Since the year started with a good results by moving from $20k to $24k this year As said, you've started with inaccuracies. Even more, the tiny 4k movement means nothing in the grand scheme of things. Just look at the whole price chart. because, the price of BTC will surely reach $80k before the end of this year 2023.
Are you sure investors will experience $80 this year?
So you fist say that people should take advantage of the low price because it'll rise to 80k... then kinda ask us if it's (surely) so? No, I'm not sure of any price level for Bitcoin. And, to go on the actual speculation area, I don't even expect 80k this year. I would be happy even with 50k. The 80k I expect for next year though. But again, what I expect and what will happen... those may be wildly different things. So it's nice to tell people be careful and don't miss the train, but on the other hand make sure you remind them only invest what they afford to lose, else if tomorrow the price will go a tad lower, they'll already panic and sell. |
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Pai la asta ma refeream si eu -- macar de-am reusi sa platim arenda / chiria / ce-o fi cu bitcoin; cel caruia-i platim sa cumpere de la noi ceva tot cu bitcoin si asa mai departe. Macar la scara mica de-am reusi si tot ar fi bine. Dar nu prea reusim nici asta. Problema mea este ca atata timp cat noi stam doar in bula noastra, nu o sa reusim sa il convingem pe gradinar sa se uite la bitcoin. Doar daca fiu-sau sau nepotul il vor convinge.. adica incet, tarziu, vai de noi... Raspunsul (trist) s-ar putea afla in ceea ce acrisesem ca o anticipatie, in postarea mea anteriara. Mai precis, ar putea-o face fix pentru a da o lovitura finala intregului sistem crypto. Desigur, daca ajung si capii lumii sa realizeze ca astfel ar putea, in sfarsit, centraliza tot. Poate ca nu-si vor da seama insa... Cred ca e cu doua taisuri. Bitcoin poate sa devina un sistem de plati superb, dar nu cred ca asta se poate intampla in mod anonim. Este o lovitura data intregului sistem? Discutabil... Da, este o lovitura sub centura tuturor celor care doresc sa ramana anonimi si sa nu isi bage guvernul nasul unde nu-i fierbe oala. Dar vasta majoritate ar considera asta un succes. Iar ca pas 2, in functie de implementarea sistemului de plati cu bitcoin, se va putea renunta la moneda (si banca!) nationala samd. Iar cei care detin mii / milioane de BTC, din timpuri ancestrale, vor fi nevoiti sa transfere fondurile pe cardurile de debit. Si, cum prin crearea cardurilor trc prin KYC, vor trece prin KYC toate acele milioane de monede, in functie de cat va cheltui fiecare...
Voi trece cu vederea peste faptul ca actualele carti de debit crypto nu platesc cu crypto, ci cu fiat (se converteste crypto in fiat in momentul platii sau, in multe cazuri, chiar mai inainte) si voi considera ca vor deveni instrumente de plata cu Bitcoin... Atunci, da, in teorie, se poate ce zici tu. Cred ca ar putea rezolva problema foarte simplu: doar cine merge la casa de marcat cu un card de debit crypto va putea plati cu crypto. Adica iti vor interzice, pur si simplu, sa platesti cu telefonul. Avand card inseamna automat ca ai trecut prin KYC. Deci esti "eligibil", in ochii guvernului (si, implicit, in ochii magazinului, care se va conforma legii). Nu ai card de debit crypto? Nu poti plati. Si cardurile de debit crypto au aparut de mult... Probabil ca se vor limita sa le accepte doar pe marii industriasi - Visa, Mastercard si alte cateva si asta e tot - voila  Am lasat asta la sfarsit fiindca nu cred ca va merge. Azi lumea prefera sa plateasca cu telefonul, plata cu cardul nici macar nu mai e la moda. Asa afla si Apple/Google/... si Visa, si banca pe unde ai mai umblat. Lumea doreste sa faca totul din telefon sau bratara inteligenta. Deci eliminarea platii cu telefonul (inclusiv din portofel bitcoin) nu cred ca va merge. Si nici nu cred ca trebuie insistat. In 1-2 generatii cam toti bitoinii din circulatie tot vor ajunge sub umbrela KYC. Vorba lui Agent Smith: it's inevitable. |
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let’s do some simple maths.
