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July 14, 2014, 08:23:07 AM
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I'm not sure how trying to ask a valid question in an adult manner equates to crying like a baby. Please, stop the personal attacks and actually explain how the rollback is not damaging to crypto.

Perhaps you must ask yourself why doing nothing is better for crypto? VRC devs are devoted to bring an all time mass coin to the public. The same public demands some security and safety to all the related scam messages around crypto. Devs did a 3 month development of the coin and that all would be destroyed with one single hack which isn't the fault of VRC devs after all. If they do nothing, the hack will destroy the trust. Not only in VRC, but also in other crypto coins. If they do something, the price will drop, but VRC has a strong community which are buying all those coins up and bring back the coin where it was.

Trust is the main goal of crypto. Not decentralization or a volatile price. Simply trust.

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July 14, 2014, 08:23:33 AM
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Anyway VRC showed us its strenght today , despite all Monkey-fudders . we trust vrc dev today more than ever Smiley


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July 14, 2014, 08:24:55 AM
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what if mintpal is lying and there was no hack?

coinex did the same. Maybe gox too.

Let them get away with it. Believe what you are told. Think, people, think!
And what exactly will Mintpal gain !? Actually how can Mintpal become more safe HuhHuh
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July 14, 2014, 08:28:44 AM
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what if mintpal is lying and there was no hack?

coinex did the same. Maybe gox too.

Let them get away with it. Believe what you are told. Think, people, think!
And what exactly will Mintpal gain !? Actually how can Mintpal become more safe HuhHuh

Mintpal can be more safe by putting their coin in cold storage . But from this attack , no one will ever trust an exchange and put his coin on it . i've been here for 18 hours now (i know = i'm a vampire = i not sleep too much) , i saw all kind of FUDDERS , Blackshitcoin fudders , BITRTREX fudders (please come to bittrex) , i've seen antonium dev coming here to insult the comunnity = i told him to put his anton-d..ck in in anton....us ....etc Crazy = THEY are all afraid with VRC = they seen vrc growing sooooo fast


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July 14, 2014, 08:29:04 AM
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I'm not sure how trying to ask a valid question in an adult manner equates to crying like a baby. Please, stop the personal attacks and actually explain how the rollback is not damaging to crypto.

Perhaps you must ask yourself why doing nothing is better for crypto? VRC devs are devoted to bring an all time mass coin to the public. The same public demands some security and safety to all the related scam messages around crypto. Devs did a 3 month development of the coin and that all would be destroyed with one single hack which isn't the fault of VRC devs after all. If they do nothing, the hack will destroy the trust. Not only in VRC, but also in other crypto coins. If they do something, the price will drop, but VRC has a strong community which are buying all those coins up and bring back the coin where it was.

Trust is the main goal of crypto. Not decentralization or a volatile price. Simply trust.

Well thank you for an intelligent reply. The rest of the community would do well to look at this as an example instead of pages of personal attacks and ignores. I can't say I fully agree with you but still, this was at least something close to what I was asking for.
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July 14, 2014, 08:29:39 AM
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this will be one big shit storm,
most likely mintpals own fuckup we all know they are untrusted and fake volume,
I dare say they just fucked up with internal coin sending.

If this is rolled back or hard forked all faith is lost....
I repeat make mintpal pay for there own negligence from there own pockets!!

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July 14, 2014, 08:30:39 AM
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this shit is maybe just one giant social experiment.
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July 14, 2014, 08:33:36 AM
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Ok... seriously now people... this doesn't hurt crypto, and nor would no action.  It hurts VRC.

But, VRC is effectively dead in the water now, because the blockchain ledger can't be trusted.  And if you can't trust the ledger to not have mass blocks orphaned, the coin is as useful as dirt.



The most plausible explanation for today's events:
- MintPal fucked up with offline wallets or something similar
- MintPal lost access to or the private keys for the coins
- MintPal claims a hack with no proof
- "Stolen" coins just sit there, unmoved... ya right, they weren't stolen, they were lost.
- VRC devs come to MintPal's aid, alienate the intelegent parts of the crypto community, but somewhat save MintPal's face.

Later:
- VRC blockchain can't be trusted.
- VRC buy volume sinks to nothing.
- VRC network crumbles and slowly fades away.
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July 14, 2014, 08:34:09 AM
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I'm not sure how trying to ask a valid question in an adult manner equates to crying like a baby. Please, stop the personal attacks and actually explain how the rollback is not damaging to crypto.

Perhaps you must ask yourself why doing nothing is better for crypto? VRC devs are devoted to bring an all time mass coin to the public. The same public demands some security and safety to all the related scam messages around crypto. Devs did a 3 month development of the coin and that all would be destroyed with one single hack which isn't the fault of VRC devs after all. If they do nothing, the hack will destroy the trust. Not only in VRC, but also in other crypto coins. If they do something, the price will drop, but VRC has a strong community which are buying all those coins up and bring back the coin where it was.

Trust is the main goal of crypto. Not decentralization or a volatile price. Simply trust.

And all that trust is now lost. They should have noticed that mintpal had a hot wallet containing all those coins and should have had the investors pull coins off the site. They could have prevented this but they did not. Now they rollback and think all will be forgotten. Think again. This will be all over the press by tomorrow end of day.

Price will tank to ATL and wither away and die slowly.
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July 14, 2014, 08:34:46 AM
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This is mintpal update not the first one :

https://support.mintpal.com/index.php?module=announce&sec=view&id=18


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July 14, 2014, 08:35:34 AM
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Ok... seriously now people... this doesn't hurt crypto, and nor would no action.  It hurts VRC.

