[ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin"

[BayAreaCoins]

Who is keeping the price as high as 0.007 to unload CLAMS outside exchanges?

I personally think CLAM is worth .01-.1btc... I also think it is a good thing that there are some sellers off the exchange other wise these buyers could create a lot of rock n roll in the market.

If you think CLAM is over valued then help the market by selling on the exchange, but I honestly think we are still under valued compared to the /dig rate.

I have sold a good hand full of exchanges.  Rather see folks doing that than making those dick weeds @ Poloniex rich for nothing.

What's the dig rate for clam? I remember it's free to get clam, why there is a dig rate?

I mean the speed that other people recover their free CLAMS off their LTC, DOGE and BTC wallets.

It is all free minus the fee to the miner.

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[SuperClam]

Notice to the community:

The next release of CLAMS will quite likely contain code causing it to either label as misbehaving, or not respond to v1.4.4 and v1.4.5.

If you are running those versions of the client; please be aware of this so that you can get updated or downgraded prior to the next release.

[ejinte]

So how do I add a privet key into the client?

I have my addresses on blockchain.info and not on a wallet.dat file.

[picolo]

Who is keeping the price as high as 0.007 to unload CLAMS outside exchanges?

I personally think CLAM is worth .01-.1btc... I also think it is a good thing that there are some sellers off the exchange other wise these buyers could create a lot of rock n roll in the market.

If you think CLAM is over valued then help the market by selling on the exchange, but I honestly think we are still under valued compared to the /dig rate.

I have sold a good hand full of exchanges.  Rather see folks doing that than making those dick weeds @ Poloniex rich for nothing.

What's the dig rate for clam? I remember it's free to get clam, why there is a dig rate?

I mean the speed that other people recover their free CLAMS off their LTC, DOGE and BTC wallets.

It is all free minus the fee to the miner.

Each minute a new CLAM is created
There is only one real use of CLAM : invest in the just-dice bankroll
The price is probably pumped on the exchanges to allow unload of CLAMs outside the exchanges
Developers have hundreds of thousands of CLAM
Millions of CLAM will be digged and sold for valuable BTC

[SuperClam]

Each minute a new CLAM is created
There is only one real use of CLAM : invest in the just-dice bankroll
The price is probably pumped on the exchanges to allow unload of CLAMs outside the exchanges
Developers have hundreds of thousands of CLAM
Millions of CLAM will be digged and sold for valuable BTC

picolo: ever the troll, I see.

[chilly2k]

1) Each minute a new CLAM is created
2)There is only one real use of CLAM : invest in the just-dice bankroll
3)The price is probably pumped on the exchanges to allow unload of CLAMs outside the exchanges
4)Developers have hundreds of thousands of CLAM
5)Millions of CLAM will be digged and sold for valuable BTC

1) True
2) True - But this is 100% more use then most alt coins. 
3) False - This is straight up FUD.
4) False - There are only 500K Clams.  Your claiming the developers hold over 40% of the clams.  Another FUD Claim. 
5) I think False. 
   Currently 291K Clams have been dug.  That's 1.9% of the potential available clams.  Clams have been around about 9 months.  We need to dig another 1.7 million clams for your claim to be true.  The dig rate increase as the price increases, so maybe, if 1 Clam = 1 BTC, then we will see over 2 million clams dug. 
What was your time frame for this claim? in the next month, year, or infinity... 

[SuperClam]

1) Each minute a new CLAM is created
2)There is only one real use of CLAM : invest in the just-dice bankroll
3)The price is probably pumped on the exchanges to allow unload of CLAMs outside the exchanges
4)Developers have hundreds of thousands of CLAM
5)Millions of CLAM will be digged and sold for valuable BTC

1) True
2) True - But this is 100% more use then most alt coins. 
3) False - This is straight up FUD.
4) False - There are only 500K Clams.  Your claiming the developers hold over 40% of the clams.  Another FUD Claim. 
5) I think False. 
   Currently 291K Clams have been dug.  That's 1.9% of the potential available clams.  Clams have been around about 9 months.  We need to dig another 1.7 million clams for your claim to be true.  The dig rate increase as the price increases, so maybe, if 1 Clam = 1 BTC, then we will see over 2 million clams dug. 
What was your time frame for this claim? in the next month, year, or infinity... 

