No, we don't.
Smile and say "thank you!"
Google Phineas Taylor Barnum. There is no such thing as bad publicity.
I agree and disagree simultaneously. These words are often said by showmen, and they are true for showmen. But if, for example, a doctor will become well known after some public person will call him a bad specialist, he will probably lose all his clients if he won't prove the opposite. "Thank you" is also a response  But in some cases it can bee too weak, it can simply be flooded with torrents of libeling messages and lost within them. A brand consists not only of an awareness component, but also of a set of associations. It's especially important to remember when we are speaking about newbees whose mind is open to any manipulation. I concede your point. However, I object to "retaliatory" as it implies that something is wrong on the side retaliating. Demonstrating point by point why the black PR is wrong, showing associations, etc, that can be of use. But straight up retaliating, smearing them as it were, makes it seem as if they hold the high ground. Troll bashing is fun, but can take a lot of time better spent elsewhere. |
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@jbreher, I still haven't gotten to my dissertation here. Sorry, work has been crazy. I can dash off stuff from the top of my head, but that's really not sufficient to our debate. I haven't forgotten  |
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Any thoughts on what the bottom might be? 0.000025?
1 sat. Who knows. Its murder.  The bottom will form in the point where the majority of stakers will decide that it is more advantageous not to dump right now but compound for future. Even if there will exist few whales who dump regularly, when the diff rises, they will stake and dump less and less. As to black PR, we need some retaliatory actions. No, we don't. Smile and say "thank you!" Google Phineas Taylor Barnum. There is no such thing as bad publicity. As to the ups and downs of exchanges, that's normal. No big deal. This coin's ultimate numbers are going to be huge. It's likely over time that the per unit price will NOT be very large, but the number of coins will conpensate. That is what I've thought from the beginning. Frankly, I would be fine with it being around 300 sats, as I have no incentive to dump at that range, and would think others would feel the same. Just a steady feed into the market of a small percentage of my stake, while allowing that pile to grow larger and larger. So while my percentage will probably be the same, the number that represents continues to grow larger. "fast" minting requires large amounts of coin, and the only way to get large amounts of coin is to NOT sell, so this creates a fairly good "bottom" to the market. At the moment, I've only sold once, during a personal emergency. I made a five bagger on that and still held close to half my position. That was at 1800 sats, and a while back. I'm not an admirer of Milton's economic strategies in the world at large, but some of his ideas apply very directly to the workings of THIS coin, and are probably valid. |
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<lol> 16 pages of 2 fudders vs the trolled <lol>
More like four  It was fun for a minute. |
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Well, I definitely am not interested in reading repetitive and obsessive nutballs.
LOL! I think you're on the wrong forum, then. We got lots of those. |
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You can PM me, I've been into Earthcoin since the beginning (not here, one Earthcointalk) and have some contact left there.
I'll second this. I have some contacts still as well. I don't know who is still on the dev team, but I didn't leave on bad terms. I can probably get you in touch with some people. |
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No they shouldn't. Anytime somebody tries to sell a coin using unsolicited advice (meaning nobody here ever asked you for your opinion), I immediately assume that person is composed entirely of garbage. I don't know how they talk or walk around, but their bones, muscle and cartilage have somehow all been replaced with rotting refuse, along with the thing that is supposed to resemble a brain. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH TEK!!! This is the thing, TEK was launched way more fair than HYP. TEK was announced in Cryptsy chat for all to see, and later the announcements made to forums. TEK is STILL MINEABLE. So that proves it is much more fair. Just saying! Buy TEK from here: https://www.cryptsy.com/markets/view/TEK_BTCJust as I suspected.. This thread is run by TEK groupies. Pathetic, whiny little bitches. Get a life losers. Hey, I'm a TEK groupie. Also HYP. One need not be loyal to only one coin. |
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HYPster, it happens We're pretty friendly here, unlike a lot of BCT. Do you have any experience compiling windows wallets? +10 love it, by the way do you? Me? no. I'm trying to learn, but I've had so much going on, and no dedicated Windows machine, that I can't say when I'll get it done. I'm pretty good with Linux wallets, QT and daemon. Well Bio, the way you are going with playing with compilers and code you might end up being a coder yourself. Would not surprise me you might be a gifted coder as well.  Looking forward to your 1st project ! I've definitely caught the bug It's likely that I'll learn programming the way I've learned nearly everything else about computers. I will find EVERY way to break it first |
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ive got a few ideas in mind i just want to run them through my mind a bit more before i post them...ill just say this...for now...ive been in crypto only a few months (since juneish) and this is BY FAR, the best coin/idea ive EVER seen...thank you guys for all you do ill be posting soon with a few ideas, thanks!
just one quick questions, are you wanting ideas JUST for HYP loan? or for HYP in general?
