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March 23, 2015, 05:19:58 PM |
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600 AD follows 90 AD by more than 500 years. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) I think you didn't understand the quoted parts. There are many prophets who came in between Jesus(PBUH) and Muhammed(PBUH). So there will be gap between the era. But that doesn't proove Bible is "followed" by Qur'an. To resolve this, I suggested you to read Qur'an to know the difference but yes there will be similarities between Qur'an and other true religious holy books because messenger of God came with a simple message "Believe in 1 God". If the Islamic Prophet said or wrote something like, "I am writing stuff that existed before time began," even then he still wrote it 500 years after the last of the Bible was written. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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Muhammed Zakir
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March 23, 2015, 05:22:25 PM |
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If the Islamic Prophet said or wrote something like, "I am writing stuff that existed before time began," even then he still wrote it 500 years after the last of the Bible was written. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Fortunately, you are deliberately avoiding the truth. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Fortunately, what you said is wrong. Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) didn't write Qur'an, it is words of God. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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March 23, 2015, 05:28:26 PM |
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According to the New Testament, the Romans who crucified Jesus said that he was dead. What better evidence can one find than Roman soldiers, who were used to life and death in their day to day business? ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) If Jesus says "he isn't dead" and the person who saw him and also the logic says "Jesus isn't dead", how could you avoid it? You should really see that video, it is clear. If you are telling Romans said true, then you are outweighing Romans' words than Jesus'. BTW, simple question. Did Romans tried to support Christianity or to oppress/repress it? Jesus came back to life after 3 days by the glory of His Father God. Jesus was alive. Jesus died. Jesus is alive again. Jesus is the only person Who died and came back to life to never die again. The Roman soldiers at the crucifixion of Jesus were the ones who were killing Him. They weren't trying to support or repress. They were following orders. They testified to His death. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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March 23, 2015, 05:31:30 PM |
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If the Islamic Prophet said or wrote something like, "I am writing stuff that existed before time began," even then he still wrote it 500 years after the last of the Bible was written. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Fortunately, you are deliberately avoiding the truth. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Fortunately, what you said is wrong. Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) didn't write Qur'an, it is words of God. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Ink did not jump on paper all by itself. Not the Bible. Not the Quran. Somebody wrote the Bible. Somebody wrote the Quran. The Quran was written about 500 years following the last part of the Bible. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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March 23, 2015, 05:37:18 PM |
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Please point me to that lines and also the lines I asked you earlier. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) What St. Paul isn't truth. You shouldn't check what other's said, check what Jesus said. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Google search on the words "Jesus is God proof," and you will find all kinds of reference websites that show reasons why, and the ways that Jesus expressed Himself to be God, even though H is never recorded as saying, "I am God." ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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March 23, 2015, 05:39:46 PM |
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According to the New Testament, the Romans who crucified Jesus said that he was dead. What better evidence can one find than Roman soldiers, who were used to life and death in their day to day business? ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Better evidence than a religious text which isn't evidence at all? Let's see, there could be artifacts, that would trump all evidence. Pontius Pilot kept meticulous records, other evidence would be any mention of Jesus in his records. Other evidence might have been any contemporary historian to have even mentioned the supposedly famous Jesus. They didn't. Taking a book that professes to know the details of conversations between Jesus and God when Jesus was alone, as EVIDENCE, is bat shit crazy. Bible stories are not history. Religious text does not qualify as "truth" to anyone other than religious believers. Do you think the earth is 6,000 years old too? It's only batshit crazy to crazy bats. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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Muhammed Zakir
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March 23, 2015, 05:41:03 PM |
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Google search on the words "Jesus is God proof," and you will find all kinds of reference websites that show reasons why, and the ways that Jesus expressed Himself to be God, even though H is never recorded as saying, "I am God." ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Understood what you meant now. That is misinterpretation. That is why I gave you the YouTube link which solves this misinterpretation. But I don't think you saw that to videos. I think you are deliberately avoiding it. No offense. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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March 23, 2015, 05:44:30 PM |
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Google search on the words "Jesus is God proof," and you will find all kinds of reference websites that show reasons why, and the ways that Jesus expressed Himself to be God, even though H is never recorded as saying, "I am God." ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Understood what you meant now. That is misinterpretation. That is why I gave you the YouTube link which solves this misinterpretation. But I don't think you saw that to videos. I think you are deliberately avoiding it. No offense. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) That video says that it is more than 3 hours long. Too long. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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Muhammed Zakir
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March 23, 2015, 05:48:01 PM |
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That video says that it is more than 3 hours long. Too long. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) The video you mentioned is about "Crucifixion of Jesus" is false. The video regarding the misinterpretation of Jesus' words is just 15 minutes long. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=511G0UYVKZoBy the way, if you can't see the whole video, see the talking of Zakir Naik only by skipping the parts but I depreciate doing it.
