Martin Armstrong Discussion

[Wekkel]

If R0ach is right and Gold will do 10x in 8 years, crypto will do 10x... each of those 8 years. Bring It On!

[bitstampcustomer]

Nice derail you guys got going on here, but who knows someone can help out with the following (might be useful for other lurkers too):
I've got the feeling that reading Armstrong's articles/theories is valuable for an investor, however I feel a bit underqualified to understand all,
and therefore I'm reluctant to start shelling out for paid material.
Could anyone suggest what would be some good study material/starting points to ease into understanding the economic and maybe mathematical underpinnings of
his theories? My background is Computer Science, my understanding of economics is pretty basic.

Everything you need is available on his website. Start with 'Its Just Time'
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/its-just-time-martin-armstrong.pdf

PS: It looks shitty because he wrote that while he was in prison.

And I wouldn't say this is entirely a 'derail'. Read thread start to finish. Some fascinating discussion in here. But you need to read a lot of Armstrong's writings to follow the myriad digressions.

[realr0ach]

r0ach jew theory confirmed:

For all the shills and cucks who claim "it's not the jews", straight from the horse's mouth:

"It is a war between the Jews and the non-Jews," said former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger about the White House.

http://forward.com/fast-forward/391297/white-house-is-a-war-between-jews-and-non-jews-new-book-on-trump/

[realr0ach]

[realr0ach]

How long until the general populace figures this out?

but for example, in roach's eyes, even bitcoin is a scam, sooo....

It doesn't take a genius to know the whitepaper didn't even make sense when he's making claims like "one cpu one vote" when that was never the case even from day one when Satoshi himself was mining with an entire computer lab. There's only two real ways to look at bitcoin, either as a failed experiment that claims to be decentralized but is designed to centralize, or as a trojan horse to get everyone into a cashless society tracking grid.  

Now you have these guys like Adam Back and Coblee making nonsensical comments claiming that bitcoin is proof of stake and mining doesn't even matter.  The quotes just highlight the fact bitcoin is a failed experiment but they're obssesed with preventing it from dying as it should so we can all go back to actual decentralized money like physical silver, gold, and even copper.  Since all of this garbage is designed to centralize, the only thing that will survive in this sector is federated chains (or chains that are federated where people lie and claim they aren't until the lies stop working).  

Working on and hyping federated chains is just working to help govt and bankers enslave humanity.

[realr0ach]

Put your money on the table nigglets:

I bought a gambler's share of that between 23% and 38% retracement bcash as I do not believe bitcoin fees enable it to have any type of rally exceeding last ATH.  It was an amount of money that I don't care if I lose, though.

[InspireTTK]

Everything you need is available on his website. Start with 'Its Just Time'
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/its-just-time-martin-armstrong.pdf

Thanks for that link! Awesome material. Do you have any more? I've only been following his blog, which is very refreshing.

[bitstampcustomer]

Try this:
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/writings/

[realr0ach]

Here's a story the mainstream media will obviously not talk about:

http://dailystormer.red/italy-somali-steals-nurses-outfit-and-gropes-woman-giving-birth-while-jerking-off/

[OROBTC]

Try this:
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/writings/

As well as his blog, which publishes some three articles per day.  Whether you like him (or believe him) or not, he discusses many issues that others will not.  An example:

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/sovereign-debt-crisis/the-municipal-debt-crisis-begins/

^^ Municipal debt is a problem in Germany, not just the USA.

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realr0ach

I got an airdrop of BCH which until recently was not supported by my wallets, but happily now is.  I have a friend who really likes BCH (Bitcoin Cash), he has told me not to sell it nor trade it for BTC.

And it is a hedge (or a diversification) of sorts, I now own a small amount of something other than Bitcoin.

Note that very recently gold has been sneaking up in price while BTC has been unstable...

