It's impossible to keep track... simply too many.

To those that come here for guidance, I insist: If the project has a self-moderated thread non BitcoinTalk, please, please, run from it as fast as you can. The MATHEMATICAL possibilities of it being either an outright scam or a scam by way of total ineptitude by their devs are, again mathematically, like 99 to 1. Why assume the risk? There's no upside, believe me. None. If a project is legit, if a project is sound, no one will have any interest in a censored thread, especially their devs. Much like in the WALL OF SHAME, people is smart enough to distinguish from what's legit and what's just misinformation. Once again: The only reason for having a self-moderated thread is to have the ability to censor the posts that you don't like. Everyone will tell you that it is to avoid FUD and only for that reason but always, always, no exceptions, it is not the entire truth for it always ends up censoring posts whose contents the devs don't like. Especially those containing evidence of inconvenient activities. So, once again: If it is self-moderated, NO, THANKS!

And self-moderated are both HAL and XBOT, the latest -so to speak- "scams" -by way of ineptitude. Look how good has they had for being self-moderated. Devs held unaccountable for their arrogance and outright ineptitude. AND, -even bigger flag- anonymity. If the devs don't have a full name and full verifiable address, why would you want to invest in their projects? Simply DO NOT.

Mind you, having names and addresses, as well as non self-moderated thread will not insure you against scams, especially the ones due to ineptitude, such as PESA or, more recently, SEED, the fastest debacle ever in cryptoland in spite of having the promotion, sponsorship and support of the entire PinkCoin team...
which brings us to PinkCoin, which were, for a brief second, "the good guys"... Mind you that was before it was discovered that their charity attempts were just a facade for DUMPING and other shady activities such as off-market transactions with friends ("you scratch my back I'll scratch yours" is their mantra) and hush-hush selling (for the personal benefit of the devs) of tech developed for the coin. I have proven they have been dumping from the get go, back in May (go to their thread, which they will close soon enough to go the self-moderated way), to see the evidence which is all and has always been out there for everyone to see.

Once again: Stay clear of self-moderated threads that hide scam coins 99% of the time or more. Run, don't walk, from anonymous devs ALWAYS. You won't be fully protected in the hornet's nest of scammers that cryptoland is, but you will be more protected than most.

Why, are you going to try to bribe me now? It won't work. It never did.

Oh and yeah, lying, selling off-market, secretly and massively DUMPING and hush-hush selling the technology developed for the coin, as well as the practice of "you scratch my back I'll scratch yours" are ALL shady activities... all of  which, ALL OF  WHICH, have been irrefutably proven. To a much lesser extent than the reality is, I must add.

Come on, close the thread and go your natural way... instincts always take over in the end... especially the crooked ones.

Since silence means approval, obviously the assumption that the technology James is bringing to VRC is for cloud storage (sorry: decentralized cloud storage),  is correct. In other words: James is buying the Vericoin image to keep on hiding his identity to the world and hoping regulation in the US will not catch up before he can get the last drop out of Supernet. Smart move or only resource at his disposal? A bit of time will tell. He's a smart guy so it is probably a smart move and a benefit to Supernet project... To VRC? It doesn't hurt -for now; it will at time of regulation-  but, without James, possibilities of survival of VRC are very slim to none, so pretty much only option left. Value? It had. A month ago. Not any more.

Maddie: day 3 of many weeks and months ahead in the singles and trending lower. Keep holding me up to that, ok?

Fayoling has already started you on that. It's inevitable. Scam coin 101: self-moderated thread.

Other than here, you are already isolated. You want more even? be my guest, please. The coin is dead, you can believe that. Even as a side-show joke, the cat's out of the hat.

"Instigating"? What do you expect, people indifference when presented with undeniable evidence of shady activities and outright, sustained, lies? Don't worry, you still have the nutcases willing to foot the bill, whatever that willingness is worth. Maybe enough to dump the rest? You are a "smart" guy sonney from bombey, if you hurry up you can still salvage some more, but don't expect total impunity (only on the other wallets, the ones not exposed) because some people will be watching from now on. It doesn't really matter boy: You are DONE.