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$1000 times 20,000,000 investor, capital would be sum up to $20 billions...
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$1.6m times 20,000,000 investor,
$32,000,000,000,000! $32 trillions!
When I look at the market cap of the Microsoft today it’s just worth some $3.2 trillions. Which is 90% shortfalls!
Well, this is not how this math was done. Just google a little for it. For example one thing you've missed from your calculations was the stock splits (plus you may have wrongly assumed that all the initial investors would buy 1000$ worth of shares) Had you invested $1,000 in Microsoft at its IPO, you would have acquired 47 shares at $21 per share. Adjusting for the stock splits, you'd actually have 13,536 shares today with a cost basis of $0.0729 per share.
Given Microsoft now trades at $238.73 per share, that translates to a return of 327,401%.
In dollar terms, that $1,000 investment in 1986 would be worth a whopping $3.23 million today. And you can add on top of this also the dividends. Really, you could have been just researching a little before posting... |
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Si tot pe acelasi subiect, cred ca si campania de recenzii Betnomi este la fel de usoara pentru cine are chef si timp (adica se pot vedea multe fara sa faci KYC si fara sa depui bani). Ah, da? Eu credeam ca e musai cu KYC. In cazul acesta, poate o sa incerc sa arunc si eu o privire, in limita timpului disponibil. Merci ca mi-ai spus. Na, trebuie sa iti placa sa joci, ca altfel sunt sanse ca recenzia sa fie ignorata. Cel putin asta scrie in prima postare. Dar: * foarte multe jocuri se pot juca cu bani-fara-valoare emisi de cazinou * iti poti face o impresie destul de clara fara sa joci la toate jocurile * eu am avut si acel pariu gratuit, e adevarat, dar cred ca tot ai ce scrie, chiar mai mult decat au scris altii * daca tii neaparat sa depui, poti juca si pe bani, iar la sume mici de retras probabil ca nu se vor incurca sa iti ceara KYC (totusi recomand sa incerci intai ce poti incerca gratis) * inca nici macar nu s-au rezervat (ce sa vorbim de scris recenziile) cele 50 de locuri initiale pentru recenzii, iar cele 2 saptamani in care se asteptau sa primeasca recenziile au trecut (iti recomand totusi sa iti rezervi un loc inainte sa te apuci sa te uiti pe acolo) Nu ar strica totusi mentionat ca eu inca nu am fost platit pentru acea recenzie... |
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De fapt da si nu chiar. Cred ca Satoshi si-ar fi dorit ca intr-o zi cu soare sa ajungem sa putem cumpara linistit cu Bitcoin, direct, orice dorim. Stiu si eu... Sincer, nu cred ca Satoshi si-a imaginat cu adevarat ca inventia lui va fi folosita peste tot in lume, la casele de marcat, PoS-uri etc. Eu unul cred ca s-a gandit / a sperat mai mult ca oamenii sa poata face tranzactii macar intre ei -- oamenii normali, oamenii "de rand". Adica nu cred ca s-a gandit si la persoanele juridice; cel putin nu la scara larga. Cred ca a vrut ca gradinarul sa poata plati arenda trerenului cu bitcoin; arendasul sa incaseze bitcoin de la gradinar si, la randul sau, sa-i plateasca cu bitcoin legumele pe care le cumpara... Si, macar de-ar fi asa, si tot ar fi bine! Pai bun, dar si asta ar fi tot plata directa cu bitcoin pentru orice. S-ar incadra. Problema e ca (o sa raman pe exemplul tau) noi inca mergem sa vindem bitcoin pentru lei ca sa-i dam gradinarului acei lei... Iar el plateste arenda in lei. Adica noi in bula noastra, iar ei tot cu fiat-ul lor, tot cu inflatie si toate cele. Deci sa tranzactionam astfel... doar fiat vs bitcoin... e departe de a fi optim.