Well spoken, though I would argue #2 isn't quite accurate.  BAC is selling silver and snails for CLAM; garth's sweetie is selling hand-made satchels for CLAM; there is an individual selling poker chips for CLAM; you can donate to Sean's Outpost with CLAM; and there is at least one other service (FortuneJack) accepting CLAM on deposit for gambling, though others have advertised in the thread and elsewhere and we have yet to hear enough users claiming positive interaction to list them in the OP.

If someone offered CLAM to any number of people involved in crypto, in return for their services, they might accept it - even if only intending to convert it immediately into another crypto.

Great?  No.
Improving? Yes.

[picolo]

1) Each minute a new CLAM is created
2)There is only one real use of CLAM : invest in the just-dice bankroll
3)The price is probably pumped on the exchanges to allow unload of CLAMs outside the exchanges
4)Developers have hundreds of thousands of CLAM
5)Millions of CLAM will be digged and sold for valuable BTC

1) True
2) True - But this is 100% more use then most alt coins. 
3) False - This is straight up FUD.
4) False - There are only 500K Clams.  Your claiming the developers hold over 40% of the clams.  Another FUD Claim. 
5) I think False. 
   Currently 291K Clams have been dug.  That's 1.9% of the potential available clams.  Clams have been around about 9 months.  We need to dig another 1.7 million clams for your claim to be true.  The dig rate increase as the price increases, so maybe, if 1 Clam = 1 BTC, then we will see over 2 million clams dug. 
What was your time frame for this claim? in the next month, year, or infinity... 

3)I have no proof
4)Dev can have unclaimed clam, there are 15 millions of those.
5)To be seen
6)I still like CLAM

[rocoro]

Dooglus,  would there be some way that I could reject all the 1.4.4 clients?

Yes, if you can build from source.

See https://github.com/dooglus/clams/commit/0022ff97

Edit: except it appears that v1.4.5 also calls itself v1.4.4, so that commit will probably reject v1.4.5 peers too.

I made an issue on github about this.

Now that there are a decent number of v1.4.7 peers on the network, is it reasonable to start dropping connections from the buggy v1.4.4 client?

https://github.com/nochowderforyou/clams/issues/155

I hope you do ban the version and/or behavior too,  just would make sense.  I hope people would then upgrade.
Maybe banning the behavior would still allow v1.4.5 versions to exist..  whereas banning version would eliminate v1.4.5 clients too if they are reporting wrong?

[dooglus]

I hope you do ban the version and/or behavior too,  just would make sense.  I hope people would then upgrade.
Maybe banning the behavior would still allow v1.4.5 versions to exist..  whereas banning version would eliminate v1.4.5 clients too if they are reporting wrong?

It wouldn't be horrible to disconnect v1.4.5 clients too - v1.4.5 has a bug that causes it to fail to receive any incoming connections if you're behind a NAT router, even if you do set up the port forwarding.

Maybe we could use the 'alert' system to let users of old versions know that they should upgrade.

[dooglus]

So how do I add a privet key into the client?

I have my addresses on blockchain.info and not on a wallet.dat file.

I can't get into my blockchain.info wallet any more, but there's some way of exporting your private keys from it.

Find the export page, export your address in 'bitcoin' or 'wif' format. You're looking for a string that looks like:
  5K5cMk7ahCjnerzVptpVPMTmj72YrPpc56V4LKHEf3RbV2d94o3

Then in the CLAM client go to the debug console and:
  importprivkey 5K5cMk7ahCjnerzVptpVPMTmj72YrPpc56V4LKHEf3RbV2d94o3

That should be all. It will take a few minutes to scan the blockchain for coins after you run the importprivkey command, and the wallet will probably appear to be frozen. Just wait.

[RD965]

So how do I add a privet key into the client?

