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1741  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gamblers should not believe in first game win trap on: December 17, 2023, 04:30:43 PM
I don't think the first win is always going to be a trap or I wouldn't really consider that it's a trap to get you further involved, it's gambling and anyone can win and lose, so the casino doesn't mean that the first win is to trap you further.

All of this depends on the gambler's point of view, if indeed they address gambling as more of a pleasure activity (earning) then I think it is very possible that you are easily tempted by your first win and think excessively like thinking that "this is a good place to earn, I think it all comes back to one's point of view and understanding in terms of gambling especially about probability, if from the start they understand everything then I think they will remain fine, or that means they will not be easily tempted by something that looks like tempting.
Maybe it's not a trap for gamblers but for gamblers themselves who want to get bigger wins so that's why there are still many gamblers who return to gambling. They are tempted to win again after the first gambling game and think they can win again. Casinos already know this so they continue to provide promotions that attract gamblers to return to gambling. And that's what makes gamblers return to gambling.

If gamblers know that getting a win when they start gambling is just beginner's luck, they should not be tempted to return to gambling. Maybe they can return another day but I don't think they can win the gambling game again. It will make them think that they can earn or make money from gambling and if they think like that, they will continue to return to gambling and maybe they will spend even more money.

And that means there is something that must be questioned regarding what exactly their purpose is to come and engage in this activity, people assume that the first win can be a trap that is only for or especially for people who are excessive in putting hopes on gambling so that they will indirectly change their mindset to "gambling to produce and pursue victory", basically an understanding that is not based on strong assertiveness will  clearly make them easily change their point of view on gambling.

I think if from the beginning they have  brought the right and healthy perspective on gambling then they will not be too tempted by the wins they get in the early stages of their involvement, in accordance with what I said earlier that if they already have the right understanding then obviously  they will be able to take some precautions, stop when they have got a certain amount of winnings and also stop when the position is losing, it is easy to do with a pretty good understanding and awareness..
1742  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Ever heard about financing a gambler? on: December 16, 2023, 11:34:40 PM
Gambling usually requires us to take maximum risk of money. Where one has to rely more on one's luck than one's own skill, it is natural that the risk of money will be highest. Gambling falls into several categories and depending on the category, some gambling directly depends on luck and some gambling depends a lot on one's gambling skills. I am ready to risk only my money but not ready to risk anyone else's money. I gamble myself because I have control over gambling but there are many people who ask me about gambling but I don't advise everyone about gambling. If I had advised everyone about gambling then most of the people who have come to me for gambling would have blamed me for losing money in gambling.
The gamblers who want to make money from the gambling should ready to take the risk in gambling.The gambling win was based on the luck of the gamblers and also on their ability to learn the gambling.If the gamblers learn the gambling skills,So they can easy make money from gambling sites.
Gambling requires both luck and skill but sometimes even if we apply 100% of skill, luck goes against us due to which we definitely lose some gambling games. I don't gamble now thinking that I have to live by gambling but I gamble only as a simple game and for entertainment. Gambling is extra risky and every gambling we have to take extra risk so the money I deposit for gambling is not my money, I am only given bonus for gambling. If I cheat for the money I deposit to gamble, I won't be able to gamble properly and the outcome of every gamble will go against me. Maybe because I can think like this, I can make the right decision in gambling and the amount of profit is more than the loss now.

Skills will not apply if you are involved in purely luck-based gambling such as slots, but skills will be able to help you to increase the percentage of luck to be closer if you bet on sports, but on the other hand still as you said that even if you have very good skills it cannot always ensure that you will actually be able to win in that session.

It doesn't matter what kind of money you use but make sure you put money that you can afford to lose, and the point is that no matter what kind of gambling you do, you have to understand that it all has risks.
1743  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Which one is fun, watching with bet or without a bet? on: December 16, 2023, 10:46:27 PM
Just trying to get the communities opinion based on their experience about the topic.

Personally, a a bettor, I find it very stressful when watching the game you are betting especially if it will end up a losing bet.

