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1201  Economy / Economics / Re: Cash must be king, Giorgia Meloni tells shoppers on: February 11, 2023, 05:39:33 PM
I personally think that it's interesting to see Italy take a different approach to electronic currency compared to other EU nations. Prime Minister Meloni's perspective on electronic money not being legal currency is certainly unique, and her proposal to allow businesses to accept cash payments up to €60 and sell goods worth up to €5,000 in cash is a step away from the trend towards a cashless society.

I would take all her declarations with quite a pinch of salt. She has made her "political character" this strong by pretty much pissing against EU's wind. I don't see this a solid call for action, I see it more a (meaningless) "political declaration". I would like to see anything actually done from the things she is telling, but I doubt that anything would happen (or change).

Her actions do have a good justification: card payments are expensive and the merchant has to pay those fees, which, for small amounts and small shops (with no big contracts with Visa/Mc) can become significant. Of course, Bitcoin fixes this.
On the other hand if card payments can be this easily avoided by merchants, they can this easily underreport their sales and their income and not pay the correct amount of taxes.
So this can easily make de state lose big money, which I'm sure some will tell her about.

Italy had a limit of 2000 that Meloni wanted to be raised to 5000, Germany, Denmark, Austria, and Ireland have no limit, and what's more interesting, there is no limit in Sweden either, which is the most cashless country in the world right now.

I think that the total price also matters. Iirc here if one wants to pay for a flat (50-80k EUR), paying 10k EUR in cash is just fine, but if one wants to pay cash 10k EUR of the price of a car (10-20k) it's not allowed.
And your point is also interesting: the northern countries have no issues in correctly declaring everything for tax purposes. Moving towards south.. this is changing  Wink

This is simply astonishing, we're here on bitcointalk where we're supposed to talk about freedom of your personal finances and you're here criticizing somebody that wants to allow you more options for payment and no limits. How does this work?

I would not say I criticize her. I am just telling that what he's saying may not work out or may not even (ever) get implemented.
1202  Local / Română (Romanian) / Re: Criptomonede vs bani digitali emiși de Stat on: February 11, 2023, 09:40:23 AM
Intelesesem ce spui Smiley Eu insa am mers cu gandul un pic mai (prea?) departe. In sensul ca, daca tot nu reusim noi sa il convingem pe gradinar sa se uite la bitcoin, sper ca macar cei din generatia urmatoare sa apuce aceste momente, sa se poata bucura de ele. Si, din pacate, pentru noi, pentru generatia noastra, pare dificil sa reusim. Cel putin, in ultimii 13 ani nu am reusit. Sau am reusit prea putin pentru a conta cu adevarat. Cine stie de cate zeci de ani va mai fi nevoie pentru a reusi...?

Ahaa, in regula. Nu ma gandisem asa departe.
Dar sa stii ca esti cam pesimist. Zici tu de ultimii 13 ani, dar progresia este geometrica, iar ultimii 2-3 ani deja au fost impresionanti. De exemplu se gandea cineva serios acum .. 6-7 ani ca Tesla va cumpara Bitcoin? Sau ca bancile vor incepe sa ofere clientilor (si mai ales firmelor) produce legate de bitcoin? Sau ca PayPal isi va lasa utilizatorii sa cumpere bitcoin (chiar daca s-ar putea sa fie doar titluri de valoare echivalente bitcoin, tot e mare lucru)? Sau ca unele tari vor avea bitcoin moneda oficiala?!
O generatie e mult. Sunt aproape sigur ca deja copiii nostri au sanse faorte mari sa plateasca gradinarului in bitcoin. Poate nu tuturor gradinarilor, asta poate copiii lor, dar totusi...

...Doar ca, dupa cum discutaseram, cel mai probabil ca aproape toti cei interesati vor sti cine a platit, cat si carui gradinar...
1203  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: F1 Formula Sports Racing - Sportsbet.io promotions & discussion thread on: February 10, 2023, 06:38:33 PM
Few days ago we discussed about potentially having Sportsbet logo on F1 car. And today watching Alfa Romeo launch, I noticed Stake logo on their car. They become name sponsors of team, deal worth $100 million in 3 years. Interesting part that they haven't even mentioned word crypto in whole their press release.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/alfa-romeo-unveils-new-look-for-2023-f1-car/10428851/
https://www.planetf1.com/news/alfa-romeo-crypto-stake/
It's time for your move, Sportsbet!

Yep, Stake did very good. Their name is in team name and it's also all over the car, one cannot miss it.
There was a news in December I think. A lot of crypto companies have left Formula 1, leaving money problems here and there too iirc. It was not only FTX, I think the list had 3 or 4 companies at least (3 were easy to remember: FTX/Merc, Velas/Ferrari, Tezos/RBR, but I think that there were more). I feared crypto.com would do the same. So saying "crypto" now in Formula 1 is a bit sensitive.