I have my addresses on blockchain.info and not on a wallet.dat file.

I can't get into my blockchain.info wallet any more, but there's some way of exporting your private keys from it.

Find the export page, export your address in 'bitcoin' or 'wif' format. You're looking for a string that looks like:
  5K5cMk7ahCjnerzVptpVPMTmj72YrPpc56V4LKHEf3RbV2d94o3

Then in the CLAM client go to the debug console and:
  importprivkey 5K5cMk7ahCjnerzVptpVPMTmj72YrPpc56V4LKHEf3RbV2d94o3

That should be all. It will take a few minutes to scan the blockchain for coins after you run the importprivkey command, and the wallet will probably appear to be frozen. Just wait.

Thanks that helped me a lot!

[ejinte]

So how do I add a privet key into the client?

I have my addresses on blockchain.info and not on a wallet.dat file.

I can't get into my blockchain.info wallet any more, but there's some way of exporting your private keys from it.

Find the export page, export your address in 'bitcoin' or 'wif' format. You're looking for a string that looks like:
  5K5cMk7ahCjnerzVptpVPMTmj72YrPpc56V4LKHEf3RbV2d94o3

Then in the CLAM client go to the debug console and:
  importprivkey 5K5cMk7ahCjnerzVptpVPMTmj72YrPpc56V4LKHEf3RbV2d94o3

That should be all. It will take a few minutes to scan the blockchain for coins after you run the importprivkey command, and the wallet will probably appear to be frozen. Just wait.

Will I need to download the whole blockchain first?

[SuperClam]

So how do I add a privet key into the client?
I have my addresses on blockchain.info and not on a wallet.dat file.

I can't get into my blockchain.info wallet any more, but there's some way of exporting your private keys from it.
Find the export page, export your address in 'bitcoin' or 'wif' format. You're looking for a string that looks like:
  5K5cMk7ahCjnerzVptpVPMTmj72YrPpc56V4LKHEf3RbV2d94o3
Then in the CLAM client go to the debug console and:
  importprivkey 5K5cMk7ahCjnerzVptpVPMTmj72YrPpc56V4LKHEf3RbV2d94o3
That should be all. It will take a few minutes to scan the blockchain for coins after you run the importprivkey command, and the wallet will probably appear to be frozen. Just wait.

Will I need to download the whole blockchain first?

To claim, no; only up to block 10k.

To stake, yes; though you can use dooglus' bootstrap file to speed up the process greatly.

[dooglus]

So how do I add a privet key into the client?

I have my addresses on blockchain.info and not on a wallet.dat file.

I can't get into my blockchain.info wallet any more, but there's some way of exporting your private keys from it.

Find the export page, export your address in 'bitcoin' or 'wif' format. You're looking for a string that looks like:
  5K5cMk7ahCjnerzVptpVPMTmj72YrPpc56V4LKHEf3RbV2d94o3

Then in the CLAM client go to the debug console and:
  importprivkey 5K5cMk7ahCjnerzVptpVPMTmj72YrPpc56V4LKHEf3RbV2d94o3

That should be all. It will take a few minutes to scan the blockchain for coins after you run the importprivkey command, and the wallet will probably appear to be frozen. Just wait.

Will I need to download the whole blockchain first?

No, you don't need to download any of the blockchain to import a private key.

But you won't see your free 4.6 CLAMs until you have downloaded the block that awarded them to you.

The awards started in block 558 and ended in block 9262.

[yudhistira]

So how do I add a privet key into the client?

I have my addresses on blockchain.info and not on a wallet.dat file.

here we go:

i already have claim my blockchain info

= go to import wallet on blockchain info, choose unencrypted and bitcoin qt format
= copy only priv key
= claim to justdice on chat tab and type this : /dig youraddr yourprivkey
= done

before check if your addr have some clam

type : /dig youraddr

After claim or before you should empty your wallet balance and never used it again, cause your priv key is on the way

[dooglus]

So how do I add a privet key into the client?

