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July 05, 2017, 11:37:24 PM
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Big jump in hash rate since I last checked, and a big drop in active nodes .  People have moved coins where they need to be and settling in to wait...

MoneroBlocks was offline for a few days. Therefore, also keeping in mind that they most likely had to restart their daemon, it is probably not seeing all the (full) nodes yet. This geomap shows a relatively stable node count:

https://monerobase.com/geomap/

I was citing monerohash.com  which is still showing 880 range.  Monerobase.com is 11xx, which is what I had expected to see (if not higher, with the hashing jump). 

FWIW my node has not been counted by MoneroHash for months and Monerbase doesn't show it now and I am unsure if they ever did.  No reason why it shouldn't be seen.

I have to restart my node occasionally for reasons unrelated to Monero, with the last time 6 days ago.

As far as the price, whatever.  I will be here whenever "it" happens.

In other news I have been using Monero for legal transactions which has/will been/be a slight improvement of the pessimal velocity Cool Roll Eyes Kiss Grin Smiley
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July 05, 2017, 11:39:58 PM
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AlphaBay disappearing having any effect on XMR... you guys think?

They are not disappearing.  Whatever the problem they have stated that they are restarting their servers.
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July 05, 2017, 11:49:52 PM
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AlphaBay disappearing having any effect on XMR... you guys think?

They are not disappearing.  Whatever the problem they have stated that they are restarting their servers.

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July 06, 2017, 01:34:41 AM
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noob here, but why would you return to BTC after XMR goes to 60?
I do not intend that I would convert holdings to btc with xmr over 60usd, but rather that gains on market making operations will be taken off exchange in the form of btc, rather than xmr.  I could certainly change.my mind about the number, but at some level - and a previous ATH is a natural resistance and support level - in the interests of increasing the likelihood that I am buying low and selling high, I would book in btc so that upon a retrace I could compound by trending towards all-in xmr.  One should never run out of powder.  I like to buy powder when it is cheap.  But the purpose of powder is to be used, at some point, when weakness is observed.

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July 06, 2017, 04:29:35 AM
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Hi all! I need to spam here in the name of Monero!

One ukrainian exchange started a voting to add Monero! If you have a Facebook-account, just goddamn "like" under this post.

https://www.facebook.com/nvctradeua/posts/1122840561194229

Done , hope this helps! Wink
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July 06, 2017, 05:11:20 AM
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Hi all! I need to spam here in the name of Monero!

One ukrainian exchange started a voting to add Monero! If you have a Facebook-account, just goddamn "like" under this post.

https://www.facebook.com/nvctradeua/posts/1122840561194229

Done , hope this helps! Wink
Still,  "100% community driven" seems less effective than Dash's way - "100% bribes driven".
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July 06, 2017, 05:13:06 AM
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AlphaBay disappearing having any effect on XMR... you guys think?

If they really exit scammed, I'm pretty sure XMR is one of the cryptocurrencies they'd wanna park and hide some of their value.  Putting it all in ETH doesn't make sense and holding a ton of BTC on August 1 could potentially be a bad idea (depending on who you ask).

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July 06, 2017, 08:06:50 AM
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Done , hope this helps! Wink

Thanks!

Few words about this voting.
This is a biggest ukrainian exchange, also is a comfortable for deposit/withdraw local currency.

So thanks to all Montero's and your "likes"  Wink

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July 06, 2017, 09:08:48 AM
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Hi all! I need to spam here in the name of Monero!

One ukrainian exchange started a voting to add Monero! If you have a Facebook-account, just goddamn "like" under this post.

https://www.facebook.com/nvctradeua/posts/1122840561194229

done

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July 06, 2017, 10:31:26 AM
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Done , hope this helps! Wink

Thanks!

Few words about this voting.
This is a biggest ukrainian exchange, also is a comfortable for deposit/withdraw local currency.

So thanks to all Montero's and your "likes"  Wink

Ukraine.....must be hotspot for shady markets as well.
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July 06, 2017, 10:35:54 AM
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Ukraine.....must be hotspot for shady markets as well.

The best shady market is a government. 

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July 06, 2017, 12:23:47 PM
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Ukraine.....must be hotspot for shady markets as well.

The best shady market is a government.  

If you're in Russia or Ukraine or other former USSSR clones I full agree...oh yeah and 99% of the middle east and Asia
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July 06, 2017, 12:28:20 PM
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The best shady market is a government.  

If you're in Russia or Ukraine or other former USSSR clones I full agree...oh yeah and 99% of the middle east and Asia

You forgot Eastern Europe, the Balkans (not necessary USSR clones) and Africa.
Poor countries are usually this poor because of the shady governments.

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July 06, 2017, 12:32:06 PM
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The best shady market is a government.  

