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Author Topic: [ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin"  (Read 1150649 times)
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February 21, 2015, 06:54:37 AM
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As an aside, CLAMspeech also provides an interesting opportunity for additional functionality on top of the protocol.
Services such as Counterparty become much simpler to implement with a ready-made field in which could be placed data to be parsed and consensus approved.


This, this is what could make this coin.

It's also useful for messing with the block explorer. Someone sent a transaction with the CLAMspeech '<img src="http://.../dancingbanana.gif">' and the image ended up rendered on the block explorer page.

I think they fixed that now though. Sad
Wow, that's cool... is it the dancing banana used mostly for logins?  Cheesy

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February 21, 2015, 04:11:29 PM
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It's also useful for messing with the block explorer. Someone sent a transaction with the CLAMspeech '<img src="http://.../dancingbanana.gif">' and the image ended up rendered on the block explorer page.
I think they fixed that now though. Sad
Wow, that's cool... is it the dancing banana used mostly for logins?  Cheesy

The dancing banana was an interesting lesson; and just about the least malicious way to discover what could have been a serious issue.
Believe it or not, it was appreciated Grin


As an aside, CLAMspeech also provides an interesting opportunity for additional functionality on top of the protocol.
Services such as Counterparty become much simpler to implement with a ready-made field in which could be placed data to be parsed and consensus approved.
This, this is what could make this coin.

Another interesting use-case that we will likely be seeing sooner, rather than later: in client proof-of-existence.
For those not familiar, it would basically provide an on the block chain notary service where messages and files could be hashed and inserted to prove their existence.  Not a new idea or feature in the crypto space but having it in client and searchable via UI or RPC would be interesting if nothing else.

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Reminds me of little Bobby Tables. Yes, a dancing banana is certainly harmless, though I think it is the block explorer's problem, not the client itself Smiley

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February 21, 2015, 04:29:10 PM
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The concept is deceptively simple: political and religious expression/speech is legally protected in many jurisdictions around the world.
There are two facets of the feature that mutually protect each other:
1.  The ability to guarantee freedom of speech by hosting it on the block chain;
2.  Possibly more importantly, protection of the block chain by having expressions of protected speech embedded in it.
What do you think of the idea of having JD take random lines from its on-site chat as its "CLAMspeech" for the blocks it stakes?

Absolutely.



That way you get a much wider range of "expression" in the blockchain - though some of it may not be the kind of stuff you want preserved forever.
I've asked before and don't think I've seen an answer: are the "expression of * freedom: *" lines a work in progress? Are they templates to be filled in with real statements about each religion/whatever? Because it seems to me that currently the "expressions" aren't actually expressing anything - they're just a list of religions and suchlike.

The initial/default CLAMspeech list should exist in code at the official git repository.
We welcome proposed additions or changes.



We could certainly use ideas and advice is this regard.

This is a much more complex issue than it appears at first glance.

Initially, the idea was to have a much smaller initial list, with the expectation that users would add additional expressions as they saw fit.

Such an activity becomes very difficult, very quickly.  
What exactly "deserves" to exist in the list?  
Maybe more importantly, who are we to say a given item doesn't?
Does having a larger (as opposed to empty or small) list provide the opportunity for users to have some degree of psuedo-anonymity and still be able to choose specific items to broadcast?

One option would be provide a sort of feed, similar to some social websites.  Users would see a list of previously sent "expressions" and could choose to either disregard them or add them with a simple click to their personal list.  A sort of "re-tweet" if you will.
Interesting? Maybe.

Ideas are welcome.

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I've asked before and don't think I've seen an answer: are the "expression of * freedom: *" lines a work in progress? Are they templates to be filled in with real statements about each religion/whatever? Because it seems to me that currently the "expressions" aren't actually expressing anything - they're just a list of religions and suchlike.

The initial/default CLAMspeech list should exist in code at the official git repository.
We welcome proposed additions or changes.

OK, but I think you miss my point. To pick a random example the first tx I looked at says:

    "clam-speech" : "Expression of Political Freedom: Nazism"

I'm saying that I don't think that is an expression of political freedom. It's just a word. Just as the string "one sausage" isn't a sausage, it's just some words. And so "Expression of Political Freedom: Nazism" looks to me like a template that needs to be filled in. If it said "White people are the best, especially blue-eyed blonde-haired ones" then that's an expression - it's saying something. I'm not sure a simple list of words *is*. I'm not a lawyer (nor an expert on Nazism, clearly), but it just kind of bugs me that the default speech list contains the *word* expression a lot, but never actually expresses anything.

