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Author Topic: [ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin"  (Read 1149889 times)
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January 04, 2015, 12:01:09 PM
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OK, so I imported my keys and wallet is fully sync now. But the balance is still zero.

How much time does it take to receive CALM on my imported keys?

Been more than 12 hours but still no CLAMS. Am I doing anything wrong?
why not claim your clams on just-dice from there withdraw it to whatever addy you want.
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January 04, 2015, 12:19:44 PM
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OK, so I imported my keys and wallet is fully sync now. But the balance is still zero.

How much time does it take to receive CALM on my imported keys?

Been more than 12 hours but still no CLAMS. Am I doing anything wrong?
why not claim your clams on just-dice from there withdraw it to whatever addy you want.

I was able to import the wallet sucecssfully at last.

I don't know what went wrong the first time I imported the wallet. I also tried importing individual private keys, but I received error that the key was invalid. I extracted the keys from Multibit, not the core wallet. Does it matter?

Anyway, I imported the wallet from scratch again and it worked. All eligible addresses reeived the free CALM distribution.

Thanks for all your help, guys!
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January 04, 2015, 12:20:19 PM
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OK, so I imported my keys and wallet is fully sync now. But the balance is still zero.

How much time does it take to receive CALM on my imported keys?

Been more than 12 hours but still no CLAMS. Am I doing anything wrong?
why not claim your clams on just-dice from there withdraw it to whatever addy you want.

You can check all your addresses at once including the change addresses when you import your private keys.
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January 04, 2015, 12:42:57 PM
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OK, so I imported my keys and wallet is fully sync now. But the balance is still zero.

How much time does it take to receive CALM on my imported keys?

Been more than 12 hours but still no CLAMS. Am I doing anything wrong?
why not claim your clams on just-dice from there withdraw it to whatever addy you want.

You can check all your addresses at once including the change addresses when you import your private keys.
...instantly.

You also retain full control of your private keys.

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January 04, 2015, 12:46:03 PM
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Wow price of clams skyrocketed any news I missed?

You guys should check on any old addresses, and you might be able to claim your CLAM.
I think its a great opportunity for new people to buy and test CLAMs as well . But most of the use is only in Gambling right now.

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January 04, 2015, 01:24:38 PM
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Wow price of clams skyrocketed any news I missed?

You guys should check on any old addresses, and you might be able to claim your CLAM.
I think its a great opportunity for new people to buy and test CLAMs as well . But most of the use is only in Gambling right now.

Apparently I do have two BTC address that received CLAM.  Sadly one of those is on Coinbase.

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January 04, 2015, 01:39:27 PM
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Wow price of clams skyrocketed any news I missed?

You guys should check on any old addresses, and you might be able to claim your CLAM.
I think its a great opportunity for new people to buy and test CLAMs as well . But most of the use is only in Gambling right now.

Apparently I do have two BTC address that received CLAM.  Sadly one of those is on Coinbase.

That's gay!!!! At least you got one though.


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January 04, 2015, 01:46:14 PM
Last edit: January 04, 2015, 02:13:12 PM by gamblingbad
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Can someone try get http://coinmarketcap.com/ to put in Clam money supply.
Supply is 412,328clam that makes it over 550k usd marketcap that is number around 30-40 on marketcap on crypto coins. I sent email to them but got no answer for many weeks ago.


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January 04, 2015, 01:51:40 PM
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Can someone try get http://coinmarketcap.com/ to put in Clam money supply.
Supply is 412,328clam that makes it over 550k usd marketcap that is number 30 on marketcap on crypto coins. I sent email to them but got no answer for many weeks ago.

I'll do it now bud.

Sorry I fucked off and forgot that shit.

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Wow price of clams skyrocketed any news I missed?

We had quite a few people losing CLAMs on Just-Dice yesterday. I figure that when players buy CLAMs then lose them, they're not able to sell them back, resulting in a net increase in demand.

The lost CLAMs pass to the crowd-sourced Just-Dice bankroll, and tend to stay there. The people funding the bankroll know a good deal when they see it, and tend not to cash out their profits.

