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July 15, 2014, 05:23:52 PM
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and just like that I hate him again

You hate too easy. Well, actually you mostly hate everything that disagrees with your extremely narrow perceptions. Ignorance and lack of maturity, evidently.

Chosen ignorance, for the most part, in your specific case.

Way too old for your proverbial "wall-to-wall counseling", so I'd let you just be.

extremely narrow perceptions eh, nah I just hate liars, thieves, and manipulators. unfortunately that sums up about half of the crypto population at this point in time which, while sad, is unequivocally true.  

I love how YOU one of the WORST liars and manipulators in our crypto world are trying to lecture ME. HAH! by the way was it your ass on the firing line asshole? did YOU sacrifice 6 years of your life, your marriage (to be fair it woulda died anyway she was a slut), your social life, and have to watch buddies die? No? I DIDN'T FUCKING THINK SO. So yes I actually EARNED the RIGHT to hate who and what I want for whatever reasons I want, it's just disgusting that I did all of that so assholes like you get to sit at home behind your little keyboard and get rich off of scamming and manipulating your crypto brethren.  We have a saying in the military for what happens to shitbags like you, it's called blue-on-blue.

As usual, Will, you don't have the slightest idea what you are talking about or, more precisely, who you are talking too. But nothing can be done about chosen ignorance or raw stupidity.

And please spare people here more details of your personal life,  the stupidities that you post every half an hour are pathetic enough.

awww I love you too IE, and who you are? LOLOL like you are supposed to scare me? c'mon try harder, theres been bigger men than you with much bigger guns than you have threaten me and guess what, I'm still here. I would LOVE for you to come see me and back up your thinly veiled threats, but no you won't cause all you are is talk I put up where I live so come and see me if you are such a billy badass.

Well that's precisely the point, numbnuts, that I am not even remotely who you choose to think I am. As for IE, I don't believe he would be interested in your "wall-to-wall counseling" either, he doesn't seem to be physically framed that way, but I wouldn't know. You see, IE is as far away from me, both racially, physically and philosophically as one can be ... withing the US. And yet, you choose to believe, numbnuts that you are, that we are the same person. Oh well, ask me if I give a fuck.

Or anyone else, for that matter.
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July 15, 2014, 05:33:31 PM
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PRICE IS FALLING

I know fan boys would find all kinds of excuses, of course, when, in reality, it is a simple logical -and I'd say temporarily at least, inevitable reaction-, but the truth is clear: Price is falling significantly in Bittrex. Currently around 32k which is roughly 22% from where it was before trading was initially halted. And, as far as Bittrex goes, or quite high volume during the last 24 hours.

I would imagine that a lot of people is wanting out right now for two reasons: One, to stay away and protect their investments until the smoke clears out and Two, because even if they still believe in VRC, as most do, they expect to have the opportunity to buy back in cheaper. It is absolutely normal and, again, I'd say inevitable.

Longer term? I am quite sure VRC will greatly benefit from the events we have just lived through and the mainstream reaction will start to be hinted at after the coming Chicago show over the weekend.

It would be quite nice if a hangout could be organized BEFORE the weekend to clear the air for the community as soon as possible, though. I hope it will happen.
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July 15, 2014, 05:38:58 PM
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More than 13 millon coins staking, omg.

omg as in "worrysome" or omg as in "good" (assuming you meant MILLION, not "millon", of course...?

That's half the float... MP alone has another 8 million -as we have painfully just found out, so that leaves only another 4 million and change for the other exchanges and for actual USE...

I'd say "worrysome" applies more than anything, what do you think?

I wouldn't call it worrisome at all. The fact that there are 13 million staked coins implies that there are quite a few other coins that are currently maturing for staking (or on cooldown). In my own case, at this very moment, only about 1/10th of my coins are staking while the rest are on cooldown. Add in all of those extra coins and the number of coins that have been committed to staking is pretty impressive.

MintPal is currently down to about 6 million from the original 8 million.