This lot? We want it all Seriously, a lot of ideas have been bandied around HYP since its launch, and a bunch have happened. This community is a brain incubator. Throw it in the pot, see what happens. The guys here are good at giving credit where it's due too. |
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All right, @ Spoetnik. I backed off, you didn't.
Facts.. - You admitted i have made good points and that YOU "contributed" to coding for many coins. (more than one is many i think) You never showed your face in the altcoin scene ever before.. until now in this topic ONLY ! ..rather odd isn't it ? I brought up your possible connections to other accounts because a lot of fishyness surrounds everything you say. please keep talking.. you are in over time doing damage control, cleaning up the mess of this "experiment" coin and the continued garbage you keep spewing.. digging a hole for yourself ! and i think your sweating because of connections to other coins that no matter how many times i have asked.. you keep hiding and playing games about. kinda funny you have been around so long and none of us seen a word form you before AND that you made other coins and yet you refuse to name them. and.. that you refuse to tell us what accounts you have used here.. your hiding and playing games and "contributing" to countless coins LOL for every 10 coins these kind of guys admit to it's more like 100 they made !  and i have given you large amounts of time to make up shit and come back and twist shit around.. me..... i have come up with my comments off the top of my head and NO i will not be "backing off". don't like it ? .. go create an account + coin about itFun Fact: Notice how Shakezulu never comes and talks no mater what ? (he lost his password ?) ohhh he retired right ? mmmmmmmmmm hhhhhhhmmmmmm and the huuuuuuuuuuuuge vast amount of people who have worked with Shakezulu and talked to him every day for years are 100% silent ? odd ? Shakezulu = a million clone coins + a million identities = for years ! I have to wonder now, what drugs you're on. I did not say I have contributed to many coins. I said I have been involved with many coins. Learn English, it's my first language and I use it properly. I've "never shown my face in the alt coins sections before"... Put DOWN the crack pipe. The vast majority of my 2,451 posts on this forum have been in the alt sections. The remainder have been in mining and politics. That I have refrained from interacting with YOU does not mean that I haven't been here. What coins have I participated (traded, talked about, helped test, compiled wallets from source, bitched on, praised..) in? Bitcoin Litecoin Tekcoin Earthcoin (my only dabbling as part of a development team) Sync Fire Doge DEM 42 UNO ....and many others that I have mined or traded at some point. Long term involvement, EAC, TEK. From launch, Fork, however you wish to characterize it, HYP. Code contributions? 2 lines of code amended in the .pro file for FIRE to make it compile under ubuntu 14.04. Because I figured it out by comparing the file with another coin's .pro file. I don't know who you think I am, but if you had the ability to operate a fucking WEB BROWSER, you have my real name and therefore just about everything interesting about me. It's hardly difficult, man, basic computing skills. The avatar to the left is my picture, about a year and a half ago. I have better glasses and have let my hair revert to it's natural color. I am who I say I am, and have no reason or desire to hide it. I'm far more arrogant than that. Aside from an African king who stood against the british, who the fuck is shakezulu? Again, I have NEVER claimed I was a developer, other than the PR guy for Earthcoin. Not once, in over 2,000 posts. I'm an enthusiast, an investor, often a cheerleader for the coins I like. I don't know where you pulled that rabbit out of, but frankly, I deal with crazy people enough in real life. This is my last response to you, regardless of yours. People who I like and trust say you mean well. On that word, and that alone, I have continued to interact here. But clearly, you're mind is not functioning on a normal or even sane level. I talk a lot. I may be damned, but I won't be damned by YOUR words in MY mouth. Damn me for who I am, if you will, but I will not allow you to damn me for your hallucinations. |
