Why do islam hates people?

[Salman Anjum]

Seek out your enemies relentlessly." (Surah 4:103-)

This is the real verse and their translation.....

Then when you have finished your prayer, remember Allah, standing, sitting and dying or your sides; thenwhen you are secure, establish prayer as usual; undoubtedly, the prayer is a fixed time obligation on Muslims. (Surah Nisa Verse 103)[/b]

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The below quotes(and many more similar to it) is in the Koran and is what the Terrorists use to justify their killings, if you accept "Allah" as perfect, you accept him as an evil god, for the words in the Koran are words against Life, they're words of violence and death. Ever wonder why those such as Buddhists never resort to violence, even though Buddhism has been persecuted against in China? Because the Buddhist faith has no violence in it, it does not promote death, it promotes peace. Islam, Christianity, and Judaism do not, they promote death and violence. Your god does not exist.


"...make war on the leaders of unbelief...Make war on them: God will chastise them at your hands and humble them. He will grant you victory over them..." (Surah 9:12-)

"Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it." (Surah 2:216)

"Seek out your enemies relentlessly." (Surah 4:1034-)

"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them." (Surah 9:121-)

Fighting in the path of God...

Don't mix this verse with the wrong meaning...
Read carefully

Again, these things were supposedly given to Muhammed by Allah. Allah is supposed to be perfect in every way, that means that you should be able to take a sentence "out of context" and apply it in your own life, as the very words of Allah should be incomprehesibly perfect, from the syllables to the sentence structure.

What you're doing, is admitting that Allah is not perfect, or that Allah does not exist.

[irfan_pak10]

The below quotes(and many more similar to it) is in the Koran and is what the Terrorists use to justify their killings, if you accept "Allah" as perfect, you accept him as an evil god, for the words in the Koran are words against Life, they're words of violence and death. Ever wonder why those such as Buddhists never resort to violence, even though Buddhism has been persecuted against in China? Because the Buddhist faith has no violence in it, it does not promote death, it promotes peace. Islam, Christianity, and Judaism do not, they promote death and violence. Your god does not exist.


"...make war on the leaders of unbelief...Make war on them: God will chastise them at your hands and humble them. He will grant you victory over them..." (Surah 9:12-)

"Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it." (Surah 2:216)

"Seek out your enemies relentlessly." (Surah 4:1034-)

"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them." (Surah 9:121-)

Fighting in the path of God...

Don't mix this verse with the wrong meaning...
Read carefully

Again, these things were supposedly given to Muhammed by Allah. Allah is supposed to be perfect in every way, that means that you should be able to take a sentence "out of context" and apply it in your own life, as the very words of Allah should be incomprehesibly perfect, from the syllables to the sentence structure.

What you're doing, is admitting that Allah is not perfect, or that Allah does not exist.

Please It is recommended that dont take the half of the line and say that this is wrong.
Like I say I will kill you if you do ............
And Now you are quoting my line as

Irfan_pak10 say me that
He will Kill me.

The Above verses you are quoting are not full
See here

Fighting has been enjoined upon you while it is hateful to you. But perhaps you hate a thing and it is good for you; and perhaps you love a thing and it is bad for you. And Allah Knows, while you know not. (Surah 2:216)

and same is the case with others.

[Salman Anjum]

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P.S. Many Muslims including me are against ISIS. I don't like what they are doing and essentially creating a new religion for their political benefits and pushing all Muslims into danger and forcing all Muslims and non-Muslims to be a victim of the danger. ISIS has killed number of Muslims too but still what they are claiming is being represented than what the reality is.

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Sorry? They don't create any new religion. Look their flag, what does the first text say? La ilaha illallah! The second text is Allah, Rasul, and Muhammad. Their god is Allah, and their prophet is Muhammad SAW. Is that a new religion?

They ain't following Islam. Islam tells not to even tease other religions or people, they are doing much worse than that. Islam tells not to compell others to become Muslims, they are doing it. They just claim they are Muslims but not follow Islam. How they are Muslims if they don't follow Islam?

They ain't following Islam? In surah al-Maidah, ayah 38-39, tells to cut off thieves hand, IS do that.

Zakir is wrong. In the Koran it is explicitly stated that you can use violence against non-muslims as well as violence against those that do supposed "wrongs". ISIS is following the Koran, the core problem isn't the people, it's the Koran itself. The Koran, Bible, Torah, are all the same, and all promote violence and death.

