He is just jealous because he has to live in a frozen wasteland.

"direct control" = centralization
collectivization = centralization
You know what the difference between collectivization run by "government" and by the "proletariat" is? Nothing, they are both run by individual humans with all the same flaws. You gave the definition of socialism, and there is no difference between what you are describing and past failures. "Direct control" is imaginary and a marketing point, not a possible reality, that is until we all get uploaded into the matrix and can use our brains to collectively administer our world. Until that time any collectivization is equivalent to centralization under the government. Yes, a cult member, because cult members are notorious for being against collectives aren't they?

Like I said, fantasies and imagination. You aren't actually addressing any of these flaws just imagining a future where they are magically solved.

I see, so some one else said it first, therefore you didn't say it. You keep speaking as if collective control by the "proletariat" is achievable and will not be subject to all of the exact same flaws that collectivism under the government is subject to. This is what I mean by socialists having constantly shifting definitions. You just imagine a world where all your imaginary dreams work perfectly, then rename it something other than what exists in reality, then boom, "real socialism" is something other than the horrible genocidal failure it always is.

At this point your socks just confirm what everyone is already thinking, this accusation is horse shit. As Phillipma1957 already explained, we have no idea what happened to the funds or why. This is why we need to end this atmosphere of guilty until proven innocent and digging into everyone's business just because some bored assholes have fantasies, suspicions, or vendettas or else privacy will be a thing of the past here.

But is wasn't proof of anything as Philipma1957 and Eddie13 so eloquently put it:


Of course you are the great and powerful Nutulduhhhh and you get to declare anyone who challenges your baseless conclusions as "dishonest" and "less than honorable", and your baseless conclusions as facts, then justify the use of the trust system in retribution for challenging this conclusion.

This is at the core of the issue, as those who do not, realize their ability to freely impugn the reputation of anyone who crosses them is threatened by such a standard.

Some more detail on the legal standards...

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/defamation-libel-slander-key-elements-claim.html

Oh you aren't involved? Interesting, I suppose the fact that you left this rating for me today for something that happened months ago as I have become active drawing attention to the lack of evidence to support the accusations against OGNasty is just a coincidence is it? Is that just like the coincidence that your referenced link of accusations against me claiming to know my state of mind and motivations just so happened to be made right after I helped resolve a dispute with the members of the Turkish community and regained my place on the default trust list? It seems odd so many coincidences are being stacked atop of one another and being used to justify each other.

It is almost like a pattern of abusive behavior is being established in the form of baseless accusations, much like in the case of the accusations against OGNasty. I suppose it is just another coincidence that all the same people making accusations there are making accusations against OGNasty, and once again here against myself. You certainly are above abusing the trust system to protect the positions of your pals on the default trust now aren't you? Oh wait, I forgot you were blacklisted from the default trust list, but I am the real abuser right?


You are dead last on the list of people who should be making accusations of trust system abuse. I would ask you to clarify exactly what I did that was abusive but you will just make an accusation and then fail to substantiate it as you always do as you use it as an opportunity to topic slide.


Again, would love to see some substantiation of this claim of retaliatory negative ratings but we both know they don't exist. Your retaliatory ratings however come by the dozen.


Oh I am not at all worried. I am just establishing this pattern of behavior in public so that every time they lose control and lash out like this they take a hit to their own reputations.


And you get to decide what an "honest" defense is do you? What could go wrong negative rating people for submitting a defense you don't approve of? That certainly wouldn't create a chilling effect on people trying to defend themselves and others from baseless accusations now would it? After all, you get to decide who is guilty, and who gets to have a defense, and if people oppose your conclusions, well then they are guilty too! Of course the rating left supposedly has nothing to do with the OGNasty accusation thread according to the references, but you like to have your cake and eat it too as you claim it is for a deceptive defense but then on the other hand not retribution for exposing the lack of basis for such an accusation in that thread.

