NEM (XEM) Official Thread - 100% New Code - Easy To Use APIs

[rockethead]

Man no more joking around. make  22 the deadline for crying out loud. if they dont want to
redeem then tax them. what makes them so special to hold everyone else up. I mean come on. Sorry if I seem like im complaining but it's time that we get firm on the deadline.

if the deadline is extended then its going to be for a damn good reason.. decisions that are made are not made lightly and are ALWAYS for the betterment of nem. people need to understand that everything the team decides to do is for the good of nem and its community and most certainly not for personal gains/benefits. imagine what would have happened if we had launched a couple weeks ago or even a week ago like some people were calling out for? the network would have forked like it did, webstart would be causing many people problems and who knows what other issues would have popped up, all this resulting in a crashing price and near total loss of faith in the team.

but because of the decisions the team has made this has not happened. because of the decisions the team has made nem has not crashed and burned. because of the decisions the team has made we are still looking pretty damn golden and looking at taking the crypto world by storm.

would you rather the deadlines are not changed and we launch before nem is ready? you may think that is what you want but can assure you if we rush through this CRITICAL stage of nems development and if we do not mind every step we take and if we do not proceed with extreme caution nem could quite easily crash and burn like so many other 2.0 coins before us.

redemption is also a key part of this final stage. if redemption process is moving too slow and we have too few addresses then it is essential that the deadline be postponed so that we can reach a satisfactory number of claimants. with out optimal distribution, nem loses one of its most attractive attributes. this we cannot allow.

i can understand peoples frustration with delays and things seeming like they are not moving fast enough. i really can. im frustrated myself at times but when its a choice between rushing things, resulting in nem under performing, losing reputation or not fulfilling promises or even just totally crashing and burning OR taking things slowly, getting things right, keeping our golden reputation and taking the crypto world by storm with epic distribution, revolutionary - secure - heavily tested tech that can withstand the beating it will need to withstand after launch... i know what i would chose..

we get one shot at getting this right and one shot only. we fuck this up there is no going back to change the past. i think everyone will agree that we need to proceed with calculated, precision steps, ensuring to avoid any possible fuck ups along the way.

lets face it.. if we can pull this off.. its going to be totally and utterly epic beyond anything we have previously seen in crypto and people will take notice - but we gotta get it right first time. no two ways about that.

Well said! I may like to add this too. Alpha was so under tested that the bugs did not show up. Who is to be blamed? The community of course! Now that Beta is out and because we need to register the NEM address we see a good level of traffic. And finally, problems are being expounded. I am so glad. Somehow, deep in me, I think we should extend Beta a bit more and delay the launch. Like you said, we've only got one shot and it better be a bulls eye at the first go! No two ways about it.

I am not sure if the devs can complete the multisig in time, now that the beta bugs are being solved. Nevertheless, it is important that the multisig is there. Delay if we need to. It is all for the good of NEM.

I would like to see an orchestrated SPAM and also a POI exploitation exercise carried out. If we pass this, then I am comfortable. Otherwise, it will linger on my mind with a lot of what ifs.

[gsxrl3oi]

Yes, I agree with everything. I'm in it for the long run. Like everyone else, I would love for our NEM to be successful and I am thankful for the great work that the devs have done and are doing. All I am saying is that nothing is perfect we can only make its better as we go. I know we want to get rid of the kinks and that is what's happening now. It's not like we've been rushing this development. I and like many other have been patiently waiting, so please don't thing that I'm trying to tell you guys to hurry it up. IM NOT AT ALL. I'm just saying 22nd should be final. Lets do it. This beta has been far better than anything out there already (it's not perfect, nothing is) but it will only get better from here. If I disrespected anybody then please accept my apology as it is not my intention. So I'm in whatever decision is best for our NEM. Cheers

[Tompa]

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Best move from 4 to 8 billion!!

So many benefits to support 8 Billion.

At first for all of you!,  nothing will be realy changed,  the percentage of recieving and distribution of coins is still the same! So what are you talking about?