These verses have too often been quoted with what appears to be a willful disregard for the context in which they occur, thus inflaming the emotions of listeners, perpetuating grave misunderstandings, and contributing to the potential for violence on all sides.

Though we may not be able to influence those who are hell-bent on hatred, an explanation is owed to all reasonable people who are interested in the truth of the matter and are not looking to create enemies. The vast majority of Muslims deserve to be seen as allies in a common quest for social justice and human dignity -- assuming, of course, that we as Americans have the same goals in mind.

A careful and unbiased study of these and other verses, in their proper context, will reveal that the exhortations to fight "idolaters" and "unbelievers" are specific in nature and are not general injunctions for the murder of all those who refuse to accept Islam as their way of life.

I think one of the verse you are coating is: "Kill the idolaters wherever you find them, and capture them, and blockade them, and watch for them at every lookout..." (Quran 9:5).

According to Islamic belief, the Quran was "revealed" to Muhammad in a process of dialog with the Divine, and some parts of the Quran refer to specific situations, while other parts offer universal spiritual principles. To understand this passage, we must take into account the historical circumstances at the time of its revelation.

The "idolaters" (Arabic: mushrikeen) were those Meccan "pagans" who had declared war against Muhammad and his community. The Meccan oligarchs fought against the Prophet's message from the very beginning. When they realized that the flow of converts to Islam was increasing, they resorted to violent oppression and torture of the Prophet and his followers. The Prophet himself survived several assassination attempts, and it became so dangerous for the Muslims in Mecca that Muhammad sent some of his companions who lacked tribal protection to take asylum in the Christian kingdom of Abyssinia. After 13 years of violence, he himself was compelled to take refuge in the city of Medina, and even then the Meccans did not relent in their hostilities. Eventually, various hostile Arab tribes joined in the fight against the Muslims, culminating in the Battle of the Trench, when 10,000 soldiers from many Arab tribes gathered to wipe out the Muslim community once and for all. As we know, the Muslims survived these challenges and eventually went on to establish a vast civilization.

That's where you're wrong, again. The context in which the statements were written in does not matter, why? Because all of this was supposedly revealed to Muhammad from Allah, and since Allah is supposed to be supremely perfect in every way, then everything given to Muhammed by him should be perfect, from every syllable to the whole sentence structure, regardless of whether it's "in context" or not.

What you're doing, is admitting that "Allah" is not perfect, and admitting that "Allah" is not "god", either that or you're admitting Muhammad fabricated everything he said, and that Allah actually did not speak to Muhammad. If however, you accept Allah as "perfect" and his words of spreading violence, hate, and death, then you believe that Allah is an evil god, a mavolent entity.

Those are the only two possible outcomes.

ALLAH is perfect and every thing that is revealed to Holly Prophet S.A by the ALLAH is also perfect.
For above bolded... where it is said?

Below is a few quotes from the Koran, showing the evilness depicted. There are many, many more.

"Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme." (Surah 2:190-)

"Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it." (Surah 2:216)

"Men are tempted [in this life] by the lure of women...far better is the return of God. Say: 'Shall I tell you of better things than these, with which the righteous shall be rewarded by their Lord? Theirs shall be gardens watered by running streams, where they shall dwell for ever: wives of perfect chastity..." (Surah 3:14, 15)

"Believers, do not make friends with any but your own people...They desire nothing but your ruin....You believe in the entire Book...When they meet you they say: 'We, too, are believers.' But when alone, they bite their finger-tips with rage." (Surah 3:118, 119)

"If you should die or be slain in the cause of God, His forgiveness and His mercy would surely be better than all the riches..." (Surah 3:156-)

"Forbidden to you are...married women, except those you own as slaves." (Surah 4:20-, 24-)

"...make war on the leaders of unbelief...Make war on them: God will chastise them at your hands and humble them. He will grant you victory over them..." (Surah 9:12-)

Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them." (Surah 9:121-)


"Seek out your enemies relentlessly." (Surah 4:103-)

http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/koran.html

I thanked you my friend for making this point as well as indicating these verses, and then responded as follows:

Comments:
Clearly, the above verses can incite much animosity and subsequent violence vis-a-vis all non-Muslims. Accepted literally - and uncritically - these verses lend themselves to the unjust persecution of otherwise innocent people, whose only crime is being non-Muslim. However, a pivotal matter of linguistic importance is often overlooked: the significance and usage of the definite article, "al" (i.e., "the"), which precedes the various disparaging Arabic words - kafirun, mushrikun - that describe non-believers in the Quran and which are often translated as "non-believers," "infidels," "idolaters," or "polytheists." Furthermore, in Arabic, the definite article is physically attached to the word it describes.

