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I've heard you can link wallets on different devices, where would I find more information about that?
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No. It's a pure scam. Premined. Not a fork. No it is a fork. Because anyone who holds private keys on bitcoin (segwit) will have the same private keys on bitcoin 'gold' blockchain just as it was with bitcoin cash on the last fork. Premine is different, means the coins are all created up front and held by the devs, who typically sell them with an ICO or something. I think the bitcoin cash fork was kind of warranted. Segwit was a huge change to bitcoin which many people didnt lke so to create a fork was justified. This I don't know. Too many forks could be damaging. I don't see a great need for this fork |
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Do I see a bullish cup n handle on the DASHBTC chart ?  |
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blah blah blah lied to the public blah blah might have to give you that one blah blah
Nice try Icey, but as you can see.. What I ment to say with regards to the fix of InstantSend is that update 12.2 is still work in progress and that the code that handles this specific fix is therefore in theory still subject to changes. Personally I think they did already fixed it in 12.2
Ah, in that case I don't give Icey that one.  I took it back. Btw that screenshot says 'Future release, v12.2.x, work in progress', not 'Instant send work in progress' Never mind keep trying. You might win a point one day but for now you are still rekt |
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What I ment to say with regards to the fix of InstantSend is that update 12.2 is still work in progress and that the code that handles this specific fix is therefore in theory still subject to changes. Personally I think they did already fixed it in 12.2
Ah, in that case I don't give Icey that one. |
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I might have to give you that one Icey! The Instand Send fix was reported to be completed. It was news to me too that it now isn't. Nice ! I wish you a successful recovery from the ensuing "embarrassment"/"humiliation". Meanwhile, I trust your "adversary" is suitably entertained having recruited you and Diego24 to his clown kingdom  (See your subject banner) What the !!!? omg My subject banner whats happened? Have I gone full moneron? |
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blah blah blah
I might have to give you that one Icey! The Instand Send fix was reported to be completed. It was news to me too that it now isn't. (Although qwizzie did say the news about instant send could be misinterpreted from his side in the post you quoted). If you know anything about Dash you would know it is aiming for on chain scaling not off-chain. Bitcoin cash stripped out the segwit code for good reason. Dash (and Bitcoin Cash for that matter) aim to be used as a true digital cash not as a settlement layer for offchain transactions via Lightning Network. |
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The Monero blockchain can NOT be verified with a pubkey. A Monero Transaction Can be verified, That is a BIG difference.
Yes thanks for correction. Why would you want to verify other's transactions? That is the entire point, that you shouldn't. If the protocol and the encoding procedure is bug-free, then it's just as valid transaction even if it's masked. And we know the whole point of hash functions and public key cryptography is that you cant recreate the same data from different source, collision protection. If that mechanism is sound, then who cares what the transaction is, nobody can steal your money and nobody even knows who and how much money they have. Only those that you do business with will. That is the whole point. You don't need a public ledge, a rich list, and such. It's very privacy invasive. It’s all based on trust: trust in the “hopium” than that the client you happen to be using actually faithfully implements the protocol; trust in the ‘experts’ that the chain is ok when either some rogue group says it isn’t or when your own client software says it isn’t; trust in developers that the code isn’t doing some mad corrupt leakage out to an address that nobody can see or audit; trust in a centralised encryption algorithm that it won't be sprung open with a can opener a few years down the line to reveal every transaction in history. (A 'viewkey' doesn't in the least change this fact by the way. All a viewkey is is a private key with read-only privilages, it isn't a substitute for a fully transparent chain). Just as with Dash's hopium that the Masternode system won't be broken or abused in some way. ...etc... Did you even READ what Toknormal said? There is no "Hopium" as you can SEE everything done on the blockchain, you simply can't TRACE it. The Inputs and outputs are clear, Dash mixes by creating exactly the same denominations and entering them in the block chain at the same time, input = output and thus with one round, an output has 3 possible inputs. Do this once, you have the same amount of "mixing" as Monero has. But there is a possibility that the Masternode, who only gets chosen 1:4500 times, is spying, so we allow for as many rounds of mixing as you care to do. After 8 rounds of mixing, even if someone can spy with 80% of the masternodes, the likelihood of seeing where funds are is minuscule. And that's basically for the paranoid, because Masternodes are well distributed and all over the world. In Monero, you can not see the blockchain. Inputs and outputs are obfuscated in a mess. Which by the way, how do you know there is no key to unravel? Dash does this with logic, not mathematical trickery. Who can know if there is a key to unravel a "one way encryption"? This part I may be ignorant on, but as I can't understand it, I don't trust it. They already had their system cracked a couple of years ago, with all previous transactions exposed, how do we know that won't happen again? Dash uses pure logic and statistics. With that, you can keep a transparent blockchain that can be audited to make sure it is functioning