If we have the same experience, how do you cope up with that problem, after all, gambling should be fun but why we have this kind of feeling that we feel disappointed when our bet loses?

It is definitely more fun for me to watch the games I bet on. Sometimes it is enough for me to bet just $10 to make ordinary games more entertaining. I also enjoy watching football games that I don't bet on, but it's definitely more fun when I bet on them. Actually, this is not only true for me when I watch football games. Sometimes I bet on arguments between my friends and I. It makes everything more fun.

It will trigger adrenaline and your heartbeat will be faster, there is a certain satisfaction and excitement from the sensation you get if indeed the favorite team you bet on really wins in that match, but on the other hand there will be two consequences also in my opinion, first maybe you will feel disappointed because your favorite team loses and secondly it is certain that the money you bet will also be lost, so there are two disappointments and annoyance that arise in your mind. But it does not matter as long as you understand all the risks that may occur, certainly you can be a fairly responsible gambler by being able to accept all possible risks.

Another thing is that using a small budget is highly recommended because on the other hand your goal is just to seek entertainment from the sensations you get, so of course the budget allocation really has to be considered so that if the final result is not suitable then you will not suffer too much pressure and regret.
1744  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gamble Responsibly on: December 16, 2023, 09:30:06 PM
Yes, they will try even harder so they can win. However, they must know that if they try hard, it still does not guarantee that they can win at gambling. That will only increase the number of losses so that the risk of losing money will also be greater. If they are not ready for the risk and it can increase their emotions due to more and more losses, they should immediately stop gambling and not return to the casino for several days. They should also not think about recovering the money they lost due to their losses in gambling because it is also difficult to get it back.

If you fail to control yourself, it is best to leave the casino and rest for a while. It will make them feel better, and hopefully they will not remember the losses they have suffered from gambling.
Once a person reaches that state it is very difficult for them to stop, since they cannot even imagine things not going their way, they think that since they have gambled so much already that they are owed a win and to recover their money, and when this does not happen instead of taking the only legitimate choice they have in front of them, which is to stop gambling, they take the opposite approach thinking that they just need to bet a little bit more in order for their desired scenario to happen.

One of the things that makes it difficult for gamblers to do some restrictions and self-control even though they have planned it from the beginning is because they are almost completely dominated by emotions and resentment because the final result always does not match what they want,  naturally it is human nature that everyone has, but what is certain is that you don't overdo it and put high hopes if you don't want to experience something like that or lose a large amount. That's why there are so many people giving advice that you can consider.

Even though you or they come up with any way that you think is good enough and can increase the chances of winning but still no matter how hard you fight and try the final result will still lose more than win because gambling is created  not to produce but nothing more than entertainment to fill empty time. So it's better to lower your ego and expectations of gambling, start to learn to accept the fact that gambling is not for earning, after all you have also proven yourself that in some sessions there are more disappointing results than can make you smile.
1745  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gamblers trickily claims they wins the bet while they never did. on: December 16, 2023, 08:57:21 PM
I think that people like that who are told by the OP must exist, they claim or lie to others, especially some of his friends who may like to mock him because he is far from luck or that means in his gambling involvement people see that he never gets a win at all, I can't explain what's wrong with him but certainly and the fact may be that he is far from luck so he never gets a win every time he gambles.

It is only natural that some other people including his friends always mock and it is also natural that he lies and says something that he never got at all. By lying to them then indirectly maybe he feels that people will not return to advise and mock him as a gambler who is far from luck, even though overall what is said by the people around him is indeed a fact and he should take some of the advice into consideration, or at least just reduce his gambling activities so that the number of defeats is not so much.
1746  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What according to you should be the age to retire from gambling ? on: December 16, 2023, 08:28:28 PM
I can answer that question with a simple question OP. Is there any age a person should retire from making and spending money.?

At old age there are expenses to make bills to pay and some other things to do like shopping as well. So you still need money to do this. Yes some elderly people have families and relatives that could take care of those needs but they still love making money for themselve, even at that age. These set of persons, if they are gamblers when they were young they would still gambling at old age because the urge to make money through gambling is still in them.

