I think its funny how these new coins try to beat nxt distribution with all these mad ideas on how to keep it fair. But none of them succeed. Take nem for example sock puppet accs, exo has the same problem with the 1st level 2nd level 3rd level investments. Looks like nxt did alright. Oh by the way im in on exo regardless of distribution this only matters to those that missed out learned this with nxt
Nem has at least 1500 unique accounts and a strong community right from start. That's what success means. Sock puppet accounts have never been an issue to me. Nxt IPO was fair in its own way and nem did not intend to be "fairer" than nxt. You can stop speculating on what nem trying to do because beating some other crypto in any aspect isn't one of them.
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I have a question. Who is mining and protecting this coin network when it is 50% premined ? I am not a miner but I think I understand a miner's mindset very well.
It does take a day for this question pop up in my mind.
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whats this about people joining after the ipo has ended? does that mean these new guys get some even though its closed???
Yes my plan is to ask more people to join in after public auditing and refunding sockpuppet accounts. There will be higher qualifications this round and I am still targeting around 3000 stakeholders. Also anonymity won't be allowed to avoid sockpuppet accounts. BTW: I have an advertisement in Bitcoin subreddit on 2/28 for the whole day and I plan to get some media coverages to get more people interested in NEM. At this point, my goal is to have people who can bring substantial benefits to NEM on board such as businesses, developers, master promoters or community leaders etc. We have only ONE CHANCE to get the stakeholder list right. So I would like to ask everyone to look around for people who you think can bring benefit to NEM. And if you find these people, talk to them to join NEM as if they will be your business partner. It won't be easy to persuade talented people to join us though so please give it your best. The fee to join in would a flat 800NXT or 0.08btc until we officially close the stakeholder list. So no family or friends, but people who can without a doubt benefit NEM. I'm going to try to write letter to people with huge YouTube following. It will be extremely hard to write a convincing letter, but I'll try. I guess I can copy and paste my thought out points to a friend on Facebook. I saw that someone with a Bitcoin twitter account with over 2,000 followers is a stake holder, so people like him. I guess no chance for my friend who lives in Italy since he didn't take my Nem pitch seriously. Right, this round I think we need people who are inside the crypto circle which believe it or not much much bigger than this alternative board.
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whats this about people joining after the ipo has ended? does that mean these new guys get some even though its closed???
Yes my plan is to ask more people to join in after public auditing and refunding sockpuppet accounts. There will be higher qualifications this round and I am still targeting around 3000 stakeholders. Also anonymity won't be allowed to avoid sockpuppet accounts. BTW: I have an advertisement in Bitcoin subreddit on 2/28 for the whole day and I plan to get some media coverages to get more people interested in NEM. At this point, my goal is to have people who can bring substantial benefits to NEM on board such as businesses, developers, master promoters or community leaders etc. We have only ONE CHANCE to get the stakeholder list right. So I would like to ask everyone to look around for people who you think can bring benefit to NEM. And if you find these people, talk to them to join NEM as if they will be your business partner. It won't be easy to persuade talented people to join us though so please give it your best. The fee to join in would a flat 800NXT or 0.08btc until we officially close the stakeholder list.
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so utopianfuture told me to post here to tell Kooream about my stake complaint. I have no =Y in the google docs and I found some other users wanted to claim my transaction... I signed this bitcoin message. You can check. address: 1FM6XuGiNsQNmaSLQvYNjGUUGRuUC3DZAP message: "This is address is owned by 8969152758" signature: "IHtfSQkpakK/N10cUeyNDoUaELkZiqnmoky/qlFBE62pBkZQUv65bw1e4xZhH+eHrpYUTY+rrhI29O1DZH96JuY=" here is the screenshot ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FjDLDQKm.png&t=663&c=5NjNjSh_eKyHOw) Thanks! please help!! I see my name have =Y now but others fraudsters have =Y too... so my transaction is proved right? I don't know what I should do now. my name still being commented as "duplicated hash / possible fraudster" here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgHJzpkvTvCxdFFvQ0pLRmNsbWM5ekNxY3lmcHdWa1E#gid=0Many thanks for help I just want to make sure I have my stake. It should not be the case. You would have YES but for all others, the condition will change to blank. Thanks for letting me know.
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Perhaps, but that's not the point anyway, is it?