See below:

Quran: {The infidels are your sworn enemies Sura 4:101}
Quran {Prophet, make war on the infidels Sura 66: 9
Quran {Never be a helper to the disbelievers Sura 28:86}

The exact Arabic expression in these verses - indeed, in every verse that talks of the non-believer - is "Al-Kaferrin" or "Al-la-dhina Kafaru." The use of "Al-" or "Al-la-dhina" limits the verse (and thus commandment) to 1) a specific time and place in historyand 2) a specific group of people who were obstacles to the establishment of Islam in its nascent phase. It is these two factors that caused these verses to be revealed. Had the intentions of the Quran been to extend the application of these verses in perpetuity, it would have used the expression "Man Kafar," rather than "Al-Kafereen" or "Al-La-dhina Kafaru". The former, "Man Kafar," literally means any one who does not believe in God; while the latter, "Al-Kafereen," - the infidels - denotes a specific group of people: they who fought Prophet Mohamed in the early stages of Islam.

Moreover, the overriding principle which must ultimately guide our understanding of these verses is the constant Quranic reminder that good Muslims do not initiate violence against others so long as the latter do not provoke hostilities.

Quran 2:190 Fight in the cause of God those who start fighting you, but do not transgress limits (or start the attack); for God loveth not transgressors.

Indeed, according to other verses, even if a Muslim deemed someone an infidel, according to the Quran, he is still obligated to:

1. Behave with courtesy :
Consider, for instance, the following verse, which is supposed to instruct Muslims as to how they should deal with non-Muslims in the midst of hostilities (such as war): 9:6 And if any of the Idolatries (who are fighting you) seeks thy protection, grant him protection, so that he might [be able to] hear the word of God [from thee]; and thereupon convey him to a place where he can feel secure:
If Muslims are to behave with such clemency and magnanimity vis-a-vis the infidel during times of war and conflict, how much more should be expected of their interactions with non-Muslims during times of peace?

2. Respect his freedom of choice to be a "Disbeliever" - as this is a right bestowed upon humanity by God:
Quran 18:29 proclaims, "The truth is from your Lord": it is the free will of any person to believe (in God) or to be an Infidel (Un believer).

3. Even if a Muslim should be convinced that someone is a non-believer, still he must accept that his fate is in the hands of God alone, since no one human can condemn another - this must be left to the judgment of God.
Quran 88:25-26 for behold, unto (ONLY) Us (means God) will be their return, Then it will be for (ONLY) Us to Judge (humans).
22:17 Those who believe (in the Qur'an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians (can mean an ancient religion or people with no specific religion), Christians, Magians, and Polytheists,- God will judge between them on the Day of Judgment: for God (alone) is witness of all things.

So you're saying that the Koran is like a history book of Islam's early beginnings? That would make sense, If it was not treated as a holy book. But, since Islam claims that Muhammed was given these revealations onto him by Allah, that disregards the use of it as a history book where one can say, "They had to have these laws to protect themselves from their enemies at the time", because "Allah is claimed to be supremely perfect in every possible way. If that were so, then whatever he told Muhammed should also be perfect, in every single way, there should be no commands promoting death and violence. But, there is, and that can only mean three things

1) Muhammed mistranslated what Allah said, meaning that the entire Koran is wrong because the things in it are Not what Allah actually told Muhammed

2) Muhammed lied about what was said to him by Allah

3) Allah is an evil god who promote violence and death to non-muslims and incredible violence to muslims themselves(See cutting of hands passage in the Koran)

Quran is not a history book...

Muhammad (PBUH) is Mercy for both worlds.

Allah created this world and we all came back to Allah...

Quran is present in their original form....

There are so many changes in your books but Islam teach us dont say single word about others religion......Respect others religion....That is taught by Muhammad (PBUH)........He (SAWW) is Mercy for all.........Our Prophet (PBUH) Teach us a lesson of Peace,Humanity,Love,Respect.....

He (SAWW) teach us how to behave, How to talk, How to communicate, Everything is taught by Prophet (PBUH)......

[Salman Anjum]

There is no religion like Islam...