And since they cannot go and work physical work.  The best option for them is gambling. In my country, the best gamblers are elderly people. My uncle is an elderly man and he has been the who influenced me into gambling and i have won upto 70% of the games he has sent to me.


The gambler who get the regular income till his old ages can do the gambling without the retirement.Because gambling needs to have money for the game,if they get at their old age.Then why should they think about the retirement from the gambling,rather they have some fun by playing the gambling at their last years to this journey to world.Some ladies will have the habit of shopping even at their old ages,the men will have habit of spending time in the gambling.Most of the young people doing the gambling in their young age will be drug addicted person.So they will lose the funds at the half minded game.If the gambler play without consume drugs,So they can apply their strategies to the gambling and easy money to get from the gambling site.

Yes maybe it can, but what gambling can provide a consistent income for gamblers, is what you say true and have you ever proven it? on the other hand if gambling can provide a steady income then why are there still people who are willing to work hard just to earn money, why don't they just become gamblers? to be honest I don't understand what you mean but it is certainly ridiculous if people assume that they can get a steady income from gambling, it doesn't make sense and doesn't match the facts.

After all this is gambling which means there are losers and there are winners, do you think the bookie created the casino to give every gambler a free win? Absolutely not, it's a profitable business for them if a lot of gamblers lose, that's why there are more losers than winners and that's also the reason why they better quit as soon as possible and don't need to wait for retirement age. I would advise anyone to quit, whether it's for entertainment in old age or not but it's definitely an activity that can make your money go down the drain at any time and without you even realizing it, so prevention is better than cure.
1747  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Prove me wrong: Gambling is both more relaxing and entertaining than trading! on: December 16, 2023, 01:56:42 PM
This depend on how passionate the person on gambling or in trading since people would really say that they are more feel relax when gambling than trading and same what will be the trader said for gambling.
This does not depend on the one someone is passionate about. Trading is not fun at all and not entertaining in any way. If you are a scalper or a day trader, you will understand what I am talking about. No trader will say trading is entertaining. But if a trader is good, the trader will see trading more as a business and a way of making money instead. Gambling can not be seen as a way of making money because with experience, you have more chance to make money in trading.

Of course these two things are very different between gambling and trading, where gambling is only recommended as a place of entertainment when you have free time or feel bored, while trading is specialized as a place to earn, another difference is, can you learn gambling? or does it mean that the strategy you bring to gambling will be useful? No, because there is absolutely nothing to learn there, which means that it remains in the initial understanding that gambling is nothing more than entertainment.

While for trading everything you can learn and qualified knowledge and experience will be able to make it easier for you to be able to achieve a pretty good profit, on the other hand I agree with your idea that trading activities are not fun because the place is not to seek pleasure but to earn, but maybe there will be some situations that can make you quite happy and one of them is for example when you can reach your daily profit target if you are a day trader. In terms of opportunities are also clearly different, not least because in trading if you have good enough skills and knowledge then obviously your chances of profit will also be easily achieved, while in gambling there is no such thing but everything depends only on how lucky you are. But on the other hand there are indeed few similarities such as in terms of risk management, both of these require mental and psychological calmness to stay fine and so as not to suffer significant losses.
1748  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: December 16, 2023, 01:35:59 PM
As predicted although there were some doubts for me about Tottenham in this match, but finally Tottenham can secure the full three points in this match despite having to experience a red card on one of its players midway through the second half, initially I thought that by playing with only 10 people then Nottm Forest would be able to at least catch up  with its goal towards the end of the second half but good Tottenham can break all that speculation by successfully maintaining its advantage in terms of score until the end of the minute.