I don't see how it's "debutable fair" at all. Just another asset (relative more or less valuable) for capitalists, we all are here. I have to give you credit for being consistent. The concept of "fairness" belongs to a moralistic category which for some philosophers mean absolutely nothing. Debates on the the concept of "equality" is equally controversial and problematic. The liberal philosophy understanding of "equality" in the phrase "liberty, equality and fraternity" has a limited meaning that everyone should have an equal rights before law. I has steered NEM fundraising away from any claims of being "fairest" or "most equal". The main goal of NEM fundraising is to build a community and secondary goal is to have a decent amount of development fund. I achieved that by spreading NEM as widely and equally as possible (but not perfectly equal). We will also focus on the principles of egalitarianism and charity but will also consider other practical considerations. Any competition toward being "fairest" or "most equal" without building community and considering other practical issues is pointless, imho.
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I am curious to read the whitepaper.
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Is PoI the only thing that differentiates NEM from Nxt besides the method of initial distribution? I could be wrong but I think Nxt has planned the other features mentioned above. Did Myspace also plan to do everything Facebook does ? Hmmm. Maybe you got that backwards? Are you saying NEM only differentiates itself in the above-mentioned ways now but there may be other methods of differentiation in the future? I mean a plan may be very different from reality. There could be many colored coin/ asset exchange implementations and it is still to be seen what kind of implementation works best. NEM is different from NXT as much as NXT is different from Counter Party Protocol or Mastercoin and as much as Whatsapp is different from Viber or Facebook is different from Myspace.
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2Kool4Skewl
Are you interested to be part of NEM or not?
If no; Good luck with NXT.
If yes; UP will add you to the list and we create some innovative stuff together. Remember that NEM is still being built. So anything is possible.
Let us know your answer.
Guys. Don't talk to him unless he answers my question. Easy for us and a very easy question for him. Did I ever say that I didn't want my stake? Why are stakeholders threatened with removal if they voice their opinion? This is the situation now. No need to talk about the past. Face the situation and answer my question. LOL What a bunch of crap. I don't have to answer your question. My stake should never have been taken away. So, I guess if you have any questions or objections to what the Nem community is doing, you have to undergo interrogation or risk losing your stake. There are two points everyone should understand. 1. The development team did not sell NEM stakes or actively looked for passive investors during the fundraising; This is the purpose of the fundraising "We are looking for active participants that can help NEM in particular and the decentralized network culture in general" . There were fee /promotional condition to participate in NEM and when we have an unified group of stakeholders we will divide all NEM (minus development shares) equally to all stakeholders. In essence, the goal of the fundraising process is to build the community and funding that can help to move the NEM platform forward. 2. This is the disclaimer applying for the fundraising "While we are committed to the idea of "Fair Distribution - Equal Shares for ALL "; the fund raising terms are subject to changes upon the discretion of the development team." These are taken "words by words" from the fundraising page. If you misunderstood these terms by the time of registration or now disagree with them, you are now free to leave and I will refund what you contributed in. There are a plenty of associations out there and you are free to leave this one and join what you like, and yes based on the disclaimer the development team has the power to not accept a certain account in our stakeholder list.
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I have been waiting for the thread 1 list to be updated for days, but since nothing happened, I'll post here. N° 1085 on stakeholder list : SlyWax Thread 1 post : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=422129.msg4787819#msg4787819transaction ID : b67870e1cc41db2b1539de9fdce6e89365534c4ac0bb5a6ceaac1fc399b2a42c Please put an Y on front of my name. Thanks. Any update on this one ? Solved. will need to check for duplicate hash though because your hash was edited in on a later date.
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update 2/19 : an unified stake holder list would be made on 2/22 which is three days from today. You need to file a complaint in the stake complaint thread by that day if you think you are a stakeholder but you are not on the list or on the list without Y.
Will the stakeholder list be posted here or your website? What does the "without Y" mean? The stakeholder list in a google sheet listed in the front page of this thread. Bookmark the front page as the updates will be there as well. Condition Y = okie; blank = not qualified. As described in the fundrasing process, registration in each page has to send in the fee or satisfy a NEM promotion condition. Accounts without condition =Y did not satify these above mentioned conditions and therefore not qualified.
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HERE YOU GO Is PoI the only thing that differentiates NEM from Nxt besides the method of initial distribution? I could be wrong but I think Nxt has planned the other features mentioned above. Did Myspace also plan to do everything Facebook does ?