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No worries I'm not going anywhere. Well, my HYP aren't anyway. On another note, any idea who Hypnotique is? Well spoken, but the thread and account were clearly created as an attack. Sorry I got caught up in it, but after over a year of Spoetnik's crap, I was provoked. Got it out of my system now. Only thing I agreed with them on was the short notice on launch. I believe I said so at the time It worked out as far as I'm concerned. And lastly congrats to Jaybeeuk! Keep us posted, eh? I have my suspicions. I have a buddy that who works for a company that makes A LOT of money from their world renowned author recognition software. I may just have him run a few of my suspicions through the software.. If I care enough. Honestly it seems a bit suspicious that all of the other PoS devs that have been dormant for months, are now all of a sudden active, and also posting alongside certain trolls. I think those lazy devs that do nothing more than copy NovaCoin commits line for line, are a bit jealous that original work is being put into a wallet by multiple people, not just me. Honestly it blows me away that some of these have never been paid attention to. For example I just added this commit: https://github.com/presstab/HyperStake/commit/8d9502496b47f75b23f6c53c19007db43c9d1954It adds the ability to export each block and its corresponding difficulty to a .csv file, something that is obviously useful for all who want it. It was literally this easy: Value exportdifficulty(const Array& params, bool fHelp)
{
if (fHelp || params.size() < 1 || params.size() > 2)
throw runtime_error(
"export difficulty <interval> <directory>\n"
"interval will give difficulty for every Xth block\n"
"directory is the location to export the csv: C:\\example.csv)");
int nInterval = params[0].get_int();
std::string strDir = params[1].get_str();
ofstream File;
File.open(strDir.c_str());
File << "Block, Difficulty" << endl;
for(int i = 0; i < nBestHeight; i += nInterval)
{
File << i;
File << ",";
File << GetDifficulty(FindBlockByHeight(i)) << endl;
}
File.close();
return "succesfully exported";
I think that certain people might feel a little threatened that some people that aren't part of what I and a few others call "the old guard", are coming together, asking what users want, and coding it. Thats my best guess. But FUD never really ever makes complete sense to me. It would have made more sense to have a coding "arms race" between competing coins rather than a FUD storm. I think I've been hanging around you too long I almost understand that. If it were me, I'd probably just let it lie. He made his points, and got a reaction. I think he failed in his aims if they were anything more than that. As I said, he was well spoken. Unusual for a troll. And I agree with the arms race. Like I said there, I think that all of these ideas and implementations will eventually coalesce into something fantastic. A lot of coins got nothin', however they were launched, and some that get no attention are surprisingly innovative. Bitcoin is king because it was there first. At this time, almost every alt has some technical advantage over bitcoin. Sooner or later, that will be noticed. The ones that break through will probably surprise all of us. @Billotronic, I have been irritated by Spoetnik for most of my time on BCT, but left it be. Sometimes he's right, and maybe he does mean well, but his style is guaranteed to make enemies, and his opening salvo is always an ad hominem. That indicates that he has no argument and knows it, or that he's mentally unstable. I'm leaning toward the latter. |
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HYPster, it happens We're pretty friendly here, unlike a lot of BCT. Do you have any experience compiling windows wallets? +10 love it, by the way do you? Me? no. I'm trying to learn, but I've had so much going on, and no dedicated Windows machine, that I can't say when I'll get it done. I'm pretty good with Linux wallets, QT and daemon. |
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HYPster, it happens We're pretty friendly here, unlike a lot of BCT. Do you have any experience compiling windows wallets? |
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Hmm interesting. 41 days... Couldn't wait that long. I bit the bullet and lost potential stake of around 1.6 k HYP with several 250 block inputs and just consolidated them into a 4.1 k block. I hope through my constant investing and staking I should be able to recoup for lost time  The blocks were approaching the 30 day mark and gave up lol It was real early on. With the new diff, I'd bet it would be longer. I'm curious. I'm going to send one coin to an address. I'll post it up here, and we'll see how long it takes to stake 036bd31c77edb3dbfd9cdc5014dce24a84bca22c3bb5915afafabd87cd8cf0c5-000 TX ID, and address for those who are curious: pSTdDBKzCH1wqsRTTpkDY8rtAXyFqYwKG4 Let's see how that rolls. With the rising diff, I'm going to guess between 60 and 70 days. That's based on my gut and nothing scientific Since staking is random, it might be the most beneficial to throw 100 or so blocks to the same address and then see the average time to stake. Or else it is similar to a polling group calling one person. I would be happy to send some inputs to that wallet for you if you agree to it? Sure. Keep me informed of how much you send, so I can return it when the experiment is done. I just sent you 9 more 1 HYP blocks. 