And about Sportsbet, I don't know, all eyes seem to be on Piastri, but it can be a risky bet. Still, did anybody check how it would Sportsbet.io logo look on papaya orange? Cheesy (I've seen it on so many colors, so why not?)
1204  Other / Meta / Re: What cause the donation closure thread of Yahoo on: February 10, 2023, 05:51:59 PM
Is it only me who finds that this topic and the one(s) made by fishy001 yesterday seem too closely related?
I would not be surprised if it's the same person. (And, while multi accounts are allowed, ban evasion still isn't.)

Social jealousy, that is one of the reasons I think.

I think that it's actually more related to Yahoo uncovering ban evasion than anything else.
1205  Economy / Reputation / Re: Discrimination against bounty hunters on: February 10, 2023, 05:33:45 PM
Wow! I'm really impressed with the responds and clarification from you all though it seems some people are misunderstanding the post. I clearly stated in my post that I stand to be corrected and tbh I have been schooled.

This is how online interaction works, you should never expect people be too nice with you, especially when you make mistakes or post inaccuracies.
Get the useful part off it and ignore the rest; don't worry too much.
1206  Local / Română (Romanian) / Re: Criptomonede vs bani digitali emiși de Stat on: February 10, 2023, 05:29:14 PM
Problema mea este ca atata timp cat noi stam doar in bula noastra, nu o sa reusim sa il convingem pe gradinar sa se uite la bitcoin. Doar daca fiu-sau sau nepotul il vor convinge.. adica incet, tarziu, vai de noi...

Sincer, m-as bucura daca as sti cu certitudine ca macar fi-miu va avea ocazia aceasta...

Aici cred ca nu ne-am inteles... ma refeream ca fiul sau nepotul gradinarului sa ajuinga sa fie interesta de bitcoin ca investitie si sa-si convinga bunicul sa accepte si el bitcoin, respectiv sa lucreze si el si cu bitcoin...

Sunt sigur insa ca autoritatile vor gasi o solutie si pentru acest trend, astfel incat sa nu fie platile facute anonim. Nu-mi vine nimic in minte acum, insa cred ca se vor gasi solutii.

Nu cred ca e nevoie. Dupa cum ai zis si tu, imparatul e gol!

Ah, am si eu o minca intrebare: ce telefon ai?  Cheesy Am vazut

Vezi ca ai facut ceva gresit la textul si linkul de acolo.
1207  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [FREE RAFFLE] 501st- ฿ECAUSE I AM STILL IN A GOOD MOOD-CYPHER HODL PRINTED COIN on: February 10, 2023, 01:59:11 PM
57 - NeuroticFish

Thank you for the new raffle and for continuing the great series!
1208  Local / Română (Romanian) / Re: Concursuri/tombole pe bitcointalk (sau pe aprope) on: February 10, 2023, 01:57:25 PM
[FREE RAFFLE] 501st- ฿ECAUSE I AM STILL IN A GOOD MOOD-CYPHER HODL PRINTED COIN

Ooo, deja seria continua! Multumim de postare! O sa ma inscriu imediat.

Concursul este identic cu cele anterior realizate de OP.

De fapt observ o diferenta: acesta are ca premiu o moneda/un jeton albastru, mai rar!


Bafta sa avem!
1209  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Mining on cryptocurrency. on: February 09, 2023, 05:49:20 PM
Please I as answers to these questions.
   Who has been mining any cryptocurrency and have succeded in withdrawing his money, cause I have minied so many cryptocurrency for past years and presently now, but has not have access in withdrawal.

You should first tell what hardware have you used for mining.
Since your question is this generic, I can tell that I did withdraw when I was mining.
But I've never used cloud mining, because I understood very fast that those are scams.
And I have a feeling that you didn't mine with any hardware, instead you've gone for the nice (meaningless!) numbers the cloud mining scam websites are displaying.
1210  Local / Română (Romanian) / Re: Concursuri/tombole pe bitcointalk (sau pe aprope) on: February 09, 2023, 05:45:30 PM
Reamintire: mai aveti doar azi si maine timp pentru prima predictie de pret la concursul Sinbad pentru aceasta luna.
1211  Other / Meta / Re: Selling bitcointalk account is allowed? If not, the post should not be deleted? on: February 09, 2023, 05:40:33 PM
I'm surprised that you, as Legendary, don't know.
As I remembered I saw somewhere about it. To make sure I did a quick google search but did not get any sources during my search. And tbh the account that I have shared in the OP really heart me when I see 95% of the topics are about selling accounts and the topics are still in the forum Smiley

For why I have created the topic so that Mods think again if something needs to be changed.

