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I'm looking forward to the launch of the first spin-offs later in the year.  Significant progress has recently been made on the UTXO parser for producing the blockchain snapshot files: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563972.msg7602258#msg7602258

Is Nxt or Nem now fully open-source and clone-able using the spin-off method?  

I'm really curious how the market dynamics will play out between the alt-coin and the alt-clone (credit to Cypherdoc for the term Smiley).

I'm looking forward to this as well!

There are some posters in this thread whose rhetoric surrounding alt-coins seem really pushy and aggressive to me. With the launch of alt-clones we might see whether they really care about the tech or just want to pump some coin for personal profit Smiley

btw the last 3 pages have been seriously off-topic.
I wasn't trying to pump the coins. Read all my posts bar the most recent in this thread. I was trying to get an answer as to why senior members seem to shun second gen coins. Not pump. I'm never usually this, frustrated but this persistent cold shouldering and selective hearing when dealing with second gens was really p-ing me off. I just wanted answers as to why it happens but as you can see I didn't get any.

Nxt is open source nem is only in open alpa so still closed. And don't base an entire cryptocurrency on one person's comments. If you read the comments you will see I'm looking for an answer that nook one so far has been able to give?

Because there have been so many and nearly all of them are scams. I don't know about you, but I don't have time to investigate all of them, so it's safest to assume it's not interesting for investment until proven otherwise (the high scam rating is also why I'm mostly annoyed with the pump and dumps things and hence ignore most).

Further, I know for a fact that 1) Bitcoin is NOT a scam and 2) it's highly dynamic: meaning if something truly interesting is developed it is extremely likely that it will be incorporated into the Bitcoin protocol.

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July 08, 2014, 11:38:16 AM
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I'm looking forward to the launch of the first spin-offs later in the year.  Significant progress has recently been made on the UTXO parser for producing the blockchain snapshot files: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563972.msg7602258#msg7602258

Is Nxt or Nem now fully open-source and clone-able using the spin-off method?  

I'm really curious how the market dynamics will play out between the alt-coin and the alt-clone (credit to Cypherdoc for the term Smiley).

I'm looking forward to this as well!

There are some posters in this thread whose rhetoric surrounding alt-coins seem really pushy and aggressive to me. With the launch of alt-clones we might see whether they really care about the tech or just want to pump some coin for personal profit Smiley

btw the last 3 pages have been seriously off-topic.
I wasn't trying to pump the coins. Read all my posts bar the most recent in this thread. I was trying to get an answer as to why senior members seem to shun second gen coins. Not pump. I'm never usually this, frustrated but this persistent cold shouldering and selective hearing when dealing with second gens was really p-ing me off. I just wanted answers as to why it happens but as you can see I didn't get any.

Nxt is open source nem is only in open alpa so still closed. And don't base an entire cryptocurrency on one person's comments. If you read the comments you will see I'm looking for an answer that nook one so far has been able to give?

Because there have been so many and nearly all of them are scams. I don't know about you, but I don't have time to investigate all of them, so it's safest to assume it's not interesting for investment until proven otherwise (the high scam rating is also why I'm mostly annoyed with the pump and dumps things and hence ignore most).

Further, I know for a fact that 1) Bitcoin is NOT a scam and 2) it's highly dynamic: meaning if something truly interesting is developed it is extremely likely that it will be incorporated into the Bitcoin protocol.
even the bitcoin devs have said they cant incorporate anything into the bitcoin protocol? they even admited anytime an idea is brought up that it just turns into a flaring argument so development has come to a grinding halt and now its just one dev working on bitcoin and thats it. they cant do anything with it for fear of messing it up. bitcoin will be the same in 5 years as it is now, bar perhaps getting more zeros after the decimal. i hate the pump and dump schemes too, your not alone. you will regret ignoring nxt and nem lol just do yourself a favor and reearch the technology, look into why they are superior protocols to bitcoin. look into the major advances they have made in the crypto space. even vitalik buterin stopped by the nxt forum a couple days ago and totaly changed his mind about nxt.

and is having an ethereum death blow ready for full testing not "interesting" lol how could putting ethereum out of the game not "interesting enough"?

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July 08, 2014, 02:44:08 PM
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"In the future, in the Internet generation, every country will slowly relax sovereign control and even dilute the concept of sovereignty."

http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/pboc-official-sovereignty-bitcoin-internet-age-will-change-china-around-world/2014/07/07

"country will relax" my ass. We shall starve and suffocate them.