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I need some clarification on something please......  In my wallet, I have two addresses total.  The first address (VGiycsx1phY9ekeMNbzCHpY2TtXAzNGd4C) had just over 28k coins in it.  Second address (VRzsNTFi2bitgQ5fu96tB1ihFrfAxtJPox) had only 3.44 coins in it. So, I tried to transfer the 3.44 coins from (VRzsNTFi2bitgQ5fu96tB1ihFrfAxtJPox) to (VGiycsx1phY9ekeMNbzCHpY2TtXAzNGd4C) so all my coins would be under one address.  What happened though is what I don't quite understand.  Fyi, I'm using Chainz to track this. Looks like the 3.44 coins stayed in the same address, but 1096 coins went to (VF9S9seoip7jvZfeDbj5P1kyNAiUG89bvd) which is an address that I don't have in my wallet. My balance, from within the wallet, isn't showing that I'm missing 1096 coins but Chainz is showing them in the new address (VF9S9seoip7jvZfeDbj5P1kyNAiUG89bvd).  Why did this happen and did these 1096 coins just go somewhere they can't be retrieved?  This fork thing has made me want to dig a little deeper into understanding all of this.  Any explanation would be greatly appreciated.

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July 15, 2014, 05:51:53 PM
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I need some clarification on something please......  In my wallet, I have two addresses total.  The first address (VGiycsx1phY9ekeMNbzCHpY2TtXAzNGd4C) had just over 28k coins in it.  Second address (VRzsNTFi2bitgQ5fu96tB1ihFrfAxtJPox) had only 3.44 coins in it. So, I tried to transfer the 3.44 coins from (VRzsNTFi2bitgQ5fu96tB1ihFrfAxtJPox) to (VGiycsx1phY9ekeMNbzCHpY2TtXAzNGd4C) so all my coins would be under one address.  What happened though is what I don't quite understand.  Fyi, I'm using Chainz to track this. Looks like the 3.44 coins stayed in the same address, but 1096 coins went to (VF9S9seoip7jvZfeDbj5P1kyNAiUG89bvd) which is an address that I don't have in my wallet. My balance, from within the wallet, isn't showing that I'm missing 1096 coins but Chainz is showing them in the new address (VF9S9seoip7jvZfeDbj5P1kyNAiUG89bvd).  Why did this happen and did these 1096 coins just go somewhere they can't be retrieved?  This fork thing has made me want to dig a little deeper into understanding all of this.  Any explanation would be greatly appreciated.

those coins you see passing by your adress arnt you coins.
I doesnt have to do anything with the hardfork its more like how the blockchainz works.

What you see there is summery of the coin flow and the calculation of the Blockchain because at the end of every block you will still have the legit amount of coins point on your wallet.

Edit: pls correct me if iam wrong i am not an expert!

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July 15, 2014, 05:53:53 PM
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More than 13 millon coins staking, omg.

omg as in "worrysome" or omg as in "good" (assuming you meant MILLION, not "millon", of course...?

That's half the float... MP alone has another 8 million -as we have painfully just found out, so that leaves only another 4 million and change for the other exchanges and for actual USE...

I'd say "worrysome" applies more than anything, what do you think?

I wouldn't call it worrisome at all. The fact that there are 13 million staked coins implies that there are quite a few other coins that are currently maturing for staking (or on cooldown). In my own case, at this very moment, only about 1/10th of my coins are staking while the rest are on cooldown. Add in all of those extra coins and the number of coins that have been committed to staking is pretty impressive.

MintPal is currently down to about 6 million from the original 8 million.

I don't think you got my meaning at all... I find worrysome that SO MANY coins are in fact staking already, not to mention the many more that are in cool down status. VRC, in order to be successful, has to be widely available for trading and for purchasing of goods. Staking is hoarding and would signal, if in excessive amounts (and those 13 million plus the cooling down ones ARE excessive) to total lack of liquidity... which would be extraordinarily worrysome.

I hope that number decreases very quickly and full liquidity returns to the trading markets and the availability for purchasing when VRC returns to normal.
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July 15, 2014, 05:56:28 PM
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PRICE IS FALLING

I know fan boys would find all kinds of excuses, of course, when, in reality, it is a simple logical -and I'd say temporarily at least, inevitable reaction-, but the truth is clear: Price is falling significantly in Bittrex. Currently around 32k which is roughly 22% from where it was before trading was initially halted. And, as far as Bittrex goes, or quite high volume during the last 24 hours.

