Bittrex staff is fully aware of the situation and most likely behind the current situation in which IE has to make a decision to clean up the sjit, forced by Bittrex. I think that is what's going on -or I like to think it is, we'll all soon find out the outcome, that's for sure.

In regards to the matter of "giving money" to IE or anyone else, if we are talking pretensions and euphemisms we will never address the subject: Everyone, everyone no exceptions, is in crypto, investing their money, a lot or a bit, with one purpose and one purpose only: To make lots of profits and get rich quick. Period. No exceptions. The rest is just plain bullshit, I don't care where it comes from.

That established, there are degrees of commonly called ethics to go about it. In most cases, in crypto, there are no ethics whatsoever. None. We have had recently the clear cases of Prometheus, Dan Metcalf and his PR guy from South Africa, ranging from total crooks -according top the common (and LEGAL) values established in the real world, of course- that routinely do things that would have landed them in jail in the real world long ago and for a long time... and getting away with it with a more or less tarnished credibility, that's all they will lose, worse case scenario, while the skim millions out of unsuspecting or just naive folks.

The case of IE is  very peculiar for the guy is NOT, I repeat, is NOT, a scammer. I happen to know that he isn't. At all. It's just a guy with a very peculiar, extraordinarily egocentric personality and a quick temper, affected of several psico/socio syndromes that I am not qualified to determine but that result in an individual, with some brilliant ideas that time and time again he bombards in a self-destructive and very reiterative modus operandi. He's simply unable to admit that he has done something wrong. or inappropriate. Regardless how evident. Oh he will admit it if it is so evident as a typo, for instance, BUT with an immediate excuse/justification. That will apply to absolutely everything he does or proposes , regardless of the level of the mistake. He's simply incapable of say Yes, I did this wrong, period. There's always some third party (or parties) that provoked his mistake, no matter how many times repeated. He will admit to his volatile, egocentric and irascible personality alright, but will never adhere to any of those sole responsibility for anything. Ever.

I was a very ardent critic of IE when he was trying to manipulate the markets at BC and found -and posted to that effect- his proposed Wall Street Event  both counterproductive for BC and extremely unethical, in spite of which -and some rather heated confrontations that are available in the reopened BC thread here in BTCT-, many greedy BC community members send him donations galore to reach around $4,000 of the $11,000 he had budgeted the event at.
Then things took a turn and all of a sudden, IE did a turnaround when not supported by the devs of BC and left the event hanging. Meanwhile, he had received donations in BC, BTC and other cryptos, often from exchanges. From many people. Returning them presented quite a nightmare in time and even in making it possible at all for it was impossible to corroborate the wallet addresses from the exchanges so IE, once again, opted for a "solution" he made certain no one would like: He would not return them, or give to the Foundation; he would, in turn, give the money to charity and add to the donation a personal one --supposedly to wash the tax benefit that the charity donation would bring. So I know he did not scammed the BC donors... but he did not do something entirely acceptable with their donations either. Furthermore, he made the decision arbitrarily and unilaterally, in typical IE fashion, leaving pretty much everyone justifiably pissed off and reaping the "benefit" of a reputation forever tarnished. Adding to all those circumstances the fact that he is a black person, apparently quite successful in his business dealing in the real world, the obviously racist hatred awaken in some of his "critics" has become quite venomous and completely detached from any responsibilities IE may or may not have had regarding the unreturned donations.

That's the REAL story that I lived quite closely. And that's how I know he is a bunch of things, some quite regrettable, but not a scammer. (I have to add here that I don't have corroboration or proof that he actually carried out the charity donation, but that was the decision he took at the time. Whether the donation was carried out I do not know for sure).

Fast forward to this project, BYC. It is a VERY GOOD project that because IE is the developer, was bound to have a very poor initial reception. Like it did. But it was going to be a significant success, in my personal opinion, because it was supposed to be clean, transparent, accessible and FAIR, among other things new to crypto, like easy mining and use in actually buying real world things and services. As we all know, it didn't turn out that way after launching, because, astoundingly, IE allowed the outrageous mining of 1/4 of the total coins in a period of just over 24 hours instead of the maximum he had promised of 1440 per day. And, as usual in IE by now, not only defending it as "something that happens to all coins on launch", but trying to keep it by all kinds of lies and fixed-up polling of "the community" ... again unable to admit he had made a huge mistake, one that will probably finish his future in crypto for good, and correct it while the correcting is good. And, fortunately, he still has at least two viable options to turn the ship in the right direction. Will he do it or will he, as he usually does, allow his egocentrism to destroy, again, his project and with it his future in crypto? We will see quite soon.

