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June 27, 2014, 02:43:37 PM
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flight to safety of German 10yr bond:

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June 27, 2014, 04:31:25 PM
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-27/america-deluded-us-slams-angry-iraq-pm-will-buy-russian-jets-instead-fight-against-i

U.S influence waning, Wonder whats on Saudi's mind at the moment.

Power shift over the flow of oil / world dominance continues. Another point for Russia.

How long before they step up economic warfare?

Us is already one step ahead they are gettint out of oil and probably have enough reserves (then technology will help) for them to continue to be on top while china middle east russia fight for the chairs at the kiddies table.
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June 27, 2014, 04:38:38 PM
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-27/america-deluded-us-slams-angry-iraq-pm-will-buy-russian-jets-instead-fight-against-i

U.S influence waning, Wonder whats on Saudi's mind at the moment.

Power shift over the flow of oil / world dominance continues. Another point for Russia.

How long before they step up economic warfare?

Us is already one step ahead they are gettint out of oil and probably have enough reserves (then technology will help) for them to continue to be on top while china middle east russia fight for the chairs at the kiddies table.

be careful. 

major indicators weakening with an ascending wedge:

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June 27, 2014, 10:29:46 PM
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boom, little b.
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June 27, 2014, 10:35:13 PM
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oh yes.
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June 27, 2014, 11:03:58 PM
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Volume coming in:

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June 28, 2014, 02:17:56 AM
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Temasek is huge:

http://www.coindesk.com/singapore-government-owned-investment-firm-experiments-bitcoin/
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June 28, 2014, 03:51:06 AM
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Oh the fund is only 22x the size of bitcoin itself   Grin

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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-27/america-deluded-us-slams-angry-iraq-pm-will-buy-russian-jets-instead-fight-against-i

U.S influence waning, Wonder whats on Saudi's mind at the moment.

Power shift over the flow of oil / world dominance continues. Another point for Russia.

How long before they step up economic warfare?

Us is already one step ahead they are gettint out of oil and probably have enough reserves (then technology will help) for them to continue to be on top while china middle east russia fight for the chairs at the kiddies table.

2 words...Dollar Repudiation
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June 28, 2014, 04:47:41 AM
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June 28, 2014, 08:08:57 AM
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-27/america-deluded-us-slams-angry-iraq-pm-will-buy-russian-jets-instead-fight-against-i

U.S influence waning, Wonder whats on Saudi's mind at the moment.

Power shift over the flow of oil / world dominance continues. Another point for Russia.

How long before they step up economic warfare?

Us is already one step ahead they are gettint out of oil and probably have enough reserves (then technology will help) for them to continue to be on top while china middle east russia fight for the chairs at the kiddies table.

be careful. 

major indicators weakening with an ascending wedge:



its 50/50 likely tending towards a bull since its already a bullish wedge. I'd bet it goes up. Usually busts happen after 2 or 3 years of earnings that are overrated. We had too many earning cycles that were underrated.
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June 28, 2014, 12:07:04 PM
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Boom. Big B.
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June 28, 2014, 12:27:59 PM
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Boom. Big B.

You're exaggerating, as you do often. But it's a good sign, yes Wink

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June 28, 2014, 05:23:19 PM
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hey FNG,

you oughta listen to this talk by Wences.  he compares and contrasts Bitcoin with gold extensively.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NERAN-89j8M&feature=youtu.be

it's a great take on how money is simply memory as outlined in this paper by the Fed's Kocherlakota:

http://www.minneapolisfed.org/research/sr/sr218.pdf

Wences makes one small mistake in the talk, however, when he said that he'd rather take a bitcoin that hadn't touched Silk Road.  well, after tomorrow, that is a non-issue.

Great find, starting at 2:45 in the video: the theory that money didn't evolve from barter but rather from that extremely familiar local practice of remembering who owes who a favor, showing that Money (analogous to capital-b "Bitcoin") actually came about as a ledger system to make this local practice more accurate and universal in its ledger-maintenance function. Money was a ledger system that used scarce physical objects to operate. From that point of view, it's extremely easy and straightforward to understand why Bitcoin is revolutionary and why it's not "worthless tokens": it's just a way better ledger than Gold or other physical-object-based ledger systems.

Rather than trying to convince people that "bitcoins are money," which is often a hard sell and takes people weeks/months/years to come around to, I believe we should be trying to convince people that "Bitcoin is a better ledger than Money," after explaining what Money really is (maybe just linking to this video at 2m45s).

Instead of spending ages trying to convince people on the back end that bitcoins are money after starting with the temptingly simplistic "bitcoins are digital coins you can send through the Internet" line, simply invest a few minutes at the start to reconceptualize their idea of money (Money; really just remind them of that thing everyone has done at some point in their lives: keeping mental track of who owes who what), then the rest flows very easily and quickly, bypassing entire classes of objections and misunderstandings. As a bonus, thinking of Bitcoin as a ledger rather than as a bunch of coins avoids many of the most common errors that even Bitcoin believers make in assessing various aspects of it, including of course investment decisions.