If you're in Russia or Ukraine or other former USSSR clones I full agree...oh yeah and 99% of the middle east and Asia

You forgot Eastern Europe, the Balkans (not necessary USSR clones) and Africa.
Poor countries are usually this poor because of the shady governments.

Shit yes...I also forgot about australia the UK and the US
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July 06, 2017, 12:40:22 PM
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The best shady market is a government.  

If you're in Russia or Ukraine or other former USSSR clones I full agree...oh yeah and 99% of the middle east and Asia

You forgot Eastern Europe, the Balkans (not necessary USSR clones) and Africa.
Poor countries are usually this poor because of the shady governments.

Shit yes...I also forgot about australia the UK and the US

 UK is not so bad , really
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July 06, 2017, 12:42:20 PM
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The best shady market is a government.  

If you're in Russia or Ukraine or other former USSSR clones I full agree...oh yeah and 99% of the middle east and Asia

You forgot Eastern Europe, the Balkans (not necessary USSR clones) and Africa.
Poor countries are usually this poor because of the shady governments.

Shit yes...I also forgot about australia the UK and the US

Cheesy From what I know they are not so poor and corrupted, but I won't argue with you  Cheesy


Back on business: Monero seems to have an undecided direction. The short time speculators have a great day, I guess.
Any idea what's next? 0.025BTC? Or I wish too much?

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July 06, 2017, 12:46:35 PM
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Supply consists of dishoarding, transaction churn, and mining.  Mining means almost nothing, relative to daily volume.  Dishoarding seems to have come to its end, at this price, leaving market makers and transactional flips to dominate the exchanges.  The flip rate appears to be, therefore, about 3mm USD per diem.  Using pq=mv and assuming the pessimal velocity of 365 / escrow time (21d) = 17.4, we can estimate the transactional float as 3mm*365 / 17.4 = m = 63mm USD = 1.3mm XMR. (The global velocity is then about 1.6, which is rather low for a healthy economy but pretty good compared to major global currencies ATM).

Assuming reserve demand to be stable (again, a pessimistic assumption), doubling the transaction rate while holding velocity steady should double the clearing price.  Pessimistically, then, the clearing price should be directly proportional to transaction flow rate.

There are thus three ways to increase the clearing price: Add reserve demand (reducing the effective float), add transaction demand (increasing the size of the economy) or decrease the velocity (reducing transactional supply).

In fact, I would expect velocity of the effective float to rise rather than fall, so hope of future appreciation is either speculation (on the madness of crowds), or else it is dependent on the fundamental assumption of rising reserve and/or transactional demand.  In practice these two demand factors are highly correlated:  observing a rising transactional demand motivates an increased reserve demand, while a rising price motivates dishoarding, which is subject to re-hoarding in a process of saver churn, known as "stronger hands".  

Notionally, the reserve market is discounting the future transactional market as well as its own dishoarding rate.  R_now = R_eq  + r * Dt * (dM/dt + dR/dP) , where Dt is the equilibrium horizon, P is the clearing price, dR/dP is a negative value, - dR/dP << dM/dt, and r is a discounting ratio per unit of t (time).  For fixed velocity, then, knowing the growth rate of the transactional market, dM/dt, would allow one to estimate the mean discounting rate and the dishoarding rate by observing a sequence of equilibrium prices, and hence provide a prediction of the price over time as a functor parameterized by the equilibrium horizon.  (I made one particularly egregious simplification, of the kind that motivates the moniker "dismal science", in order to keep this post short).

I am slowly buying below 45$ these days, and my daily return on market making capital is now less than 50bp.  I have returned to booking gains as XMR until the next time XMR exceeds $60, whereupon I intend to return to booking gains in BTC.


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July 06, 2017, 01:48:24 PM
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Anyone think we'll see an XMR/BTC all time high soon? Or are we way off?
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July 06, 2017, 02:42:00 PM
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Back on business: Monero seems to have an undecided direction. The short time speculators have a great day, I guess.
Any idea what's next? 0.025BTC? Or I wish too much?

Polo has a sizable sell wall at that amount. I noticed it around six weeks ago...anyone know how long it's been there?

I think we'll hit 0.025BTC after multisig is fully released AND Coinomi includes Monero, both of which should happen "soon."

Comparison of Privacy-Centric Coins: https://moneroforcash.com/monero-vs-dash-vs-zcash-vs-bitcoinmixers.php also includes Verge and Pivx
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July 06, 2017, 02:43:42 PM
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Putting it all in ETH doesn't make sense and holding a ton of BTC on August 1 could potentially be a bad idea (depending on who you ask).
Unfortunately I feel like a drop in Bitcoin's price would hurt all cryptocurrencies, so I'm just HODLing my BTC and hoping it skyrockets instead of dropping...

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