100 would have taken a long time got 'em. Wallet is always open, so we'll see how it goes Biomech thanks for your willingness to test these things out. I am expecting that we won't be hearing back about this issue for months, if ever No worries I'm not going anywhere. Well, my HYP aren't anyway. On another note, any idea who Hypnotique is? Well spoken, but the thread and account were clearly created as an attack. Sorry I got caught up in it, but after over a year of Spoetnik's crap, I was provoked. Got it out of my system now. Only thing I agreed with them on was the short notice on launch. I believe I said so at the time It worked out as far as I'm concerned. And lastly congrats to Jaybeeuk! Keep us posted, eh? |
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Hmm interesting. 41 days... Couldn't wait that long. I bit the bullet and lost potential stake of around 1.6 k HYP with several 250 block inputs and just consolidated them into a 4.1 k block. I hope through my constant investing and staking I should be able to recoup for lost time The blocks were approaching the 30 day mark and gave up lol It was real early on. With the new diff, I'd bet it would be longer. I'm curious. I'm going to send one coin to an address. I'll post it up here, and we'll see how long it takes to stake 036bd31c77edb3dbfd9cdc5014dce24a84bca22c3bb5915afafabd87cd8cf0c5-000 TX ID, and address for those who are curious: pSTdDBKzCH1wqsRTTpkDY8rtAXyFqYwKG4 Let's see how that rolls. With the rising diff, I'm going to guess between 60 and 70 days. That's based on my gut and nothing scientific Since staking is random, it might be the most beneficial to throw 100 or so blocks to the same address and then see the average time to stake. Or else it is similar to a polling group calling one person. I would be happy to send some inputs to that wallet for you if you agree to it? Sure. Keep me informed of how much you send, so I can return it when the experiment is done. I just sent you 9 more 1 HYP blocks. 100 would have taken a long time got 'em. Wallet is always open, so we'll see how it goes |
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Hmm interesting. 41 days... Couldn't wait that long. I bit the bullet and lost potential stake of around 1.6 k HYP with several 250 block inputs and just consolidated them into a 4.1 k block. I hope through my constant investing and staking I should be able to recoup for lost time The blocks were approaching the 30 day mark and gave up lol It was real early on. With the new diff, I'd bet it would be longer. I'm curious. I'm going to send one coin to an address. I'll post it up here, and we'll see how long it takes to stake 036bd31c77edb3dbfd9cdc5014dce24a84bca22c3bb5915afafabd87cd8cf0c5-000 TX ID, and address for those who are curious: pSTdDBKzCH1wqsRTTpkDY8rtAXyFqYwKG4 Let's see how that rolls. With the rising diff, I'm going to guess between 60 and 70 days. That's based on my gut and nothing scientific Since staking is random, it might be the most beneficial to throw 100 or so blocks to the same address and then see the average time to stake. Or else it is similar to a polling group calling one person. I would be happy to send some inputs to that wallet for you if you agree to it? Sure. Keep me informed of how much you send, so I can return it when the experiment is done. |
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All right, @ Spoetnik. I backed off, you didn't.
Fair game. "expose myself" eh? Not sure what you mean by that, but what the hell. Had you bothered to do minimal research, you'd have found this before, because you know, I've said it before.
I'll expose myself alright. I'm Jay Kevin Putzier. I have used the name "biomech" or "Biomech" as an online handle since 1989. That's right, prior to the advent of the public internet system. Prior to that, I used several handles over the years, the one most often associated with me was Tachyon_pulse. My identity and skillset have been out in the open for literally decades. So if you bothered to do any research, you'd know that I am not a programmer, and that the closest I've come to being a developer was a brief stint as the public face of Earthcoin. Which I did not do well as, and real life compelled me to quit.
Now, on to some specifics.
One: Not doing research at a minimal level disqualifies you as an expert witness. HoboNickels was programmed initially by several people, two of whom are known to me. I do not have their permission to reveal names. Tranz took it over later. The coin control was not created by Presstab, but it was modified him both prior to and after the launch of HYP. He has told me more than once that his mentor was Tranz, primarily.
