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Author Topic: [ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin"  (Read 1149889 times)
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February 04, 2015, 09:58:57 PM
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One more question:
I put CLAMS wallet software in my dropbox folder.

When I open wallet on 1st PC, I have MY wallet address,
but when I open on 2nd PC I have DIFFERENT wallet address.

How to use one same address on two PC?
Maybe I need copy some another files to dropbox?



The software folder and the data folder are different. When you run the CLAMclient for the first time it will create the data folder. Assuming you are running Windows, the data folder should be something like:
C:\Users\YourUserName\Appdata\Roaming\clam

The data folder may be hidden by default: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Show_hidden_files_and_folders

Thanks! I don't know that.
Can I change "C:\Users\YourUserName\Appdata\Roaming\clam" to "D:\Dropbox\clam"?

It is not recommended to run the same wallet on multiple machines at the same time, but yes, you can change the data directory. The process will be more or less the same as it is with bitcoin: http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/3822/moving-the-bitcoin-folder-from-appdata

If you need more references, google is full of them: https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=bitcoin%20change%20data%20directory

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I changed my mind. I don't want move this folder.

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February 05, 2015, 12:30:06 AM
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20.3 CLAMs inside wallet (1.4.5)

Your weight: 20
Network weight: 444182
15 days

No staking few weeks. Sync ok. Any idea?

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February 05, 2015, 12:50:55 AM
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20.3 CLAMs inside wallet (1.4.5)

Your weight: 20
Network weight: 444182
15 days

No staking few weeks. Sync ok. Any idea?

Dooglus recently posted regarding staking times: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=623147.msg10353729#msg10353729

Yes, it could take a few weeks to stake 20 CLAMs.

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February 05, 2015, 02:52:22 AM
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20.3 CLAMs inside wallet (1.4.5)

Your weight: 20
Network weight: 444182
15 days

No staking few weeks. Sync ok. Any idea?

Dooglus recently posted regarding staking times: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=623147.msg10353729#msg10353729

Yes, it could take a few weeks to stake 20 CLAMs.
Thank You. Now I understand I'm just a poor man with so many coins

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February 05, 2015, 06:36:23 AM
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What's special about CLAMS? How has it managed to avoid the altcoin apocalypse?
Could anyone clue this "noob" in with a tdlr?
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February 05, 2015, 06:48:22 AM
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JD has 360k coins and stakes 1k per day, so I figure if you have 360 coins you'll stake about once per day on average, and so with 36 you can expect to stake every 10 days.

I'd be interested to hear how often anyone with a large amount of CLAM is staking.

How about one with a small amount? Smiley I don't think your empirical testing scales. Sad

103 CLAMS here, last stake was just over 10 days ago. Based on your back of the envelope calcs, I probably should have staked about 3 times over that period.
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February 05, 2015, 07:17:30 AM
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JD has 360k coins and stakes 1k per day, so I figure if you have 360 coins you'll stake about once per day on average, and so with 36 you can expect to stake every 10 days.

I'd be interested to hear how often anyone with a large amount of CLAM is staking.

How about one with a small amount? Smiley I don't think your empirical testing scales. Sad

103 CLAMS here, last stake was just over 10 days ago. Based on your back of the envelope calcs, I probably should have staked about 3 times over that period.

Its not constant , there is variance involved. The longer you let it stake the closer you will get to that number
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February 05, 2015, 07:48:18 AM
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JD has 360k coins and stakes 1k per day, so I figure if you have 360 coins you'll stake about once per day on average, and so with 36 you can expect to stake every 10 days.

I'd be interested to hear how often anyone with a large amount of CLAM is staking.

How about one with a small amount? Smiley I don't think your empirical testing scales. Sad

103 CLAMS here, last stake was just over 10 days ago. Based on your back of the envelope calcs, I probably should have staked about 3 times over that period.

It's not elitism that made me ask about people with a large amount. If you're staking a small amount, variance is going to play a huge part in things, and your anecdotal evidence isn't going to be very useful. If you're staking a large amount, you'll be much more likely to be staking roughly the same amount each day.

Over the last week, for instance, Just-Dice has staked these amounts:

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2015-01-29  1117.64710000
2015-01-30  1068.49620000
2015-01-31  1110.82150000
2015-02-01  1080.12930000
2015-02-02  1056.51520000
2015-02-03  1067.15616470
2015-02-04  1101.75940000

It's different each day, but only by around 5%. If you have 100 CLAMs it could easily take a few weeks to stake even once, or you could stake twice in a single day. Neither of those outcomes would be surprising. If JD was to stake 500 or 2000 in a day, that would be surprising. It's the law of large numbers at work.

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February 05, 2015, 07:52:19 AM
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534 MB!!!  Shocked
I changed my mind. I don't want move this folder.

The only file you need to sync to get the behaviour you're wanting (same funds on two machines) is the wallet.dat file. But it's a bad idea to do so, particularly if you intend to ever run the CLAM client on both machines at the same time.

If you can be sure that you only ever run one instance of the client at a time, and that the wallet.dat file is fully synced from one machine to the other before you switch to running it on the other machine then it may be safe to do so, but even then I wouldn't be sure.

