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Author Topic: [ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin"  (Read 1149911 times)
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May 20, 2015, 05:49:53 PM
Last edit: May 20, 2015, 07:18:24 PM by dooglus
 #3021

http://www.blocktree.io/images/tree_2_small.png

CLAMS has been added to blocktree.io block explorer

http://www.blocktree.io/e/CLAM

Rich List: http://www.blocktree.io/richlist/CLAM

Donations Welcome to:

xKKcMtFTnfZwggUWoL3eZ3d3groVwqqRn8


That's great, thanks! I've been waiting for a reliable CLAM block explorer, and this looks like it might fit the bill.

Please accept a token of our gratitude from JD.

I just noticed you don't display the "CLAMspeech" data that is part of each transaction, and also don't seem to show unconfirmed transactions. Neither is a big deal, but both would be useful additions.

Edit: one other wrinkle maybe worth noting is that the "money supply" is kind of weird for CLAM. Millions of addresses were given 4.6 CLAM each in the initial distribution, and most of them have never transacted since. While those are part of the money supply in some sense it's probably more interesting to only consider coins that have at some point been active.

The "getinfo" RPC call includes these lines:

    "moneysupply" : 15145821.13048927,
    "digsupply" : 317403.40414506,
    "stakesupply" : 371419.72641731,
    "activesupply" : 688823.13056237,

"activesupply" is the sum of "digsupply" (all the 4.6 CLAM initial distribution amounts that have ever moved) and "stakesupply" (all the coins created by staking blocks), and is probably a more interesting statistic to use.

Edit2: and since I'm picking nits, it would be useful if the "Summary ... Block Height   475772" on the front page was a link to the latest block. Currently I have to scroll down to the block list before I see any links at all.

Edit3: I hope all this is seen as useful rather than as bitching... but I'd like to be able to click through a chain of transactions. Currently when viewing a transaction the inputs and outputs link to /address/ pages, but it would be more useful to have them link to the pages for the individual transactions they came from / went to. If that was done, there would be no need to show the full txid in text next to each input, since we could just copy the destination URL if we wanted that information, and the page would then fit on my screen without sideways scrolling (some txids take more horizontal space than others, and the longer ones make the whole page a little wider than my screen).

Edit4: The rich-list lists the official burn address (xCLAMBURNXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX1HaxZH) as being the 2nd richest address. The client considers coins at that address to be burned, and doesn't include them in the moneysupply. See src/main.cpp:

Code:
        // check for burned coins (sent to xCLAMBURNXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX1HaxZH)
        BOOST_FOREACH(CTxOut& txout, tx.vout)
            if (HexStr(txout.scriptPubKey.begin(), txout.scriptPubKey.end()) == "76a9142c2a57256197df6a1c7d6f14daccf4c3dcf4de4288ac") {
                LogPrintf("BURN: %s\n", FormatMoney(txout.nValue));
                nValueBurned += txout.nValue;
            }

It would be better not to show that address in the rich-list. They are coins that were left over after the developers did the initial distribution. The address is clearly one that was made up without anyone knowing the private key.

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May 21, 2015, 12:57:35 AM
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I just noticed you don't display the "CLAMspeech" data that is part of each transaction, and also don't seem to show unconfirmed transactions. Neither is a big deal, but both would be useful additions.


The thing is, and this applies to some of your other suggestions also, the explorer is designed to be useable with a number of different coins. As such some of the unique features for a particular coin are not taken into consideration at this stage. I know thats not a perfect solution, bit of a 'fox of all, master of none' situation.


Edit: one other wrinkle maybe worth noting is that the "money supply" is kind of weird for CLAM. Millions of addresses were given 4.6 CLAM each in the initial distribution, and most of them have never transacted since. While those are part of the money supply in some sense it's probably more interesting to only consider coins that have at some point been active.