properly, that no extra coins were somehow inserted that weren't part of the rewards produced, etc... It also allows for functions where a transparent blockchain is desirable, such as charities that want to show how their funds are spent, or the Core team, who do not mix their funds, and clearly show how they are spending funds so we can see if they are trustworthy or not. And without the transparent blockchain, without this system of Masternodes, without the budget system, there could be no Evolution. Evolution will be a completely decentralized yet easy to use system, like logging into your bank account, moving funds to different "accounts" and making payments as easily as Paypal. ALL DECENTRALIZED!!! No "3rd party service" which is what web wallets are, BTW, so know your funds are as at risk there as they are in an exchange. Anyway, I hope this helps, if you still don't see the value, please stop shilling Monero here, you won't get anywhere with it with this audience. There goes profitgen212 again with his big ifs'. The opaque monero blockchain can be trusted... IF the protocol and the encoding procedure is bug-free.... IF that mechanism is sound. Those are some major ifs. But IF they are not? How do you know if the blockchain can't be audited? You can't know. You can keep your head in the sand though. |
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I just bought some dash list night, because in think it is a very good long term bag. I am happy about all the features they have implemented. And i am looking forward to all the thing that are coming next. Nice to be a party of the community now
For me its the best long term bag, better than bitcoin segwit and bitcoin cash, although I hold them too. I don't even count Ripple or Eth as worthy of my attention. |
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Blah blah blah
Strange I thought your comment was at the top of this page. Ah well I'm sure it was interesting and informative. About the Dash roadmap and Evolution. Don't be worried, Dash will deliver. |
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Damn, Dash price is rising fast now :  Will it breach 0.1 in two days ? Stay tuned...  peace out DASH is very good coin, I make a lot of profit with this coin Yes there is a lot of potential. I think it has a chance of breaching 0.1 |
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I am not confused about Monero and Zcash. Both have opaque blockchains.
No you don't get it. The monero Blockchain can be verified by the pubkey, which only you should have anyway the transactions in the block don't matter from decentralization point of view, the crypto is solid and the format is probably not malleable. So it works perfectly. While Zcash is totally dark, which means that it totally relies on the trusted initialization phase. And Dash is totally open with "optional" privacy whic is also very weak. Monero is both trustless and private, it's the golden mean between decentralization and privacy. No you don't get it  A pubkey doesn't verify the Monero blockchain, only one single transaction. (thanks for pointing that out chilly2k) (and elaborated on in great detail by toknormal) Trust is required in abundance that opaque blockchains are legit. This is why I don't like zcash, and also one reason (among many others) why I don't like Monero. A bug was caught recently in cryptonote coins which would have allowed undetected coin minting. I'm almost sure fluffypony wouldn't do it on purpose but still, how are you ever sure this isn't happening or will never happen via some other bug? * What if nodes/miners decide to censor or discriminate transactions above 10,000$... You're conflating fungibility of the coin supply with "fungibility" of the transacting environment. They are distinct. No they are not. You either have fungibility or not. You can't pretend to have fungibility while actually not having it. It's the same as privacy on Dash. You either have it or you dont. If the TX can be traced back via some blockchain analysis, then you neither have privacy nor fungibility. So why pretend that you do? Thats a big if. It has never happened, despite the big bounty on offer for someone who manages it. Not to mention rival developers of other coins also having vested interest in breaking Dash private send. Stating that it is easy doesn't make it so. |
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Is the dashninja.pl offline ?
Is owner aware?
Yes looks offline to me too qwizzie |
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Instant send was fixed but since the new release is out soon it was bundled into that. Dash has a history of delivering everything thats promised.
Monero doesn't even have 'releases'. You just grab the latest dev version and hope it works.
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I don't think its a good idea locking up airdropped coins. Let the free markets sort it out. Sellers will sell, buyers will buy, in the end it works out how it should. In terms of technical picture. I want to see Byteball break out of this downtrend, its very close just now. (log price scale) Considering RSI looks oversold and there is no airdrop this month I think Byteball could have a bit of a run. Hang in there.  |
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It's only Monero people who ever bring up Monero in this thread, and then claim there's some kind of competition. Comparing Dash and Monero nowadays is like comparing an iPhone and a paperclip. Sure, if you want to hold documents together you're better choosing the paperclip, but then declaring the iPhone inferior because your papers fell on the floor just makes you look stupid.
Coin market cap looks nice just now, only Dash in green. And currently sitting above Litecoin  |
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Not to mention slow transaction times, bloated blockchain, almost non existant official releases, not very many full nodes on the network, and of course the opaque blockchain in which you have to trust there is no bad actor stealthily minting coins they shouldn't. But apart from that. Hey at least Monero has a graphical UI these days. It took a while.