Apparent rationale, according to who, you and your all encompassing psychic skills? As covered above your accusations were little more than yet another act of retribution for defending targets of trust system abuse, and a transparent attempt to make sure I was removed from the default trust. You don't have any basis for these accusations, just lots of speculation, just like all these other accusations I am refuting. I am standing in the way of your ability to impugn the character of people here without basis, and for that I have become an object of obsession with these abusers. You don't want a system that requires proof for accusations, because that makes it much harder for you to simply invent a story that sounds believable but in reality has no basis in fact in order to target those you are perusing vendettas against. All I am doing is demanding proof to back up accusations, if you perceive that as an attack, then you are the one with the problem, not me.

No, your definition.


Tell me some more about how you aren't incoherent when you can't even remember what you said yesterday. As I explained any organization given this control will defacto have the power of the state and is just as easily abused no matter if you call it an NGO or the government. The very act of collectivization creates the potential for dictatorial control of those resources. This isn't a logical fallacy it is a fact. Perhaps if only we collectivized all the Bitcoin miners into a NGO, the Bitcoin network would be more safe right? After all it is "for the people", so what can go wrong? "The people" don't make decisions, individuals do. You can call a big steaming pile of shit a top hat, but if you try to wear it all you are gonna do is smell like dookie.

Thanks for the endorsement and passing along the message! These are indeed some rounds that any NORFED collector would be proud to own and are rarely available for sale. Thanks again for the vote of confidence!

This is true, but from what I understand, you also need to establish intent, which is a quite difficult standard that often could require significant surveillance to be accomplished, unless you get lucky and find some one who is very incompetent as well as corrupt.

Back then I was very opposed to Bush policies. The media, as it always does supports the establishment, be it government or corporate, because they know who butters their bread. They both serve shit sandwiches, but one has some red food coloring in it and one has some blue food coloring in it. Back then "liberal" meant leave people who aren't bothering anyone else alone, and being liberal was anti-establishment. Now being "liberal" means not leaving people alone until they comply with the establishment. There is nothing liberal about the modern left just like there wasn't anything conservative about the Bush era right.

This is part of the media's role in electing Trump. Everyone sees the media down on their knees slurping down establishment dick be it red or blue, and they attack no one more than Donald Trump. Their consistent targeting of him essentially is the seal of approval by the people as he is rejected by the establishment. He was elected as a rejection of all things establishment on both sides of the isle, and that is why he is going to win again in 2020.

While I don't disagree with your assessment, at the end of the day police shouldn't have any more or less rights than anyone else in regards to use of lethal force in self defense, but we both know in reality that is not the case. Just imagine any of these scenarios taking place without a badge and you are talking life in prison. The lack of accountability in these circumstances not only removes incentives for moderated response by law enforcement, but erodes the trust and respect for law enforcement from the community in general. I know police are dealing with life or death situations all the time, but that is also kind of the point. They also put way too many people at the end of the barrel of a gun, regularly in situations where that escalation of force wasn't necessary. It being a stressful and dangerous job isn't going to change because of lowered levels of accountability. All this will do is result in more incidents, and more hostility from the civilian population, and long term pricey lawsuits which then have to be footed by the tax payer.

Socialism = collectivization of production (your definition)

Collectivization of resources inherently requires the state to manage the collective resources. Any non-state centralization of production defacto becomes the state the moment it is created. Being managed by men, they inherently abuse this structure to create totalitarian dictatorships, as history has shown over and over and over again. There is no logical reason to support socialism, but there are plenty of emotional reasons.

People keep throwing words around like "proof". Repeating the word proof over and over again doesn't make it proof. What you have is some ambiguous statements and some transactions to addresses owned by recipients you can not identify. No, this isn't a court room, because if it was this discussion would have been over with once it was established no one can identify the owners of the final unexplained transaction. That's all it is, is an unexplained transaction, but you and the rest of The Hardly Boys created this speculative novel around the events like you always do any time you can use circumstances to cast aspersions upon anyone who resists your attempts at targeting and intimidation.

Yes, I am sure the trust rating from Lauda regarding a months old event was just left today totally coincidentally, and not because I am making it harder for their buddies to continue their long term attempt at the character assassination of OGnasty and anyone else who doesn't bow to their abuse of systems designed to prevent fraud. Actually it has paid dividends. If my efforts weren't effective you and The Hardly Boys wouldn't need to target me. Good luck following your raging clues.

I don't have to make you look like anything. Socialists are inherently incoherent. Socialism is based in pathos, not logos.