The "getinfo" RPC call includes these lines:

    "moneysupply" : 15145821.13048927,
    "digsupply" : 317403.40414506,
    "stakesupply" : 371419.72641731,
    "activesupply" : 688823.13056237,

"activesupply" is the sum of "digsupply" (all the 4.6 CLAM initial distribution amounts that have ever moved) and "stakesupply" (all the coins created by staking blocks), and is probably a more interesting statistic to use.


I have now added the burn address which is then taken into consideration when showing the total number of available coins. You can now see 'Spendable Coin Supply'.

I have had a similar discussion with the Sapience community in terms of showing the burn address. My view is that the explorer is simply showing what it sees in the client, without manipulating it too much. I think noting the burn address and number of coins that are not in circulation to be relevant. Again, its somewhat of a one size fits all system, with the possibility to change in the future.


Edit2: and since I'm picking nits, it would be useful if the "Summary ... Block Height   475772" on the front page was a link to the latest block. Currently I have to scroll down to the block list before I see any links at all.


Done.


Edit3: I hope all this is seen as useful rather than as bitching... but I'd like to be able to click through a chain of transactions. Currently when viewing a transaction the inputs and outputs link to /address/ pages, but it would be more useful to have them link to the pages for the individual transactions they came from / went to. If that was done, there would be no need to show the full txid in text next to each input, since we could just copy the destination URL if we wanted that information, and the page would then fit on my screen without sideways scrolling (some txids take more horizontal space than others, and the longer ones make the whole page a little wider than my screen).


No, I am happy to hear suggestions / constructive criticism.

I have now made transactions clickable (linked) for inputs on a transaction page. Obviously this is only relevant for inputs though, as outputs are part of the transaction being viewed.

Would be interested to know what browser and screen size you are using that is causing the txids on the transaction page to push right. In theory, unless on a very small screen, like a phone or something, the design should be responsive and not push right (at least on all my screen it does not push right).


Edit4: The rich-list lists the official burn address (xCLAMBURNXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX1HaxZH) as being the 2nd richest address. The client considers coins at that address to be burned, and doesn't include them in the moneysupply. See src/main.cpp:

Code:
        // check for burned coins (sent to xCLAMBURNXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX1HaxZH)
        BOOST_FOREACH(CTxOut& txout, tx.vout)
            if (HexStr(txout.scriptPubKey.begin(), txout.scriptPubKey.end()) == "76a9142c2a57256197df6a1c7d6f14daccf4c3dcf4de4288ac") {
                LogPrintf("BURN: %s\n", FormatMoney(txout.nValue));
                nValueBurned += txout.nValue;
            }

It would be better not to show that address in the rich-list. They are coins that were left over after the developers did the initial distribution. The address is clearly one that was made up without anyone knowing the private key.

Hmm, upon re-reading your edit 4 I realise that I cannot use my usual system to show 'Spendable Coin Supply' as the client already removes the burnt coins from the coinsupply value (so have reversed that change). Usually if there are burnt coins like with Sapience (http://www.blocktree.io/e/XAI) the system deducts the burn address coins from the money supply, and then on the rich list the burnt coins are shown but without a percentage of total supply and labeled as burn coins. I will have a think about how this can be changed to accommodate the Clam situation better - it really only affects the rich list at the moment though as the client already takes into consideration the burnt coins in the 'moneysupply' value. I am flat out at the moment on another project but when I get some time will find a solution to this.

And lastly, thank you for the generous donation  Smiley
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May 21, 2015, 01:47:03 AM
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Wondering if there are any potential legal issues with a block explorer website displaying arbitrary clamspeech text. I guess this goes for any coin which supports in-transaction comments.
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May 21, 2015, 05:00:39 AM
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I have now made transactions clickable (linked) for inputs on a transaction page. Obviously this is only relevant for inputs though, as outputs are part of the transaction being viewed.

If the outputs are unspent then obviously you can't link them to the transaction that spent them, but for the spent outputs you can. See how blockchain.info does it when you enable 'advanced' mode by clicking somewhere in the lower right corner.