I would imagine that a lot of people is wanting out right now for two reasons: One, to stay away and protect their investments until the smoke clears out and Two, because even if they still believe in VRC, as most do, they expect to have the opportunity to buy back in cheaper. It is absolutely normal and, again, I'd say inevitable.

Longer term? I am quite sure VRC will greatly benefit from the events we have just lived through and the mainstream reaction will start to be hinted at after the coming Chicago show over the weekend.

It would be quite nice if a hangout could be organized BEFORE the weekend to clear the air for the community as soon as possible, though. I hope it will happen.

Actually, I'm surprised that the price has stayed in the 30s. I expected a more significant drop in price and then a recovery.

The hangout is scheduled for tonight at 10pm Eastern time.

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July 15, 2014, 05:58:23 PM
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I need some clarification on something please......  In my wallet, I have two addresses total.  The first address (VGiycsx1phY9ekeMNbzCHpY2TtXAzNGd4C) had just over 28k coins in it.  Second address (VRzsNTFi2bitgQ5fu96tB1ihFrfAxtJPox) had only 3.44 coins in it. So, I tried to transfer the 3.44 coins from (VRzsNTFi2bitgQ5fu96tB1ihFrfAxtJPox) to (VGiycsx1phY9ekeMNbzCHpY2TtXAzNGd4C) so all my coins would be under one address.  What happened though is what I don't quite understand.  Fyi, I'm using Chainz to track this. Looks like the 3.44 coins stayed in the same address, but 1096 coins went to (VF9S9seoip7jvZfeDbj5P1kyNAiUG89bvd) which is an address that I don't have in my wallet. My balance, from within the wallet, isn't showing that I'm missing 1096 coins but Chainz is showing them in the new address (VF9S9seoip7jvZfeDbj5P1kyNAiUG89bvd).  Why did this happen and did these 1096 coins just go somewhere they can't be retrieved?  This fork thing has made me want to dig a little deeper into understanding all of this.  Any explanation would be greatly appreciated.

those coins you see passing by your adress arnt you coins.
I doesnt have to do anything with the hardfork its more like how the blockchainz works.

What you see there is summery of the coin flow and the calculation of the Blockchain because at the end of every block you will still have the legit amount of coins point on your wallet.

Edit: pls correct me if iam wrong i am not an expert!

There are 1096 coins missing from my address (VGiycsx1phY9ekeMNbzCHpY2TtXAzNGd4C) on Chainz though.  28k coins has turned into 26917 coins, looking at Chainz

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July 15, 2014, 06:02:12 PM
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PRICE IS FALLING

I know fan boys would find all kinds of excuses, of course, when, in reality, it is a simple logical -and I'd say temporarily at least, inevitable reaction-, but the truth is clear: Price is falling significantly in Bittrex. Currently around 32k which is roughly 22% from where it was before trading was initially halted. And, as far as Bittrex goes, or quite high volume during the last 24 hours.

I would imagine that a lot of people is wanting out right now for two reasons: One, to stay away and protect their investments until the smoke clears out and Two, because even if they still believe in VRC, as most do, they expect to have the opportunity to buy back in cheaper. It is absolutely normal and, again, I'd say inevitable.

Longer term? I am quite sure VRC will greatly benefit from the events we have just lived through and the mainstream reaction will start to be hinted at after the coming Chicago show over the weekend.

It would be quite nice if a hangout could be organized BEFORE the weekend to clear the air for the community as soon as possible, though. I hope it will happen.

Actually, I'm surprised that the price has stayed in the 30s. I expected a more significant drop in price and then a recovery.

The hangout is scheduled for tonight at 10pm Eastern time.

Thank you for the info on the hangout.