Now back to your chosen state of hatred, stereotyping or otherwise modifying reality to suit your personal agendas, everyone...

Block explorer and rich list links don't work.

And that is all very nice and dandy and with a cherry on top but, in the meantime, 6 more days to go and this is not getting even remotely close to 300 BTC, even at this highly increased price of BTC to FIAT conversion, still means HALF of what the minimally need to go on with the project. Problem number one. Expecting anyone, angel or otherwise, to pay at the level of 1000 BRO to 1 BTC is not just optimistic, it's frankly delirius. But lets assume that someone buys 300,000 BRO+Bergstake for 300 BTC, thus making it possible for the project to go ahead... that scenario leaves the following situation: Breakout gaming keeps roughly 8 million BRO+Bergstake and it's dev team another 2.5 million BRO+Bergstake. How's that for a flooded marketplace with supply up the wazoo and, at least in the beginning, minimal demand. How that strikes you as a situation in which the price will reach 100-200 BRO (no bergstake) per 1 BTC? Likely? I didn't think so. Now you tell me who is going to buy those 8 million BRO+Bergstake, because I cannot fin any even remote reason for anyone willing to pay for them what would amount to a fortune, putting it together with the recent increase in price of BTC, paying for them, wholesale or retail, about 10 times what the initial investors paid.

This is just a scenario based not only on potential facts but on very LIKELY ones, alright?

Now, compare that situation, almost certain to happen, with one in which,  whatever amount collected in the crowdfunding, determines the final price of the BRO/Bergstake combo and the 10 million units of it have the price that the market determines, no loose coins for Breakout Gaming, no the most idiotic angel investors ever to exist, no nonsense of any short. Whatever the money collected divided by 10 million coins+bergstake = price. And everything sold. Way different, isn't it?

Just a thought.

Lots of luck.

Once again, long term you would probably do much better hanging on to your BTC that in any alt, NXT included. It seems very very strong on this bull run...

Oh and NXT's wallet is quite a mess with which some of the exchanges, notably Cryptsy, has very serious problems so if you want to use the wallet, do some research before so you will avoid unnecessary not so nice surprises. It is NOT your average wallet... certainly not near as incredible as the Saffron one --what a terrible name, by the way; I believe the name alone is cause it is undervalued by 50% more, on the name alone!

As you can see we try to be polite and nice here and answer everybody, including ourselves. We are very friendly that way, as you can see...

It would surprise you greatly to find out that most of the cheerleaders -actually the lot of them- don't consider either UK or, especially- me, friendly at all.

I find it quite baffling myself... Maybe it is because I call stooges trios that go around not knowing what they are doing or sons of bitches those who are sons of bitches, you think?

Do what you want but I believe I should warn you that this is NOT the official VRC forum by any means n-and that you won't be making many cheerleaders' friends hanging out here either. The one that was, was shot down recently and the cheerleaders of the project, along with the devs (we call thyem the stooges here, with affection), move their marbles all the way to the new, censured, forums. Just today another rebel (without a cause), has just started a new, uncensored, forum here, to "keep the conversation going"... which confuses me greatly because I have been hearing the "conversation" is going really gangbusters at the shiny, new, censured forums...

As for you "lucking out" I would establish that when you have your profits in the pocket, not before. See, I believe that VRC is going to stay in what I call "the singles" for a looong time, several months at least. And "singles" is by no mas the worst possible option, mind you... Good luck in any case!

What now, the censured, shiny new forums not good enough for you?  Sorry to hear that...

As long as you keep this uncensored, I for one am in... with the caveat that I know you will delete the entire thread without hesitation if that would mean, in your peculiar mind, a service to VRC, so, with extreme reserves based on that, I'll be here.

This though is the generic Altcoins forum, not the Altcoins ANNOUNCEMENTS none, which is where it would naturally belong and I'm quite sure you intended it to be. Perhaps you should try again or ask the mod to move it there?