Would be interested to know what browser and screen size you are using that is causing the txids on the transaction page to push right. In theory, unless on a very small screen, like a phone or something, the design should be responsive and not push right (at least on all my screen it does not push right).

It's Chromium v40 on a 1366x768 screen.

I made a new transaction with a view to taking a screenshot for you. When I visit its page, it's blank:



It turns out that's what gets displayed for any unconfirmed or non-existent transaction. I had to wait for it to confirm before it would show up properly, and editing the txid at all made it show the page without details again. Would be better to show an error message I think if you're not going to support unconfirmed transactions.

Once it had confirmed, I see the too-wide page:



I resized the window to see when it would change the layout. I could make it this narrow before things rearranged themselves:



At that point things are overlapping pretty badly.

Wondering if there are any potential legal issues with a block explorer website displaying arbitrary clamspeech text. I guess this goes for any coin which supports in-transaction comments.

People can encode arbitrary messages into addresses, transaction amounts, etc. and have them show up in any block explorer. I doubt CLAMspeech is legally any different than that. I'm thinking of addresses like 1BitcoinEaterAddressDontSendf59kuE, etc.

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May 21, 2015, 06:45:50 AM
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Hi.

Why in new blockexplorer dont work search by btc, ltc and doge address?

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Can we know how many CLAM have been claimed relative to the total (potential) supply?
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Can we know how many CLAM have been claimed relative to the total (potential) supply?
"moneysupply" : 15146899.13048927,
    "digsupply" : 317467.88052542,
    "stakesupply" : 372497.72641731,
    "activesupply" : 689965.60694273,

So 317,467 have been dug from the initial distribution. 372,497 have been staked. The total active supply is 689,965.

Assuming you are using the QT client, you can get this info in real-time by opening a debug window and entering "getinfo".

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Can we know how many CLAM have been claimed relative to the total (potential) supply?
"moneysupply" : 15146899.13048927,
    "digsupply" : 317467.88052542,
    "stakesupply" : 372497.72641731,
    "activesupply" : 689965.60694273,

So 317,467 have been dug from the initial distribution. 372,497 have been staked. The total active supply is 689,965.

Assuming you are using the QT client, you can get this info in real-time by opening a debug window and entering "getinfo".

And if you aren't, you can go to just-dice.com and type /supply in the chat box. It will tell you lots of information. The part in bold is what you are asking for:

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09:44:17 INFO: 68,934 of 3,208,032 sets of 4.60545574 CLAM were dug up so far from the initial distribution
09:44:17 INFO: 317,472 CLAM were dug up and 372,772 CLAM were staked for a total of 690,244 CLAM
09:44:17 INFO: Just-Dice's onsite bankroll of 504,953 CLAM represents 73.16% of that amount
09:44:17 INFO: if all the distributed CLAMs were dug up, the total money supply would be 15,147,173 CLAM
09:44:17 INFO: the total bankroll of 24,521,811 CLAM is made up of 504,953 CLAM onsite and 24,016,858 CLAM offsite
09:44:17 INFO: the average multiplier (total / onsite) is 48.56x

Edit: note how in the 4 hours since Garth posted his numbers the "digsupply" has gone up by about 5 (the JD numbers are rounded) - a single distribution output was claimed in the last 4 hours.

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May 21, 2015, 06:58:53 PM
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I have now added the burn address which is then taken into consideration when showing the total number of available coins. You can now see 'Spendable Coin Supply'.

I see you labelled the burn address with a comment.

Are you able to label other addresses?