[Wekkel]

For digital Goldbugs there is HelloGold

[CRED.me]

The civil war (and disintegration into red and blue regions) ahead for the USA:

Those people we despise, including Trump, can make at least as strong a claim to representing the real America as we can. Obama was wrong when he said that we are not two countries, one blue and one red. Because, in fact, we are. Our job is to make sure that our country prevails.

America itself is “racist” – that’s the Yiddish word for “white.”

Meaning none of these other people in our country are Americans.

And this begs the question:

Then what the hell are they doing here?

I believe Armstrong's models are correct that we're moving to a NWO where nation-states break up back to historical cultural regions some decade(s) after 2032^.95, and of course I believe Bitcoin was created by the Zionists as part of the creative destruction (of the nation-states) to have world central bank, reserve currency, and eventually governance model for these upcoming proliferation of micro-states. They knew they needed a great crisis in order to shift from a nation-state model to a world governance and not just disintegrate into a lack of global cooperation. So I think they're maximizing the crisis ahead by every means possible, which could also explain the desire to pump global debt to extremes and misdirect humanity away from preparing for a Maunder Minimum (global cooling) with the man-man global warming junk science propaganda, feminism, egalitarianism, socialism, etc.. Climatic effects will vary from colder, drier, wetter (and the concomitant sand storms, mudslides, and ice impacting the food supply and economic activity). Sixteen inches of snow in the Sahara desert for only the 3rd time in the past 37 years. See the wall sized murals at the Denver airport for a depiction of the tumultuous times ahead as we replace the nation-state and industrial age model (which replaced the monarchy and agricultural age model) with a NWO and knowledge age model. However, another POV is that it's just on auto-pilot and no group is pulling any significant strings. So for them I guess Satoshi was a brilliant independent, anonymous inventor who simply made mistakes in his design (yeah right  ).

Trump's booting the violent central americans from the USA. I toured southern Mexico and central America in 1993, then Colombia in 2001. More violent than the Philippines. I was noting today how much more violent and less society-wide cooperative the filipinos are as what I'm accustomed to in my childhood culture. Either you're in their tribe, or it's antagonistic (if they can get some money from you, that appeases them for that moment). The northern Europeans are extremely cooperative and this works well towards civilization coming together to accomplish goals, but then it also creates a morass of those who game the collective and extremist idealism, which has Nazi-like megadeath end games. Tribalism doesn't seem to accomplish as much but also the failure modes are a continuous violence instead of a rollercoaster of idealism into megadeath abyss. The highly obedient Chinese and their idealism is not a counter example and the idealistic megadeath repeats.

Oprah Winfrey's American "Stepford Wives" utopian nirvana is not one I would like to participate in much, given its past record of carnage. In her version, it's not the husbands who have brainwashed them all. The details are in the Dark Enlightenment thread. Contrast that with "Mad Dog" Mattis' sober, meaningful reality.

Btw, the linked article about the importance of the NFL in our culture reminds me that my hometown NFL team the New Orleans Saints are back in the SuperBowl hunt for probably the last time of Drew Brees' career (age 39). I remember at age 40, I could still play the game fairly competitively. Might have to wear my #87 Joe Horn jersey this coming Sunday versus the Vikings. At age 53, I still have an itch to play the sport actually. But I think perhaps I'm too slow now. We'll see if I'm able to clear these numerous liver and spleen cysts, what might still be possible athletically. Was surprised that while watching the game against the Panthers (which New Orleans won) that I still have that excitement for the game. I've been trying to workout as intensely as my gut health will allow me to daily, with no rest days. I'm a long way though from being super athletic. It's a long way back from Tuberculosis and cysts all over the spleen, liver, and one kidney.

What I can't decide easily is whether I want to abandon the USA entirely (give up my citizenship and forget living there again). I don't have much in the way of family ties. But American football (not that pussy sport soccer or that lack of aerial passing in rugby) isn't the same any where else in the world.