"James" is the name the handle "jl777" goes by. You should research him because he IS a big deal. And yes, he is (losely) "working" with VRC. #When he came in it had an effect in the price and it more than doubled in a couple days... only to go back and hit new lows when what I called "The James effect", vaned.
He is the originator of the SuperNET and the head honcho, among others, of Atomic, jl777hodl and NetVentures.

I'd say it is quite unlikely that VRC would go back to 50k any time soon -in this lifetime-, but I have been wrong before so there's always hope, right MAD?

UK and I are not friends, just two individual investors who happen to know what would make VRC much better than it is and, partially, agree on how to go about it. We are both long time, burned -and butthurt- bagholders of that train wreck. The Lion King analogy is amusing.

We missed you sooo much. Come more often, OK?

You also bring good deeds (unintended) along: I just cashed in of a few BTC after 35% gains, not too bad.

Additionally, I also freed some cash when my price was hit on SYNC for a quick 30% there.

Come back soon , alright?

Oh, even though I have sold tom lock in profits -and hoping I can rebuy a bit lower some time soon- I still think BTC is by far the best investment in crypto considering potential profit and level of risk... not that you need my input seeing that you are making such a killing in VRC and all, but just in case others can benefit?

OK, one more time because I read the people at CoinBlab, some, besides the captcha-fillers, are still unclear about why BYTECENT is doomed unless it is relaunched or a refund option is issued:

1.- The offer stated clearly, very very clearly, that 3 million coins were offered AND that the one not sold would be destroyed by Bittrez prior to releasing the ICO funds to the developers. Is that clear? OK, here's the CHANGED REALITY:

IconicExpert, unilaterally and arbitrarily, decided that no mining was necessary and until block 3110 did not mine the 156,000 BYCs that had sold in the ICO (the other 3-0dd thousand he had mined before at the usual rate of 1 BYC by block. THEREFORE AND THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT, 2 million 8 hundred and 40 thousand coins, that would have been destroyed according to the original offer, remain having augmented the total number of coins to ever be in the coin that, after destroying those 2.84 million, would have been 31.16 million instead of 33 million as it is now.

2.- Also clearly stated in the offer was the assertion that NO MORE THAN A MAXIMUM OF 1440 BYC will be mined daily. No "ifs", no "buts". Clear as clear water. Here's the CHANGED REALITY:

Instead, in about 30 hours, a total of 40,000 -that is FORTY THOUSAND- ADDITIONAL coins have been mined... with many more to come in the next few days. Those 40,000 coins have already diluted ANY value BYC may have, by 25%. Most of those 40,000 coins, I should add, have been mined by people filling up capchas initially, meaning the price they have paid for those coins is ZERO or near zero -only the computers electricity costs-, therefore they will be DUMPED on the market immediately after opening for any price they can get is 100% profit, taking the price to the ground and, de facto, killing the coin.

All of that is without taking into consideration that the wallets weren't working and that most weren't able to mine -and some still aren't- which makes the launch beyond irreparably unfair, especially for people that had actually paid for theirt investment with cold, hard cash.

There are, I would repeat, several FAIR options that would benefit any chances of survival of the coin: Relaunch, issuance of refunds and a combination of both. Anything else is just unacceptable.

Now, IconicExpert has decided to put the decision theoretically to "the community" on CoinBlab... FACT is that there's no such a thing as a BYC community there: It is a censored place and many of us, investors in the coin, are banned by request of Iconic and, of course, we are unable to vote. But even if we were allowed, the voting is utterly absurd since most of the people voting and present there have to skin in the game, meaning they have not invested a single cent in the BYC ICO and they are only hanging by dear desperation to make their mined coins at ZERO cost worth anything is they simply support what the ego (and maybe other interest of the financial kind too) has already chosen to do.

Bittrex, please put and end to the madness of this guy and force him to do the right thing, which is issue refunds to those that feel deceived by the lies and false promises made by IconicExpert. There's simply no other way to end this disaster well.

 

Are you implying I send you PMs? Or are you implying I am somehow supporting Blocknet?

It it weren't for the implication in the second of those two crooks, Metcalf and his PR South African guy, I would not be interested in that -or XC- at all. And knowing that those two are at the center of the controversy puts me somewhere on THE OTHER SIDE, get that, or the meds blurry your mind completely? In other words, I dont give a fuck about blocknet, ok?