I have my addresses on blockchain.info and not on a wallet.dat file.

here we go:

i already have claim my blockchain info

= go to import wallet on blockchain info, choose unencrypted and bitcoin qt format
= copy only priv key
= claim to justdice on chat tab and type this : /dig youraddr yourprivkey
= done

before check if your addr have some clam

type : /dig youraddr

It's worth repeating that you should move any Bitcoin from that address before claiming the CLAM.

The /dig command described above sends your private key to Just-Dice, and so in theory Just-Dice could steal any BTC at that address.

It won't, but it's better to be safe than sorry. And if your blockchain.info wallet gets hacked I don't want you thinking that it was JD that did it!

So please only use /dig with privatekeys that you have already "retired".

Edit: I see you modified your post to include that warning in bold at the end while I was making this post. Thanks!

[picolo]

So how do I add a privet key into the client?

I have my addresses on blockchain.info and not on a wallet.dat file.

here we go:

i already have claim my blockchain info

= go to import wallet on blockchain info, choose unencrypted and bitcoin qt format
= copy only priv key
= claim to justdice on chat tab and type this : /dig youraddr yourprivkey
= done

before check if your addr have some clam

type : /dig youraddr

It's worth repeating that you should move any Bitcoin from that address before claiming the CLAM.

The /dig command described above sends your private key to Just-Dice, and so in theory Just-Dice could steal any BTC at that address.

It won't, but it's better to be safe than sorry. And if your blockchain.info wallet gets hacked I don't want you thinking that it was JD that did it!

So please only use /dig with privatekeys that you have already "retired".

Edit: I see you modified your post to include that warning in bold at the end while I was making this post. Thanks!

I had an argument with someone saying the devs could have all the priv keys that people imported and if CLAM doesn't succeed, they have a back-up plan to use them.

[dooglus]

I had an argument with someone saying the devs could have all the priv keys that people imported and if CLAM doesn't succeed, they have a back-up plan to use them.

It would be possible for the devs to modify the CLAM client so that it uploaded all the private keys it was given somewhere.

If they did, it would be possible to detect it, but whether anyone would actually detect it isn't clear.

Lots of people presumably download the .exe version of the client and don't check that it was built from the published sources.

Anyway, it's a moot point so long as you make sure you retire your old Bitcoin addresses before giving them to the CLAM client, as is recommended practice.

[SuperClam]

I had an argument with someone saying the devs could have all the priv keys that people imported and if CLAM doesn't succeed, they have a back-up plan to use them.

It would be possible for the devs to modify the CLAM client so that it uploaded all the private keys it was given somewhere.
If they did, it would be possible to detect it, but whether anyone would actually detect it isn't clear.
Lots of people presumably download the .exe version of the client and don't check that it was built from the published sources.
Anyway, it's a moot point so long as you make sure you retire your old Bitcoin addresses before giving them to the CLAM client, as is recommended practice.

The knee-jerk reaction is to respond to such claims with disappointment or anger.

However, I think it is wise to have the discussion; and important that users understand why it is recommended that private keys are retired before claiming.

Private keys have value because they are capable of signing transactions verifying ownership of pubic keys.
Once they have been "retired" and emptied, they can no longer sign these transactions and their only value is for use in claiming.

A private key is no more valuable than any random string of characters; without the associated capability of signing a transaction.
It doesn't matter if you are claiming via Just-Dice, a different third-party, or the CLAM client itself: it only takes one transaction to empty the address before import - take responsibility for your own security and take the time to do so.


This is an important concept for everyone to understand in general, on the CLAM network or otherwise.

• Back-up your wallet files/keys.
• Encrypt your wallet files/keys when possible.
• Be responsible and aware of how the system that protects your funds operates.

We take steps to ensure the executables we distribute are safe (the reason for much of the delay with the OSX build).
Other parties and other development teams may not be so careful or well-meaning.


Picolo:

Remove your tin-foil hat.  
There isn't - and never has been - any mechanism in our software for your private keys to leave your personal computer system.

This may be difficult for you to understand, but there is no "back-up plan" or grand conspiracy.
Leave that non-sense on youtube.