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November 19, 2014, 07:20:33 AM
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where auto bet button here? Wink

Is it worth it to use the autobet button here?

Autobetting could be very useful if you want to aim for the "Most unlikely win" daily 0.1 btc prize. Smiley

We were using an auto clicker at one point when stress testing the site. It could be used for placing lots of bets and catch leader board positions too. We will add auto rolling with bet adjustment rules, sounds and many more neat things as soon as possible. If you wanna try the auto clicker, here it is: http://download.cnet.com/Auto-Clicker-by-Shocker/3000-2084_4-75742161.html

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November 19, 2014, 07:31:46 AM
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Also, now that people mention it -- I checked and see you took the 0.01 from my account too, despite there being a deposit (0.1 BTC) within ~2 minutes of the account created.

I honestly don't give a shit about 0.01, but this whole thing makes me incredibly uncomfortable. And is in fact the second time my account balance has been subject to arbitrary manipulation. Before I ever come back to satoshidice, I'd like to see accounts have a full history of how you derived what their balance is (aka: giveaway, affiliates, deposits, withdrawals, bets) so i can check it, as I've basically lost all trust in this site.

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You (espringe) still have the 0.01 free giveaway in your original account. That other account didn't make any rolls during the giveaway. There were several people creating multiple accounts and not playing, so we left their original free 0.01 accounts but reset the accounts that were not used.

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November 19, 2014, 07:34:46 AM
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Can you, please, reply to my PM?

I'm not affiliated with SatoshiDice in any way, but can I reply unofficially on their behalf?

"Fuck you, and fuck your ineffective DDoS attacks. We're not paying you a single satoshi."

The DDoS guy gave up pretty quickly it seems. If we may, we'll quote that line of yours if there's more DDoS blackmail being sent in our direction in the future.

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November 19, 2014, 07:48:25 AM
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totalBetsTodayInSatoshis and totalBets24HInSatoshis are the same, but totalWinsTodayInSatoshis and totalWins24HInSatoshis aren't the same. That can't be right!

This is corrected now, it was adding up all roll prizes no matter if they were actually won or not. Thanks for pointing this out!

No problem.

I think I found another error, or maybe I'm just misunderstanding.

The first two leaderboards: "most won" and "most profit" are both about single bet results, right? "most won" is sorted by the total payout including stake, and "most profit" is sorted by the profit (excluding stake). Both require a bet of 0.001 BTC or more to qualify.

The bet in 2nd place in "most won" profited over 1 BTC, which is more than any of the profits on "most profit". Why isn't that bet shown on the "most profit" leaderboard?

Here are screenshots:

"most won":



"most profit":



Yes, this is not sorting properly, do you remember if this fixed itself after some minutes or if it remained like this? Did you see some of the bets being inserted while you were looking at the tabs or did they appear static?

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November 19, 2014, 07:51:05 AM
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Yes, this is not sorting properly, do you remember if this fixed itself after some minutes or if it remained like this? Did you see some of the bets being inserted while you were looking at the tabs or did they appear static?

It stayed bad for a few days, then seemed to get fixed. The page didn't change while I was watching it - it seemed like it wasn't updating at all, or was delayed by many hours.

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November 19, 2014, 09:08:35 AM
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What makes a site "good" in your opinion?

Rate the following 8 features from most important to least important:

* design (safe-dice looks pretty)
* house edge (satoshidice has 1.9% house edge, most have 1%)
* speed (some sites have very fast betting)
* provable fairness (can they prove that the rolls are fair?)
* reputation (will the site let you withdraw if you win?)
* crowd-fundedness (can you invest in the bankroll?)
* community (is there chat? is it good?)
* novelty (do they offer anything different like range bets, jackpots, etc.?)