The officials will have no budget. Their pensions are extinguished. Their salaries are inflated away. The politicians will be laughed at, when they try to offer spoils to the voters. The servicemen abroad will, when their machinery stops due to lack of maintenance, when they have no fuel for their warships for lack of pay, when they have no food left, quietly leave the warships, team up with a local woman and start small scale vegetable production, forget to write home.



You nailed it. Statists will have to compete for our bitcoins by offering their "services" on a voluntary basis. Fewer and fewer proposals will get funded and individuals overall will prosper. I can't think of a more exciting time to be alive.


I think we may see a "hollowing out" of government but I think your vision is too much.  In a world of declining resources relative to population, defense may still be very important.  But internal services and the attached regulatory bodies that are currently centralized for trust reasons (taxi medallions, hotels, etc) will move to decentralized models.  And blockchain technology will remove much of the legal work relating to tracking ownership of titles, stocks, bonds, etc.  However, local government will still be required to protect long term investment against externalities (i.e. you can't build that noisy, polluting factory right next to our neighborhood without buying all the houses in it first because you will ruin the quality of life for all residents).




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July 08, 2014, 03:10:42 PM
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the roll:

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July 08, 2014, 03:18:51 PM
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Innovation, coherent and targeted marketing, corporate design style guides, laser focused developers working together, pumping out features faster then you can say fiat: http://nxter.org/nxt-newsletter-14/. Ignore at your own peril.
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July 08, 2014, 03:21:58 PM
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"In the future, in the Internet generation, every country will slowly relax sovereign control and even dilute the concept of sovereignty."

http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/pboc-official-sovereignty-bitcoin-internet-age-will-change-china-around-world/2014/07/07

"country will relax" my ass. We shall starve and suffocate them.

The officials will have no budget. Their pensions are extinguished. Their salaries are inflated away. The politicians will be laughed at, when they try to offer spoils to the voters. The servicemen abroad will, when their machinery stops due to lack of maintenance, when they have no fuel for their warships for lack of pay, when they have no food left, quietly leave the warships, team up with a local woman and start small scale vegetable production, forget to write home.



Try to learn from what happened to the USSR. The government will not stay a whole but will fall apart as everyone will try to grab what they can as they head for the exit to safeguard their own future.

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July 08, 2014, 03:23:11 PM
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stocks topping?  ending diagonal...
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July 08, 2014, 03:25:25 PM
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Innovation, coherent and targeted marketing, corporate design style guides, laser focused developers working together, pumping out features faster then you can say fiat: http://nxter.org/nxt-newsletter-14/. Ignore at your own peril.

i don't think so.

was it NXT or NEM founders who paid a measly total of 21 BTC for their initial distribution?
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"This could in effect make the banks part of what would begin to look like a war council,” Grayson said in an e-mail. “Congress needs to keep an eye on what something like this could mean.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-07-08/banks-dreading-computer-hacks-call-for-cyber-war-council.html
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Innovation, coherent and targeted marketing, corporate design style guides, laser focused developers working together, pumping out features faster then you can say fiat: http://nxter.org/nxt-newsletter-14/. Ignore at your own peril.

i don't think so.

was it NXT or NEM founders who paid a measly total of 21 BTC for their initial distribution?

It was nxt, but it really doesn't matter how much they paid. Just like a company their time and effort they put in building up an ecosystem is far more valuable and their initial buy in stake.
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July 08, 2014, 03:39:11 PM
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Here's the asset exchange running in a web browser. This is a global decentralized database that can be accessed and used from any application anywhere in the world. From MMO assets to company shares anything can plug into this api.

https://trade.secureae.com/#2950240446121913764

Btc and Nxt can compliment each other quite nicely. This isn't a one or the other game.
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July 08, 2014, 03:41:07 PM
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"In the future, in the Internet generation, every country will slowly relax sovereign control and even dilute the concept of sovereignty."

http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/pboc-official-sovereignty-bitcoin-internet-age-will-change-china-around-world/2014/07/07

"country will relax" my ass. We shall starve and suffocate them.