Ar fi bine pentru pastrarea intimitatii, dar... cam atat... Pai... dat fiind ca platile crypto nu au fost (inca) implementate la scara larga si sa reusim sa ne pastram intimitatea e ceva. Eu cred ca e prea putin. Si daca mergem in aceasta directie s-ar putea sa nu implementeze niciodata platile crypto. De ce ar face-o, daca noi suntem mai mult decat fericiti cu fiat-ul lor? Si, ma gandesc uneori, daca se vor implementa aceste plati crypto la scara larga (gen ce intentioneaza sa faca Jack Mallers), tare imi e teama ca se vor impune niste legi prin care nu vei putea face plati anonime. In sensul ca, ma gandesc, vor emite niste legi prin care sa fie acceptate doar platile cu carti de debit crypto, nu si din portofelul personal detinut pe telefon. Si, daca va fi asa, va fi teribil. Pe de-o parte, crypto va fi utilizat in toata lumea dar, pe de alta parte, guvernele se pot folosi de asta pentru cea mai mare lovitura data utilizatorilor: sa le impuna carti de debit (care, implicit, inseamna KYC). Si, cum spiritul de turma are influente enorme, 90% o sa se buluceasca sa aiba astfel de carti de debit, moment in care guvernele ar centraliza crypto complet aproape complet. Sper sa ma insel insa.
Din pacate cred ca spre asta se merge. Si s-ar putea ca Satoshi sa fi stiut asta, ca altfel inventa ... Monero  Dar el a lasat totul la vedere. Partea cu neacceptarea portofelului personal nu cred ca va tine. Adica ce o sa faca cei care au mii si milioane de bitcoin dinaintea aparitiei acelor legi?! Plus, ar fi o logistica impresionanta ca doar platile din partea anumitor adrese (sau zPub?) sa fie acceptate. Nu cred ca se vor complica in asemenea hal. Dar da, vor urmari toate tranzactiile, chiar mai abitir decat se face acum cu cardurile de fiat. |
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With a strategy to stop the growth of bitcoins by reducing the community behind it, Is it possible that the government (say a collective effort by them all) target bitcointalk since it is the largest community bitcoin has(I think), to stop the activities of forum members from staying together to ensure that this community is disbanded?
Nothing is impossible, although banning a forum/website of basically geeks discussing doesn't look like an useful move and they may need solid legal ground for it. And if they take down this forum, people will find out soon enough from Twitter, Nostr and the huge number of Telegram channels what would be the new platform they can gather. So it would be only a temporary setback. I think that: 1. You may have the impression that this community is bigger and more important than it is. 2. The crypto related noise on Twitter, for example, is much more visible and much more toxic imho; that could be a much easier and much more likely target. |
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- What does it mean it actually mean to DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH?
Read as much as you can from multiple sources (including questions on the forum), get to understand which information is reliable, synthetize all of this into the answers you need. - What are the steps to start to take? Technical analysis? Fundamental analysis? Sentimental analysis? Depending for what. Is this for trading? Then understand that TA alone is never enough, get prepared for big sudden changes in any direction. Is this for investing? Then learn to look at the big picture and to ignore the noise. Also learn about patience and trust. And clearly, understand what Bitcoin is about. Is this for something else? Since Bitcoin is not only about trading, investing, spending... - How did you or do you DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH ?
Many hours on the forum. Plus a lot of googling, reading around and YouTube too. |
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Sometimes I find myself being added to Telegram groups where they are doing bounty campaigns for new coins but at the end of the day, people will start complaining that the project is dead. In most cases I exited from the groups immediately I find myself there because I feel they are prone to defrauding people.
This makes me to wonder if bounties really pay.