Allah is one and can’t be three,
The truth is simple as can be.
He’s the source of everything,
And doesn’t need a single thing,
He wasn’t born and will not die,
And that is surely not a lie.

Muhammad-ur-Rasulullah,
The final Prophet of Allah,
Peace and blessings on him too,
Who came to show us what to do.
Allah chose him for mankind,
No one greater will we find,
And his Sunnah is our guide,
By his ways we should abide.


Respect My Religion then i will your's

[Prosperityforall]

There is no religion like Islam...

Allah is one and can’t be three,
The truth is simple as can be.
He’s the source of everything,
And doesn’t need a single thing,
He wasn’t born and will not die,
And that is surely not a lie.

Muhammad-ur-Rasulullah,
The final Prophet of Allah,
Peace and blessings on him too,
Who came to show us what to do.
Allah chose him for mankind,
No one greater will we find,
And his Sunnah is our guide,
By his ways we should abide.


Respect My Religion then i will your's

I respect religions that have no intolerance against other people. If you accept everyone then I will respect your religion. However, Islam is intolerant against a wide array of things, and as such cannot be respected. Neither can Christianity nor Judasim be respected. They are religions of hate, war, and death. Use you reasoning, the "god" of those religions does not exist. If it does, then it is an evil "god".

If such a god exists, I can assure you it is of no religion as of current, and that most of the world would be going to "hell" for their intolerance, hatred, and willfull ignorance(The cause of all intolerance).

[Salman Anjum]

There is no religion like Islam...

Allah is one and can’t be three,
The truth is simple as can be.
He’s the source of everything,
And doesn’t need a single thing,
He wasn’t born and will not die,
And that is surely not a lie.

Muhammad-ur-Rasulullah,
The final Prophet of Allah,
Peace and blessings on him too,
Who came to show us what to do.
Allah chose him for mankind,
No one greater will we find,
And his Sunnah is our guide,
By his ways we should abide.


Respect My Religion then i will your's

I respect religions that have no intolerance against other people. If you accept everyone then I will respect your religion. However, Islam is intolerant against a wide array of things, and as such cannot be respected. Neither can Christianity nor Judasim be respected. They are religions of hate, war, and death. Use you reasoning, the "god" of those religions does not exist. If it does, then it is an evil "god".

By the way whats your religion ??

U dont know a single word about Islam.....

Islam Is Peace !!
God calls to the Home of Peace.” (The Quran, 10:25)

The truth is that peace in Islam is the ‘rule’, while war is the ‘exception’. This is borne out by all the teachings of Islam and the practical life of the Prophet of Islam.

[Salman Anjum]

Not god exist....

Allah Exist Everywhere...!!!

Once, a Bedouin was asked what made an unsophisticated man like him believe in Allah. The Bedouin said, "Do you see these marks in the sand?" "Yes," the man replied. "What do they tell you?" asked the Bedouin. "A camel went by," answered the man. The Bedouin then asked, "Did you see the camel?" The man replied, "No, but these footprints in the sand suggest that a camel made them." "Do you see these mountains?" questioned the Bedouin. He continued, "They are indicative to me that Allah made them."

Allah made these Stars,Mountains,Sun,Clouds,Sea,Rivers,Moon....!!!

If Allah not exist then who made these things ?

Allah Is Great !!!

[Spendulus]

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The exact Arabic expression in these verses - indeed, in every verse that talks of the non-believer - is "Al-Kaferrin" or "Al-la-dhina Kafaru." The use of "Al-" or "Al-la-dhina" limits the verse (and thus commandment) to 1) a specific time and place in historyand 2) a specific group of people who were obstacles to the establishment of Islam in its nascent phase. It is these two factors that caused these verses to be revealed. Had the intentions of the Quran been to extend the application of these verses in perpetuity, it would have used the expression "Man Kafar," rather than "Al-Kafereen" or "Al-La-dhina Kafaru". The former, "Man Kafar," literally means any one who does not believe in God; while the latter, "Al-Kafereen," - the infidels - denotes a specific group of people: they who fought Prophet Mohamed in the early stages of Islam.

Moreover, the overriding principle which must ultimately guide our understanding of these verses is the constant Quranic reminder that good Muslims do not initiate violence against others so long as the latter do not provoke hostilities.

Quran 2:190 Fight in the cause of God those who start fighting you, but do not transgress limits (or start the attack); for God loveth not transgressors.