Edit: I wonder if there's any correlation between JD profits and CLAM price. I remember the drop to 0.003x happened after eustice won (around Christmas) and dumped ~10k on the market (on Dec 29th):





It seems to me that the biggest candles on the Poloniex chart correspond to the biggest wins and losses on the JD profit chart. Interesting.

I remember in the past we had optimal stack sizes.

What would be the optimal stack sizes for say 500 clams or so?

I don't know if anyone ever really worked it out. It's a trade-off between:

* if your stacks are too big they'll stake more often, but the whole stack has to sit idle for 510 blocks each time it stakes

* if your stacks are too small, it becomes CPU-expensive for the wallet to scan them all for staking chances, and it becomes size (and thus cost) expensive to ever move the CLAMs anywhere else (since you pay transaction fees based on the size of the transaction, and moving thousands of tiny outputs makes for big transactions)

So I figure the optimal size depends on your CPU speed, and on how often you plan to move your CLAMs around.

Edit: oh, and the reason I came to this thread today in the first place!

It's been a while since I posted a network difficulty chart:


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January 04, 2015, 05:34:44 PM
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Can someone try get http://coinmarketcap.com/ to put in Clam money supply.
Supply is 412,328clam that makes it over 550k usd marketcap that is number 30 on marketcap on crypto coins. I sent email to them but got no answer for many weeks ago.

I'll do it now bud.

Sorry I fucked off and forgot that shit.

Anyone else that can blast them over emails too that'd be great!

I wrote a message about that two weeks ago here on the forum, CLAM is not ranked well. The market is 2000BTC or 540,000 $.
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January 04, 2015, 05:40:09 PM
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Can someone try get http://coinmarketcap.com/ to put in Clam money supply.
Supply is 412,328clam that makes it over 550k usd marketcap that is number 30 on marketcap on crypto coins. I sent email to them but got no answer for many weeks ago.

I'll do it now bud.

Sorry I fucked off and forgot that shit.

Anyone else that can blast them over emails too that'd be great!

I wrote a message about that two weeks ago here on the forum, CLAM is not ranked well. The market is 2000BTC or 540,000 $.

I sent him a PM via forums rather than the contact button @ their web page.


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January 04, 2015, 06:34:30 PM
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So.. erm.. is the free distribution still going?

Finally synched the wallet today, imported my old (now empty) Bitcoin wallet from before I switched to MultiBit, CLAM wallet stopped working for a while and when it came back nothing happened.. Sad

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So.. erm.. is the free distribution still going?

Finally synched the wallet today, imported my old (now empty) Bitcoin wallet from before I switched to MultiBit, CLAM wallet stopped working for a while and when it came back nothing happened.. Sad

The free distribution happened back in June or something. It's still available for claiming, and always will be.

You won't see all your free CLAM until you have synced the first 10k blocks.

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January 04, 2015, 06:49:24 PM
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So.. erm.. is the free distribution still going?

Finally synched the wallet today, imported my old (now empty) Bitcoin wallet from before I switched to MultiBit, CLAM wallet stopped working for a while and when it came back nothing happened.. Sad

The free distribution happened back in June or something. It's still available for claiming, and always will be.

You won't see all your free CLAM until you have synced the first 10k blocks.

DOOGLUS! Nice to see you here Smiley

What you mean the first 10k blocks? The CLAM wallet is fully synched.. After that I imported my old Bitcoin wallet.dat and nothing happened? Do I need to wait some time?

Thanks for your time!

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January 04, 2015, 08:56:20 PM
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So.. erm.. is the free distribution still going?

Finally synched the wallet today, imported my old (now empty) Bitcoin wallet from before I switched to MultiBit, CLAM wallet stopped working for a while and when it came back nothing happened.. Sad

The free distribution happened back in June or something. It's still available for claiming, and always will be.

You won't see all your free CLAM until you have synced the first 10k blocks.

The free distribution happened May 12th.
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January 04, 2015, 10:04:23 PM
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I don't have skills to check the source myself. Since there is a risk BTC from the wallet I'm still using could be stolen, it's not worth the risk for me.
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I am running HEAD from Git and can't seem to get things "right".