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I have some technical issues with the host site. Should be resolved today.
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I hope we start seeing some positive posts more often than logos/stakeholder complaints and naivete from adults going "this coin sucks/is not innovative/scam". Even the ones who have invested are not really throwing their life's savings here. I fully support the audits but hopefully it goes on behind closed doors without having to wash dirty laundry in public. I believe there is already a separate thread for grievances. My day job is midrange infrastructure and product management. Would love to help with the infrastructure side of things whenever possible. I hope we start a lot more activity in the github as well. Last time I had checked, there were just decompiled nxt binaries ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) I guess that is a part about being transparent about the whole process. I don't see it as washing dirty laundry because there is nothing bad to hide and it does not violate anyone privacy at all. On the other hand, the more effort people spend on the public auditing, the better nem reputation will be. We do it once but do it thoroughly. I do have a request that all investigations should go to another thread or communicate with each other via pm. There will be a new thread opened specifically for public auditing scheduled in 3 days.
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I'm certainly glad that I didn't invest any NXT or BTC for my Nem stake seeing that UtopianFuture and the community is so willing to remove a stakeholder from the genesis block. All I said was that I didn't think the current feature set was innovative and I didn't think collecting for a dev fund was ethical seeing that Nem has no feasible innovation imo.
What does this say about your community? Isn't "UtopianFuture" a misnomer now?
Everyone might want to think good and hard about what has just happened here.
At least for me, I don't want to see any nxt-community members being removed from NEM stakeholder lists. In fact, I'd like to see more nxters joining NEM. IMO, 2Kool4Skewl should in the list, since he didn't make a statement to quit. it's not fair to be taken out just because he said something negative about NEM. he has a chance to quit later on if he really want to. It is not about nxt community. It is about NEM community. If someone is not interested in being part of the NEM community, he can leave and I will refund what he contributed in the fundraising process. I have emphasized several times, the fundraising is a call for participants in building NEM/ Nemcoin network. If someone is not interested in that, he obviously misunderstood the process and should leave.
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I took it down for 1 day to add some changes. It will be up soon.
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@Utopian Can we expect any updates soon? Not pushing at all, just wondering. Bookmark the front page of this thread, I will put links to all important updates in the update section. Read the plan ahead post, there will be an important update after the public auditing is over.
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I temporarily took 2Kool4Skewl from NEM stakeholder list as I understand that he does not want to be there. In the first 20 pages of the fundraising, many people do not entirely understand about the scope as well as purpose of NEM so it was easy just to post "interested" there by a mistake. Contrary to what used to be in the first page of the fundraising thread , NEM do offer refund after the announcement of detail development plan (probably in 2 weeks or so) so if someone does not feel they fit in with NEM community, they can leave voluntarily.
As written in ournem.com, at this stage NEM is first of all a community of which people share a certain ideas and goals and we going to build NEM/ Nemcoin as our decentralized payment platform together as we go along. I see no reason to keep people that are unhappy with NEM and this approach. There are no coins to share yet so it is not like we are taking anything from anyone. If 2Kool4Skewl wants to join back in, just say so before I make the unified stakeholder list and I will add him in.
The majority of NEM funding comes from Bitcoin and only about 30% of NEM stakeholders appear in NXT discussion before (see an excellent statistics by newcn) so I see NXT and NEM having quite a different demographics, also different technology and purposes. While I think there is a certain aspect of competition between the two blockchain, we can learn from each others as well. Some are developers of both NXT and NEM and they work across the aisle and I think that is a good thing. It will help advancing experiments and innovations in more directions. Compared to Bitcoin and other POW coins, NXT and NEM have more similarity and we can join force to emphasize our strength in a green economical network and highlight the problems with the computational arm-races used by Bitcoin and other POW coins. Let's focus on cooperation and innovation instead of envy and hatred as that are also NEM's core concepts and principles.
BTW, we appreciate active participants much more than passive ones/ investors. So contact me if you want to help in any way. Thanks.
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update 2/19 : an unified stake holder list would be made on 2/22 which is three days from today. You need to file a complaint in the stake complaint thread by that day if you think you are a stakeholder but you are not on the list or on the list without Y. From now on, I will put all important updates in the front page of this thread (in the update section) so please at least bookmark that page to catch up with important information.
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