With this result it is clear that at least the confidence of the fans will be restored although maybe not completely, and with this good result at least Tottenham can be a little further away from Manchester United and equalize the number of points with Manchester City. Now they have a 2-point gap with Aston Villa who are in third place in the standings and a 3-point gap with Arteta's squad, but on the other hand the problem is that several other teams, especially those in the top five area, still have one match they have not played which means they have the possibility to continue to stay away from Tottenham's pursuit. Another thing is that I hope Tottenham will again be able to win the full three points in the next match against Everton.
1749  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: December 16, 2023, 01:04:51 PM

Well, let's wait for the results of the match between Bayer Leverkusen and Bayern Munich in this weekend match because ya, Bayer Leverkusen will play against Eintracht Frankfurt . Yes, we know that Eintracht Frankfurt managed to beat Bayern Munich with a big score of 5-1 last week so ya, whether Eintracht Frankfurt can also surprise Bayer Leverkusen or not . Meanwhile, Bayern Munich will also play against Stuttgart and ya, last week Stuttgart also managed to provide tough resistance to Bayer Leverkusen which required the match to end in a 1-1 draw.

So yes, I sure this match will be very interesting, because at least it will probably be a worthy comparison for their results later in this match . But ya, for some reason I still really believe that Bayer Leverkusen still has a chance to win this match because ya, about the trend of Eintracht Frankfurt and Stuttgart at this moment,I think Stuttgart is still better. If that really happens, then maybe Bayern Munich will not get maximum results and if that happens, then Bayer Leverkusen will walk away from Bayern Munich.

What a turn out last week but that's not going to show any sign of Bayern Leverkusen losing or playing poorly against the side that won the Champions Bayern Munich, although it was a shocking game seeing the might Bayern Munich losing not 1nil or 2-1 but 5-1, something we know Bayern for doing to other teams and last week they get to have a taste of it too.
But I'm certain that Bayern Leverkusen will not take any chances or even underrate their opponent (Frankfurt), they'll be very careful but getting that 3 point is a must. If they (Bayern Leverkusen) play against Frankfurt I believe they're going to make the pitch uncomfortable for the visitors.

Obviously, although basically the difference in depth between these two teams is quite far and Leverkusen is far above Frankfurt in the current conditions but still, caution and vigilance must still be applied by Xabi Alonso. Leverkusen are indeed unbeaten so far and they have a point difference which I think is quite far with Bayern Munich but still anything is still very possible and that means I am sure that Xabi Alonso will not underestimate his opponent.

In fact, the position at the top of the table is far from safe because there is a lot of pressure from the competition of several other strong teams, especially those who are competing in the top five area of the standings, and that means there is absolutely no reason for Leverkusen not to be careful even against the middle team. What is certain is that as you said, the full three points are a must for Leverkusen, there is no time to relax while the competition is still running. And maybe we can only hope that Leverkusen can continue to maintain their impressive performance until the season ends, because honestly I believe we must be quite bored when we see only one team that can always win the title at the end of the season, and it looks like this season will be more interesting especially at the end of the season when all teams display tighter competition.
1750  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Who among you here is gambling at work? on: December 16, 2023, 12:44:22 PM
Let me tell you, the feeling is far from pleasant. It leads to a decline in your work performance, which can have significant consequences since that's your primary source of income. It might be manageable if you're winning, but the harsh reality is often quite the opposite. Even when we do win, we tend to spend most of our winnings, so we don't treat it as business money. This leaves us in a precarious situation when we lose because the money we initially budgeted for our families gets diverted to cover unexpected gambling-related expenses.

I understand this situation. I was there at that moment before. Aside from a declined in work performance, I also feel not interested anymore to do my work. It leads me to have low grade on that particular month. Lots of errors were made to the point that I was even called by my supervisor to addressed those errors.

I suddenly realized that something is wrong now. I've began to change that habit and tried to return to my usual shape as a good employee. After a months of tough challenge to fight the temptation of doing gambling at work, I finally managed to get out of it and get back on track on now as a good team member.

That's why the OP made the title above, none other than because to provide a place where we can get a lot of advice from several people who maybe even one of us has experienced it and shared his experience here about the dangers and consequences if you gamble in the middle of the activity you are doing, especially if it is your main work activity that has been supporting you with the salary you get. If your staff or superiors don't know about it at all then maybe that's good enough but on the other hand it's like a carcass that over time will definitely smell if you can't change your habits by always gambling at work.

