[ANN][VRC] VeriCoin Proof of Stake-Time Currency | New Roadmap Released

[smoothie]

Mintpal has not provided proof (as far as I am aware) they were indeed hacked and not just claimed to have been hacked.

This sets a precedent now.

I can see a user getting 20% of the coin supply in the future...selling them for BTC or buying something for VRC and after they get what they want they can just cry foul and ask for the devs to roll back the VRC blockchain because they claimed they had coins stolen that were of "substantial" amount.

This is a joke what happened today.

Oh shit, you've been here all day all night arguing about vericoin. Why so fucking concerned as you aren't even holding any VRC? We know your intentions, now get lost and let it be.

Obviously you know nothing.

My purpose here is to out the bullshit as much as some of you may want to suppress it.

But why? OH WHY? Why so concerned? You just lost a shit load of money on URO?

It is funny for you to reach and try to find something to insult me on.

Nope as I already said...it is purely and solely to out the bullshit that has gone on today for what it is.

[smoothie]

What about those transactions that took place in the meantime?

What if someone actually transferred big amounts of vrc to cryptsy and dumped them for btc. And now he finds out he still got the coins in his wallet...  

He will enjoy his Bitcoin !! Great job Vericoin for fucking this up !

This is but one thing that the devs did not address and will not.

"Hey guys I lost my vericoin lunch money...can we roll back?"

[Dadams]

Wow.

I'm not someone for conspiracy theories and such.
But... please tell me that VeriCoin and VeriChip is just a very unlucky coincidence?

Hell maybe I have something wrong here...
someone here thinks that a coin like this is in keeping with Satoshi ideas?

Today we saw the bailout of an exchange.
I am sorry for the devs. It is not their fault they got put in this situation.
But the fact remains: they bailed out an exchange.

To the people saying: "they had to! so many coins too much for one person to own! they can attack the network!"
Just think about it.... those coins are being rolled back and going back to one entity.. Mintpal.
If it is unsafe in one entities hands, what does it matter if that entity is the hacker or Mintpal when it comes to the security of the network.
If the system inherently protects itself, as Bitcoin and all crypto's are allegedly designed to do, then it will protect itself in hands of hackers as well as exchanges. If more is to be gained by holding the stake than abusing the stake then all is safe.

If I was the hacker this is what I would do:
(Hacker take note)
I would send most of the coins to a ridiculous and inaccessible wallet called something like Mintpalsucksandhasnosecurity.
In that way you would destroy the coins, keeping a fee for showing this flaw to the community.
This would also negate the main reason for a rollback.

[GridWorker]

If I was the hacker this is what I would do:
(Hacker take note)

LoL rooting for the criminal.

Are you a wannabe criminal or an actual criminal?

[smoothie]

To the people saying: "they had to! so many coins too much for one person to own! they can attack the network!"
Just think about it.... those coins are being rolled back and going back to one entity.. Mintpal.
If it is unsafe in one entities hands, what does it matter if that entity is the hacker or Mintpal when it comes to the security of the network.
If the system inherently protects itself, as Bitcoin and all crypto's are allegedly designed to do, then it will protect itself in hands of hackers as well as exchanges. If more is to be gained by holding the stake than abusing the stake then all is safe.

If I was the hacker this is what I would do:
(Hacker take note)
I would send most of the coins to a ridiculous and inaccessible wallet called something like Mintpalsucksandhasnosecurity.
In that way you would destroy the coins, keeping a fee for showing this flaw to the community.
This would also negate the main reason for a rollback.

That is a very good question. I'd like to hear the answer to that.

[smoothie]

Mintpal has not provided proof (as far as I am aware) they were indeed hacked and not just claimed to have been hacked.

This sets a precedent now.

I can see a user getting 20% of the coin supply in the future...selling them for BTC or buying something for VRC and after they get what they want they can just cry foul and ask for the devs to roll back the VRC blockchain because they claimed they had coins stolen that were of "substantial" amount.

This is a joke what happened today.