I believe the more significant drop will happen when the scared shitless traders get their coins back from MintPal. That would be the logical initial reaction, I think.
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Just noticed 5 million+ vrc was transferred a few blocks back, hope someone hasn't been hacked into again. Sad

That's down from 8M. It's Mintpal's coins they are distributing back to the owners now. Go backwards through the chain and you can see them distributing it.
I would like to give a big thank you to the VRC Dev team and the Dogecoin guy for so brilliantly making things right.  You guys not only saved Mintpal and everyone who had any type of crypto on that exchange but you also saved Vericoin from a 51% attack that would have assuredly killed the coin.  And I don't think you should even say that you will never do this again.  I think every criminal thief out there will think twice about stealing Vericoins now, because now we have proven that justice can be served in crypto.  Next we just have to get a better way of catching the criminals and sending them to jail too.  Smiley

p.s. Everyone please keep moving your coins off Mint and into your wallet.  Learn the practice of only putting your coins on an exchange for a few minutes when you need to exchange them.  Then right back to your wallet.  This will reduce your odds of getting MintGox'd by atleast 1000X.  It will also at the same time reduce the chances of the exchange getting targeted in the first place and will secure the entire Vericoin network from anyone planning a 51% attack.  Think of it as your duty.
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July 15, 2014, 06:04:47 PM
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PRICE IS FALLING

I know fan boys would find all kinds of excuses, of course, when, in reality, it is a simple logical -and I'd say temporarily at least, inevitable reaction-, but the truth is clear: Price is falling significantly in Bittrex. Currently around 32k which is roughly 22% from where it was before trading was initially halted. And, as far as Bittrex goes, or quite high volume during the last 24 hours.

I would imagine that a lot of people is wanting out right now for two reasons: One, to stay away and protect their investments until the smoke clears out and Two, because even if they still believe in VRC, as most do, they expect to have the opportunity to buy back in cheaper. It is absolutely normal and, again, I'd say inevitable.

Longer term? I am quite sure VRC will greatly benefit from the events we have just lived through and the mainstream reaction will start to be hinted at after the coming Chicago show over the weekend.

It would be quite nice if a hangout could be organized BEFORE the weekend to clear the air for the community as soon as possible, though. I hope it will happen.

Actually, I'm surprised that the price has stayed in the 30s. I expected a more significant drop in price and then a recovery.

The hangout is scheduled for tonight at 10pm Eastern time.

Thank you for the info on the hangout.

I believe the more significant drop will happen when the scared shitless traders get their coins back from MintPal. That would be the logical initial reaction, I think.

You might be right. It's going to be interesting.

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mintpal will re-adding vrc ?
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July 15, 2014, 06:07:21 PM
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I don't think you got my meaning at all... I find worrysome that SO MANY coins are in fact staking already, not to mention the many more that are in cool down status. VRC, in order to be successful, has to be widely available for trading and for purchasing of goods. Staking is hoarding and would signal, if in excessive amounts (and those 13 million plus the cooling down ones ARE excessive) to total lack of liquidity... which would be extraordinarily worrysome.

I hope that number decreases very quickly and full liquidity returns to the trading markets and the availability for purchasing when VRC returns to normal.

Ahhh, I understand. With English not being your native language, your posts are sometimes hard to follow. I get where you're coming from now, however.

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I don't think you got my meaning at all... I find worrysome that SO MANY coins are in fact staking already, not to mention the many more that are in cool down status. VRC, in order to be successful, has to be widely available for trading and for purchasing of goods. Staking is hoarding and would signal, if in excessive amounts (and those 13 million plus the cooling down ones ARE excessive) to total lack of liquidity... which would be extraordinarily worrysome.

I hope that number decreases very quickly and full liquidity returns to the trading markets and the availability for purchasing when VRC returns to normal.

Ahhh, I understand. With English not being your native language, your posts are sometimes hard to follow. I get where you're coming from now, however.
barabbas, very high staking amounts would only be worrisome for someone who is not in Vericoin and wants to come in with alot of money.  High stake amounts create a price effect similar to a low float stock like Tesla motors.  Since not many Vericoin owners are willing to sell shares, the only variable that can adjust is the price, which is upwards.  So if you want to buy lots of Vericoin and you are worried that the staking is moving up too fast even before all the MintGox coins come out, then you might want to consider loading up on your Vericoin position now.  Just my advice.