I have edited the post for clarity for, amazingly, it wasn't -it appears, at least in your case-, clear enough: By "give away" I meant throw away, get them destroyed. Is it clear enough now?

It works like this: The present "value" of SEED is ZERO. Yep, ZERO. There's no "market cap". If Fayoling tries to sell his 740,000 coins, he won't get even close to the 1 BTC he invested, even if he takes some time in doing so. SEED, as it stands, has no value whatsoever, none.

Now, if Fayoling and at least the other top 5 wallets burn, destroy 90% of their coins, there would be left roughly 1 million coins total. First thing that would happen, immediately, is that SEED will have "some" real value, probably in the $15 to $ 30,000 to start; second, it would have a community of shorts -maybe 100 holders-, pushing to save it in their own real interest, even perhaps investing some real money in it. As a consequence, let's assume the REAL VALUE reaches $30,000 -it could go much higher than that easily-, now Fayoling's stake would be worth -and cashable- $2,220. As opposed to ZERO now and no project, no nothing. Get it now? The same would be true for ALL the rest of the SEED holders: From gaving nothing, tpo have something. And a project to push. It is THAT simple.

The other thing that you have wrong is the part where you state I have a "large stake in Pink"... I have, as I have repeated a few times, a very modest financial investment in Pink. I have a very deep investment in it though, just not financial. You see, I supported that coin project from the very beginning. It was presented as a different project, transparent and honest... As a consequence, I put it on my WALL OF HONOR (only coin ever), and I openly supported it until I started to discover that it was just the usual hornet's nest of lying, cheating, greedy devs taking advantage of people. It's personal now, not just a result of my very modest investment.

I hope you get that straight. Get something else: contrary to 99% of people in alt, I am in it not only to make money -which would be very nice indeed-, but because I believe it is a technology worth protecting from the lying, greedy bastards that are delaying it's adoption in the real word. The bad players have to be exposed and eliminated. Not just the lying, greedy bastards but also the bad, unprepared players willing to become lying, greedy bastards pretending that just forking a coin is actually contributing to push the technology forward.

I will continue doing what I can to warn the people against the bad players until there are none left in crypto. I have my work cut out for me, I know.

For a moment I thought the idea of giving away 90% was about to take shape... (as in burned, destroyed, so there's no room for interpretations) you know, to be able to create a (small) community out of nothing; some value, real value, out of nothing.

But, of course, I was wrong. Another idiotic scheme to try and keep engaged a few losers still believing in this piece of shit... while inflicting the ultimate strokes into Pink coin at the same time.

Masterful, Fayoling, you are a genius indeed.

Such a genius that you are going to have the dubious honor of driving to the ground two coins at the same time.

Congrats in advance.

So just to make it clear, the idiot Max is 100% out, no strings attached. So is his "voice" on this forum?

And now the developer AND voice is this guy, Whive?

Who is he? Just a handle? Who are the other devs, if any?

Thank you for your answer but I hope there's a "better" one than that. A far better one, in fact. Because either I don't get it or what -for you- makes this idea "very special" is that it would be decentralized? Do I get that right? I hope there's something more, much, much more...

Just in case there isn't, can you please illustrate me as to the practical use of such a feature? You don't mean that the likes of Jennifer Lawrence would be able to store their nude photos and videos there, instead of the other solutions available, do you? You will be saying that they would use and pay for a cloud storage of which they know nothing simply because you -or someone else- says it is anonymous? As in no hackers there? Really? You will be asking people to trust the only "place" on Earth (and way beyond) known to be the nest of all hackers and low lives in the universe? Really?