If so, you could label all of the top 4 addresses:

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1  xJDCLAMZsZg1YqGytiP9CRzYYdsrJXX9Kh  Just-Dice.com staking wallet                                    481,444.17500000 CLAM   3.1784%
2  xCLAMBURNXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX1HaxZH  Left over coins from initial distribution. Burnt & Unspendable. 179,551.63935654 CLAM   -
3  xJDCLAMZtRD72TC31E8SJ4a6ycFtnQyuDH  Just-Dice.com hot wallet                                        29,652.61072176 CLAM    0.1958%
4  xCtEDqXt5iFPbckLEd326Utn1b9RuCun8V  BitDice.me staking wallet                                       8,618.06280000 CLAM     0.0569%

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09:44:17 INFO: 68,934 of 3,208,032 sets of 4.60545574 CLAM were dug up so far from the initial distribution
09:44:17 INFO: 317,472 CLAM were dug up and 372,772 CLAM were staked for a total of 690,244 CLAM
09:44:17 INFO: Just-Dice's onsite bankroll of 504,953 CLAM represents 73.16% of that amount
09:44:17 INFO: if all the distributed CLAMs were dug up, the total money supply would be 15,147,173 CLAM
09:44:17 INFO: the total bankroll of 24,521,811 CLAM is made up of 504,953 CLAM onsite and 24,016,858 CLAM offsite
09:44:17 INFO: the average multiplier (total / onsite) is 48.56x

Edit: note how in the 4 hours since Garth posted his numbers the "digsupply" has gone up by about 5 (the JD numbers are rounded) - a single distribution output was claimed in the last 4 hours.

It seems like I wasn't exaggerating when saying that CLAMS are essentially equivalent to Just Dice stock shares.
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- Added blocktree.io to the OP post.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=623147
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I have now added the burn address which is then taken into consideration when showing the total number of available coins. You can now see 'Spendable Coin Supply'.

I see you labelled the burn address with a comment.

Are you able to label other addresses?

If so, you could label all of the top 4 addresses:

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1  xJDCLAMZsZg1YqGytiP9CRzYYdsrJXX9Kh  Just-Dice.com staking wallet                                    481,444.17500000 CLAM   3.1784%
2  xCLAMBURNXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX1HaxZH  Left over coins from initial distribution. Burnt & Unspendable. 179,551.63935654 CLAM   -
3  xJDCLAMZtRD72TC31E8SJ4a6ycFtnQyuDH  Just-Dice.com hot wallet                                        29,652.61072176 CLAM    0.1958%
4  xCtEDqXt5iFPbckLEd326Utn1b9RuCun8V  BitDice.me staking wallet                                       8,618.06280000 CLAM     0.0569%

Done. Let me know if you want any other addresses labeled.
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May 25, 2015, 03:04:35 PM
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Done. Let me know if you want any other addresses labeled.

Thanks.

Did you see my previous reply to you? Neither the linking of outputs to the transactions that spend them nor the responsive layout appears fixed yet.

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May 26, 2015, 12:29:30 AM
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- Change your password here at BitcoinTalk.org after the recent security breach.
- Never use the same password at multiple places, if you did change it now.

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I’m proud to announce the sale of my first series of physical coins…..Genesis Coin
I have chosen Clams to be part of the first series of my physical coin line
-   The idea: I was looking for physical coins, other than the more well known coins (i.e. Bitcoin, Litecoin, etc.) and saw that there weren’t many choices out there if any at all. There are many companies minting physical Bitcoins and I did not want to add just another choice for people. So I went out and created a brand new line of coins to compliment the current market.  So what I am bringing to the market is a line of coins, which I call Genesis Coin, which in my first series of coins will represent 12 different coins with a total production run of 300. 