A tremendously high staking level combined with good developments from the conference could cause the price to increase very rapidly and strongly upwards.  Yet another reason EVERYONE SHOULD BE STAKING ALL THEIR COINS ALL THE TIME.  Plus it secures the network against 51% attacks.
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That said, this is just my opinion. There's no rule or law that says you can't do this. But if the US starts to regulate cryptocurrency as real currencies, I'm positive they will view this action as illegal. Right now, developers can claim that they are working on software and not creating money and that the money is creation is decentralized. Once you start making monetary policy decisions with your coin, you can no longer make that claim.

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July 15, 2014, 06:26:21 PM
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Would ask that question in the vericoin chat channel, might get some help.

Nope, no response.  However it looks as if my coin was in PoS mode at the time of the blockchain stoppage and was awating full confirmation at the time, it had had 29 responses before the blockchain stopped updating on 1.3.1.

I will leave it running a while and see if it corrects itself. 

Anyone know where the coins actually go when in PoS mode?

It could have gone anywhere?

Oh, I hope that they aren't now stuck in the other blockchain now before they rolled it back.

Wonder how many other people this happened to.

Might not have got any response in the chatroom as the Devs are probably asleep, probably been up half the night sorting things out.
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I don't think you got my meaning at all... I find worrysome that SO MANY coins are in fact staking already, not to mention the many more that are in cool down status. VRC, in order to be successful, has to be widely available for trading and for purchasing of goods. Staking is hoarding and would signal, if in excessive amounts (and those 13 million plus the cooling down ones ARE excessive) to total lack of liquidity... which would be extraordinarily worrysome.

I hope that number decreases very quickly and full liquidity returns to the trading markets and the availability for purchasing when VRC returns to normal.

Ahhh, I understand. With English not being your native language, your posts are sometimes hard to follow. I get where you're coming from now, however.
barabbas, very high staking amounts would only be worrisome for someone who is not in Vericoin and wants to come in with alot of money.  High stake amounts create a price effect similar to a low float stock like Tesla motors.  Since not many Vericoin owners are willing to sell shares, the only variable that can adjust is the price, which is upwards.  So if you want to buy lots of Vericoin and you are worried that the staking is moving up too fast even before all the MintGox coins come out, then you might want to consider loading up on your Vericoin position now.  Just my advice.

A tremendously high staking level combined with good developments from the conference could cause the price to increase very rapidly and strongly upwards.  Yet another reason EVERYONE SHOULD BE STAKING ALL THEIR COINS ALL THE TIME.  Plus it secures the network against 51% attacks.

I understand your focus on the price. But I believe you may be quite wrong in your current assessment. If you take a look at the books at Bittrex, where all the volume is right now, you will see very big amounts of VRC available for purchase... and practically no bids of significance. This doesn't mean there are no buyers, they are, they simply don't make significant bids and buy at the ask.

But This has nothing to do with me personally, I already own some VRC and don't want to purchase any more for now. This has to do with the fact that hoarding of coins is a NEGATIVE for the coin, not a positive, regardless of the effect on the price.

Now, considering that -in my opinion- the Black Hand controls 4.5 million coins at least, the network needs significantly more than 13 million coins staking to be relatively secure... but that is entirely another subject.
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I don't think you got my meaning at all... I find worrysome that SO MANY coins are in fact staking already, not to mention the many more that are in cool down status. VRC, in order to be successful, has to be widely available for trading and for purchasing of goods. Staking is hoarding and would signal, if in excessive amounts (and those 13 million plus the cooling down ones ARE excessive) to total lack of liquidity... which would be extraordinarily worrysome.

I hope that number decreases very quickly and full liquidity returns to the trading markets and the availability for purchasing when VRC returns to normal.

Ahhh, I understand. With English not being your native language, your posts are sometimes hard to follow. I get where you're coming from now, however.
barabbas, very high staking amounts would only be worrisome for someone who is not in Vericoin and wants to come in with alot of money.  High stake amounts create a price effect similar to a low float stock like Tesla motors.  Since not many Vericoin owners are willing to sell shares, the only variable that can adjust is the price, which is upwards.  So if you want to buy lots of Vericoin and you are worried that the staking is moving up too fast even before all the MintGox coins come out, then you might want to consider loading up on your Vericoin position now.  Just my advice.