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March 23, 2015, 05:49:07 PM |
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find me a word that says to spread violence in the Quraan and i will stop believing in it ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) beware there are many false Quraan online. go to a mosque find the Quraan and show me a picture where it says to SPREAD violence ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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March 23, 2015, 05:49:22 PM |
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It's funny how MZ reply everybody here but me. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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March 23, 2015, 05:50:11 PM |
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find me a word that says to spread violence in the Quraan and i will stop believing in it ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) beware there are many false Quraan online. go to a mosque find the Quraan and show me a picture where it says to SPREAD violence ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) If you read Kuran it says you can kill people for cihad multiple times. Are you sure you read it?
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Muhammed Zakir
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March 23, 2015, 05:52:36 PM |
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find me a word that says to spread violence in the Quraan and i will stop believing in it ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) beware there are many false Quraan online. go to a mosque find the Quraan and show me a picture where it says to SPREAD violence ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) +100. Straight to the point. I like you! ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) It's funny how MZ reply everybody here but me. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif)
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Muhammed Zakir
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March 23, 2015, 05:53:52 PM |
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If you read Kuran it says you can kill people for cihad multiple times. Are you sure you read it?
I already told here that Jihad is being misinterpreted. It's actual meaning is "to become good believer". Also, may I know the verses please?
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Muhammed Zakir
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March 23, 2015, 06:08:10 PM |
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Thank you! That is out of context to be honest. Try to read verses from 190 without skipping. You will understand. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) You will see repeating verses saying "If they don't want to fight you, don't fight them"(my English), you can also see "Remeber Allah is great in forgiving".
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Muhammed Zakir
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March 23, 2015, 06:10:22 PM |
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'Religion' goes further back then a 'medieval form of unreason' and is perhaps best described as trying to oppress The 3 Truths (and there are others). 1) We are all One Humanity. 2) We are all born Naked 3) We are all born Equal. Sadly cultures/religions have done everything to suppress, hide or deny these 3 Truths. Those of us who KNOW in our bones these Truths exist and are doing our best to bring them into consciousness again absolutely KNOW we must make fun of cultures/religions that try to cover them up.
Give me verses which contradicts above truths from Qur'an.
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March 23, 2015, 06:12:26 PM |
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‘In Islam, they are all rotten apples’: Ex-Muslim’s call for religion’s rebootThere was a time when author and activist Ayaan Hirsi Ali believed it all: that, according to Islam, the infidel should die, that the Koran is infallible, that those who violated sharia law — thieves, gays, adulterers — deserved to be stoned to death or beheaded, as they were each Friday in a public gathering place she and her brother called “Chop-Chop Square.” Today, she is that rare thing: a public intellectual who, despite death threats and charges of bigotry, calls for an end to Islam — not just as the faithful know it, but as we in the West think we know it. “The assumption is that, in Islam, there are a few rotten apples, not the entire basket,” Ali tells The Post. “I’m saying it’s the entire basket.” In her book, “Heretic,” Ali argues for a complete reformation of Islam, akin to the Protestant reformation of the 16th century. Though her own education led her to reject Islam and declare herself an atheist, she believes that for the world’s 1.6 billion Muslims, there must be another way. http://nypost.com/2015/03/22/activist-argues-for-a-complete-reformation-of-islam/
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Muhammed Zakir
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March 23, 2015, 06:20:35 PM |
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that, according to Islam, the infidel should die,
Pure lie. that the Koran is infallible,
True. that those who violated sharia law — thieves, gays, adulterers — deserved to be stoned to death or beheaded, as they were each Friday in a public gathering place she and her brother called “Chop-Chop Square.”
False. Today, she is that rare thing: a public intellectual who, despite death threats and charges of bigotry, calls for an end to Islam — not just as the faithful know it, but as we in the West think we know it.
“The assumption is that, in Islam, there are a few rotten apples, not the entire basket,” Ali tells The Post. “I’m saying it’s the entire basket.”
In her book, “Heretic,” Ali argues for a complete reformation of Islam, akin to the Protestant reformation of the 16th century. Though her own education led her to reject Islam and declare herself an atheist, she believes that for the world’s 1.6 billion Muslims, there must be another way.
Sad to hear she thinked in a wrong way. Better to say she is being misguided. ![Sad](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/sad.gif)
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BADecker
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March 23, 2015, 06:25:47 PM |
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That video says that it is more than 3 hours long. Too long. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) The video you mentioned is about "Crucifixion of Jesus" is false. The video regarding the misinterpretation of Jesus' words is just 15 minutes long. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=511G0UYVKZoBy the way, if you can't see the whole video, see the talking of Zakir Naik only by skipping the parts but I depreciate doing it. What I get from that video is (I don't know who is who), the guy in the brown suit is quoting the Bible, but then he is giving his logical interpretation of it rather than believing what it says. We need to believe what the Bible says, not what we want to interpret it as saying. We, the people who believe in Jesus for salvation, are one with God, just as Jesus is One with God. We are being absorbed into God by believing in Jesus. There is only one God. But many individuals in the one God. The only way that such can happen is through Jesus, the Son Of God. When Moses met with God in the Tent of Meeting, his face became radiant. He would go out after the meeting, and put a veil over his face so that the people wouldn't see that the radiance was fading when he was outside the presence of God. The only way to Heaven is through Jesus. Heaven is not attained by following some other prophet. That is a misinterpretation of the Bible. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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