The benefits of 8 Billion is,

- its a better marketing Number to explain
- 8 Billion Humans in the near future
- 8 is a lucky number in many cultures (particularly for asians)
- wider distrubution
- in the area of Mathematik stands a lying eight for eternity!


What is your answer if the media would ask you   "why has NEM 4 Billion coins??"  would it be  litecoin has the 4x times of bitcoin and NEM has the 4 times of NXT??   Do you realy like this answer?  think about!,  there is no real argument for 4 billion.

I think 8 Billion is the best move

+1

I think it will help further distribution a lot. And that is what we want regardles of probable negative impact on the price. I believe the price shouldn't concern us very much at this stage. Having as wide adoption as possible is way more important. And 8b will help.

[nembit86]

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Best move from 4 to 8 billion!!

So many benefits to support 8 Billion.

At first for all of you!,  nothing will be realy changed,  the percentage of recieving and distribution of coins is still the same! So what are you talking about?

The benefits of 8 Billion is,

- its a better marketing Number to explain
- 8 Billion Humans in the near future
- 8 is a lucky number in many cultures (particularly for asians)
- wider distrubution
- in the area of Mathematik stands a lying eight for eternity!


What is your answer if the media would ask you   "why has NEM 4 Billion coins??"  would it be  litecoin has the 4x times of bitcoin and NEM has the 4 times of NXT??   Do you realy like this answer?  think about!,  there is no real argument for 4 billion.

I think 8 Billion is the best move

I like your reasoning.....glad to see consensus is with 8 billion

[mladen00]

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Best move from 4 to 8 billion!!

So many benefits to support 8 Billion.

At first for all of you!,  nothing will be realy changed,  the percentage of recieving and distribution of coins is still the same! So what are you talking about?

The benefits of 8 Billion is,

- its a better marketing Number to explain
- 8 Billion Humans in the near future
- 8 is a lucky number in many cultures (particularly for asians)
- wider distrubution
- in the area of Mathematik stands a lying eight for eternity!


What is your answer if the media would ask you   "why has NEM 4 Billion coins??"  would it be  litecoin has the 4x times of bitcoin and NEM has the 4 times of NXT??   Do you realy like this answer?  think about!,  there is no real argument for 4 billion.

I think 8 Billion is the best move

I like your reasoning.....glad to see consensus is with 8 billion

why are you guys coming with these 8 billion coins proposal now?
where have you been in february, march?
Now 1 minute from start you want to change things

[nembit86]

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Best move from 4 to 8 billion!!

So many benefits to support 8 Billion.

At first for all of you!,  nothing will be realy changed,  the percentage of recieving and distribution of coins is still the same! So what are you talking about?

The benefits of 8 Billion is,

- its a better marketing Number to explain
- 8 Billion Humans in the near future
- 8 is a lucky number in many cultures (particularly for asians)
- wider distrubution
- in the area of Mathematik stands a lying eight for eternity!


What is your answer if the media would ask you   "why has NEM 4 Billion coins??"  would it be  litecoin has the 4x times of bitcoin and NEM has the 4 times of NXT??   Do you realy like this answer?  think about!,  there is no real argument for 4 billion.

I think 8 Billion is the best move

I like your reasoning.....glad to see consensus is with 8 billion

why are you guys coming with these 8 billion coins proposal now?
where have you been in february, march?
Now 1 minute from start you want to change things

We started discussing it about a month ago or more

[rockethead]

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Best move from 4 to 8 billion!!

So many benefits to support 8 Billion.

At first for all of you!,  nothing will be realy changed,  the percentage of recieving and distribution of coins is still the same! So what are you talking about?

The benefits of 8 Billion is,

- its a better marketing Number to explain
- 8 Billion Humans in the near future
- 8 is a lucky number in many cultures (particularly for asians)
- wider distrubution
- in the area of Mathematik stands a lying eight for eternity!


What is your answer if the media would ask you   "why has NEM 4 Billion coins??"  would it be  litecoin has the 4x times of bitcoin and NEM has the 4 times of NXT??   Do you realy like this answer?  think about!,  there is no real argument for 4 billion.