This is my opinion:

1. reputation = this is above all else. If the site or operator is reputable, chances are, the other immediate factors will just follow. All other features don't matter if no one trusts you or your site..
2. provable fairness = even if it is provably fair, reputation ranks higher. This helps, and is a given actually. You can't run a site now that is not provably fair. At least for players.
3. design, speed, novelty = I'd lump this together. raffles and lottos are slow. dice are fast. animated table games with nice graphics are in between.
4. crowd-fundedness = some people like to gamble on the other side.
5. community = some people like to participate in chats, promotions, contests, brag how much they won, whine how much they lost.
6. house edge = for all sites under 3% or under 2.5% house edge, the differences are ... well, it depends on the players and / or investors. Investors like higher house edges, players like lower house edges, but if the casino is not making profits, they risk closing.

If the house edge is higher than 3% or 5% or 10%, then it might matter to some players. But between 1% and 1.9% ... While that is a decision left to the operators, and while it does indeed mean double, ... again, in my opinion the other factors contribute more. The house edge only matters when it is too high, and by too high, I mean higher than 3% or higher than 5%, depending on the game.

Some house edges to compare with
Slot Machines:   2%-15%
Roulette:           1.76%
Keno:                25%-29%   
Blackjack Vegas rules and perfect play: 0.28%

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November 19, 2014, 02:00:41 PM
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Some house edges to compare with
Slot Machines:   2%-15%
Roulette:           1.76%
Keno:                25%-29%   
Blackjack Vegas rules and perfect play: 0.28%

Yours falls in the "under 2%" already, so it doesn't seem to matter all that much. The other games you mentioned can have bitcoin equivalent games with lowered house edges. All they have to do is increase the payout, or use a different layout for the table games.

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November 19, 2014, 11:22:56 PM
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Some house edges to compare with
Slot Machines:   2%-15%
Roulette:           1.76%
Keno:                25%-29%   
Blackjack Vegas rules and perfect play: 0.28%

Some other house edges to compare with:

moneypot.com: 0.5% - 1%, based on chance of winning
safedice.com: 1%, but changing soon to 0.5% for small bets
primedice.com: 1%
prcdice.eu: 1%
bitdice.me: 1%
bikinidice.com: 1%
satoshidice.com: 1.9%

I would question your roulette number. For a 1 zero wheel the edge is 1/37th of 100%, and for 2 zero wheels it's 2/38th of 100%:

>>> 1/37
2.7027%

>>> 2/38
5.2631%

Where do you get 1.76%? That would be the edge for a wheel with about 100 / 1.76 = 56.8 numbers on it, one of which was a zero.

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November 19, 2014, 11:51:20 PM
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Please explain why the picture shows a girl holding her head?
Anything connected with dice game? or bitcoin? or gambling?
What she's doing is like massaging her head.

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November 20, 2014, 04:09:05 AM
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Please explain why the picture shows a girl holding her head?
Anything connected with dice game? or bitcoin? or gambling?
What she's doing is like massaging her head.

You mean the screenshot in OP? That logo hasn't been used for a long time, and the current SD logo is the one in SatoshiDICE_PR's avatar space.

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November 20, 2014, 04:16:38 AM
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Some house edges to compare with
Slot Machines:   2%-15%
Roulette:           1.76%
Keno:                25%-29%   
Blackjack Vegas rules and perfect play: 0.28%

Some other house edges to compare with:

moneypot.com: 0.5% - 1%, based on chance of winning
safedice.com: 1%, but changing soon to 0.5% for small bets
primedice.com: 1%
prcdice.eu: 1%
bitdice.me: 1%
bikinidice.com: 1%
satoshidice.com: 1.9%

I would question your roulette number. For a 1 zero wheel the edge is 1/37th of 100%, and for 2 zero wheels it's 2/38th of 100%:

>>> 1/37
2.7027%

>>> 2/38
5.2631%

Where do you get 1.76%? That would be the edge for a wheel with about 100 / 1.76 = 56.8 numbers on it, one of which was a zero.

He probably confused about roulette and those wheel games. SatoshiCircle has a house edge of 1.76%.

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November 20, 2014, 08:53:56 AM
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you are mentioning lag free.how long does a normal roll take on average? because for me (tested on multiple browsers) it takes over 20-30 seconds before the result is shown

A normal placebet response looks something like this: "queryTimeInSeconds": 0.14136099815369

There were several DDoS attacks in the beginning and we are still working on optimizations in order to be able to guarantee a quick roll response.