No worries  Wink
As a suggestion, in the past years TryNinja's website has returned much better search results on bitcointalk than google. At least for me.
For this very case: https://ninjastic.space/search?content=%22selling+accounts%22+%2Ballowed+%2Bbitcointalk

Plus, it's also part of forum's (unofficial) rules (point 18).
1212  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: SINBAD MIXER February Bitcoin Price Prediction Challenge on: February 09, 2023, 05:31:55 PM
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1213  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin and it effect to our local community on: February 09, 2023, 05:00:49 PM
Do you think it will be of advantage or disadvantage to my community?

It really depends...
Some communities have started using solar power to mine bitcoin and now they get money off that.
Some communities use Bitcoin as a coin and they can make payments without the need for banks.
Some came to bitcointalk to read/learn/understand what's bitcoin about and maybe invested some money into it (or into its mining).
However, people can come to bitcointalk and get caught into hyip scams, compulsive gambling or even altcoins (the list of examples is actually much longer) and lose money.
So, as I said, it depends...
1214  Other / Meta / Re: Selling bitcointalk account is allowed? If not, the post should not be deleted? on: February 09, 2023, 04:52:59 PM
Selling bitcointalk account is allowed here?

I'm surprised that you, as Legendary, don't know. However, selling accounts is allowed for at least two reasons:
* if it would be disallowed, the sellers would simply sell somewhere else
* this is a free (speech) forum

However, buying and selling accounts is seen as shady, hence those caught doing this are getting tagged.
1215  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Electronic devices that can detect wrong wallet on: February 09, 2023, 11:26:20 AM
I want to ask if it's possible to create a device that detect wrong wallet device, i dont know such device or bot app is already existing, somebody sent Bitcoin to Bitcoin address given and since a week the person insist of not seeing the coin and not even showing a sign of coin is on process and he complained to me. Having such device that  notice Bitcoin addresses will help bitcoiners.

Bitcoin addresses do contain a checksum and the proper wallets do check it before allowing you send coins to an address.
This being said I'm not sure what would achieve such a device as you propose.

You can have a clipboard virus and send to a different (but valid!) address than his.
He can have a clipboard virus and tell you a different (but valid!) address than where he expects the coins.
You may have been sending from a scam platform that doesn't process withdrawals/payments.
He may have the wallet on a scam platform or one with bugs that ignored the incoming money and didn't fund the account.
(there may be many more cases that didn't come to my mind right now)

Would the device you propose fix this? No.
Would the device you propose do more than what a proper wallet already does? No.

And then..?
1216  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: All you need to know about Mixer before using it on: February 09, 2023, 11:08:19 AM
I sometimes wonder why we haven't see yet a new mixer coming with the same business model as CM

Copying a working business is not easy, especially where trust is involved.
The newcomers have to do at least something cheaper (which is not possible) or better (which I dare to say that in this case it's probably also not possible).
1217  Economy / Economics / Re: Untouchable Savings: Do you have it? on: February 09, 2023, 10:46:04 AM
There is a huge difference between untouched savings and untouchable savings.

Rational people will have, if they can afford it (!), some savings they will not touch unless something big and bad happens. Does this means they'll die before spending all their money? Yes, and it's fine. Having a certain peace of mind has its costs.

Untouchable savings is imho stupidly risky. They have their purpose in case of people with certain addictions, but it's something that has to be treated with extreme attention. It's more advisable to allow other (trusted!) person/entity take care of those savings than lock them and make them untouchable, since if a health issue comes up, one may need that money, but may not be able to touch it.
1218  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Should BTC amounts greater than 10.000E be declared when leaving the country? on: February 09, 2023, 10:29:31 AM
or deposit your money or btc to a centralized exchange and withdraw it when you arrive in destination country but of course you need a liquid exchange like binance

I think that even if I don't take into account the CEX-KYC problems (since Gazeta already did), depositing such big amounts of money into others' pockets "just in case" is by far the worse idea.
The point here was about avoiding problems, not getting into bigger ones.
Bitcoin is about being your own bank. Since you can easily store/hide your wallet's seed in your luggage (not all in the same place!), why use a CEX?!!?

1219  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Ark Investment lanches report Big Ideas 2023: bitcoin price above 1mi in 2030 on: February 09, 2023, 10:15:32 AM
Well if ARK and Cathie Wood weren't invested then people would be asking why didn't they buy any bitcoin if she thinks the price will go so high?
Damn if you do, damn if you don't. At least they put their money where their mouth is.

You do have a good point here  Cheesy
Still, I think that by making such price predictions on Bitcoin, their goal is to advertise their own business, not Bitcoin itself. That's all.
1220  Other / Meta / Re: Ban evasion clarification! on: February 09, 2023, 10:07:47 AM
Well done @yahoo62278 for bringing this up. I've explained in his thread that he's wrong, I've tagged him and.. the rest is up to the mods.

I don't know how the evil fee related page looks like, maybe it worth taking a look onto it, maybe it needs some information added to avoid this kind of confusion (which, as I wrote there too, may or may not be on purpose).
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