Or, maybe, what you are referring to as "very special" is that big companies, such as Apple, will be able to store their documents to defraud authorities in these "clouds" instead of their own? Is that it? That is simply too ridiculous to even contemplate so... we art running out of potential customers here... oh wait, you must be referring to accountancy of drug deals, illicit transfers and the like, don't you? There's probably a "market" there that would include child pornography, selling of sex slaves, body parts... is that the "market" for a "very special" 'decentralized cloud storage technology"? Humm, I certainly hope you are not referring to that.

In any case, James, Effects, I will be waiting for an answer... as I am sure will be many that are accumulating BTC to jump rioght in now that price is again at or closing in on historical lows...

Especifically you DUMPED almost the total of 3 million coins plus you got. 733k left out of 3.4 mill. One has to eat and pay rent, right?

Edit to add:

Fayoling, all of his 567,633 coins, DUMPED (that's, obviously, the signature address only. There are other addresses, of course.

Sumgye, all his 100+k, dumped... that would be from the address on his signature. His OTHER address is a bit more telling though:PTz9c7gsDu14FnD6tPFFUPy9rihVXH7GTx. You can see how he has DUMPED 23.4 million OF HIS TOTAL OF JUST OVER 25 MILLION. Do you think Sonnyboy that capitals are warranted?

Owl - out of 10 million, 7 million DUMPED.

All of this is very easy to corroborate just checking your known wallets, SPECIFIC FACTS, as usual.

To the nutcase: On May 30th, Danny has already admitted he had "around 45 million coins" (and here is the proof: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=624017.msg6999294#msg6999294; besides him, "Dr. G" also had in excess of that amount... Also this guys had in excess of that amount "for the long term":https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=624017.msg6997690#msg6997690... which proves, in case there was any doubt, that you are not only a sick, lying nutcase, but that you have no idea, ever what the fuck you are talking about.

To the forgetful Danny, here's for your remembrance: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=624017.msg7042831#msg7042831. And so you don't have to read the entire post, the lines that count are here: "I personally bought 1,000,000 Pinkcoins at market rate directly from @CryptoCayce since I liked the group's outreach plans and projects mentioned in their announcement." (quotes and bolding are added by me).

Now, to all pinkcoin holders interested: The above is just a glimpse of who you have developing this project, only 5 months into it. The real behind the scenes action, including selling of software (that they don't bother to even hide anymore, because the cat's out of the hat), hush-hush transactions off-market, etc. I can assure you are much, MUCH more numerous that what has been showed here. It's a whole world out there. With the facts presented, which is just the tip of the iceberg, it's up for you to decide if continuing supporting what was once a great idea and has become a total embarrassment for all who, like me, once believed in it.

Danny, I know you have me on ignore, but I'm sure you are going to get a bit of a smell of this post. Your credibility is gone man, sorry. And I am going to go a bit further and openly accuse you of lying about having given away 14 million pinkcoins. You haven't. Not even close to that figure. That would be almost 3 million coins a month... in what? to who? Sorry but no way. I am calling your bluff.

Dead. Stick a fork in it.

I am posting from smart phone wey from bombey but worry not your required reading post will be linked as soon as I get to my laptop.

Your kiss ass servilism by the way is embarrassing ...

Now we are talking!

In your OWN screen shot i see 19 million. I mudt be very wrong. The 1 million that you sold at market price but off market is fully documented in the earlier pages of this thread... i will choose to brlirve you just "forgot" about it. Just wonder what else have you conveniently "forgotten"... how many behind the scenes deals have taken place, are indeed taking llace now that we all know the mantra of Pink is "you scratch my back I'll scratch yours" (a quote, by the way, you and Fayoling have borriwed, ever so unfortunstely, from "casino" the mob movie). No need to probe honesty or transparency though, thr markrt smells the rotten quite easy. The 75 million coins at bittrex telling you anything on that regard?

Another quedtion: sponsoring, promoting and fully and continually supporting the SEED debacle you think has proven to be positive or negative for Pink? Appropriate even? You and your dev pals still doing it?