The officials will have no budget. Their pensions are extinguished. Their salaries are inflated away. The politicians will be laughed at, when they try to offer spoils to the voters. The servicemen abroad will, when their machinery stops due to lack of maintenance, when they have no fuel for their warships for lack of pay, when they have no food left, quietly leave the warships, team up with a local woman and start small scale vegetable production, forget to write home.



You nailed it. Statists will have to compete for our bitcoins by offering their "services" on a voluntary basis. Fewer and fewer proposals will get funded and individuals overall will prosper. I can't think of a more exciting time to be alive.

The best part, it may be done without violence. When the money dies, the middle class (those who earn enough to save or invest if they want), will be wiped out, hungry scared. Maloney thinks that if many middle classers have some gold, we can avoid the dictatorship. I think that bitcoin can fullfill this role. We need adoption to go to may be 10 per cent before the crisis. That is two years.


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July 08, 2014, 03:42:25 PM
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Here's the asset exchange running in a web browser. This is a global decentralized database that can be accessed and used from any application anywhere in the world. From MMO assets to company shares anything can plug into this api.

https://trade.secureae.com/#2950240446121913764

Btc and Nxt can compliment each other quite nicely. This isn't a one or the other game.

nice site.

hmmm....

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July 08, 2014, 03:44:04 PM
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Here's the asset exchange running in a web browser. This is a global decentralized database that can be accessed and used from any application anywhere in the world. From MMO assets to company shares anything can plug into this api.

https://trade.secureae.com/#12465186738101000735

Btc and Nxt can compliment each other quite nicely. This isn't a one or the other game.

fixed for you! Wink

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"In the future, in the Internet generation, every country will slowly relax sovereign control and even dilute the concept of sovereignty."

http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/pboc-official-sovereignty-bitcoin-internet-age-will-change-china-around-world/2014/07/07

"country will relax" my ass. We shall starve and suffocate them.

The officials will have no budget. Their pensions are extinguished. Their salaries are inflated away. The politicians will be laughed at, when they try to offer spoils to the voters. The servicemen abroad will, when their machinery stops due to lack of maintenance, when they have no fuel for their warships for lack of pay, when they have no food left, quietly leave the warships, team up with a local woman and start small scale vegetable production, forget to write home.



You nailed it. Statists will have to compete for our bitcoins by offering their "services" on a voluntary basis. Fewer and fewer proposals will get funded and individuals overall will prosper. I can't think of a more exciting time to be alive.

The best part, it may be done without violence. When the money dies, the middle class (those who earn enough to save or invest if they want), will be wiped out, hungry scared. Maloney thinks that if many middle classers have some gold, we can avoid the dictatorship. I think that bitcoin can fullfill this role. We need adoption to go to may be 10 per cent before the crisis. That is two years.



well, the way i see it, Bitcoin is waiting for something after having clearly broken the downtrend and made a significant move off the bottom.  that something is likely big.  and the move is likely to be UP.
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July 08, 2014, 03:46:04 PM
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Here's the asset exchange running in a web browser. This is a global decentralized database that can be accessed and used from any application anywhere in the world. From MMO assets to company shares anything can plug into this api.

https://trade.secureae.com/#2950240446121913764

Btc and Nxt can compliment each other quite nicely. This isn't a one or the other game.

nice site.

hmmm....



fixed. long term time scale chart on first link.

http://www.nxtreporting.com/?as=12465186738101000735

https://trade.secureae.com/#12465186738101000735

also trade.secure isnt the nxt client, its just a website that interfaces with it so you can trade on the AE with out running nrs(nxt software)

also, this is another reason to be interested in PoS/Pos+PoI coins http://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/2a2on3/soooooo_what_the_hell_is_happening_with_this/

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July 08, 2014, 03:48:18 PM
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"In the future, in the Internet generation, every country will slowly relax sovereign control and even dilute the concept of sovereignty."

http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/pboc-official-sovereignty-bitcoin-internet-age-will-change-china-around-world/2014/07/07

"country will relax" my ass. We shall starve and suffocate them.

The officials will have no budget. Their pensions are extinguished. Their salaries are inflated away. The politicians will be laughed at, when they try to offer spoils to the voters. The servicemen abroad will, when their machinery stops due to lack of maintenance, when they have no fuel for their warships for lack of pay, when they have no food left, quietly leave the warships, team up with a local woman and start small scale vegetable production, forget to write home.



You nailed it. Statists will have to compete for our bitcoins by offering their "services" on a voluntary basis. Fewer and fewer proposals will get funded and individuals overall will prosper. I can't think of a more exciting time to be alive.