I think 8 Billion is the best move

I like your reasoning.....glad to see consensus is with 8 billion

why are you guys coming with these 8 billion coins proposal now?
where have you been in february, march?
Now 1 minute from start you want to change things

Says a lot for a proponent of Crypto coins, isn't it? Change is a constant in our lives. If we cannot accept evolution, we would have been cavemen.  If everyone got stuck to bitcoin and not change a bit, there wouldn't have been one other coin. If we are hell bent on what we set out to do, NEM would not have evolved to be what it is today.

Ideas come and if they are good, then we should ponder and discuss. If they make sense, we should implement. That's how a project gets better and better.

[crimi]

How many coins will each stakeholder get?

NEM will have a maximum of 4 000 000 000 coins, all distributed with the genesis block.

Any questions?

[nembit86]

How many coins will each stakeholder get?

NEM will have a maximum of 4 000 000 000 coins, all distributed with the genesis block.

Any questions?

Yes. What are you trying to say?

[kodtycoon]

Yes, I agree with everything. I'm in it for the long run. Like everyone else, I would love for our NEM to be successful and I am thankful for the great work that the devs have done and are doing. All I am saying is that nothing is perfect we can only make its better as we go. I know we want to get rid of the kinks and that is what's happening now. It's not like we've been rushing this development. I and like many other have been patiently waiting, so please don't thing that I'm trying to tell you guys to hurry it up. IM NOT AT ALL. I'm just saying 22nd should be final. Lets do it. This beta has been far better than anything out there already (it's not perfect, nothing is) but it will only get better from here. If I disrespected anybody then please accept my apology as it is not my intention. So I'm in whatever decision is best for our NEM. Cheers

I know you wernt saying to hurry up when I went to reply I didn't intend on going on that rant lol the post was directed and everyone and not you only.. I started off replying to you and just went off on a total tangent ha no need to apologize to anyone you are right that we should stick to deadlines but of course there always times when they must be changed. Apologies if you thought I directed all that at you, that wasn't my intention. Just turned into a "changing room speech" I guess haha

(I was fairly drunk at the time)

[nembit86]

Yes, I agree with everything. I'm in it for the long run. Like everyone else, I would love for our NEM to be successful and I am thankful for the great work that the devs have done and are doing. All I am saying is that nothing is perfect we can only make its better as we go. I know we want to get rid of the kinks and that is what's happening now. It's not like we've been rushing this development. I and like many other have been patiently waiting, so please don't thing that I'm trying to tell you guys to hurry it up. IM NOT AT ALL. I'm just saying 22nd should be final. Lets do it. This beta has been far better than anything out there already (it's not perfect, nothing is) but it will only get better from here. If I disrespected anybody then please accept my apology as it is not my intention. So I'm in whatever decision is best for our NEM. Cheers

I know you wernt saying to hurry up when I went to reply I didn't intend on going on that rant lol the post was directed and everyone and not you only.. I started off replying to you and just went off on a total tangent ha no need to apologize to anyone you are right that we should stick to deadlines but of course there always times when they must be changed. Apologies if you thought I directed all that at you, that wasn't my intention. Just turned into a "changing room speech" I guess haha

(I was fairly drunk at the time)

Typical Irishman then....

[kodtycoon]

@nembit56 I had a fealing someone would crack that one out. Ha did ya read about the Irish women in s.Korea that got told (in reply to an email application) that they don't want Irish cos we are all drunks and in a different place she got told (again by email) if she gets the job to lay off the drink during the week? Haha I had to chuckle at that.. The stereotype is so bad lol

[nembit86]

@nembit56 I had a fealing someone would crack that one out. Ha did ya read about the Irish women in s.Korea that got told (in reply to an email application) that they don't want Irish cos we are all drunks and in a different place she got told (again by email) if she gets the job to lay off the drink during the week? Haha I had to chuckle at that.. The stereotype is so bad lol

Yes, I did read that article but dont worry Im only just a wee bit bit behind you as I am a Scot....and I'll probably be a bit tipsy myself tonight as we are having guests and making a curry and the 2 bottles of white and 2 bottles of red WILL be consumed post haste...