It heavily depends on the bounty and the bounty manager (that's why bounties on bitcointalk are somewhat safer than the ones on Telegram). Clearly there are many projects that don't intend to pay, hence only the ones with escrowed funds or reputable bounty managers worth any attention. Then, no matter how good they pay, you bear a huge risk anyway because they most probably pay with their own coin/token which in most cases will never become valuable. So yes, if you already have that feeling, flee as soon as you can and don't look back. And as others said, in the vast majority of cases you'll do free advertising, since you'll end up with nothing or with nothing valuable. |
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They're early yet and one will still need to understand what AI have done in order to tell the job was done correctly or not. So the jobs are not at an imminent risk... yet.
But on long term.. just imagine a script kiddie just asks AI to write him quickly a malware or a hack. Or the secretary asks AI to make a malware she can plant easily on her boss' computer.
I mean that these guys are not far from truth: this easy access to information at such a high level can open Pandora's box.
No matter how skilled somebody is, AI will fill the gaps. And this can be used easier for evil than for good.
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The AI should be smart enough to know that the definition should be based on the whole system and not just the currency, as simple as this: Bitcoin is a peer-to-peer electronic cash system. Followed by with an inbuilt currency called bitcoin.. The AI is still learning. And Bitcoin is highly complex, actually. I think that is still gives not-so-bad explanations (not definition). Far from perfect, but not bad. Nobody should ever trust the AI. It's actually not a good AI. The point of AI is to (ever) learn. And we, bitcoiners, should know best how this is: AI is still early (sounds familiar?) Clearly, the answers of now are, by far, not to be trusted. It's risky to rely only on that. On the other hand: * most people don't care of bitcoin more than what's in ChatGPT's answer(s) * it's impressive that it didn't go by the official/newspaper-like narrative (scam, ponzi, overly risky, drug money, ... name it); keep in mind that the system is trained to the data up to.. 2 years ago? |
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Incerc, pe cat posibil, sa am grija si de viata mea  Uite, pe 3 ianuarie mi-am reinnoit abonamentul la sala pe 3 luni  Bravo! Pur si simplu a fost o conjunctura potrivita Wow, tot nu as fi avut rabdarea ta... Plus ca si daca as avea 100 de zile de stat smirna la calculator, as avea 1001 de chestii de facut (ramase ca le-oi face "candva") de care sa ma apun inainte sa ma ocup de spam la asemenea nivel. Da, cand nimeresc peste spam si alte postari dubioase in frunzarirea de zi cu zi a forumului, sigur ca le raportez. Dar sa ma arunc benevol intr-o "mare de spam" nu as face, nu stiu daca mi-ar face bine Clar ce ai realizat este i m p r e s i o n a n t !
Inapoi la topic: am participat si la campania de recenzii Utopia. Multumesc ca ai adus-o in atentia noastra! Este o platforma interesanta... si au fost niste banuti usori. Si tot pe acelasi subiect, cred ca si campania de recenzii Betnomi este la fel de usoara pentru cine are chef si timp (adica se pot vedea multe fara sa faci KYC si fara sa depui bani). |
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at first, I ignored them, thinking they are beggars (Yes, seriously!) But they came after me. Seeing they insist I thought they need some assistance and I told myself to hear them out. I asked 3 times the guy to repeat himself until I understood what he was saying: "Police airport, follow us please"" O...my.. god.... LOL!!!! And, after all this procedure ended, they told me I looked suspicious because I was returning home with 3 planes, instead of 1 or 2 (facepalm). And I was almost losing my plane because of them! Actually I've seen this logic (at Discovery Channel or similar) on Airport Security related shows and the logic is that if you change too many planes or you stay only a day at a vacation place you're automatically suspicious (because the detour/extra stops may mean you meet some dealers). However, one can easily keep his seed phrase safely and separately and he can avoid surprises until the legislation becomes clearer. Do you think such ambiguous legislation will be updated soon...? Well, "soon" is a relative term. But in 10-15 years we should have it. Maybe earlier, who knows? |
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Lasand gluma la o parte, se pare ca ajungem ca tranzactiile fata in fata sa fie cele mai OK. Daca este asa, atunci vom ajunge sa ne comportam asa cum a prevazut (si si-a dorit) Satoshi: I've been working on a new electronic cash system that's fully peer-to-peer, with no trusted third party. [...]