The best part, it may be done without violence. When the money dies, the middle class (those who earn enough to save or invest if they want), will be wiped out, hungry scared. Maloney thinks that if many middle classers have some gold, we can avoid the dictatorship. I think that bitcoin can fullfill this role. We need adoption to go to may be 10 per cent before the crisis. That is two years.



well, the way i see it, Bitcoin is waiting for something after having clearly broken the downtrend and made a significant move off the bottom.  that something is likely big.  and the move is likely to be UP.

And it's likely very soon. It will be epic as always Smiley

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July 08, 2014, 03:49:33 PM
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"In the future, in the Internet generation, every country will slowly relax sovereign control and even dilute the concept of sovereignty."

http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/pboc-official-sovereignty-bitcoin-internet-age-will-change-china-around-world/2014/07/07

"country will relax" my ass. We shall starve and suffocate them.

The officials will have no budget. Their pensions are extinguished. Their salaries are inflated away. The politicians will be laughed at, when they try to offer spoils to the voters. The servicemen abroad will, when their machinery stops due to lack of maintenance, when they have no fuel for their warships for lack of pay, when they have no food left, quietly leave the warships, team up with a local woman and start small scale vegetable production, forget to write home.



You nailed it. Statists will have to compete for our bitcoins by offering their "services" on a voluntary basis. Fewer and fewer proposals will get funded and individuals overall will prosper. I can't think of a more exciting time to be alive.

The best part, it may be done without violence. When the money dies, the middle class (those who earn enough to save or invest if they want), will be wiped out, hungry scared. Maloney thinks that if many middle classers have some gold, we can avoid the dictatorship. I think that bitcoin can fullfill this role. We need adoption to go to may be 10 per cent before the crisis. That is two years.



well, the way i see it, Bitcoin is waiting for something after having clearly broken the downtrend and made a significant move off the bottom.  that something is likely big.  and the move is likely to be UP.

And it's likely very soon. It will be epic as always Smiley

yes, i neglected to say that. 

we won't be going sideways for 2 yrs that's for sure.
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"In the future, in the Internet generation, every country will slowly relax sovereign control and even dilute the concept of sovereignty."

http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/pboc-official-sovereignty-bitcoin-internet-age-will-change-china-around-world/2014/07/07

"country will relax" my ass. We shall starve and suffocate them.

The officials will have no budget. Their pensions are extinguished. Their salaries are inflated away. The politicians will be laughed at, when they try to offer spoils to the voters. The servicemen abroad will, when their machinery stops due to lack of maintenance, when they have no fuel for their warships for lack of pay, when they have no food left, quietly leave the warships, team up with a local woman and start small scale vegetable production, forget to write home.



You nailed it. Statists will have to compete for our bitcoins by offering their "services" on a voluntary basis. Fewer and fewer proposals will get funded and individuals overall will prosper. I can't think of a more exciting time to be alive.

The best part, it may be done without violence. When the money dies, the middle class (those who earn enough to save or invest if they want), will be wiped out, hungry scared. Maloney thinks that if many middle classers have some gold, we can avoid the dictatorship. I think that bitcoin can fullfill this role. We need adoption to go to may be 10 per cent before the crisis. That is two years.



well, the way i see it, Bitcoin is waiting for something after having clearly broken the downtrend and made a significant move off the bottom.  that something is likely big.  and the move is likely to be UP.

And it's likely very soon. It will be epic as always Smiley

yes, i neglected to say that. 

we won't be going sideways for 2 yrs that's for sure.

2 years is a sure thing. I am thinking weeks though Wink. (Of course it's impossible to be certain).

correct timeframe.  at most we're forming a bull flag that will take that long, but then...
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July 08, 2014, 04:30:20 PM
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i'm pleased to say that on 7/4 at a party, i was able to send demo BTC to the iPhone of a CEO of a biotech company.  

i'd never browsed the iPhone app store before but simply searching "Bitcoin" brought up loads of stuff including a few wallets.  he was thoroughly impressed and had actually approached me about Bitcoin since he knew i was involved back when the price was around $80. he now gets it and will be entering the space i'm sure. 

i've been waiting to be able to do this for the longest time and it is a powerful way to demonstrate the utility of Bitcoin to anyone with a smartphone now.
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