Indeed, according to other verses, even if a Muslim deemed someone an infidel, according to the Quran, he is still obligated to:

1. Behave with courtesy :
Consider, for instance, the following verse, which is supposed to instruct Muslims as to how they should deal with non-Muslims in the midst of hostilities (such as war): 9:6 And if any of the Idolatries (who are fighting you) seeks thy protection, grant him protection, so that he might [be able to] hear the word of God [from thee]; and thereupon convey him to a place where he can feel secure:
If Muslims are to behave with such clemency and magnanimity vis-a-vis the infidel during times of war and conflict, how much more should be expected of their interactions with non-Muslims during times of peace?

2. Respect his freedom of choice to be a "Disbeliever" - as this is a right bestowed upon humanity by God:
Quran 18:29 proclaims, "The truth is from your Lord": it is the free will of any person to believe (in God) or to be an Infidel (Un believer).

3. Even if a Muslim should be convinced that someone is a non-believer, still he must accept that his fate is in the hands of God alone, since no one human can condemn another - this must be left to the judgment of God.
Quran 88:25-26 for behold, unto (ONLY) Us (means God) will be their return, Then it will be for (ONLY) Us to Judge (humans).
22:17 Those who believe (in the Qur'an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians (can mean an ancient religion or people with no specific religion), Christians, Magians, and Polytheists,- God will judge between them on the Day of Judgment: for God (alone) is witness of all things.

As an atheist, I do not care what your old books say.  I do not accept them as having any authority over human conduct.  You do, that is your preference.  However, look at what you have done above.  You have attempted to explain correct behavior by way of correct reading of your old book.  But others view the matter differently.

It is not my problem if your translations from Arabic are poorly done, it is yours - not yours personally, but that of the Islamic community.  Let me give you a concrete example.  I studied ancient Greek in college, and in the first week went to the university library to see what actual texts there were in the language.   I was astonished to find that the typical book in Greek would be two lines of Greek, with the entire rest of the page filled with possible meanings and uncertainties as to exact meanings of phrases.  However, with these footnotes and additions, the job of translating the text was well done.

If your Islam pushes bad copies, then I think you should expect bad results.  If you think your learned explanation resolves the issue, you are wrong.  It shows the problem, rather than resolving it.

[Prosperityforall]

Not god exist....

Allah Exist Everywhere...!!!

Once, a Bedouin was asked what made an unsophisticated man like him believe in Allah. The Bedouin said, "Do you see these marks in the sand?" "Yes," the man replied. "What do they tell you?" asked the Bedouin. "A camel went by," answered the man. The Bedouin then asked, "Did you see the camel?" The man replied, "No, but these footprints in the sand suggest that a camel made them." "Do you see these mountains?" questioned the Bedouin. He continued, "They are indicative to me that Allah made them."

Allah made these Stars,Mountains,Sun,Clouds,Sea,Rivers,Moon....!!!

If Allah not exist then who made these things ?

Allah Is Great !!!

These are basic and explained in science class. Stars are composed of Gas, Mountains made by shifts in the tectonic plates, Clouds are formed by water, and the Ocean/seas/rivers are composed of water which is composed of Hydrogen and Oxygen.


The reason people are religous is largely because of ignorance/not knowing these things.

[Salman Anjum]

Not god exist....

Allah Exist Everywhere...!!!

Once, a Bedouin was asked what made an unsophisticated man like him believe in Allah. The Bedouin said, "Do you see these marks in the sand?" "Yes," the man replied. "What do they tell you?" asked the Bedouin. "A camel went by," answered the man. The Bedouin then asked, "Did you see the camel?" The man replied, "No, but these footprints in the sand suggest that a camel made them." "Do you see these mountains?" questioned the Bedouin. He continued, "They are indicative to me that Allah made them."

Allah made these Stars,Mountains,Sun,Clouds,Sea,Rivers,Moon....!!!

If Allah not exist then who made these things ?

Allah Is Great !!!

These are basic and explained in science class. Stars are composed of Gas, Mountains made by shifts in the tectonic plates, Clouds are formed by water, and the Ocean/seas/rivers are composed of water which is composed of Hydrogen and Oxygen.


The reason people are religous is largely because of ignorance/not knowing these things.

