act like you are justified in your actions.


Okay, let me rephrase that.

I seriously believe that you have an autism spectrum disorder called Asperger syndrome. I'm not insulting you, it is a diagnosis that I am making because of your weird actions over the last 2 days. Your helping the vrc community and you don't even know it. That's weird to me. So my identification of you as such is founded on 2 days of facts.

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