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2781  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Events that changed the world... on: June 12, 2014, 03:00:10 PM
well, maybe human intelligence is far ahead of watson, but it's predicted that watson or computers will catch up to humans fairly soon (within the next 2 decades). i do believe in the technological singularity too... the point where we just set it to cruise control and computers do all the innovation for us.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/science/By-2029-computers-will-match-human-intelligence-Ray-Kurzweil/articleshow/21793726.cms

Personally, I really hope it's both possible with current/not-far-off technology and going to happen within that time frame; but you have to understand that people have been saying that computers are on the verge of becoming as intelligent as humans since the 60's. Cheesy

As for the singularity and letting computers do everything for us, be careful with what you wish for. I think Ray Kurzweil's view is too anthropocentric; an artificial intelligence doesn't necessarily have to solve a problem the same way a human would, any more than an alien would have to. You can try to inculcate human values/ways/emotions into it, but in the end there might not be a way to ensure that an AI shares those values. And it doesn't even have to be hostile, as often depicted in movies, to potentially pose a problem: for example http://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Paperclip_maximizer. Of course there is always the route of humans further enhancing themselves as Ray Kurzweil mentions (which reminds me of Ghost in the Shell Smiley), but that doesn't really avoid the issue; if it is possible, someone will do it sooner or later, and it might go wrong. Still, I hope someone does it. Grin
2782  Economy / Services / Re: WE PAY FOR SIGNATURE EVEN MORE. UP TO 0.0016 BTCs PER POST. WEEKLY PAYOUTS. on: June 12, 2014, 02:11:58 PM
Time for Updown to make his weekly visit to quell all the pitchfork holders.   Wink

Seems like the ones rioting in the streets the loudest aren't even in this campaign.

Haters gonna hate.

That's probably because they got tired of waiting for UpDown to show up and left the campaign first, before going on to "riot in the streets". Tongue
2783  Economy / Services / Re: [PrimeDice] [Highest Paid Signature] Earn up to 2.4 BTC/Month by Posting on: June 12, 2014, 01:54:29 PM
Hi. I would like to join this campaign. Signature updated.

Starting Posts   : 260
Bitcoin Address : 1Na267NqjamXAxyYE4g5wMKqLwmmtaMoi2

EDIT - I just changed my BTC wallet address to my Coinbase wallet instead.
I reccommend you delete this post and make a new one. Stunna doesn't accept edited sign up posts and simply won't pay you.

I've seen other people edit their enrollment posts, not too long ago, and upon checking the OP, I think that part was deleted and replaced with:

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We will automatically save this information at time of posting and check that you kept the signature. Any attempt to cheat the system will result in negative feedback being applied to your account.

Perhaps this is in preparation for a automated payment system that checks this information immediately upon enrollment, but I guess until we know for sure it might be safer to avoid editing it.
2784  Other / Off-topic / Re: Turing Test Pass Claimed at Royal Society Event on: June 12, 2014, 01:43:28 PM
The Turing Test should be performed with judges experienced in computer science, artificial intelligence etc, not any random people

That would defeat the point of the test, though the test itself is only somewhat relevant to the whole concept of AI (and badly needs updating).


If a computer is mistaken for a human more than 30% of the time during a series of five minute keyboard conversations it passes the test. No computer has ever achieved this, until now. Eugene managed to convince 33% of the human judges that it was human.

That's not true; this wasn't the first time a computer program was able to fool at least 30% of the people it talked with. For reference: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25692-no-skynet-turing-test-success-isnt-all-it-seems.html?full=true

A couple of quotes from the newscientist article:
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But as early as 1991, a bot called PC Therapist created by Joseph Weintraub took part in a Turing test and fooled 5 out of 10 judges into thinking it was human – a pass rate of 50 per cent. Meanwhile, much more recently, in 2011, Rollo Carpenter's Cleverbot chatted with 30 humans in front of a live audience of over 1000 and fooled 59.3 per cent of the judges and audience into thinking it was human.

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"The purpose of this June's Royal Society experiment is not to find if a machine can now pass one interpretation of Turing test success, 30 per cent, especially as a machine surpassed this with a deception rate of 50 per cent back in 1991 and machines do not have anywhere near the conversational skills of HAL from 2001: A Space Odyssey."

