Scientific proof that God exists?

[IadixDev]

When coincidence are systematic and all natural science come from alchemy it start to make it reasonable to think it's more than coincidence lol

All the al - starting thing are Arabic, al-gebra , al- chemy , al- gorithm , etc

Al = the

Gebra = gebber = jabir (book of balance first mention of algebra ever)

Chemy = you guessed ( hint on the cover of boyle book )


Etc


Again it's just objective study of the thing ..


It's more the contrary that is quite the exception ...

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[Przemax]

Like I wrote before.

I admitt you almost won the debate just like alchemists are almost chemists.

Maybe its more than coincidence. Its more like people are doing the same silly stuff as others. If one is doing others are doing it too. Its called being a human - I think its prerequisite to being protoscientist. Yeah I think being human is not a coincidence.

[IadixDev]

It's hard to miss this when really studying the origin of things.

To me the only two real schools are really metaphysics and rationalism.

The greatest genius like jabir or liebniz were able to concile the two path.

It's even said there can be alchemical reading of the bible, with crucifixion and resurection and this whole she Bang as process of transformation .

Crucifix can be an alchemical symbol.

But yeah it all comes down to human mind processing of things.

I dont think it make much sense to separate religion and science, outside of the context of pure industry and profit making, the two are always very intricate with each others.

It's even almost funny how most "scientist" ignore this side of things while it's all over the place when looking into it out of the context of engineering school formating.

[Przemax]

It's hard to miss this when really studying the origin of things.

To me the only two real schools are really metaphysics and rationalism.

That all depends on definitions. Im not aware how you define those two. In my honest opinion if you believe there are only two you should stick to dualism. Because if you like pairs dualism is the way to go. Why only two?

I believe in anti-ism personaly.

[IadixDev]

Ultimately the true genius are always able to concile the two.

It's all the things with light vs matter, earth vs heaven, mind vs body etc

It's said the goal of the highest form of alchemy is also union of opposites.

All chemistry deal with electron ( - charges) proton ( + charges) etc.

Mathematics as in Pythagoras is the most elaborated system to deal with opposites in a single coherent system. It's why it's so efficient in all areas of sciences.

[Przemax]

It's even said there can be alchemical reading of the bible, with crucifixion and resurection and this whole she Bang as process of transformation .

Maybe there are. But the message of the Bible is easy for everybody. Why should I search between the lines? Jesus had said that he is not hiding anything. There is no hidden message - no secret society with secret knowledge needed.

And the holy ghost is helping people to understand even that easy straightforward message. It can be as deep as you want. Message of the gospel is wonderful, it is as easy and as hard as you want it. I'ts like the best designed computer game. Rules are simple, but it's as complex and sophisticated like you are. It's very lovely.

Ultimately the true genius are always able to concile the two.

It's all the things with light vs matter, earth vs heaven, mind vs body etc

It's said the goal of the highest form of alchemy is also union of opposites.

All chemistry deal with electron ( - charges) proton ( + charges) etc.

Mathematics as in Pythagoras is the most elaborated system to deal with opposites in a single coherent system. It's why it's so efficient in all areas of sciences.

I like to keep my mind open to any possibility. Dualism would mean, that I close the door to knowledge, because I would always seek two's. I would ignore the one's third's seventh's lol - I hope you get the point.

[IadixDev]

He says more that nothing will be hidden, as everything will be revealed one day for those who seek. As in all can be known for seekers.


For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.

It's always using future tense if im not mistaken, implying things are hidden or concealed at some point.


Many of the wises says key to wisdom is able to hold paradoxes or contradictory belief in one's mind.

Recognizing dualism doesnt necessarily mean only holding to one side.

[Przemax]

For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.

Yes. He is not speaking about his own message. He is speaking that there are secrets. Yes they are. Ofcourse.

Christians are to be given the gift of holy spirit. The gift to discern. I think I have one.