The danger is that the client expects to be the only program modifying the wallet.dat file. If dropbox starts modifying the file while the CLAM client is running, bad things can and probably will happen.

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February 05, 2015, 07:57:13 AM
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What's special about CLAMS? How has it managed to avoid the altcoin apocalypse?
Could anyone clue this "noob" in with a tdlr?

tldr: Just-Dice.com adopted it on 6th December


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February 05, 2015, 08:35:56 AM
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What's special about CLAMS? How has it managed to avoid the altcoin apocalypse?
Could anyone clue this "noob" in with a tdlr?

tldr: Just-Dice.com adopted it on 6th December




So, what made JustDice adopt them - what's special about CLAMS?
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February 05, 2015, 09:25:52 AM
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So, what made JustDice adopt them - what's special about CLAMS?

I like the initial distribution - CLAMs were effectively all pre-mined by the developers and then all given away, to everyone, equally.

Every BTC, LTC, and DOGE address that had a non-dust balance on 12th May 2014 received 4.6 CLAM. There was a little left over, and that was all burned.

After that, CLAM is only created by staking.

This suits my needs at Just-Dice because I didn't want it to get out of hand again like it did when we accepted Bitcoin. In those days we attracted over 60,000 BTC worth of deposits, which is a silly amount to have to be responsible for looking after.

With CLAM there are some 15 million CLAM waiting for people to "dig up" from the initial distribution. The threat of that actually happening keeps the price from going up too much (there are only half a million CLAM that have ever moved, so the unclaimed 15 million is very significant).

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February 05, 2015, 10:31:05 AM
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Guys I'm still confuse please tell me more

I have 2 BTC and i want to buy clam coin
if about 300 clam on my wallet how many days to get 600 clam

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February 05, 2015, 07:36:52 PM
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So, what made JustDice adopt them - what's special about CLAMS?
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I like the initial distribution - CLAMs were effectively all pre-mined by the developers and then all given away, to everyone, equally.


Shouldn't we assume that the developers moved their own BTC/LTC/DOGE into many addresses, sometime before May 12th, and that CLAMS are maybe one of the greatest premines in altcoin history? Wink

It's brilliant because we don't know if the unclaimed CLAMS belong to random people, an exchange's hot wallet, or the devs.

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So, what made JustDice adopt them - what's special about CLAMS?
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I like the initial distribution - CLAMs were effectively all pre-mined by the developers and then all given away, to everyone, equally.


Shouldn't we assume that the developers moved their own BTC/LTC/DOGE into many addresses, sometime before May 12th, and that CLAMS are maybe one of the greatest premines in altcoin history? Wink

It's brilliant because we don't know if the unclaimed CLAMS belong to random people, an exchange's hot wallet, or the devs.

Of course they did, they have hundreds of thousands of CLAMS and will sell them as the price goes up.
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Shouldn't we assume that the developers moved their own BTC/LTC/DOGE into many addresses, sometime before May 12th, and that CLAMS are maybe one of the greatest premines in altcoin history? Wink

It's brilliant because we don't know if the unclaimed CLAMS belong to random people, an exchange's hot wallet, or the devs.

They claim they didn't do this, but there's no way to know for sure.

One thing I'd point out is that CLAM was around for 6 months before Just-Dice started using it, and for that 6 months the price was pretty steadily falling to zero. I would expect most people knowingly sitting on a big pile of unclaimed CLAM would have dug it up and sold it at some point during that 6 months rather than watching as it became increasingly worthless.

That argument possibly doesn't apply to the CLAM developers themselves who would be more likely to be optimistic about CLAM's future, having so much time and energy invested in it.

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February 05, 2015, 08:35:59 PM
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I am long on CLAM. ive been following clam chart everyday since JD came back.



the supply dried up , price went up and now some are selling.

I see supply drying up again in 3-4 days. thats when we start flirting with 0.01


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I am long on CLAM. ive been following clam chart everyday since JD came back.

the supply dried up , price went up and now some are selling.

I see supply drying up again in 3-4 days. thats when we start flirting with 0.01

I think the higher the price goes, the more people are willing to sell. It was around 0.0055 for so long that 0.007 seems like a good price for people to sell at. I doubt we'll go much higher for a while.

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February 06, 2015, 09:05:43 AM
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I am long on CLAM. ive been following clam chart everyday since JD came back.

the supply dried up , price went up and now some are selling.

I see supply drying up again in 3-4 days. thats when we start flirting with 0.01


I really like how CLAMS are structured that it's basically a bond.  The price is partially based not only on the interest rate but also the interest rate compared to other products.  I actually cashed out clams at a slight loss because I learned about okcoin futures and that has a much higher risk and return rate.  

Yeah and we also need to take into account capital appreciation versus interest rate.  It's a 27% gain for people who bought at 0.0055.  But eventually the price should steadily rise as JD user base grows or maybe other demand will arise for clams.  And like you said people might sell but then the price will go up once the people who sell have no more to sell.

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February 06, 2015, 12:03:12 PM
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Would it be smart to make an online-wallet service for CLAM?


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