To all the immigrants in the USA who don't share my childhood culture in the USA, you can have the cities. I'm not against you. I think perhaps we just need to have our separate governance and cultures. USA though even in my childhood was not a homogeneous culture, even though there's distinct commonality and differences of the common culture of for example the Bible Belt. My Mom recently explained it well when she said while standing along the road in New Orleans, the black female bus driver pulled over the bus (even though my mom had not flagged down the bus) and said, "Girl you need to get on this bus darling". That just doesn't happen in the North or West.

I think I'd like the ability to continue to visit the USA, but I've read that if one renounces their USA citizenship, then the State department is likely to deny all requests for tourist visas if you're a citizen of a country that doesn't have visa-free access to the USA. Ah if you're wealthy enough, perhaps you just import those aspects of the USA you want where ever you are. After all, the great part of the USA were the friends and experiences. But last time I was there circa 2006, the people were much less friendly and more busy than I remembered in my childhood. And further West and North, the people can be paranoid and intentionally evasive. Who sits out on their porch any more and greets people as they stroll by? I had still found it in rural areas of the South around the turn of the century. I guess this is what happens when you get old and the youth have moved on to a new lifestyle. Any way, I can sort of go along with the new lifestyles and technologies. I'm somewhat adaptable.

Btw, I had some private discussions about Armstrong recently. And the gist of it, is that I think perhaps Armstrong is applying the scientific method of building cause & effect hypothesis via his stochastic and pattern modeling of events in time, but it's disconcerting that he doesn't open source nor publish any of his work in sufficient technological detail such that real peer review could be done.

So it's possible Armstrong is a con artist, although his extensive knowledge of history and the full body of evidence, causes me to take him somewhat seriously. Yet I also remain skeptical.

[InspireTTK]

Btw, I had some private discussions about Armstrong recently. And the gist of it, is that I think perhaps Armstrong is applying the scientific method of building cause & effect hypothesis via his stochastic and pattern modeling of events in time, but it's disconcerning that he doesn't open source nor publish any of his work in sufficient technological detail such that real peer review could be done.
So it's possible Armstrong is a con artist, although his extensive knowledge of history and the full body of evidence, causes me to take him somewhat seriously. Yet I also remain skeptical.

He is applying his Pi model on the timing of whatever he follows. I don't exactly know how it works, but everything has patterns, and it's related to Pi.

Why would he open source his work for? That's his livelihood. He makes money with his work. You can access his data at a monthly cost, he provides that as a service. How is he a con artist, and con artist for what?

You can be skeptical, but when you state it's possible he is a con artist, give links to verify your claims.

[CRED.me]

He is applying his Pi model on the timing of whatever he follows. I don't exactly know how it works, but everything has patterns, and it's related to Pi.

Correlation is not causation. Notice he doesn't predict the specific event that correlated to a turn date on his cyclical models.

Why would he open source his work for? That's his livelihood. He makes money with his work. You can access his data at a monthly cost, he provides that as a service. How is he a con artist, and con artist for what?

If his model really works, he should be abundantly wealthy already. Advancing the known science would be the next logical goal for someone who claims to value humanity so much.

I've granted him some extra leeway because if he was indeed put in Supermax prison for 7+ years on a bogus (framed) and unconstitutional contempt-of-court charge, then it's understandable he would need to rebuild his resources and catch up on lost years. It's easy to have empathy if this story is the true and entire story. But there's also a scenario one could imagine wherein this entire jail thing was constructed to create a martyr in our eyes, and then to manipulate us. Nevertheless, I lean towards believing him.

You can be skeptical, but when you state it's possible he is a con artist, give links to verify your claims.

It's easier to make money off naive people who believe without proof.

I've been an Armstrong supporter (even perhaps the most adamant supporter in this thread!) because I feel he has raised important issues and been somewhat prescient. But I'm not convinced that he has invented any new science. But I'm not accusing him of not. I'm just saying I will be skeptical until Armstrong explains his work in technical terms, not just glossing over the details to convince laymen.