Oh shit, you've been here all day all night arguing about vericoin. Why so fucking concerned as you aren't even holding any VRC? We know your intentions, now get lost and let it be.

Obviously you know nothing.

My purpose here is to out the bullshit as much as some of you may want to suppress it.

But why? OH WHY? Why so concerned? You just lost a shit load of money on URO?

It is funny for you to reach and try to find something to insult me on.

Nope as I already said...it is purely and solely to out the bullshit that has gone on today for what it is.

You must be really butthurt. Idk why but it seems to be so Now ignore this fudster baby shit coin holder.

Obviously by your immature verbbage you are the one that is butthurt.

Did I say something you didn't like? Cry more please. Thanks 

[Dadams]

If I was the hacker this is what I would do:
(Hacker take note)

LoL rooting for the criminal.

Are you a wannabe criminal or an actual criminal?

Please actually read my post if you are going to quote parts of it.
Also, if you follow anything of what I have said today you will see that I am not rooting for the hacker.
Criminals are a cancer on society.

I do believe that we need a system that can't be hacked in this way though, otherwise it will keep happening.
By saving the exchange we allow its survival and the environment in which this happened.
It is good Mtgox is dead.
If you have cancer on your body, sometimes you need to cut your leg off.
If you just put a bandaid on it, the cancer grows.

[mdtspain]

The thing is serious and I believe that BigDaddyWooWoo, who is active on another thread is right. I quote:

The bigger problem in all this is the "rollback", or the ability to do so.  Crypto has a real world trust issue and this makes it 100 times worse.  If I am a merchant there is no way in hell now that I would accept digital currency as now I have no idea if I get to keep my money. If the ledger can be rolled back on a whim then decentralized currencies are dead.

M/C and Visa have this issue to an extent but they cannot roll back an entire public ledger for as far back as they want to go.  Also, they are already entrenched where crypto is just getting a foothold.

Fungibility is extremely important.  Trust is extremely important.  Confidence is extremely important.  This is not a Vericoin problem.  This is a digital currency problem.  This affects the entire cryptosphere. This is now our problem.

I am converting all my holdings to BTC and hoping that it will weather the storm.  If it begins to take a hit back to fiat I go.  It sucks but the bed has been made now.  Not being chicken little here, just being objective and safe with my investments.

[cryptodevil]

Developmental issue vs. Business Security Failure.

Worlds apart. Apples and oranges. lol

The solution is still the same even if the event is different. Were Mintpal's breach to have occurred to Bitcoin when it was in its infancy you know damn well it would have been dealt with the same way and everybody would have been cheering the dev team for stopping the thieves in their tracks. Just because the cryptocurrency world is now awash with multiple currencies who all wish to be as successful as VRC has been so far, this thread becomes a target for screaming ignorance and sky-is-falling hysteria.

[smoothie]

The thing is serious and I believe that BigDaddyWooWoo, who is active on another thread is right. I quote:

The bigger problem in all this is the "rollback", or the ability to do so.  Crypto has a real world trust issue and this makes it 100 times worse.  If I am a merchant there is no way in hell now that I would accept digital currency as now I have no idea if I get to keep my money. If the ledger can be rolled back on a whim then decentralized currencies are dead.

M/C and Visa have this issue to an extent but they cannot roll back an entire public ledger for as far back as they want to go.  Also, they are already entrenched where crypto is just getting a foothold.

Fungibility is extremely important.  Trust is extremely important.  Confidence is extremely important.  This is not a Vericoin problem.  This is a digital currency problem.  This affects the entire cryptosphere. This is now our problem.

I am converting all my holdings to BTC and hoping that it will weather the storm.  If it begins to take a hit back to fiat I go.  It sucks but the bed has been made now.  Not being chicken little here, just being objective and safe with my investments.

So far it is just a VRC problem. No other crypto has done this yet.

[SpiryGolden]

You must be really butthurt. Idk why but it seems to be so Now ignore this fudster baby shit coin holder.