Many of the wises says key to wisdom is able to hold paradoxes or contradictory belief in one's mind.

Recognizing dualism doesnt necessarily mean only holding to one side.

Thats not what I was saying. Preconcived notions are in my opinion always bad. The notions of binarity is one such a preconcieved notion.

[IadixDev]

In a way even the Christian cross is a sign of dualism, with vertical vs horizontal, etc

Belief as thought are ok, as long as they are recognized as such, and not clung unto eternally.

All wisdom will be un done etc

It's the principle of impermanence in budhism.


The problem is more attachement to a belief or vision of reality than the belief itself.


As long as there is doubt in one hearth about a belief, there is way to improve


Non dualism can be preconcieved notion too   Or might require some mental effort to be held.

[Przemax]

In a way even the Christian cross is a sign of dualism, with vertical vs horizontal, etc

Belief as thought are ok, as long as they are recognized as such, and not clung unto eternally.

All wisdom will be un done etc

It's the principle of impermanence in budhism.


The problem is more attachement to a belief or vision of reality than the belief itself.


As long as there is doubt in one hearth about a belief, there is way to improve


Non dualism can be preconcieved notion too   Or might require some mental effort to be held.

You cannot meet the kingdom of the God if you go the path of preconcieved notions. Non dualism is not a notion it does not exist.

"For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it." Matthew 7:13-14

[IadixDev]

Non dualism already imply the notion of dualism


Non Ism is also an ism  


Non dualism can only make sense as integration of all forms of dualism and opposites  



There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call— one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.



But above all, my brothers, do not swear, either by heaven or by earth or by any other oath, but let your “yes” be yes and your “no” be no, so that you may not fall under condemnation

[Przemax]

You need open heart, open soul and open mind. Or maybe something else as well. But as you can see its not only two's.

Or in other words - fuck the world and its ideas. Open your heart to Jesus.

Thats the only intermediary to the God. No binary other. You said you had read the bible.

"6Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." John 14:6

[IadixDev]

Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. This man came to Jesus by night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him.” Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?” Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. ...



Is this one still a mystery to you ?  


Even the one you quote imply dualism as in going through the father or not.


The word "except" imply dualism.

[Przemax]

Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. This man came to Jesus by night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him.” Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?” Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. ...



Is this one still a mystery to you ?  


Even the one you quote imply dualism as in going through the father or not.


The word "except" imply dualism.

Are you born again in one Spirit? Or two spirits? One right?

You are mistaking a substance with a process. How many ways there are to the kingdom of God. one - right? On what thrones does Jesus says he sits in the heaven - his father - right? How many thrones that is. One.

The word "except" denies dualism at best.

[IadixDev]

Recognition of the one path imply recognition of what is outside of this path too.


And God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night.

[Przemax]

Recognition of the one path imply recognition of what is outside of this path too.

Not necessarly. One can not be aware of any other paths. There are various of different paths. But there is only one gate that is correct.

There are million ways to be wrong but only one to be right. Thats not dualism. Thats millionism. There are infinite ways to be wrong and sinful.

Could you stop implying two's exist in the bible? Yeah as well as three's fours's five's one's. I have already prove there is more divisions than two's, or even no division. You like to generalise - ok. Thats as much as you can get with preconcieved notion and as close to the gate of destruction of this world.

[IadixDev]

Right and wrong is dualism 

[Przemax]

Right and wrong is dualism  

You can say that being wrong is only a shadow of rightousness. Just like a darkness is a lack of light. You can say it does not exist.

Just like a death is the lack of life. It only a mere shadow. It does not exist. Its a negation. You can easily negate the negation with no effort.

Clearly it's not equal to eachother.

Maybe you are just negative thats why you seek negativity everywhere.

[IadixDev]

Existence & non existence is root of dualism.

[Przemax]

Existence & non existence is root of dualism.

You like to play with shadows don't you? Non existence does not exist....

I don't like this silly shadow game. It's an illusion. I'll pass here.