Two. Inflationary model. Yes, the BASE minting is 750% per annum. Let's compare that to some other coins, just to see if you have an argument. But let's do it accurately. The 750% is not set in stone, because of the inflation control mechanism which caps subsidy at 1000 coins per block. This means the max is 950,000 per day, which over time is deflationary.
Now, some other coins.
HyperStake, assuming Max Subsidy, not yet achieved: 950,000
Jackpot coin. Not counting staking, for the sake of brevity. Current daily generation 5,168,865.50928
Dogecoin. Low level, totally unknown, unsuccessful coin that no one has ever heard of... 45,000,000
I could keep doing this, but I think the audience will get the point. Minting, while colloquially expressed as interest, is in fact mining. And the rate of reward is not outgrageous by comparison to a number of different coins. It's a steady rate of growth, declining over time by percentage in this case, even though it's initially quite high.
You don't trust the dev's, and you don't like the method of distribution. That's fine and dandy, but it hardly proves malfeasance by either the developers or the enthusiastic community. If this were coming from someone else, I would assume jealousy. In your case, I begin to suspect some other motive, or perhaps insanity per M'Noughton.
I need to get back to work. It's been fun, but I'm done playing with you now. I resisted the bait for over a year, and I regret not continuing to do so. Have a life.
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Good to see people talking with facts now.
Hmmmm, breath taking thats for sure... On a side note, the whole crypto world can be seen as one large ponzi or pyramid scheme. If volume of trade and tx of BTC or other main coin stalls and goes down... POOOOOF !!! Bye bye .. And if we have a look at so-called exchanges, and traders ? Well, its save to say that its manipulated BIG time, and many ppl would spend time in jail when they would try to do the same on regulated exchanges like Wallstreet, London, etc. And even those are manipulated. Trading on inside information is illegal in the real world, but in the crypto world EVERYBODY would love to have access and act accordingly. Coordinated pump and dumps also great "fun", for the insiders (whales) that is, average Joe gets screwed as usual. Even currency, real money can end up as a ponzi. Plenty of country's where the ppl prefer NOT to use their own country's currency but want USD. As a result ? Indeed POOOOF !! Bye bye I almost forgot, biggest ponzi schemes are usually run by politicians.
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At least we talked.. that alone is a step in the right direction. For far too long this forum changed dramatically from when i registered here.. We all went from discussing the coins and the concepts etc to non stop cloning and advertising and then creating new accounts to accuse someone of being a FUD'er or Troll every few minutes. It was not like this before guys and many of you are clueless because you got here to trade Doge coin in Nov or December ! i don't see ANY of you stepping up to claim the 1,000+ shit coins posted in the ANN section.. it's always someone else FUD first and ask questions later ! Why ? duh look around you and notice that scams are allowed (prob because it would be too hard to moderate) So who moderates then ? Not the guys hiding LOL Fair enough. If you look to my previous history, here, I've largely avoided the fights. I got irritated, and responded. You came back the way I expected at first, but then you mellowed out. So... I'll stop. I won't disengage, But I'll cease name calling. It's childish, though it has a strange appeal. I claim no coins because I've made no coins. Not saying I won't, because it fascinates me. But at this point I have not. As for "hero member", I'm not so sure that's a badge of honor, given that it pretty much directly means you spend too much time here. |
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Hmm interesting. 41 days... Couldn't wait that long. I bit the bullet and lost potential stake of around 1.6 k HYP with several 250 block inputs and just consolidated them into a 4.1 k block. I hope through my constant investing and staking I should be able to recoup for lost time The blocks were approaching the 30 day mark and gave up lol It was real early on. With the new diff, I'd bet it would be longer. I'm curious. I'm going to send one coin to an address. I'll post it up here, and we'll see how long it takes to stake 036bd31c77edb3dbfd9cdc5014dce24a84bca22c3bb5915afafabd87cd8cf0c5-000 TX ID, and address for those who are curious: pSTdDBKzCH1wqsRTTpkDY8rtAXyFqYwKG4 Let's see how that rolls. With the rising diff, I'm going to guess between 60 and 70 days. That's based on my gut and nothing scientific |
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