-   Coins and mintage:  As I’ve stated there are a total of 300 coins in Series 1 of my line spread across 12 different crypto coins, as follows (Coin and total amount minted):
Bitcoin - 10
Litecoin - 10
Dogecoin – 10
Coin2 – 30
Hyper – 30
Peercoin – 30
Namecoin – 30
ShadowCash – 30
DNotes – 30
Darkcoin – 30
Reddcoin – 30
Clams – 30
-   Coin Design: Because of the large cost to minting a short run of coins, each coin will have the same generic design.  The design on side one – will have the word Genesis right in the middle, with a circle surrounding the word.  On top of Genesis will be six dates and below will be six dates.  Each one of those dates corresponds to the genesis block creation date for each one of the 12 coins in series one.  On the outside rim will be the names of all 12 coins represented.  On the bottom right will be the date 2015 to correspond to the mint date.  Opposite on the left side will be a serialized engraving of the number coin it is.  And on the bottom center will be the coin’s name that it is engraved into the coin.  On side 2 will be a full address on the top rim that will be specific to the coin that is engraved on side one.  In the center will be a security sticker in a recessed area that will cover the printout of the full security key that pairs with the address engraved above it.  The security sticker has my companys name that lights up under UV lighting. The coin is 1.5” in diameter and is made from copper/brass alloy.  Each coin will be serialized 1-10 or 1-30 depending on which coin you get.  Every coin serialized 1-10 will be gold plated (for all 12 coins), and every coin serialized 11-30 will be silver plated (for the 9 coins excluding; Bitcoin, Litecoin, and Dogecoin as they only have 10 each produced).  There will be black accents throughout the coin for contrast from the silver or gold plating.  So yes there are only ‘10’ Genesis Series 1 Bitcoins that will be produced.  Again I’m looking to compliment the current market.
-   THE TWIST……
-   Distribution:  So as an avid collector of many things throughout my life, I wanted to change the current distribution method of attaining these coins.  As a kid I grew up collecting sports cards, buying many, many packs of cards to try to get the cards/players that I wanted.  So what I have chosen to do was to employ the same type of distribution method.  For every coin serialized 1-15 and 26-30 will be packaged up into “packs” and for the coins serialized 16-25 they will be available for direct sale.  Each coin headed into packs, has been put into a non-see through white package and a Genesis sticker placed on the front of the package,  everyone of them packaged the same.  So what that means is that the Bitcoin, Litecoin and Dogecoins are only attainable via buying a pack and landing the coin.  The other coins will each have 10 available for sale and the other 20 placed into packs as well.  So for Series one there will be 85 coins directly for sale and 210 “packs” available for sale.  That leaves 5 unaccounted for; 1 I will be shipping off a pack to a member here at BCT, Elianite, for his review.  It will be a non premium coin (coins serialized only to 10).  The other 4 I am keeping for my own collection, again none of them are premium coins (Bitcoin, Litecoin, etc.).  I will be keeping 1 of each- Coin2, Hyper, Darkcoin, and Reddcoin.  Every coin individually for sale and in the packs will be placed in a plastic coin capsule.
-   Cost: $15 per individual coin or pack.
-   Payment:  I will ONLY accept Bitcoin as of this time.  I will not accept Paypal under any circumstance, (learned the hard way they don’t like anything to do with digital currencies).  Hopefully in the near future I will accept other coins including yours, but not as of now.
-   Preorder: None.  Coins are minted, in hand, packaged and ready to ship.
-   Shipping:  I will be shipping from The United States in New Jersey.  I will be using USPS for all sales.  For shipping within the lower 48 states, tracked shipping will be $6, and most international shipping will be $16 using tracked registered USPS mail (please pm me with the country you would like them shipped to, to confirm).  Those quotes are for 1 coin or pack.  For multiple coins or packs please pm me for a quote.  I will be making shipments every Wednesday and Saturday.
-   Escrow: Of Course, We can discuss who will provide escrow services, but ultimately I will have to approve and will only utilize a reputable escrow service from a member here on bitcointalk who has provided multiple transactions without issues (i.e. OGNasty).
-   Terms of Service:  All sales are final and before purchasing understand this.  As with any coins that have been made, there is a possibility of counterfeits that pop up.  I cannot be responsible for anyone purchasing Genesis coins from anyone other than myself, unless I approve them as a reseller. 
-   Disclaimer: There are a couple of known manufacturing errors that were discovered after receipt and my verification process:
o   3 coins (Bitcoin ser #2, Coin2 ser #2 and Peercoin ser #9) have the serial number and their name engraved upside down
o   All Shadowcash coins ser# 1-30 have been engraved with the name Shadowcoin instead of ShadowCash

I told myself, for my series #1, if there are any discrepancies (other than address) that are minted wrong that I will be keeping them as is.  I wanted a true representation of the first set of my coins.  With my future series, these will be sent back for rework prior to release.  It was more than I thought would come out, but it is what it is, and I’m sticking with the true first mint as is.