We very, very much need such a system Ceea ce nu ar fi un lucru rau. De fapt da si nu chiar. Cred ca Satoshi si-ar fi dorit ca intr-o zi cu soare sa ajungem sa putem cumpara linistit cu Bitcoin, direct, orice dorim. Deci sa tranzactionam astfel... doar fiat vs bitcoin... e departe de a fi optim. Ar fi bine pentru pastrarea intimitatii, dar... cam atat... |
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Edit: If you wait long enough, it does fully load. It just got a bit slower somehow. Either due to size growth of the table or they just have a slow day today..  Yep, I can confirm, now it works. 2h ago it was either a glitch, either just very slow, especially as I tried on Tor browser, I don't know. |
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Cryptpad does not seem to load at all and gets stuck at "uploading shared folders".  In my case it went on, but said then "This pad is not in your CryptDrive. Do you want to store it now?". So I'd guess it's not there; maybe got a new name/URL at (re)upload, I don't know. |
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Your Phone's OEM would typically not allow some changes on your phone because of security vulnerabilities I would not be that certain even about this; the phone's original OS can have bugs and the various manufacturers' updates don't come that fast, plus, you don't know what bugs and open doors the phone's manufacturer software has (some even left on purpose). Imho unless you really know what you're doing and you really know what your OS is doing (which I doubt it's the case for phones), having/using a hot wallet is a risk. |
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What caused the resurgence of this debate lol Gavin's writing is one key "documents" CSW is relying on in his lawsuits against everybody contesting his claims or exposing is lies. CSW already managed to obtain court order hence bitcoin whitepaper is not available on bitcoin.org for UK people (IPs). CSW is dragging into lawsuits from people on Twitter to Bitcoin businesses and even Bitcoin developers for not allowing him to steal millions of bitcoin. So... it's not a small thing this update. |
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No one else had problems with ivanov except me? In the early days of WAVES I've got booked to make a translation for him and when I've finished he didn't want to pay me - basically he double booked by mistake this language and he paid the other translator. But I started soon enough to complain on Twitter about this, and in very few days he approached me and paid his debt. So.. my case was solved, I don't have anything to complain. And, although I've kept my WAVES for longer than I should have, I still sold them many years ago so I can't tell more. I have reported him to SEC months ago no action, the dude needs to go. I don't know where Sasha resides in, especially now because of the war, but I don't think that SEC can do much outside of USA. And the world is bigger than that. But the options are fading. I would try my luck on Twitter, as already said, and maybe I would also try my luck in that altcoins area too. |
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Lol.... naaah, my bad!
No worries. As I said, I understood. Well, OP has started his journey in 2017. So while he indeed seems to need such links, the wording "start your journey" is inaccurate |
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bitcoin can Crashed again Below $20K Level or Not ? Nothing is impossible, especially on short term. Even on long term, we don't have crystal globes here. It's a Bitcoin forum here, so you'll find out that we trust Bitcoin and we think that its price will grow, still, Bitcoin is a rather risky investment and you should invest only money you afford to lose and only if you understand what you're doing (because bitcoin is also very easy to get stolen). how much Probability for Down ? I think it's not too big, but I'm no expert and I was wrong before with my expectations. suggest please I can bear some Loss but Can,t afford 100% loss 100% loss by price going down is highly unlikely. However, as I said, you also need to learn to protect your coins properly against theft. And, as FTX story shown us, you will have to learn to be your own bank. waiting for all expert members suggestion? Whoever calls himself expert will be proven wrong by the history. We're just normal people and we may or may not be wrong. You should gather all the information you can get and take your own decisions. Sort of like asking an obsessive car collector whether it is a good idea to collect cars. And yet, most of the answers are not bad at all (including yours!) |
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