Finally, you want me to go into other devs' wallets to take a look?
I can do a few clicks no problem... but it seems to me Fayoling, for instance, did buy SEED instead of Pink. Was he sellinv, hss hebeen selling instea? Figure that one out yourself, ok? Sumnyge?
Tranzium? Of couse you can do anything you want with your coins... well not exactly. That's if you are to pretend to be honest, of course, which, at this point, is as much of a loser proposition as your poker results.

Ignore away.

And sure enough once again ereboltc is out of control... here. He must be drunk again...

Afraid to be bumped off the other forums or is it a psychological need?

I dont agree with UK on several strategy points and on some appreciations but 2 lines of ANY of his posts bring more to the table than all the stupid rants by the pom-pom boys combined.

The very very viral presence is both funny (in every possible way) and, of late, quite pathetic. In ALL cases, fully detrimental for vrc.

Now back to school patio practices... i thought you had your own patio now... i must have been misinformed.



 

Is it outright lying or a lapse of memory Danny? It is POSTED here that you sold, at market price, ONE MILLION VOINS. Posted here, ok? It is POSTED HRRE, by yoursrlf, that you had in the neighborhood of 45 million coins. Ehat is this Danny? Whrre are those slmost 14 million given away? To who? Come on. Fact is you have sold/given away more thsn half the coins you hsd 5 months ago. And that, by any other name, is DUMPING, OK?

Ok Danny, beforei go into details, perhaps you NEED to defend yourself. You podt that you have given away almost 14 million coins. How's that? Where are yhem? Where,s the splash/charity that such giveawsyshould have provoked? Should I just believe it? You havent sold any? We all know differently so dont ask me to prove at least onr off matket sale. As for having "more than 30 million" you surely mean more than 40 million, right? Revise your numbrrs. And your sales.

After that I will go into thers' wallrts, ok?

You have already talked about that "special feature" -by "you" I mean Nosker-, the "cloud storage", right? No wondrr market is blase about it for while cloud storage is an obvious need now and in the future, with every single major player from apple and microsoft to oracle and google offering it for free or for peanuts, it is hard to imagine such a feature being in any way shape or form "special". Surely James has something else up his sleeve, right?

Total nutcases aside...

Pink is 5 months old. There's no support -nor volume- for this oncevpromising project now convrrted to a side show joke by a greedy and quitevinept dev team which, by the wsy, has been MASSIVELY DUMPING on you. No need to believe me you can see for yourself, just need to look: sevrrsl accounts had aroun 40-45 million coins (that's why they revamped) take a close look now, 5 months later. Fayoling was then buying, remember?

Anyway those who wanto to see ghey just have to re-read a bit and click a few clicks. YOU ARE BEING PLAYED AND DUMPED ON.

Its the beginning of the end.

No back to your nutcase regular programming...

If you see whats going on in any way as "best case scenario" you are deluding yourself and setting yourself up for a rude awakening.

You would have never ever thought a viable, logical and sensible solution could actually be that simple ah?

Well that's why you are... well, you!

Just to clarify a point I made days ago regarding that I saw "a slight opportunity when (not if) markrt cap goes under $10k..." That statement was made under the assumption that, long before now, fayoling and his four co-holdrrs of 60% of thevtotal coins would have already donated and burned 90% of their coins...WHICH IS THE ONLY POSSIBLE WAY FOR SEED TO SURVIVE. If 10% of those 1.7+ million coins are donated for future projects and ghe other 1.5 + million are destroyed, then there' a small, remote chance of survival for SEED. Otherwise nine whatsoever at all.
Reason being, obviously, a supportive community and a distribution that makes fair and logical sense.

Any chances of that happening? I'd say slim to none... but i have been wrong before...

One thing's for sure though: the parties have nothing to lose if they do it and potentially quite a bit to gain; not diing it is losing it all for sure.