1.  Encrypted the wallet
2. Ran

Code:
clamd walletpassphrase passwordhere 999999 true

to allow stakingonly

3.  I get the following result -- see below (i.e., Weight seems wrong)

4.  balance is > 150 clams

Code:
user@HOST:~$ clamd getstakinginfo
{
    "enabled" : true,
    "staking" : false,
    "errors" : "",
    "currentblocksize" : 1000,
    "currentblocktx" : 0,
    "pooledtx" : 0,
    "difficulty" : 28234.19972784,
    "search-interval" : 16,
    "weight" : 0.00000000,
    "netstakeweight" : 305129.11962176,
    "expectedtime" : -1
}

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January 05, 2015, 06:45:23 AM
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What you mean the first 10k blocks?

I mean the initial distribution was finished by block 10,000. If you have more than 10,000 blocks synced, then you have enough to see your coins.

The CLAM wallet is fully synched.. After that I imported my old Bitcoin wallet.dat and nothing happened? Do I need to wait some time?

No, you don't need to wait. I expect the wallet you imported doesn't contain any addresses that were funded on the date in May 2014 that the snapshot was taken.

3.  I get the following result -- see below (i.e., Weight seems wrong)

    "weight" : 0.00000000,

"weight" is a measure of how many CLAMs are currently trying to stake. Outputs don't try to stake if they have staked in the last 510 blocks, or if they have been involved in a transaction in the last 4 hours. I expect one of those two is the case for your coins.

Run "listunspent" to see how many confirmations each output has. Probably by now the problem has resolved itself, since more than 510 blocks have been staked since you posted...

Finally, we saw a LOT of CLAMs dug up today - mostly from what appears to be some kind of Litecoin service. Here's a chart showing the total amount dug up over time. Note the big jump when JD launched around 8th December, and the almost-as-big jump today:


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January 05, 2015, 10:37:50 AM
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Signing messages is a possibility but the ambiguity of which addresses your coins are stored makes me and the rest of the dev team hesitate to do so.  

I think it's too late for that now, anyway. The way things are set up, distribution CLAM coins are at addresses which have *the same* private key as the corresponding BTC/LTC/DOGE addresses.

I guess a change to the protocol could theoretically allow it, and I don't think the ambiguity you mentioned is important - if I can sign a message with the BTC form of a private key, I can trivially convert the private key to DOGE, LTC, or CLAM and sign a message with that form instead. So the protocol would need to modify the meaning of "OP_CHECKSIG" to be "the provided signature is valid for the provided pubkey (as before) OR (the input being spent was created before block 10k AND the provided signature is a valid message signature of "CLAMDIG" as signed by the BTC, LTC, or DOGE address corresponding to the provided pubkey)".

Then people could dig up their outputs without needing to provide anything more than a useless message signature.

There's a risk that people could be tricked into providing a scammer with a message signature that the scammer can then use to dig up the victim's CLAMs.

Oh, but there's a bigger risk that the scammer just scans the network for people digging up their CLAMs using message signatures, and modifies the outputs of those transactions to send the dug CLAMs to their own address... to prevent this, the message to be signed would need to include the destination address rather than being a constant (like "CLAMDIG" above). Then what if there are multiple destination addresses. We can limit this kind of transaction to only work with a single destination address (then the scammer sends 0.001 to the destination address and gives the rest to the miners, so we have to fix the amount too, to be 4.60xxx minus the 0.0001 fee - etc.)

I think in theory it's possible to find a workable solution that would allow people to safely dig up their distribution CLAM using just a signed message, but it would need careful consideration.


This is absolutely on point, and articulate as always. I hadn't considered a few of your points, especially a scammer tricking someone into sending then a message signature they could use to redeem the clams.

How you suggest doing it was exactly what I had in mind, and your right, it would need careful consideration.

I am a big supporter of the bitaddress style page that could allow everything to happen safely offline, its a great idea imo. As for moving the information, a usb key, while it does have some associated risk is a reasonable option.  there are also QR codes which would be easier if you were using a mobile device with a camera.

Offline signing seems like it should be looked at first. It provides a level of security that you can be sure your private keys are not going anywhere and requires no modification to the protocol.

 


That is a really interesting possibility. I just discovered that you can sign messages from within the Coinbase wallet. Being able to retrieve Clams at an address using a signed message could further democratize the distribution.
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