This guy's post on reddit is an example of how easy it can be when you do it right.
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June 28, 2014, 07:57:53 PM
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Great find, starting at 2:45 in the video: the theory that money didn't evolve from barter but rather from that extremely familiar local practice of remembering who owes who a favor, showing that Money (analogous to capital-b "Bitcoin") actually came about as a ledger system to make this local practice more accurate and universal in its ledger-maintenance function. Money was a ledger system that used scarce physical objects to operate. From that point of view, it's extremely easy and straightforward to understand why Bitcoin is revolutionary and why it's not "worthless tokens": it's just a way better ledger than Gold or other physical-object-based ledger systems.

Rather than trying to convince people that "bitcoins are money," which is often a hard sell and takes people weeks/months/years to come around to, I believe we should be trying to convince people that "Bitcoin is a better ledger than Money," after explaining what Money really is (maybe just linking to this video at 2m45s).

Instead of spending ages trying to convince people on the back end that bitcoins are money after starting with the temptingly simplistic "bitcoins are digital coins you can send through the Internet" line, simply invest a few minutes at the start to reconceptualize their idea of money (Money; really just remind them of that thing everyone has done at some point in their lives: keeping mental track of who owes who what), then the rest flows very easily and quickly, bypassing entire classes of objections and misunderstandings. As a bonus, thinking of Bitcoin as a ledger rather than as a bunch of coins avoids many of the most common errors that even Bitcoin believers make in assessing various aspects of it, including of course investment decisions.

This guy's post on reddit is an example of how easy it can be when you do it right.

Excellent post! Same goes for the reddit post you linked.

I remember how long it took me to wrap my head around Bitcoin. And once I finally understood the working principles I had at first trouble explaining them to other people in a succinct manner. Thinking of money and by extension Bitcoin as a ledger has indeed made things easier. One just has to make sure that the person they're talking to understands the concept of money as ledger and suddenly the issue of Bitcoin becomes much clearer. Then one can simply describe Bitcoin as a decentralized ledger and answer simple technical questions we all know the answers to, such as: "Who maintains the ledger?", "What do they get out of it?" and "How can you prove that the ledger hasn't been forged/altered?"


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June 28, 2014, 09:50:54 PM
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glad to see this get going.  this should be big:

http://cryptocrimson.com/2014/06/bitcoin-leveraged-bitpesa-makes-official-debut-kenya/

i first wrote about this here:


I'd like to see a video targeted towards left-leaning people that argues from their world-view-- why the existing monetary system is unfair and benefits a rich elite at the expense of the working masses.  How Bitcoin can change that and be a People-Powered money, backed not by empty promises from rich bankers but by the strength and trust of the person-to-person Bitcoin Community.  How friends and neighbors using Bitcoin can keep money in local communities.  How using Bitcoin lets you interact with people all over the world, promoting peace and understanding.  How it is better for the environment than gold mining or trucking coins and cash to and from stores and banks.

Well, I think that's what someone called "narratives".

We still need a narrative for anonymity, though.

i think the anonymity part of BTC should be downplayed.  sure its a symbol for the geek network as well as the illegal trade folks but won't be for the masses who are the critical part of this acceptance equation.  the best way to think of how BTC will be used in the future is to study M-Pesa in Kenya and why it took off like a rocket shot.  those ppl just needed an easy, inexpensive way to move money around the country w/o physically delivering it like they had been (donkey ride cross country) forced to do b/c of theft.  they don't care that Safaricom/Vodafone knows their identity when sending money; they just want to get the money to family and friends.  most of BTC use will be this way.
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June 28, 2014, 10:02:02 PM
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i think the anonymity part of BTC should be downplayed.  sure its a symbol for the geek network as well as the illegal trade folks but won't be for the masses who are the critical part of this acceptance equation.  the best way to think of how BTC will be used in the future is to study M-Pesa in Kenya and why it took off like a rocket shot.  those ppl just needed an easy, inexpensive way to move money around the country w/o physically delivering it like they had been (donkey ride cross country) forced to do b/c of theft.  they don't care that Safaricom/Vodafone knows their identity when sending money; they just want to get the money to family and friends.  most of BTC use will be this way.
People in Kenya might not care care, but ask people in Argentina how they feel about it.
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June 28, 2014, 10:14:00 PM
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i think the anonymity part of BTC should be downplayed.  sure its a symbol for the geek network as well as the illegal trade folks but won't be for the masses who are the critical part of this acceptance equation.  the best way to think of how BTC will be used in the future is to study M-Pesa in Kenya and why it took off like a rocket shot.  those ppl just needed an easy, inexpensive way to move money around the country w/o physically delivering it like they had been (donkey ride cross country) forced to do b/c of theft.  they don't care that Safaricom/Vodafone knows their identity when sending money; they just want to get the money to family and friends.  most of BTC use will be this way.
People in Kenya might not care care, but ask people in Argentina how they feel about it.

i reformatted my above post to put it back into context.  regarding anonymity, that was my thought on this back in 2011.  as you should know from reading my current view, anonymity is important.
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June 29, 2014, 02:37:47 AM
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check out James D'Angelo's Bitcoin Price Model.  especially the effect of the gold price:

http://worldbitcoinnetwork.com/BitcoinPriceModel-Alpha.html
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June 29, 2014, 03:10:32 AM
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Bank Run!

http://stratrisks.com/geostrat/20075
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June 29, 2014, 03:20:45 AM
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interesting fresh interview of john perkins - writer of confessions of economic hitman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrWKlhrytwA

"between 'lives' we all have a great laugh about the parts we have performed in the 'play', and look forward to and have great fun preparing the next chapters to act out."
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