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November 22, 2014, 06:36:05 AM
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nice update on an already great site! i'd like an auto roll option too!
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November 23, 2014, 10:30:26 PM
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where auto bet button here? Wink

Is it worth it to use the autobet button here?

Autobetting could be very useful if you want to aim for the "Most unlikely win" daily 0.1 btc prize. Smiley

We were using an auto clicker at one point when stress testing the site. It could be used for placing lots of bets and catch leader board positions too. We will add auto rolling with bet adjustment rules, sounds and many more neat things as soon as possible. If you wanna try the auto clicker, here it is: http://download.cnet.com/Auto-Clicker-by-Shocker/3000-2084_4-75742161.html

This auto clicker works perfectly, but when I click the winning streaks, it just says "No data to show here.".

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November 29, 2014, 12:20:50 PM
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Some house edges to compare with
Slot Machines:   2%-15%
Roulette:           1.76%
Keno:                25%-29%   
Blackjack Vegas rules and perfect play: 0.28%

Some other house edges to compare with:

moneypot.com: 0.5% - 1%, based on chance of winning
safedice.com: 1%, but changing soon to 0.5% for small bets
primedice.com: 1%
prcdice.eu: 1%
bitdice.me: 1%
bikinidice.com: 1%
satoshidice.com: 1.9%

I would question your roulette number. For a 1 zero wheel the edge is 1/37th of 100%, and for 2 zero wheels it's 2/38th of 100%:

>>> 1/37
2.7027%

>>> 2/38
5.2631%

Where do you get 1.76%? That would be the edge for a wheel with about 100 / 1.76 = 56.8 numbers on it, one of which was a zero.
satoshidice is the original. I'm happy to pay a bit higher fee for betting there


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December 03, 2014, 03:23:19 PM
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The Winning Streaks and Losing Streaks tabs are now working again; there's for example Hacker06310 that won 31.49 in the Most Profit winning streak option.

There was also a slight problem with time synchronization that caused a time difference between the the servers. New rolls ended up 40 seconds in the future but this has been corrected now.

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December 03, 2014, 04:04:49 PM
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Is the cryptobetting index ranking a big deal in the bitcoin gambling world?

How were you ranked in cryptobetting index?
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December 03, 2014, 10:48:53 PM
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Is the cryptobetting index ranking a big deal in the bitcoin gambling world?

I don't see how it could be because the number of rolls data used there is quite easy to fake. Only blockchain games like the old satoshidice or luckyb.it can be verified through the blockchain. Also some dice sites allow zero satoshi rolls and this could increase the stats quite a bit.

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December 03, 2014, 11:38:23 PM
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Is the cryptobetting index ranking a big deal in the bitcoin gambling world?

How were you ranked in cryptobetting index?

They are ranked on that site. Far down on the page, though. Seems like the 7M bets on satoshidice is just not enough to appear high up in the list.

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December 04, 2014, 12:11:52 AM
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Is the cryptobetting index ranking a big deal in the bitcoin gambling world?

I don't see how it could be because the number of rolls data used there is quite easy to fake. Only blockchain games like the old satoshidice or luckyb.it can be verified through the blockchain. Also some dice sites allow zero satoshi rolls and this could increase the stats quite a bit.
Is the cryptobetting index ranking a big deal in the bitcoin gambling world?

How were you ranked in cryptobetting index?

They are ranked on that site. Far down on the page, though. Seems like the 7M bets on satoshidice is just not enough to appear high up in the list.
I made an overview site for only dice sites (see my signature.) Sites are ranked on total wagered. However I only list off-chain sites ATM so the SatoshiDice stats are only for the off-chain part. They are rising very fast though (considering the off-chain part has been around for like a month.)

On the "Weekly Top 10" they are #3 with 1,540 BTC wagered in a week, but the #2 only has 144 BTC more so that is pretty close.

I am still planning to add a separate on-chain page where SD will be obviously first Tongue

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