[okaynow]

What is technically going on here is actually appeasement of a minority opinion of stakeholders.   The sample poll was in favor of 8 billion coins

TaunSew, sorry to be so blunt, but why dont you go crap somewhere else?

You are refferring to a poll, where as of now ONLY 59 stakeholders OUT of MORE THAN 3000 asked for two times more coins.
There is no consensus for the 8 billion coins, you are creating a fake image.

EDIT: a poll YOU started on: October 18, 2014, 01:53:28 AM » and locked it on  October 25, 2014, 01:53:28 AM

59 out of 3000+ is not a majority.

Also, on the superstition front, please give me a brake, if they were afraid of numbers, WHY ON EARTH DID THEY DECIDE to become stakeholders WHEN THEY KNEW that 4billion was the way to go?
If they were afraid of the "death" number, why did they join in the first place, it doesn't make sense.

Did they know that the coin supply would change at the end?
Stop referring to "Asians" as a uniform piece of meat.


What this is, is the personal greed of certain vocal users. Not the consensus in the community, in any way.

[3x2]

https://forum.nemcoin.com is not just working for me or anyone else having the same problem?

[nembit86]

What is technically going on here is actually appeasement of a minority opinion of stakeholders.   The sample poll was in favor of 8 billion coins

TaunSew, sorry to be so blunt, but why dont you go crap somewhere else?

You are refferring to a poll, where as of now ONLY 59 stakeholders OUT of MORE THAN 3000 asked for two times more coins.
There is no consensus for the 8 billion coins, you are creating a fake image.

EDIT: a poll YOU started on: October 18, 2014, 01:53:28 AM » and locked it on  October 25, 2014, 01:53:28 AM

59 out of 3000+ is not a majority.

Also, on the superstition front, please give me a brake, if they were afraid of numbers, WHY ON EARTH DID THEY DECIDE to become stakeholders WHEN THEY KNEW that 4billion was the way to go?
If they were afraid of the "death" number, why did they join in the first place, it doesn't make sense.

Did they know that the coin supply would change at the end?
Stop referring to "Asians" as a uniform piece of meat.


What this is, is the personal greed of certain vocal users. Not the consensus in the community, in any way.

The thing is that we dont know what the other members think because they couldnt be bothered to vote.

[okaynow]

What is technically going on here is actually appeasement of a minority opinion of stakeholders.   The sample poll was in favor of 8 billion coins

TaunSew, sorry to be so blunt, but why dont you go crap somewhere else?

You are refferring to a poll, where as of now ONLY 59 stakeholders OUT of MORE THAN 3000 asked for two times more coins.
There is no consensus for the 8 billion coins, you are creating a fake image.

EDIT: a poll YOU started on: October 18, 2014, 01:53:28 AM » and locked it on  October 25, 2014, 01:53:28 AM

59 out of 3000+ is not a majority.

Also, on the superstition front, please give me a brake, if they were afraid of numbers, WHY ON EARTH DID THEY DECIDE to become stakeholders WHEN THEY KNEW that 4billion was the way to go?
If they were afraid of the "death" number, why did they join in the first place, it doesn't make sense.

Did they know that the coin supply would change at the end?
Stop referring to "Asians" as a uniform piece of meat.


What this is, is the personal greed of certain vocal users. Not the consensus in the community, in any way.

The thing is that we dont know what the other members think because they couldnt be bothered to vote.

Well, that doesn't mean that because 59 voted, they can take 3000 people along, does it?
From what i read on the "poll", NOT ENOUGH STAKEHOLDERS ACCEPTED the plan.
It means that the plan was shot down, from the people that either did not want to vote, or  did not have a chance.

In any case, the excuses that people have put forth so far for this change is kindergarden level.

[nembit86]

What is technically going on here is actually appeasement of a minority opinion of stakeholders.   The sample poll was in favor of 8 billion coins

TaunSew, sorry to be so blunt, but why dont you go crap somewhere else?