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February 22, 2015, 01:18:58 AM
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The initial/default CLAMspeech list should exist in code at the official git repository.
We welcome proposed additions or changes.
OK, but I think you miss my point.

Didn't miss your point - just don't have a great answer for you.
I am no more a lawyer than you.

The supposition was that the block chain is a place in which words can be "etched", presumably forever.

In the United States (only one jurisdiction and example), it is not unusual during election time to see signs posted about reading "Democrat" or "Republican" (the two major parties in the U.S.).

I would expect a court of law in the U.S. would find it very difficult to uphold a law that prevented citizens from displaying such signs.

It seems to me that "etching" the name of a political party or group into the immutable block chain is very similar to displaying a sign of such in your front yard.



Does it in any way meet the standard of triggering the legal protection of being "expression", "association", "speech", etc.?
Even if it did in one given jurisdiction, would it in others?

No idea.

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February 22, 2015, 04:26:59 AM
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Pardon for the delay.

After speaking to a few people concerning BitDice.me, it appears to be a legitimate service integrating CLAM.

Adding the service to the OP post now.



Thanks BitDice.me!
Welcome to the CLAM family!
Good luck Grin

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YAY! i just imported my addy and got 4 clams!!  Grin
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It seems to me that "etching" the name of a political party or group into the immutable block chain is very similar to displaying a sign of such in your front yard.

OK, good point. I'll stop going on about it now. Smiley

I made some more pushes, re. CLAMspeech. Added RPC call "setspeech" which sets the speech string to be used for all staking and transactions until it's called again. Set it to the empty string to go back to random speech. Made createrawtransaction act the same as everything else - it defaults to a random string unless setspeech has been called. Previously it defaulted to no speech.

In doing so, I noticed that the 140 character limit is soft - >140 speech characters makes a transaction "non-standard" which stops it from being relayed around the network, but if you stake the block yourself it will be accepted as valid by peers. Is that the intended behaviour? I can fill my blocks with very long "speech" for free, since I don't pay fees on the staking transaction. It would take a soft-fork to fix this.

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February 22, 2015, 07:17:33 PM
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How its work?

1 wallet.dat = 4.6 clam

Or

1 address = 4/6 clam

 Huh

I have 4 address with some bitcoin in May 12, 2014.If I import a wallet.dat with them address. How much will I get? 4.6 clam or 4.6*4 =18.4 clam

 Huh

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February 22, 2015, 09:27:52 PM
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How its work?

1 wallet.dat = 4.6 clam

Or

1 address = 4/6 clam

 Huh

I have 4 address with some bitcoin in May 12, 2014.If I import a wallet.dat with them address. How much will I get? 4.6 clam or 4.6*4 =18.4 clam

 Huh

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4.6 CLAM per address/private key.

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February 22, 2015, 10:44:41 PM
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how long before an exchange goes through their old privatekeys and dumps a shit load? Wink


Love this concept of distribution btw.

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how long before an exchange goes through their old privatekeys and dumps a shit load? Wink

It happened at the beginning of January - a whole lot of LTC addresses were dug over the course of a day or two, causing the jump seen in this chart:



It's not known who it was, but the volume suggests it must have been a popular LTC service, probably an exchange.

The bigger jump around the 2nd week of December corresponds with the relaunch of Just-Dice and the subsequent jump in the price of CLAM.

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February 24, 2015, 10:13:21 AM
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The CLAM Report


this is the start. lets get these numbers higher
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YAY! i just imported my addy and got 4 clams!!  Grin

You should have get 4.6 and some change Wink Almost 0.04 BTC
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How is coin weight calculated?
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How is coin weight calculated?

Each CLAM weighs 1 unit, unless it staked less than 510 blocks ago or was involved in a transaction less than 4 hours ago, in which case it weighs 0 units.

So an output of N CLAMs weighs either 0 or N units, depending on whether it's old enough yet or not. It's a binary thing. Other than that, age doesn't matter.

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Looks like someone is using a bot to trade coins  Shocked
The good news is we have a new high for the CLAM at 2.51



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February 24, 2015, 09:17:26 PM
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when attempting to stake i get this error:

"Error: RPC server was not started, use server=1 to change this (code -18)"

what do i have to do to start staking?
Sorry for noob-question.
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Looks like someone is using a bot to trade coins  Shocked
The good news is we have a new high for the CLAM at 2.51


I guess they're not using the poloniex price over at coinmarketcap. Almost all the on-exchange CLAM/BTC trading happens at poloniex. I just checked cryptsy and the price there has been between 0.007 and 0.009 BTC/CLAM for the last week. So I don't know where coinmarketcap are getting their price.

I reported this as a bug over in the coinmarketcap thread.

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