Rather, the organisers wanted to "encourage/inspire children to take up computing and robotics, is also about awareness and prevention of cybercrime".
2785  Other / Off-topic / Re: How, in the end, do you think the world will end? on: June 12, 2014, 06:27:43 AM
One of the most dangerous threats to the human population is a simple virus that is, a deadly disease that spreads rapidly throughout the world.
Within the last century we’ve had four major flu epidemics, as well as HIV and SARS, and scientists says it’s inevitable that another will occur.
The 1918 influenza outbreak killed more people than World War I, and if a deadly contagion surfaced today, it could spread even faster and infect even more people.
Considering how quickly diseases spread though all forms of modern transportation and the amount of international travel that takes place today, an outbreak similar to that of 1918 could have a more devastating impact.
 
And if nature doesn’t send such a deadly contagion our way, mankind just might.
Biological warfare is another threat that looms over the modern world, and diseases like anthrax, Ebola and cholera have all been weaponized.

Nah, Madagascar would be fine, unless the epidemic starts there. Grin

(for those that don't know what I'm talking about, search for an old flash game called Pandemic/Pandemic II)

2786  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Events that changed the world... on: June 11, 2014, 04:57:08 PM
The day I am born and the day I vanish into nothingness.

As everything that exists before me and after me serve no purpose.

Solipsism at its best.  Grin
2787  Other / Off-topic / Re: Post your Total time logged into Bitcointalk on: June 11, 2014, 02:11:49 PM
The forum stat can be obtained in the page https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=stats
And theymos is in the 9th spot of "Most Time Online". Cheesy

Ah yes, that's it. And damn, I was way far from the mark; the most time logged in belongs to this user: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=27071;sa=statPanel. He's currently at 869 days, 5 hours and 44 minutes; but looking at how much he posts (or rather, doesn't post), it has got to be bots.  Smiley
2788  Other / Off-topic / Re: Post your Total time logged into Bitcointalk on: June 11, 2014, 01:15:25 PM
Total time logged in: 70 days, 1 minutes. Smiley

Who can do better than this, it's a record! I've never noticed anyone with such high time logged.
More than two months, and the activity is quite small compared to it.

Several users can do better than that. In fact, I recall someone posting a link that showed forum and member statistics, one of which was time logged in (I don't remember what the link was unfortunately); the highest ranked member was at 700 and some days, far more than even theymos (233 days). Whether or not he did it with bots, I don't know (though I kind of hope so, for his sake Grin).
2789  Other / Off-topic / Re: Apollo 11 fake or real? on: June 11, 2014, 11:21:35 AM
The moon doesn't have an atmosphere, so you'd be able to see the stars just fine, even with the sun overhead. But of course, as others pointed out, you can't see them in the pics due to the limitations of the cameras.
It's got nothing to do with the cameras, your eyes have the same limitation. The Earth's atmosphere does not block light from the stars. Why do you think you can see them at night (if you live sufficiently far from a city)?

Yes, I've occasionally ventured out and looked up to see those mysterious shiny things beyond the street lamps. Tongue

I didn't mean to say that having an atmosphere (like Earth's) automatically prevented you from seeing the stars (in that respect, the effect is negligible to what we were discussing); I should have been more clear in how I phrased it, but you aren't doing me any favors by omitting and apparently ignoring the post I was answering to and which I quoted in my reply.
2790  Other / Off-topic / Re: Favourite cartoon show on: June 11, 2014, 10:01:49 AM
If we're just talking about western animation here, maybe Family Guy, mostly during the initial seasons while Stewie was actively evil.

If this is about cartoons regardless of the origin, then Neon Genesis Evangelion, without a doubt.
2791  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Events that changed the world... on: June 11, 2014, 08:49:35 AM
they will likely be.. especially with technological singularity possibly being around the corner. that watson AI is now at least very close to matching human intelligence.

also, google has now made safe self-driving cars.. AI/robots are gaining some steam in the development department. btw, do you know how many taxi cab driver jobs would be eliminated if google drive offered a taxi service?

anyways, i'm not even talking about self-consciousness (in response to the for real part). i'm just talking about having AI actually connect 2 ideas together, and be able to perform tasks that humans could.