Auna here are "Hero Members" more trustful and actually did more to Bitcoin Community then you ever did in sh*tcoin community . Your lack of experience and commeting at other high experience users telling them that it's FUD cause you couldn't reply to inteligent questions , regarding crypto market stability  . Oh yes a bullshit like this would and affect Bitcoin Economy too . Since it's a huge chance that somebody have now Vericoin that had been sold before on other exchanges .

Calm down & stop screaming FUD for every question or remark . Because you aren't speaking with 10-20 posts users . ok ?  

[Casu]

The thing is serious and I believe that BigDaddyWooWoo, who is active on another thread is right. I quote:

The bigger problem in all this is the "rollback", or the ability to do so.  Crypto has a real world trust issue and this makes it 100 times worse.  If I am a merchant there is no way in hell now that I would accept digital currency as now I have no idea if I get to keep my money. If the ledger can be rolled back on a whim then decentralized currencies are dead.

M/C and Visa have this issue to an extent but they cannot roll back an entire public ledger for as far back as they want to go.  Also, they are already entrenched where crypto is just getting a foothold.

Fungibility is extremely important.  Trust is extremely important.  Confidence is extremely important.  This is not a Vericoin problem.  This is a digital currency problem.  This affects the entire cryptosphere. This is now our problem.

I am converting all my holdings to BTC and hoping that it will weather the storm.  If it begins to take a hit back to fiat I go.  It sucks but the bed has been made now.  Not being chicken little here, just being objective and safe with my investments.

This sums it up pretty much perfectly, yet instead of addressing the issue people are just labeling anyone that might affect their short term investment as 'butthurt' or 'crying like a baby'.

[smoothie]

Developmental issue vs. Business Security Failure.

Worlds apart. Apples and oranges. lol

The solution is still the same even if the event is different. Were Mintpal's breach to have occurred to Bitcoin when it was in its infancy you know damn well it would have been dealt with the same way and everybody would have been cheering the dev team for stopping the thieves in their tracks. Just because the cryptocurrency world is now awash with multiple currencies who all wish to be as successful as VRC has been so far, this thread becomes a target for screaming ignorance and sky-is-falling hysteria.

Nope. MTGOX got hacked in June 2011 (infancy).

BTC-e was hacked in 2012 (infancy).

Neither time did Bitcoin devs roll back anything for those hacks.

Let me name drop on you some huge bitcoin scams that were never rolled back on: MyBitcoin.com, Bitcoinica, PirateAt40's Bitcoin Savings and Trust, ...and those were all in mid 2012 or prior.

So don't play this supposition that I the devs WOULD do something similar if Bitcoin was in its infancy. I just proved your point wrong.

[Bobsurplus]

Mintpal has not provided proof (as far as I am aware) they were indeed hacked and not just claimed to have been hacked.

This sets a precedent now.

I can see a user getting 20% of the coin supply in the future...selling them for BTC or buying something for VRC and after they get what they want they can just cry foul and ask for the devs to roll back the VRC blockchain because they claimed they had coins stolen that were of "substantial" amount.

This is a joke what happened today.

Oh shit, you've been here all day all night arguing about vericoin. Why so fucking concerned as you aren't even holding any VRC? We know your intentions, now get lost and let it be.

Obviously you know nothing.

My purpose here is to out the bullshit as much as some of you may want to suppress it.

But why? OH WHY? Why so concerned? You just lost a shit load of money on URO?

It is funny for you to reach and try to find something to insult me on.

Nope as I already said...it is purely and solely to out the bullshit that has gone on today for what it is.

You must be really butthurt. Idk why but it seems to be so Now ignore this fudster baby shit coin holder.

You're a fucking joke. I doubt smoothie would be butthurt by any alt except maybe ltc :p

Stop talking like you're big shit!

[buy4crypto]

Like many others, I have a lot of Veri on Mint. The only reason its there, like everyone else, is to trade. No one uses Veri, so a rollback was feasible.

But it might have just fucked crypto in general.