But, VRC is effectively dead in the water now, because the blockchain ledger can't be trusted.  And if you can't trust the ledger to not have mass blocks orphaned, the coin is as useful as dirt.

It hurts crypto because it sets a precedent. If VRC does recover from this then rolling back the blokchain becomes a valid course of action, and that road does not lead to good places.
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July 14, 2014, 08:39:56 AM
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Price will tank to ATL and wither away and die slowly.

But you talk shit all the time, so i guess this message is also shit.

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July 14, 2014, 08:40:10 AM
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Ok... seriously now people... this doesn't hurt crypto, and nor would no action.  It hurts VRC.

But, VRC is effectively dead in the water now, because the blockchain ledger can't be trusted.  And if you can't trust the ledger to not have mass blocks orphaned, the coin is as useful as dirt.

It hurts crypto because it sets a precedent. If VRC does recover from this then rolling back the blokchain becomes a valid course of action, and that road does not lead to good places.
Hardly... real networks are never going to rollback the blockchain for external non-technical reasons.  Propose this kind of action for BTC or LTC - the community would laugh for ages.

This simply proves that these infant clone coins cannot be trusted.

VRC - It's like paypal... your coins might get charged-back anytime at the an an exchange's whim!
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July 14, 2014, 08:40:56 AM
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Ok... seriously now people... this doesn't hurt crypto, and nor would no action.  It hurts VRC.

But, VRC is effectively dead in the water now, because the blockchain ledger can't be trusted.  And if you can't trust the ledger to not have mass blocks orphaned, the coin is as useful as dirt.

It hurts crypto because it sets a precedent. If VRC does recover from this then rolling back the blokchain becomes a valid course of action, and that road does not lead to good places.

Or VRC simply becomes a pariah in the crypto community for having done such an irresponsible and short-sighted thing.

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July 14, 2014, 08:41:25 AM
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I've just caught up with the forum threads and not sure that an average person/investor would have the time to go through all the arguments of the hard fork posted here.

If in any case, they would be reading up the official statements from the Vericoin Developers here:
http://www.vericoin.info/downloads/Statement.pdf

And the official statements from the Mintpal Exchange here:
https://support.mintpal.com/index.php?module=announce&sec=view&id=17

What an average person would probably pick up from this would be:
1. Mintpal's security has been breached and hacked, hence less trust & extra caution to use them in the future
2. Vericoin's developers have stepped up to help protect the coin as well as it's community and investors
3. Rules are made to be broken, and it's up to whether you would prefer Batman (one who breaks rules and steps up to do the right thing) or the Cold Ruthless Law that states that there is nothing that can be done against a theft as it is against all principles of how a crypto should be.

Common sense with the right morals/survival mindset > Cold-hard principles/rules

Just my sharing.
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July 14, 2014, 08:41:51 AM
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Funny how vested interest turns Crytpo into some kind of religion for some people.  

You can't even make one little critique without being accused for blasphemy (FUD).    Roll Eyes

If you really believe in VRC long term, you should be encouraging FUD so you can pick up more in the 0.0001's.  Shocked
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July 14, 2014, 08:42:19 AM
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Ok... seriously now people... this doesn't hurt crypto, and nor would no action.  It hurts VRC.

But, VRC is effectively dead in the water now, because the blockchain ledger can't be trusted.  And if you can't trust the ledger to not have mass blocks orphaned, the coin is as useful as dirt.

It hurts crypto because it sets a precedent. If VRC does recover from this then rolling back the blokchain becomes a valid course of action, and that road does not lead to good places.

Or VRC simply becomes a pariah in the crypto community for having done such an irresponsible and short-sighted thing.
This.  Bingo.  Exactly.
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July 14, 2014, 08:42:25 AM
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Price will tank to ATL and wither away and die slowly.

But you talk shit all the time, so i guess this message is also shit.

Why dont you look back at my post history before running your mouth. Each coin I proclaimed dead is either dead or dying.. All of them!
DCM EMC2 Harmony Crypt ect...

It's not talking shit if it's true.. you understand this right!
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July 14, 2014, 08:43:41 AM
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Ok... seriously now people... this doesn't hurt crypto, and nor would no action.  It hurts VRC.

But, VRC is effectively dead in the water now, because the blockchain ledger can't be trusted.  And if you can't trust the ledger to not have mass blocks orphaned, the coin is as useful as dirt.

It hurts crypto because it sets a precedent. If VRC does recover from this then rolling back the blokchain becomes a valid course of action, and that road does not lead to good places.

Or VRC simply becomes a pariah in the crypto community for having done such an irresponsible and short-sighted thing.

Not only VRC, the devs and maybe even mintpal. A lot of people put their reps on this!
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July 14, 2014, 08:44:58 AM
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Ok... seriously now people... this doesn't hurt crypto, and nor would no action.  It hurts VRC.

But, VRC is effectively dead in the water now, because the blockchain ledger can't be trusted.  And if you can't trust the ledger to not have mass blocks orphaned, the coin is as useful as dirt.



The most plausible explanation for today's events:
- MintPal fucked up with offline wallets or something similar
- MintPal lost access to or the private keys for the coins
- MintPal claims a hack with no proof
- "Stolen" coins just sit there, unmoved... ya right, they weren't stolen, they were lost.
- VRC devs come to MintPal's aid, alienate the intelegent parts of the crypto community, but somewhat save MintPal's face.

Later:
- VRC blockchain can't be trusted.
- VRC buy volume sinks to nothing.
- VRC network crumbles and slowly fades away.

Good theories.  

If the coins are stolen, they could be dumped anytime and I would grudgingly agree with a fork.  

If the private keys are indeed lost, this is a + for VRC and makes it even more scarce and I would disagree with a fork.

We need some proof of coins being stolen.
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