And much, much less even about who the fuck could be so disturbed as to send you PMs. Alright?

In that case, all of you are going to be very rich very quick, why the anger?

Uh?!?!?! Blocknet??? This is a very, very small project with a total of 80 BTC raised and probably some of it coming from IE's pockets... how could it be any distraction from Blocknet which is the biggest ICO of the last few weeks and involves a lot of crypto-experts and 100s of investors, fudders, shills, trolls, etc?

Me thinks you should try to lay low on the meds at this stage...

They have stated numerous times that that "Pie" is indeed NOT on the table. But things may and do change sometimes...

"working" means that they won't be able to sell any significant amount of BRO from now on, private offering or not... if by "private" we assume that they will not simply keep the coins themselves.

And contrary to your opinion, I believe the investment has already been made and there's no more available capital, other than what this crowd funding effort produces.

But Jake, it is just my opinion. I have given it to you in some other projects also, so give it whatever value you deem it deserves.

One thing I could tell you right now: Unless they pay themselves selling to themselves the rest of the BRO, there's no way, none, that they are going to reach the 700 BTC that they said they need, at the minimum, to get the project started. And you have to understand that even if by some miracle that number is legitimately reached, there would still be MILLIONS of BROs and Bergstakes "floating", so to speak, left unsold.

Of course they do. They are not stupid, just act like they are when they don't know what to do. But they feel they are on James' hands and they don't want to risk that James would put and end to the Supernet idea and dump the 2 million + coins (Vericoins) in the market taking it to the 1000 sat level.

They are simply not confident enough -and with good reason- to see that James needs them rather desperately to be his front and not having to come forward and show his face, something he will just NOT do no matter the price. Besides that, James will not dump VRC, unless directly challenged to do so, because it is his pleasure to hold coins long term. And he doesn't go back in his word capriciously... like out dear stooges do all the time.

I am hoping that James, who is a very clever individual, will see how absurd and dangerous the idea of the decentralized cloud storage is and change direction. The stooges simply won't do it by themselves, nor force James' hand in any way. They are personally happy with their 10-15,000 dollars market value of their personal stakes each and they have bigger fish to fry at school, work and, now, another nice little source of revenue "helping" other coins. They are fine, regardless how much lower the price goes, so they won't rock any boats.

On a separate subject, someone -probably one of his socket accounts- have actually nominated J Bosh (Wizzrig for you) for the Honor Award, have you seen it? I knew you would be delighted in knowing...

Meanwhile, everyone heading to BTC which, as I have maintained for a few weeks now, is by far the best, most "secure" and most profitable investment in crypto... Already 35% up from recent lows.

My opinion is not based on technical knowledge and capabilities -I believe Mohammed can compete with anyone on that aspect and come out the winner-, but on practical issues, most specifically the multinations agencies waging war on decentralized (so called) websites and the like. They just arrested Defcom and dismantled Silk Road 2 as well as put down more than 400 clandestine (so to speak) website... with much more to come, so soon that it is already in the  final stages of the investigation process. No matter how you want to look at it or which coin has it (and tens are in the process of having it) a so called "decentralized exchange" is a nest for illegal activities. And the authorities simply will not tolerate them. It is as simple as that.

Meanwhile what this guy at Saffron has achieved already is impressive -and not reflected at all in the market cap --I believe because the name is so... uninspiring- and it is a pity, in my view, that he would be wasting so much effort and so many resources on something that, ultimately, will not only not benefit the project but actually may cause it undoing.

I still believe he was trying to make his money mostly the old fashioned way: Earning it by investing (maybe part or all of those 80 BTC) nin the project, work on it, lead it and making in a success. I must be quite naive...

Not only that: I still think that is exactly what he'll do ... if he can put aside his disproportionate ego and concentrate on doing what is fair and right. I believe a relaunch is a very viable option and I believe that everyone that invested in the project will remain invested in it if he does it fairly and transparently. He may need another night to come to the inevitable conclusion though.

Then again, I am naive and believe most people are honest -except in crypto- by nature...

Actually no, just an Indian guy that everyone seems to like and admire -and for good reason it seems- and a couple of collaborators. But the one it has is full time dedicated to the project --except for a coin that he recently "helped" develop. It seems it was just a passing distraction and he not only works full time on Saffron but is quick to answer questions in its uncensored thread.

Have you seen their wallet?