Hahahahaha in which institution you know about these things and who told you about these illogical things........

clouds are made by water...!!!
U give water for making of clouds??
rivers,seas are made of water
Is this water given by you??
from where u get hydrogen and oxygen??
 Mountains made by shifts in the tectonic plates....
who shift these plates You...

[Prosperityforall]

Not god exist....

Allah Exist Everywhere...!!!

Once, a Bedouin was asked what made an unsophisticated man like him believe in Allah. The Bedouin said, "Do you see these marks in the sand?" "Yes," the man replied. "What do they tell you?" asked the Bedouin. "A camel went by," answered the man. The Bedouin then asked, "Did you see the camel?" The man replied, "No, but these footprints in the sand suggest that a camel made them." "Do you see these mountains?" questioned the Bedouin. He continued, "They are indicative to me that Allah made them."

Allah made these Stars,Mountains,Sun,Clouds,Sea,Rivers,Moon....!!!

If Allah not exist then who made these things ?

Allah Is Great !!!

These are basic and explained in science class. Stars are composed of Gas, Mountains made by shifts in the tectonic plates, Clouds are formed by water, and the Ocean/seas/rivers are composed of water which is composed of Hydrogen and Oxygen.


The reason people are religous is largely because of ignorance/not knowing these things.

Hahahahaha in which institution you know about these things and who told you about these illogical things........

clouds are made by water...!!!
U give water for making of clouds??
rivers,seas are made of water
Is this water given by you??
from where u get hydrogen and oxygen??
 Mountains made by shifts in the tectonic plates....
who shift these plates You...

Ok I'm done, go to science class or do expirments concerning these things(Like precipitation in a water bottle). It's useless talking to someone ignorant on simple matters such as these and wondering why their theist...

I could delve deeper into why your beliefs of a god controlling everything actually undermines the "glory" of such a god and is illogical, but I'll leave that to you as it's a waste of time speaking about such on a forum. Go research basic philosohpers such as David Hume, Kant, etc...

[Salman Anjum]

Not god exist....

Allah Exist Everywhere...!!!

Once, a Bedouin was asked what made an unsophisticated man like him believe in Allah. The Bedouin said, "Do you see these marks in the sand?" "Yes," the man replied. "What do they tell you?" asked the Bedouin. "A camel went by," answered the man. The Bedouin then asked, "Did you see the camel?" The man replied, "No, but these footprints in the sand suggest that a camel made them." "Do you see these mountains?" questioned the Bedouin. He continued, "They are indicative to me that Allah made them."

Allah made these Stars,Mountains,Sun,Clouds,Sea,Rivers,Moon....!!!

If Allah not exist then who made these things ?

Allah Is Great !!!

These are basic and explained in science class. Stars are composed of Gas, Mountains made by shifts in the tectonic plates, Clouds are formed by water, and the Ocean/seas/rivers are composed of water which is composed of Hydrogen and Oxygen.


The reason people are religous is largely because of ignorance/not knowing these things.

Hahahahaha in which institution you know about these things and who told you about these illogical things........

clouds are made by water...!!!
U give water for making of clouds??
rivers,seas are made of water
Is this water given by you??
from where u get hydrogen and oxygen??
 Mountains made by shifts in the tectonic plates....
who shift these plates You...

Ok I'm done, go to science class or do expirments concerning these things(Like precipitation in a water bottle). It's useless talking to someone ignorant on simple matters such as these and wondering why their theist...

Hahahahahaha i think you were good in school time because you remember all the things that is taught in 5th standard...
Go and research on my religion (ISLAM) and then came here and talk with me....
And please talk on the basis of logical things not talk on the basis of hydrogen and water

[GregH37]

Allah is one !!!
Allah exist and Allah is the creator of this world, If you believe it is good for you. If you don't believe it is bad for you.
Islam is complete religion. I am sure there is no religion in the world like Islam.

[Salman Anjum]

Allah is one !!!
Allah exist and Allah is the creator of this world, If you believe it is good for you. If you don't believe it is bad for you.
Islam is complete religion. I am sure there is no religion in the world like Islam.

Agreed with you..
Islam is complete religion and im proud to be a Muslim And also proud to be Follower of Muhammad (PBUH).......
Allah is Love <3

Give respect and gain respect...

Thanks

[Spendulus]

Allah is one !!!
Allah exist and Allah is the creator of this world, If you believe it is good for you. If you don't believe it is bad for you.
Islam is complete religion. I am sure there is no religion in the world like Islam.