Another thing is that you have already explained that there is clearly a decrease in interest in continuing work if the results of your gambling are not what you want, your mood will disappear and after that you will not be able to focus on work, it causes a decrease in achievement and value from superiors because of the decline in the performance of the work you do. Besides, there is still plenty of time for you to gamble anyway, you can still gamble in your other free time such as at home or when you are off work, right? of course, then what is the reason that makes you even gamble where you shouldn't? it's unknown and I'm sure the reason doesn't make sense. Change is quite difficult but that doesn't mean it can't be, if you do it consistently then it will pay off, thank goodness if you can change, and don't even think about trying it again.
1751  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Why the rich win gambling more than the poor. on: December 16, 2023, 12:22:54 PM
The rich also experience the ups and downs when it comes to gambling. They too do experience defeats and losses on their bets but most times, they wouldn’t be affected by the loss.
They’re rightly concerned about putting money from the meagre amount earned into gambling when they’re more likely to lose that money. Better to utilize it on something better.
The rich don’t have that financial restriction as they’ve got enough money to bet consistently or to stake a bet with high amount periodically.
That's the main advantage the rich has. They can continue to try out their luck in different games but they poor cannot. Simply because the poor are restricted to a certain amount of money. They can't spend as they please. On the other hand the rich has abundant amount of money. So even if they loses 100 bets, it won't be enough to affect them that much. They can just move to another game if they feels like it.
Most people who don't have a lot of money will try to continue gambling because they hope to win some money. They gamble as if they are rich even though they are not, but if they had been gambling for a long time and could calculate how much money they had used, maybe they would be surprised to see the amount of money. That must be a lot of money that they have used for gambling. But that doesn't stop them from continuing to gamble because they still want to win. And it is different from rich people who often gamble because they have more money and sources of income that can provide more money. So we still can't compete with rich people in gambling and we can only gamble moderately rather than lose more money.


That's the mindset that most poor or lower middle class people have, I think the circumstances are the main cause that will push his mind to continue gambling and get a lot of money from winning to improve or increase finances in his life. I think only a few gamblers think to see how much money they have allocated to gambling, because their main focus is only on winning and indirectly it makes them forget about how much money they have lost in their gambling involvement during that time, of course if they see it maybe they will be surprised but that does not mean they will stop or just reduce, there are many choices they can choose between being more aggressive in gambling next with the aim of breaking even or reducing it in terms of budget so that the amount of defeat is not too large.

Honestly, I can't tell if rich people gamble more often than middle to lower class people or if they are very rare because they have a lot of activities in the real world, but what is certain is that as you said, rich people have a good financial level and with that, they have the freedom to put any amount on their gambling, for them winning is normal and losing is also normal, because obviously they already have a place to make money that is like running water, endless as long as they continue their business and that means that maybe losing is not something that matters to them.
1752  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can I ask for refund if casino game has bugs? on: December 16, 2023, 11:56:53 AM
Hello guys, I have heard many stories when person was playing casino games, for example person was playing slots and managed to win a huge jackpot, 100 thousand or up to a million but casino didn't give him his winning because they said slot had bugs and they can't give away money because person won through a buggy slots.
I have never seen a case when casino called player for a refund because slot had bugs. What happens if you think that slot has bugs and that's why you lose? If we follow logic, since casino can deny your winning because they think that game has bugs, you should have right to ask for slots inspect if you lose a lot. Doesn't this make sense? I think it makes but I want to know if you had similar experience or if something similar has happened in history ever.

If this case happens, You have to report the incident to the casino's customer service or hotline since this is casino's fault for having system issue and bugs. You can definitely ask for a refund for that because the site didn't functioning well and if there's a system update, they should have give prior notice to all players to limit and prevent this kind of incident.