A tremendously high staking level combined with good developments from the conference could cause the price to increase very rapidly and strongly upwards.  Yet another reason EVERYONE SHOULD BE STAKING ALL THEIR COINS ALL THE TIME.  Plus it secures the network against 51% attacks.

I understand your focus on the price. But I believe you may be quite wrong in your current assessment. If you take a look at the books at Bittrex, where all the volume is right now, you will see very big amounts of VRC available for purchase... and practically no bids of significance. This doesn't mean there are no buyers, they are, they simply don't make significant bids and buy at the ask.

But This has nothing to do with me personally, I already own some VRC and don't want to purchase any more for now. This has to do with the fact that hoarding of coins is a NEGATIVE for the coin, not a positive, regardless of the effect on the price.

Now, considering that -in my opinion- the Black Hand controls 4.5 million coins at least, the network needs significantly more than 13 million coins staking to be relatively secure... but that is entirely another subject.
We are moving to an economics discussion and while some like to believe that "hoarding" hurts a coin, i just don't think that it is ever an issue.  More like just  a talking point.  

For example, India hoards gold and that has been positive for Gold's longevity as a store of value and it's price.  Debeers "hoards" Diamonds and they have for multiple generations maintained an extremely high price for something that many would see as a worthless rock that isn't even rare.......all due to the effect of reducing the supply to the market.  OPEC hoards OIL......CEO's have locked up supplies of shares by owning a high percentage of shares and not selling so the price adjusts higher to those who are willing to sell at that higher price.  Believe me, even with EVERYONE STAKING, as the price of Vericoin goes higher, people will still sell as they see fit.  Given how we know there are those bent on hurting Vericoin and how close we all came to getting 51% attacked....I think everyone should be staking all their coins simply to protect the coin.  Drying up the selling supply is always good and it worked extremely well for Darkcoin as well.  The amount of examples of smart men reducing supply to increase value throughout history is endless.

Lastly, we all have Veribit for Pete's sake.  We can all spend our Vericoins as BTC right from our staking wallet!  We have no need to send to an exchange to convert to BTC then send back to a BTC wallet before buying something.  JUST BUY WHEN YOU WANT TO DIRECTLY FROM YOUR STAKING WALLET.  There is no excuse for not staking all the coins.  Plus you earn more interest.  It's a no brainer.
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July 15, 2014, 06:38:48 PM
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mintpal will re-adding vrc ?

I hope not...i lost my faith in MP. But it will come back i guess.

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Wind your neck in "truth4crypto"

same goes for you "buy4crypto"

Since I assume you're the same person.

WHAT? excuse me? I don't have 1 other alias, I am a firm supporter of this community. I am not going to go make up anything. I only speak truth. Sorry if you think I am someone else. I am me, and thats IT.

So this is your true colors. I didn't directly attack you at any point. I made a vague statement and you assumed it was an attack on you because I mentioned that a gambling site isn't a service to the community. I personally messaged you and appologized for the mistake. It probably was rude. But I handled that in private. You go accusing me in a public forum of something as outlandish as that? ARE YOU SERIOUS??? No respect for you anymore. AT ALL Leckey. No wonder your pushing your gamblin site all over, scumbag

I'm waiting for you LECKEY to private message me... AND to say something in public since your accusation to clarify why you chose to slander me out of all the random people who could make a alias with 0 activity? What was the true purpose of slandering me?

So everyone is clear. I have no reason to make alias's. This is the only bitcointalk forum ID I have / use. Thats not a clever way to word it incase somehow I mispoke. I have 1 account here in this forum and this is it.

This is a clear attack on my reputation. If you know who leckey is I am sure you understand my concern. TY for clearing this up... SOON before FUD gets started.



Or maybe I should start some FUD, Did you make that account LECKEY? You where quick to point fingers at me? I REALLY want to know. You seemed mad about the way the developers handled things, Probably because you had a lot of micro bets on your GAMBLING site. So you make up a fake account to cause FUD?

If you have a network of gambling sites. I see how this could set a bad precedent for you. Maybe you had motivation to do that. Sounds logical.

Regardless of whether or not you two are or aren't the same person. It's irrelevant. I told you to wind your neck in. Which you obviously still need to heed.
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