Agreed with you..
Islam is complete religion and im proud to be a Muslim And also proud to be Follower of Muhammad (PBUH).......
Allah is Love <3

Give respect and gain respect...

Thanks

But...

Did Mohammad really split the Moon?

[BADecker]

Not god exist....

Allah Exist Everywhere...!!!

Once, a Bedouin was asked what made an unsophisticated man like him believe in Allah. The Bedouin said, "Do you see these marks in the sand?" "Yes," the man replied. "What do they tell you?" asked the Bedouin. "A camel went by," answered the man. The Bedouin then asked, "Did you see the camel?" The man replied, "No, but these footprints in the sand suggest that a camel made them." "Do you see these mountains?" questioned the Bedouin. He continued, "They are indicative to me that Allah made them."

Allah made these Stars,Mountains,Sun,Clouds,Sea,Rivers,Moon....!!!

If Allah not exist then who made these things ?

Allah Is Great !!!

These are basic and explained in science class. Stars are composed of Gas, Mountains made by shifts in the tectonic plates, Clouds are formed by water, and the Ocean/seas/rivers are composed of water which is composed of Hydrogen and Oxygen.


The reason people are religous is largely because of ignorance/not knowing these things.

Hahahahaha in which institution you know about these things and who told you about these illogical things........

clouds are made by water...!!!
U give water for making of clouds??
rivers,seas are made of water
Is this water given by you??
from where u get hydrogen and oxygen??
 Mountains made by shifts in the tectonic plates....
who shift these plates You...

Ok I'm done, go to science class or do expirments concerning these things(Like precipitation in a water bottle). It's useless talking to someone ignorant on simple matters such as these and wondering why their theist...

I could delve deeper into why your beliefs of a god controlling everything actually undermines the "glory" of such a god and is illogical, but I'll leave that to you as it's a waste of time speaking about such on a forum. Go research basic philosohpers such as David Hume, Kant, etc...

The problem is, nobody knows where any of the material or energy of the universe really comes from. All the theories we have about things like Big Bang are so full of holes that they are mostly empty space, like what atoms are.

[Spendulus]

Not god exist....

Allah Exist Everywhere...!!!

Once, a Bedouin was asked what made an unsophisticated man like him believe in Allah. The Bedouin said, "Do you see these marks in the sand?" "Yes," the man replied. "What do they tell you?" asked the Bedouin. "A camel went by," answered the man. The Bedouin then asked, "Did you see the camel?" The man replied, "No, but these footprints in the sand suggest that a camel made them." "Do you see these mountains?" questioned the Bedouin. He continued, "They are indicative to me that Allah made them."

Allah made these Stars,Mountains,Sun,Clouds,Sea,Rivers,Moon....!!!

If Allah not exist then who made these things ?

Allah Is Great !!!

These are basic and explained in science class. Stars are composed of Gas, Mountains made by shifts in the tectonic plates, Clouds are formed by water, and the Ocean/seas/rivers are composed of water which is composed of Hydrogen and Oxygen.


The reason people are religous is largely because of ignorance/not knowing these things.

Hahahahaha in which institution you know about these things and who told you about these illogical things........

clouds are made by water...!!!
U give water for making of clouds??
rivers,seas are made of water
Is this water given by you??
from where u get hydrogen and oxygen??
 Mountains made by shifts in the tectonic plates....
who shift these plates You...

Ok I'm done, go to science class or do expirments concerning these things(Like precipitation in a water bottle). It's useless talking to someone ignorant on simple matters such as these and wondering why their theist...

I could delve deeper into why your beliefs of a god controlling everything actually undermines the "glory" of such a god and is illogical, but I'll leave that to you as it's a waste of time speaking about such on a forum. Go research basic philosohpers such as David Hume, Kant, etc...

The problem is, nobody knows where any of the material or energy of the universe really comes from. All the theories we have about things like Big Bang are so full of holes that they are mostly empty space, like what atoms are.

The problem with these statements....

clouds are made by water...!!!
U give water for making of clouds??
rivers,seas are made of water
Is this water given by you??
from where u get hydrogen and oxygen??
 Mountains made by shifts in the tectonic plates....
who shift these plates You...

Is that they obscure understanding of cause and effect, and attribute things to a higher power, which obfuscates actual gaining of knowledge.

The problem with your statement...