Honestly for myself I have never experienced things like bugs in my gambling journey, I have never found some games that have errors when I am playing whether it is suddenly the game exits itself while I am playing or whatever and for sure I have never experienced things like that. On the other hand I'm sure there are only a few or quite rare buds like this in casinos, especially online-based ones, although not entirely, because after all casinos must have very good security and management of the systems they have and also because the money that rotates every time is very large there from the many gamblers who are playing.

But if something like that really happens then obviously I think all gamblers will definitely contact the service that has been provided by the casino itself by asking a few things, but for a refund I think it is quite rare for casinos to do except just by providing some services, and for the refund problem maybe it also really depends on how good the prestige and rating the casino has, if indeed they are one of the biggest casinos then obviously in terms of service it must also be quite satisfying including the possibility of a refund when a bug like that happens.

1753  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can loneliness make one addicted to gambling on: December 16, 2023, 11:31:13 AM

This idea does make sense and the OP has given one of the headings that cause someone to enter and get involved in gambling. Everyone has experienced loneliness and whether they choose gambling or something else to occupy their time is a choice and it is also quite possible that circumstance could be the driving force behind why they choose gambling. I have one scenario where they are lonely and then open their gatget and accidentally find one of the promotions from an online gambling site and that's where it all starts, I don't think I need to continue this scenario because you can probably guess what will happen next.

So basically I think they can get into gambling in any way whether intentionally or not and one of them is this loneliness, the danger is when you try it and then you keep an interest in the activity. Yes usually this kind of scenario will be very likely to happen to those who are introverts and to minimize it they should try to be more open to the outside world such as playing with friends or relatives, it will be useful to distract you from gambling.

I have a friend whose wife who lasted with him for 23 years, with grown children of 18+, left them and went to the USA, he says that now he feels lonely, but sometimes I cheer him up and all that, but instead of launching into one of the most logical things for someone like going to drink a lot of alcohol or something, no, what he did was decide to get ahead, he gave up alcohol, 'he can easily go to Colombia to a casino play or from the phone to play, because I talk to him a lot about the casinos here that if stake.com, bitcasino.io, and I say the games, the slots and it catches his attention, he doesn't do something like that, he does it What was said was that he made the effort to stop drinking alcohol, and get ahead, so he is a person who did not think about drinking, or going to a casino, he is only with his son, his other daughter, well, she is also living With him, of course he feels alone because he himself tells me that he gets up at 3 am to cry, and when it dawns too.

So loneliness in people is not the Kind that many take it for , I think that life is very beautiful, a person who has how to travel alone, enjoy places alone , I think that is priceless, if you feel bad or alone, Well, it's easy to get out, search, maybe find a new love, but you don't have to indulge in things like gambling or alcohol, drugs, none of that is necessary, those things make you feel more alone, things are like that when you need them, do much more, for example a person who feels alone can go out, go to a park, of course, but yes, going out to play in a casino has to have a balance willing to lose, nothing more, have that for Don't fall into problems, because falling into addiction and then facing another problem, I believe that those things are not and should not be like that, if you are trying to overcome something you have to do it in the best way , not putting on yourself more things that bother you even more problems.


It seems that your friend has a very good and mature mindset in life and his stance, he knows that the situation and circumstances of his life are not fine because maybe there is something that tells or makes him have to separate from his family, loneliness will obviously feel when away from his family and this is a good situation for us to associate with gambling or other diversionary actions to minimize the loneliness he feels like drinking alcohol or whatever, But if indeed your friend does not touch these two things at all then it seems that he is one very mature and firm person, knowing that all these actions will only make his situation worse, this is the real understanding that everyone should have including gamblers who may already be involved.