Watson is nowhere near reaching human intelligence; current AI methods are very far from that. So much so in fact, that only fairly recently has the search for a strong AI (real, human level AI) resumed after the initial hype. For the last few decades the field has mostly shifted to machine learning; that is, searching for solutions for the "simpler" problems like computer vision and so on. Now, it's true that a computer can currently store and organize a lot of information into categories and derive some meaningful information from it; but that is still very far from what a human can do.

As for the second part I emphasized, a lot of human tasks require far more than this. But you're right, a lot of jobs would be rendered obsolete if we decided to automate what we could tomorrow, even without a strong AI.


not to sound like a luddite, but it seems like we're starting to see a shift in the service industry, which is america's biggest labor pool. once things like that get automated, where will the jobs go? especially in the low skilled industries.

prior to that, jobs in factories and skilled labor were overtaken by improved technology. technology is not the same thing as AI. there's a difference in creating a car are much more cost-effective rates vs. firing all of your mcdonalds employees.

This is from my limited understanding of the situation:

Three decades ago, most of the American population was employed in jobs which required a lot of manual labor, such as coal mining and construction. But with the advancement of technology, the scope for such jobs have declined. Now most of the the population is employed in supermarkets (the biggest single provider of jobs in the US, if I am correct) and other service sector jobs. Requires less manual labor, is safer, and at the same time the average salaries are much higher.

You're right, most jobs nowadays are in the service sector, and depending on what metrics you use, they do provide better working conditions. But I believe you're wrong in assuming automation won't be disruptive to most people's livelihood.

I mean, let's take your example of the supermarket: I don't know where you live, but near me I have several supermarkets that have a few "self-service" check out counters; there is no reason why this can't eliminate everyone working at that station. Information areas? A couple of computers can do the trick for most things, and they can contact someone as a last resort (and probably remotely). A lot of the shelves can be redesigned to be filled in automatically; I believe I saw an article with an example some months ago (actually it might have been in a restaurant, I'm not sure). Supplying the goods to the supermarket itself could potentially be done with self-driving vehicles, with only a few people at the supermarket to offload stuff. What did I miss? Cleaning duties? Grin I'd say close to half of the workers could be laid off in a very short amount of time if we really pressed this.

Now, considering the amount of people that are currently employed in the service sector, and considering that many of the jobs could be automated tomorrow, how do you expect to easily retrain large amounts of people into new jobs? And even then, what do you expect them to do? Post in a forum for a living? Humans can adapt only so quickly. And not everyone is going to be able to start a new company; in fact, most of the jobs that could be easily replaced don't pay a lot to begin with, so we're talking about people that probably already live day to day with less than comfortable disposable income.
2792  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Events that changed the world... on: June 11, 2014, 06:25:15 AM
[...]

Even Nuclear weapons can be a good thing. They have probably prevented wars from breaking out between countries that have nuclear weapons. The cold war is a good example of this. The US and the former USSR were in an arms race for years and used spies against each-other but never actually attacked each-other with military forces.

They never attacked each other en-mass, that's true; but there were a number of small scale conflicts that we were lucky didn't escalate. And I use the word "lucky" in this context intentionally; the Cuban missile crisis is a good example of why, though there are several others.

EDIT:

not to sound like a luddite, but it seems like we're starting to see a shift in the service industry, which is america's biggest labor pool. once things like that get automated, where will the jobs go? especially in the low skilled industries.

prior to that, jobs in factories and skilled labor were overtaken by improved technology. technology is not the same thing as AI. there's a difference in creating a car are much more cost-effective rates vs. firing all of your mcdonalds employees.

Hmm, to professional youtube/facebook like giver, professional forum poster, etc..  Grin
2793  Economy / Services / Re: Selling my sig on: June 11, 2014, 03:24:21 AM
anyone interested in buying my sig for 6 mos?

Considering you're a Newbie, and will continue to be one for 2 more weeks, that's not very likely to happen. However, you can take a look at this thread, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=615953.0, for information on the current sig campaigns, and then try joining either "Bitcoin Scratchticket" or "BTCX2".
2794  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Events that changed the world... on: June 11, 2014, 02:45:43 AM
21st century.. AI, robots.. and how it affects the human economy. more and more, we're going to see our jobs taken over by robots. that's going to lead to a decrease in jobs, which means a wider gap between the people who own and operate the robots and the people who don't. inequality is inevitable.

It's only inevitable if we continue to rely on the current system; which itself is not the only option.