The problem is, nobody knows where any of the material or energy of the universe really comes from. All the theories we have about things like Big Bang are so full of holes that they are mostly empty space, like what atoms are.
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Is that you don't know squat about science, because you read religious crap about science.

[BADecker]

Not god exist....

Allah Exist Everywhere...!!!

Once, a Bedouin was asked what made an unsophisticated man like him believe in Allah. The Bedouin said, "Do you see these marks in the sand?" "Yes," the man replied. "What do they tell you?" asked the Bedouin. "A camel went by," answered the man. The Bedouin then asked, "Did you see the camel?" The man replied, "No, but these footprints in the sand suggest that a camel made them." "Do you see these mountains?" questioned the Bedouin. He continued, "They are indicative to me that Allah made them."

Allah made these Stars,Mountains,Sun,Clouds,Sea,Rivers,Moon....!!!

If Allah not exist then who made these things ?

Allah Is Great !!!

These are basic and explained in science class. Stars are composed of Gas, Mountains made by shifts in the tectonic plates, Clouds are formed by water, and the Ocean/seas/rivers are composed of water which is composed of Hydrogen and Oxygen.


The reason people are religous is largely because of ignorance/not knowing these things.

Hahahahaha in which institution you know about these things and who told you about these illogical things........

clouds are made by water...!!!
U give water for making of clouds??
rivers,seas are made of water
Is this water given by you??
from where u get hydrogen and oxygen??
 Mountains made by shifts in the tectonic plates....
who shift these plates You...

Ok I'm done, go to science class or do expirments concerning these things(Like precipitation in a water bottle). It's useless talking to someone ignorant on simple matters such as these and wondering why their theist...

I could delve deeper into why your beliefs of a god controlling everything actually undermines the "glory" of such a god and is illogical, but I'll leave that to you as it's a waste of time speaking about such on a forum. Go research basic philosohpers such as David Hume, Kant, etc...

The problem is, nobody knows where any of the material or energy of the universe really comes from. All the theories we have about things like Big Bang are so full of holes that they are mostly empty space, like what atoms are.

The problem with these statements....

clouds are made by water...!!!
U give water for making of clouds??
rivers,seas are made of water
Is this water given by you??
from where u get hydrogen and oxygen??
 Mountains made by shifts in the tectonic plates....
who shift these plates You...

Is that they obscure understanding of cause and effect, and attribute things to a higher power, which obfuscates actual gaining of knowledge.

The problem with your statement...

The problem is, nobody knows where any of the material or energy of the universe really comes from. All the theories we have about things like Big Bang are so full of holes that they are mostly empty space, like what atoms are.
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Is that you don't know squat about science, because you read religious crap about science.

The most important thing to know about science is, when you get down to the scientific papers, they are a lot different than the public opinion about the things that the papers talk about. The papers make points. They often go on to draw conclusions about the points. Other people draw conclusions about the points, as well. The conclusions mushroom into something like the Big Bang as truth when all it is, is some kind of fanciful sci-fi idea at its basic core.

Since everything operates by cause and effect, and since there is no pure random (only a thing we call random because we are so obscure that we barely know anything that is going on in the universe), whatever got the cause and effect going is so extremely great and far beyond us, the the only thing we can do is call it God.

Use your head, sometime, for something besides a propaganda rack (don't know if you have hair or not).

[Spendulus]

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The most important thing to know about science is, when you get down to the scientific papers, they are a lot different than the public opinion about the things that the papers talk about. The papers make points. They often go on to draw conclusions about the points. Other people draw conclusions about the points, as well. The conclusions mushroom into something like the Big Bang as truth when all it is, is some kind of fanciful sci-fi idea at its basic core.

Since everything operates by cause and effect, and since there is no pure random (only a thing we call random because we are so obscure that we barely know anything that is going on in the universe), whatever got the cause and effect going is so extremely great and far beyond us, the the only thing we can do is call it God. 

Use your head, sometime, for something besides a propaganda rack (don't know if you have hair or not).

Yes, random exists.

No, there is no fanciful sci-fi idea at the basic core of Big Bang theory.

There is just mathematics, and physics measurements.  From these the age of the universe can be calculated.  Anyone pretty much can replicate the experiments and verify the conclusions.  13.8 Billion years, and the universe is expanding.  It's eventual collapse is based on calculations of the aggregate gravitational forces.  Not really that complicated. 

Why not go back to 911 conspiracy theories?   There we were sticking to high school level math and physics.  What do you say?