You are refferring to a poll, where as of now ONLY 59 stakeholders OUT of MORE THAN 3000 asked for two times more coins.
There is no consensus for the 8 billion coins, you are creating a fake image.

EDIT: a poll YOU started on: October 18, 2014, 01:53:28 AM » and locked it on  October 25, 2014, 01:53:28 AM

59 out of 3000+ is not a majority.

Also, on the superstition front, please give me a brake, if they were afraid of numbers, WHY ON EARTH DID THEY DECIDE to become stakeholders WHEN THEY KNEW that 4billion was the way to go?
If they were afraid of the "death" number, why did they join in the first place, it doesn't make sense.

Did they know that the coin supply would change at the end?
Stop referring to "Asians" as a uniform piece of meat.


What this is, is the personal greed of certain vocal users. Not the consensus in the community, in any way.

The thing is that we dont know what the other members think because they couldnt be bothered to vote.

Well, that doesn't mean that because 59 voted, they can take 3000 people along, does it?
It means that the plan was shot down, from the people that either did not want to vote, or had the time.

In any case, the excuses that people have put forth so far for this change is kindergarden level.

I dont think so.

[patmast3r]

What is technically going on here is actually appeasement of a minority opinion of stakeholders.   The sample poll was in favor of 8 billion coins

TaunSew, sorry to be so blunt, but why dont you go crap somewhere else?

You are refferring to a poll, where as of now ONLY 59 stakeholders OUT of MORE THAN 3000 asked for two times more coins.
There is no consensus for the 8 billion coins, you are creating a fake image.

EDIT: a poll YOU started on: October 18, 2014, 01:53:28 AM » and locked it on  October 25, 2014, 01:53:28 AM

59 out of 3000+ is not a majority.

Also, on the superstition front, please give me a brake, if they were afraid of numbers, WHY ON EARTH DID THEY DECIDE to become stakeholders WHEN THEY KNEW that 4billion was the way to go?
If they were afraid of the "death" number, why did they join in the first place, it doesn't make sense.

Did they know that the coin supply would change at the end?
Stop referring to "Asians" as a uniform piece of meat.


What this is, is the personal greed of certain vocal users. Not the consensus in the community, in any way.

The thing is that we dont know what the other members think because they couldnt be bothered to vote.

Well, that doesn't mean that because 59 voted, they can take 3000 people along, does it?
It means that the plan was shot down, from the people that either did not want to vote, or had the time.

In any case, the excuses that people have put forth so far for this change is kindergarden level.

I dont think so.

They may not be kindergarden level but rational is something else in my book.
Each to his own...

[okaynow]

What is technically going on here is actually appeasement of a minority opinion of stakeholders.   The sample poll was in favor of 8 billion coins

TaunSew, sorry to be so blunt, but why dont you go crap somewhere else?

You are refferring to a poll, where as of now ONLY 59 stakeholders OUT of MORE THAN 3000 asked for two times more coins.
There is no consensus for the 8 billion coins, you are creating a fake image.

EDIT: a poll YOU started on: October 18, 2014, 01:53:28 AM » and locked it on  October 25, 2014, 01:53:28 AM

59 out of 3000+ is not a majority.

Also, on the superstition front, please give me a brake, if they were afraid of numbers, WHY ON EARTH DID THEY DECIDE to become stakeholders WHEN THEY KNEW that 4billion was the way to go?
If they were afraid of the "death" number, why did they join in the first place, it doesn't make sense.

Did they know that the coin supply would change at the end?
Stop referring to "Asians" as a uniform piece of meat.


What this is, is the personal greed of certain vocal users. Not the consensus in the community, in any way.

The thing is that we dont know what the other members think because they couldnt be bothered to vote.

Well, that doesn't mean that because 59 voted, they can take 3000 people along, does it?
It means that the plan was shot down, from the people that either did not want to vote, or had the time.

In any case, the excuses that people have put forth so far for this change is kindergarden level.

I dont think so.

Yeahm well this is a free world wide web, you are free to try and use a reasonable argument, instead of
"59 people are the majority of the 3000 stakeholders"
or
"asians are afraid of numbers, at launch but not when they enter the IPO"