I'd personally recommend something more radical, but simple solutions to mitigate the increase in inequality might be possible for now, though they are only short term solutions at best: reduce working hours to account for the lack of jobs; pace automation in a way that allows humans to gradually adapt; test and implement universal income (like mincome); etc.
2795  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Beware of LocalBitcoins.com on: June 11, 2014, 02:28:21 AM
[...]

BitBits:  You go on to repeat the stupid "got arrested for selling Bitcoins" lie.  The cops do not give one crap about people selling or buying BTC (the IRS is another matter).

What happened there is that the undercover cop repeatedly told the BTC sellers that they were going to use the BTC for illegal purposes.  That is what they got arrested for - not selling BTC.

[...]

Hmm, I hadn't heard of this story yet; still, it strikes me as being weird that he got arrested for ignoring something that could very well be a lie, or someone's idea of a joke. I mean, if it was a situation in which there was a clear and obvious illegal operation going on, and he willingly helped (by selling the btc in this case), then I could understand his arrest; but that wasn't the case, right? Did this hold in court (or is it expected to, if the case still hasn't been to court)?
2796  Economy / Services / Re: WE PAY FOR SIGNATURE EVEN MORE. UP TO 0.0016 BTCs PER POST. WEEKLY PAYOUTS. on: June 11, 2014, 01:41:56 AM
Just post naturally; if you find a subject that interests you, don't limit yourself to 3 posts and call it a day. Grin On the other hand, if there is nothing going on that you feel like participating in, don't force yourself to; that would in a sense be spam.

This might lead you to a large variation in the number of posts on a day to day basis, but you'll definitely have more fun this way. Tongue
I can hardly imagine a scenario without atleast 3 threads that's interesting enough to find a way to contribute! Cheesy

Depends on your tastes I guess, but considering the Off-Topic section, that's probably true for everyone. Smiley Plus, you can always create a thread yourself if there is something in particular you would like to talk about.
2797  Other / Off-topic / Re: Answer the question above with a question. on: June 11, 2014, 12:59:06 AM
I suppose that would depend on the definition of virtue which is very subjective, is it not?
What is the definition?

I take it that you have never heard of the Wiktionary project?
2798  Economy / Services / Re: WE PAY FOR SIGNATURE EVEN MORE. UP TO 0.0016 BTCs PER POST. WEEKLY PAYOUTS. on: June 11, 2014, 12:57:16 AM
I mean 51. Sorry Couldn't find my self at first.. but yes I never gotten a your in kind of reply
Yeah many didn't. But as long as you're on the list you should be fine! Smiley

Great! I do see my self on the list. I'm going to start writing, hopefully 3 times a day. 
Good goal, 3 seems good if you want to avoid spamming for sure. Cheesy

Just post naturally; if you find a subject that interests you, don't limit yourself to 3 posts and call it a day. Grin On the other hand, if there is nothing going on that you feel like participating in, don't force yourself to; that would in a sense be spam.

This might lead you to a large variation in the number of posts on a day to day basis, but you'll definitely have more fun this way. Tongue
2799  Other / Off-topic / Re: What Browser You Use on: June 11, 2014, 12:50:54 AM
Firefox for few years already, but can anyone recommend good addons to make it eat less memory?
As far as I know Addons make it slower as they consume extra Memory..! But there are few addons that can improve the speed these addons may include  
Adblock Plus lets you block ads on websites.
NoScript To avoid Unnecessary Scripts
These two will help you in getting rid ads and scripts and make the webpage load faster.
Make sure you are not using any Themes , unwanted Plugins and Stay Updated to latest version.

I agree, but I would also add: making sure that the flash plugin is set to "ask to activate" (and probably most/all other plugins as well). This means that flash isn't automatically loaded and starts running on its own; you have to confirm that you want that behavior for the page you're in (which is basically just clicking a button).
2800  Other / Off-topic / Re: Which anime do you like to watch? on: June 11, 2014, 12:35:59 AM
None lol, I personally hate anime. You have to have a certain taste of television to watch it.

How so? The themes are pretty diverse, from comedies to psychological horror shows, passing through everything in-between. The only thing anime has as a distinct feature from any other type of animation is the fact that it's made in Japan.

If you like to see any series/movies at all, I'm sure there are a couple anime/OVA that you would like. Tongue
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