What do you mean, you can rollback Bitcoin? That's what every government around the world will be told. That's what every bank is going to spell out as to why they won't allow crypto.

As soon as possible, I'm dumping my entire holding.

Stupid fucking decision.

Bye, where 1 crypto purist leaves, VeriCoin will take in many more mainstream people who wanted to be a part of the blockchain for years, but they could never get comfetorable with all the theft, not the whole centralized, decentralized BS that the purists think is nessisary for survival.

There is a reason bitcoin isn't growing as fast as it could. The purists hold it back trying to make it be something that it doesn't have to be to satisfy there agenda.

VeriCoin just created value for other people who once shied away from crypto due to people demanding that crypto are overcomplicated, and vulnerable.

VeriCoin proved there is a better way and the select few are mad? VeriCoin used the technology to avoid theft and secure its network, and this was bad?

Its irresposible to not use the resources at your disposal the technology allows, ONLY to cater to criminals, and purists. You see how they are close in the same? These people with computer skills want to keep it pure, so that they can control the power for the small %. As crypto grows more mainstream the computer geeks will lose more and more of the power they have. Scared much? VeriCoin proves that if your team is dilligent enough, and cares about its community that things can be done using the technology to strengthen a community and move forward a technology.

[stealth923]

To the people saying: "they had to! so many coins too much for one person to own! they can attack the network!"
Just think about it.... those coins are being rolled back and going back to one entity.. Mintpal.
If it is unsafe in one entities hands, what does it matter if that entity is the hacker or Mintpal when it comes to the security of the network.
If the system inherently protects itself, as Bitcoin and all crypto's are allegedly designed to do, then it will protect itself in hands of hackers as well as exchanges. If more is to be gained by holding the stake than abusing the stake then all is safe.

If I was the hacker this is what I would do:
(Hacker take note)
I would send most of the coins to a ridiculous and inaccessible wallet called something like Mintpalsucksandhasnosecurity.
In that way you would destroy the coins, keeping a fee for showing this flaw to the community.
This would also negate the main reason for a rollback.

That is a very good question. I'd like to hear the answer to that.

Perhaps we have just witnessed the death of proof of stake coins - a wallet in an exchange can hold and stake such a large percentage they can execute their own attack on the network. Or someone who can hack and take control of that wallet could kill the coin. Centralized much?

[smoothie]

The thing is serious and I believe that BigDaddyWooWoo, who is active on another thread is right. I quote:

The bigger problem in all this is the "rollback", or the ability to do so.  Crypto has a real world trust issue and this makes it 100 times worse.  If I am a merchant there is no way in hell now that I would accept digital currency as now I have no idea if I get to keep my money. If the ledger can be rolled back on a whim then decentralized currencies are dead.

M/C and Visa have this issue to an extent but they cannot roll back an entire public ledger for as far back as they want to go.  Also, they are already entrenched where crypto is just getting a foothold.

Fungibility is extremely important.  Trust is extremely important.  Confidence is extremely important.  This is not a Vericoin problem.  This is a digital currency problem.  This affects the entire cryptosphere. This is now our problem.

I am converting all my holdings to BTC and hoping that it will weather the storm.  If it begins to take a hit back to fiat I go.  It sucks but the bed has been made now.  Not being chicken little here, just being objective and safe with my investments.

This sums it up pretty much perfectly, yet instead of addressing the issue people are just labeling anyone that might affect their short term investment as 'butthurt' or 'crying like a baby'.

That is the tactic. Instead of having an adult conversation they divert attention to name calling, slander, insults, etc to get attention off of the real issue which is the roll back and how it is a huge fuck up.

[Bobsurplus]

Like many others, I have a lot of Veri on Mint. The only reason its there, like everyone else, is to trade. No one uses Veri, so a rollback was feasible.

But it might have just fucked crypto in general.

What do you mean, you can rollback Bitcoin? That's what every government around the world will be told. That's what every bank is going to spell out as to why they won't allow crypto.

As soon as possible, I'm dumping my entire holding.

Stupid fucking decision.