Whoah hold on there buddy that is pure disinformation. From what I researched Monero has over 1k nodes, well geographically dispersed, pretty decent for a project of it's size, while Dash's Masternode allegations still stand, due to it's costly nature we don't know whether it's the orignal devs setup the Masternodes or not, I personally highly doubt that many people have that much money to throw out on a node so, at the very least people should be vigilant about the Masternodes. So a sybil attack is more probable on Dash. And you also seem to confuse Monero with Zcash. It's Zcash that has a totally non-transparent blockchain with "trusted" initialization. Monero is decentralized and trustless. Now I don't know about "bloated blockchain", that's such a redundant term, almost everyone uses it to criticize a competitor. And the last time I sent a Monero TX (wasn't that long ago), the TX confirmed pretty quickly with decent fees. So I think you are just trying to discredit Monero here from a competitor's point of view. You are right on the GUI part though, I really had to learn the console commands just to make a wallet, pretty gruesome nerdy work, but I think it was worth it. A better GUI and possible mobile apps and such should be put out in the future though. These are my actual first hand experiences when I tried using Monero. Admittedly from a while back, more than a year ago. But the experience was aweful. Maybe things have improved. I didn't know the number of nodes had crept up, last time I looked it was less than one thousand. I am not confused about Monero and Zcash. Both have opaque blockchains. You don't seem to get it, despite toknormals posts on the subject. Ah well. You can take a horse to water but not make it drink. By the way the ONLY reason I am even mentioning Monero is because you popped up on here going on about Monero versus Dash like its some kind of competition. |
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Frankly the way Icebreaker deletes his posts so as to repost to the top of the next page. I was going to say is 'pathetic'. But maybe it is just 'faintly embarrassing'. Whos to say? Anyway it is an interesting correlation when icebreaker posts usually Dash goes on a bull run. So thanks again Icey  Dash MACD on weekly timescale has crossed bullishly  Looks likely further rises at least to the top of my pink channel, maybe beyond. |
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If Dash would integrate mandatory privacy like Monero did, then it could easily reach the value of ETH.
That's a curious viewpoint, since Monero itself (presently $96.56 at Coinmarketcap) did not reach the value of ETH ($288.53) despite having "mandatory privacy". Meanwhile, Dash ($340.27) has much higher US$ value than either, which suggests that the market is relatively comfortable with its present trajectory. Even if your view is based on market cap rather than coin value, Monero with its "mandatory privacy" is far below ETH so adding "mandatory privacy" to Dash would seem unlikely to propel it "to easily reach the value of ETH". Monero doesn't have the community size but it has the privacy. Dash has the community size but it doesnt have privacy, but it is at least decentralized (if this masternode thing would sort itself out eventually) and well organized. ETH is neither private nor decentralized and it's almost to say pretty unprofessionally organized especially in the DAO fiasco, the ETH Foundation has overwhelming influence and I don't think that is good for a project of that magnitude.
-Fee. Did you saw that monero have the highest average fee per transactions?
I guess privacy has it's own price too. Not to mention slow transaction times, bloated blockchain, almost non existant official releases, not very many full nodes on the network, and of course the opaque blockchain in which you have to trust there is no bad actor stealthily minting coins they shouldn't. But apart from that. Hey at least Monero has a graphical UI these days. It took a while. Litecoin is a test net for bitcoin core. Icetroll seems to think the ultimate aim of any coin should be implementing segwit. At least litecoin has that. Bitcoin cash doesn't. I wonder which side of the fork Satoshi would prefer? Personally I like bitcoin cash. But when you consider digital cash there is only Dash. When offchain transactions are the norm (in the segwit coins) is that because bitcoin scaled or because bankers took over? Hmm Sorry some of that is aimed at Icebreaker not you. There is a reason for the frosty atmosphere around here which I think might be partly to blame for the lack of engagement when you first started posting on this thread. If you look through almost any of the pages in this thread you will find trolling, usually from Monero goons. Also known as Monerons . It really does feel that the Monero community try to lift their own coin by attacking rivals rather then working on their own tech. Often actual Monero devs have wasted their time posting on this very thread. Deep down I think it is based on insecurity, their faith in cryptology and their feelings of superiority are undermined by economic forces they don't comprehend. |
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Giving these Whales such huge amounts and letting the interest compound for them was a huge mistake.
The coins have to be distributed somehow. But in time it probably doesn't matter too much who the initial air drops went to .Time will even out, weak hands sell and strong hands buy. In the end those who believe will possess the coins. I personally quite intrigued by this project and have been buying in order to hold longer term. Hopefully it will work out, it is definately different and personally I like not going down the all hype - no substance ICO route. |
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