"Loneliness makes a person addicted to gambling" I think this statement is nothing more than a possibility or an indication that can make a person get involved in gambling just because of the urge of loneliness, not always directly into addiction but certainly involved in gambling, because for the matter of addiction will require enough time to experience many things that are tempting enough to end up being tempted and addicted. It's all a choice and everyone has different interests and interests in something, some of them may not like going out alone or other things, and that's why they choose gambling, it's all their right and it's up to them.
1754  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gamblers should not believe in first game win trap on: December 16, 2023, 11:02:33 AM
I don't think the first win is always going to be a trap or I wouldn't really consider that it's a trap to get you further involved, it's gambling and anyone can win and lose, so the casino doesn't mean that the first win is to trap you further.

All of this depends on the gambler's point of view, if indeed they address gambling as more of a pleasure activity (earning) then I think it is very possible that you are easily tempted by your first win and think excessively like thinking that "this is a good place to earn, I think it all comes back to one's point of view and understanding in terms of gambling especially about probability, if from the start they understand everything then I think they will remain fine, or that means they will not be easily tempted by something that looks like tempting.
1755  Economy / Economics / Re: Retirement Age for Workers - Does this Make Sense? on: December 15, 2023, 09:20:36 PM
Because there aren't many options for healthcare and life expectancy is declining globally, I find the idea objectionable. With the retirement age being raised to 64, some people who have worked and paid into the system for many years may not live long enough to get benefits. Thus, extending work hours shouldn't be required; instead, people should do it if they feel well enough to do so. Recreational pursuits, travel, time with the grandchildren are all intended to be part of retirement. They cannot appreciate life if they are broken down and in anguish.
I also think that it would be much better for someone who has turned 60. to have the option of whether to take retirement or choose to continue working for an additional few years as agreed. So that people who have the desire to retire at the age of 60 will not feel disappointed if there are options they can choose. and those wishing to remain employed will also not be disappointed as there are options for extensions of employment. and I heard there is a system like this in my country. what is referred to as young retirement or early retirement, namely retirement before entering retirement age. but they still have pension benefits. it's just not as big as when they retire at the retirement age limit.

In my opinion, it all depends on each person. because people's pleasures are different in nature, for example someone who is 60 years old and he does not have a family or only lives alone, in my opinion, a person like this will prefer to continue working because of his situation who does not have a family and the friends who are in his workplace are his family so maybe I he will continue to work even though he is 60 years old.
And there are those who choose to retire at the age of 60, because they have a family and realize that their old age must be spent with their family because their pleasure is in their family, and their family is the most valuable treasure in life.
So everything has its own portion.
1756  Economy / Economics / Re: Do you still use Banks ? on: December 15, 2023, 09:00:04 PM
This system does have a level of weakness both when using ATMs and sometimes we are busy with a network that is so slow. Back again for each individual and how they interpret the needs of bank users because for now we still need a bank as a step of life that is a bit easier.

I agree with this, because banks also have their own important role, where in today's life with the development of technology, of course investing in BTC is good because if this is run well in the long run it will certainly be profitable, but not everyone can do it because this is not an easy thing to do, most people fail halfway and stop their investment. so only people who have high consistency can do it.
different from banks that are real in life and visible to everyone, saving in the bank will not be profitable because the balance will not increase by itself, unless we ourselves fill it up, but in my opinion the role of banks is also important, I myself save in the bank, because I think about the fear that one day I will experience something that is not wanted and also need money to overcome it, like an accident or robbery, where the money saved in the bank can be taken at any time we want, just like BTC but I really regret it if I withdraw the money in BTC, so I play both of these things well, because they have their own important roles.
1757  Economy / Economics / Re: Learn to use DEBT in a proper way to create asset on: December 15, 2023, 08:40:13 PM
borrowing capital to open a business or business makes sense, because there are people who have an idea for a business but don't have enough money to start it, they can take out a loan to run it, but as long as they run it well and it must produce results, because a business basically has to produce its own profits. and people who borrow money to open a business are only certain people anyway because people like this tend to be people who have strong determination because they dare to take out a loan to run their business idea.
it's not wrong if they borrow money to open a business, because if they are sure that what they are going to do can be profitable, it doesn't matter, I support this. because this also opens someone up to be more courageous in taking steps, on the other hand there are definitely risks but as I said only someone who has a strong determination to do this because rarely do people dare to do something like this which is very risky. the key is confidence. Cool
1758  Economy / Economics / Re: Food for thought on: December 15, 2023, 08:20:07 PM
Relying on one source of income has become difficult, but many do not have the option to have a side business, such as starting a small business and growing it gradually, either because there is not enough money, or there is no space, or there is no time and experience, or problems in marketing and reaching customers, so it is better to try. You should start investing early and at a young age, and when you reach the age of thirty, then you will think about starting a family, and then you will have surplus money and experiences.