****Please be vigilant against posts claiming to be me, wheelz1200, with different user names.  Don’t fall for the silly wheelz120O or whee1z1200.  Please pm me if you would like to verify before purchasing, do not reply to any of these fakes.  I cannot refund anyone who has sent payment to a fake account.  I would like to ask the community as well, to report any of these attempts to myself via this post as well as any administrator.

Please make payment to this address and this address only. I will never ask you via pm to pay to another address.  If I need to change address payments I will broadcast that here on this post, Bitcoin address for payment: 14tjZChqkvuufWZfUJTZndkrxwEB4f45QH

If you have any questions feel free to PM me as I wont be able to get to every thread and might miss your question.  Thank you

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May 26, 2015, 03:01:01 PM
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Here are some pictures of my coins.  These were taken from a cell phone and not with a high quality camera so they are not the best, and do the coins no justice.  I figured its better to at least have these up until I can get some better pictures posted.  Some of the pictures are upside down.  If you have additional questions, please feel free to PM me.

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May 26, 2015, 04:18:31 PM
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I did not want to add just another choice for people. So I went out and created a brand new line of coins to compliment the current market.

Doesn't that just add another choice for people? I don't get it.

I'm not overly familiar with how these things work. Do you put one of your private keys under the security sticker? Is that safe?

I guess buyers would have to trust you with their savings if they intend to fund the coins.

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May 26, 2015, 04:29:27 PM
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I did not want to add just another choice for people. So I went out and created a brand new line of coins to compliment the current market.

Doesn't that just add another choice for people? I don't get it.

I'm not overly familiar with how these things work. Do you put one of your private keys under the security sticker? Is that safe?

I guess buyers would have to trust you with their savings if they intend to fund the coins.

Great questions.  As for the choice; right now there are a lot of coin makers producing coins for Bitcoin, Litecoin and Doge (Casascius- not in production anymore, Lealana-Beautiful coins none the less, etc).  What you can't find are physical coins for the next tier of crypto currencies such as CLAMS, Coin2, ShadowCash, etc.  I wanted to be able for other communities to have an opportunity to buy a physical coin of the altcoin they support as well.  Hopefully my line will offer that.  As far as how they work, yes for this line there is an address engraved on the back of the coin, with the pairing security key under a tamper proof hologram security sticker (the preferred choice of security from all of the coin manufacturers).  You can load the coin and then when you want to redeem it, simply peel the sticker off, take the private code and load into your wallet.  The sticker leaves remnants on the coin and the sticker is unusable at that point so you know if one has been redeemed or not.  A great way to have something tangible of the coin you support.  CLAMS was chosen as part of my initial series of coins and figured I would offer it to people here on this forum before they sold out elsewhere.  If you have anymore questions just let me know, thanks for your interest.

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May 26, 2015, 06:39:43 PM
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I guess buyers would have to trust you with their savings if they intend to fund the coins.

Yep, the buyer would need to trust the coin seller with all their funds as the seller would have access to the keys. Seems way too dangerous unless the address/key is generated using a partial private key similar to what vanitygen allows. This would also mean that coins need to be made to-order though, but would greatly increase the security.
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I guess buyers would have to trust you with their savings if they intend to fund the coins.

Yep, the buyer would need to trust the coin seller with all their funds as the seller would have access to the keys. Seems way too dangerous unless the address/key is generated using a partial private key similar to what vanitygen allows. This would also mean that coins need to be made to-order though, but would greatly increase the security.

All very true.  Although I would never store a large amount of coins on a single coin regardless of the method.  Most people dont load them with any but just like to have a physical wallet with a certain coin as a novelty.

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