Bye, where 1 crypto purist leaves, VeriCoin will take in many more mainstream people who wanted to be a part of the blockchain for years, but they could never get comfetorable with all the theft, not the whole centralized, decentralized BS that the purists think is nessisary for survival.

There is a reason bitcoin isn't growing as fast as it could. The purists hold it back trying to make it be something that it doesn't have to be to satisfy there agenda.

VeriCoin just created value for other people who once shied away from crypto due to people demanding that crypto are overcomplicated, and vulnerable.

VeriCoin proved there is a better way and the select few are mad? VeriCoin used the technology to avoid theft and secure its network, and this was bad?

Its irresposible to not use the resources at your disposal the technology allows, ONLY to cater to criminals, and purists. You see how they are close in the same? These people with computer skills want to keep it pure, so that they can control the power for the small %. As crypto grows more mainstream the computer geeks will lose more and more of the power they have. Scared much? VeriCoin proves that if your team is dilligent enough, and cares about its community that things can be done using the technology to strengthen a community and move forward a technology.

Are you on drugs? This in NO WAY will help VRC! Never ever!

[altcoinUK]

The thing is serious and I believe that BigDaddyWooWoo, who is active on another thread is right. I quote:

The bigger problem in all this is the "rollback", or the ability to do so.  Crypto has a real world trust issue and this makes it 100 times worse.  If I am a merchant there is no way in hell now that I would accept digital currency as now I have no idea if I get to keep my money. If the ledger can be rolled back on a whim then decentralized currencies are dead.

M/C and Visa have this issue to an extent but they cannot roll back an entire public ledger for as far back as they want to go.  Also, they are already entrenched where crypto is just getting a foothold.

Fungibility is extremely important.  Trust is extremely important.  Confidence is extremely important.  This is not a Vericoin problem.  This is a digital currency problem.  This affects the entire cryptosphere. This is now our problem.

I am converting all my holdings to BTC and hoping that it will weather the storm.  If it begins to take a hit back to fiat I go.  It sucks but the bed has been made now.  Not being chicken little here, just being objective and safe with my investments.

So far it is just a VRC problem. No other crypto has done this yet.

You are so active in this thread that I certainly got your point by now, but what are you try to achieve with your endless comments? Are you in a mission to save the world from the devil VeriCoin developers (2 PhD scientists + one MS developer so not exactly the archeo type of scammers but think whatever you want) or  are you just a troll with lots of free time to spend with meaningless conversations?

[smoothie]

Like many others, I have a lot of Veri on Mint. The only reason its there, like everyone else, is to trade. No one uses Veri, so a rollback was feasible.

But it might have just fucked crypto in general.

What do you mean, you can rollback Bitcoin? That's what every government around the world will be told. That's what every bank is going to spell out as to why they won't allow crypto.

As soon as possible, I'm dumping my entire holding.

Stupid fucking decision.

Bye, where 1 crypto purist leaves, VeriCoin will take in many more mainstream people who wanted to be a part of the blockchain for years, but they could never get comfetorable with all the theft, not the whole centralized, decentralized BS that the purists think is nessisary for survival.

There is a reason bitcoin isn't growing as fast as it could. The purists hold it back trying to make it be something that it doesn't have to be to satisfy there agenda.

VeriCoin just created value for other people who once shied away from crypto due to people demanding that crypto are overcomplicated, and vulnerable.

VeriCoin proved there is a better way and the select few are mad? VeriCoin used the technology to avoid theft and secure its network, and this was bad?

Its irresposible to not use the resources at your disposal the technology allows, ONLY to cater to criminals, and purists. You see how they are close in the same? These people with computer skills want to keep it pure, so that they can control the power for the small %. As crypto grows more mainstream the computer geeks will lose more and more of the power they have. Scared much? VeriCoin proves that if your team is dilligent enough, and cares about its community that things can be done using the technology to strengthen a community and move forward a technology.

The federal reserve and businesses like paypal have those resources that their "technology" allows.

Go use their system right? lol....what's the difference?