I think that opening a business requires capital, but even with small capital it can be done, because there are also businesses that can be run with small capital. and there is nothing wrong with opening a small business to make extra income or for a side, because generally a well-run business can grow because no one knows that the business that is run might become a big business. many people don't realize this, because they don't think long, I mean when they want to open a business but don't have enough capital, they don't continue it they choose to quit instead.

I mean, it's not a problem to open a small business if you really need extra income, because basic daily needs must be met such as food, electricity, water, and kitchen ingredients, that's the main thing in life because if they can't fulfill all of that then they will probably have difficulties with their lives. so in my opinion it doesn't matter if they open a business, even if it's a small business, it doesn't matter.
1759  Economy / Economics / Re: World is full of things what nobody dont need just too much on: December 15, 2023, 07:59:24 PM
I agree that the world has a lot of things manufactured by thousands of branded and unbranded products we don't really need but that was just a part of the supply and demand. We consumers has the right to choose in every product we wanted to buy even if we don't need them. Greed was one of many factors that affects this kind of event. But this don't work on me personally because I only buy what I need rather than I wanted.
 
that's right, everyone has the right to choose what they want or what they want. most people today that I know, especially young people, many of them force themselves to buy branded goods that have a high price value, and most of them are still in school and who do not have a job, this encourages them to be able to have high value goods because along with the development of technology also leads all young people to live in luxury such as from vehicles and especially in gadgets, many young people force themselves to be able to have luxury goods such as vehicles and gadgets. unfortunately many of them ask their parents to be able to fulfill their desires while their parents are only ordinary workers with enough income to meet their needs.

Unfortunately, many of them ask their parents, and this is certainly not good, because there are children who ask their parents to be able to fulfill their desires while their parents are only ordinary workers with enough income for their needs, and what makes me odd is that they ask for it by force, even though they should be aware of their family's financial situation. So in my opinion, don't push what you want, it's better to prioritize what you need.
1760  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: December 15, 2023, 07:17:54 PM
Tottenham Hotspur are going on a trip to City Ground to secure 3 point to give them a little push to the table, but will that be too easy for the visitors to achieve? Well Spurs have already shown how weak they are when it comes to receiving pressure from oppositions and Nottingham are good at doing that.
Angelos Postecoglou will try as much as possible to beat the home side to at least prove to the fans that they're still in race for the title, to me I don't see anything special about Tottenham Hotspur any more ever since they lost to West Ham that wasn't coordinated in that game and a win to Newcastle is not that convincing to me. The best that could come out of this game tonight is a draw and I feel Tottenham was just luck against Newcastle.

There's no reason why Tottenham can't get an easy win tonight. They have to win 3 points in matches like this in order to prevent the point difference between them and the top teams from increasing. Such matches allow them to relax and increase their motivation.
It will be good for them if they win this match by scoring at least 2-3 goals. They have a great opportunity to recover from the points they have been losing for several weeks Smiley

Yes and this should be a pretty good opportunity for Tottenham to take advantage of the situation, overall it is true that as you said that there is no reason for Tottenham to fail to secure full points in this match even though any result can happen there, but on the other hand I believe and they should be able to secure at least share points.

Because after all their position is now vulnerable and far from safe when a team has to occupy 5th place in the standings. On the other hand Manchester United continue to chase behind and at least with the three points they might get in this match they will be able to move away from the chase and secure the number of points with Manchester City. I'm pretty sure but not completely, I doubt they'll slip up again even against a weak club.
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