EDIT: Armstrong appears to have responded even though I didn't message him:

To grasp what our model is really doing one must look at TIME and EVENTS more in the perspective of turning points – not specific events. Once you understand we are forecasting turning points on the TIME horizon, not specific events, you will begin to make a leap forward into a new world of understanding TIME.

Specific events on the horizon become easy for forecast based upon the trend in motion relative to TIME. When trends reach that events horizon in time, then a specific high or low is easily ascertained. Right now, we are in the throes of a major breakout and a characteristic of Vertical Markets has been what we call the Cycle Inversion process. Normally, turning points unfold in opposite pairs. So a November high would traditionally be followed by a January low. Merely exceeding the November high on a closing basis during December identified the continued rally into the next target being January 2018 warning we were (1) dealing with a Cycle Inversion, and (2) a Vertical Market that is going to be very difficult to trade for most people.

[OROBTC]

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CRED.me

Yeah, I am a believer in Armstrong more for his ideas than his specific predictions.

Agreed that it is hard to know how much his ideas are worth from the standpoint of any investors he might have (or subscriptions) and the fact that he does not publish his methodology.

It may be that we will just have to see.  Time may tell.  Perhaps more will be revealed.

[realr0ach]

The #metoo movement shows how horrible western women are:

This so-called "#metoo" movement is hilarious and shows how horrible of prostitutes western women are.  Every single male in the world with over $2 in their pocket now has 50 women claiming they were raped by them. Take this James Franco guy for instance.  Here's one of this guy's accusers, "Violet Paley".  It's some type of B-movie actress, and what was this prostitute doing in the year 2012?  Starting a gofundme page asking random strangers on the internet to give her $50,000 for no reason LOL:

http://www.gofundme.com/helpvioletgotocollege

Anyone who does shit like that is scum but women don't even care how it makes them look because the mind of a woman is literally the mind of a prostitute.  They believe men are supposed to provide for them, and if they do not have some type of fool giving them stuff on hand, or if nobody will marry them, their next course of action is ALWAYS to lobby for the govt to act as a replacement provider (which really just means the unwilling sum of all men should be forced to), and if that fails, it's time to try and extort someone like that guy.

We're going to have to abolish all forms of women's rights because they will vote for socialism 100% of the time, and if they can't get socialism from the govt or by finding some idiot to marry them, they will attempt to abuse the legal system to the max to try to find other ways to force men to give them money.

[InspireTTK]

Correlation is not causation. Notice he doesn't predict the specific event that correlated to a turn date on his cyclical models.

He predicts dates, and sees what happens when those dates come. https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/armstrongeconomics101/understanding-cycles/did-the-economic-confidence-model-pick-the-trump-tax-reform/

If his model really works, he should be abundantly wealthy already. Advancing the known science would be the next logical goal for someone who claims to value humanity so much.

I'm sure he's wealthy. He's not in it to be mega rich, he's here to help the world. He states that many times on his blog https://www.armstrongeconomics.com

But I'm not convinced that he has invented any new science. But I'm not accusing him of not. I'm just saying I will be skeptical until Armstrong explains his work in technical terms, not just glossing over the details to convince laymen.

He hasn't invented any science. All he saw was that everything has patterns, and it's related to Pi. That's his break through. One of his latest focus is the global cooling, which it's looking correct. Martin Armstrong is a genius for finding the pattern (in my opinion)

[realr0ach]

This one is even more interesting:

Oh yea, dirtbag Ethereum shill Vinay Gupta tries to start anti-white holocaust on Twitter, then admits the "guru" for where he learned this behavior was a Jew:

http://dailystormer.red/vinay-gupta-tragically-confirms-many-of-the-stereotypes-racists-have-about-brown-people/

[sidhujag]

This one is even more interesting:

Oh yea, dirtbag Ethereum shill Vinay Gupta tries to start anti-white holocaust on Twitter, then admits the "guru" for where he learned this behavior was a Jew:

http://dailystormer.red/vinay-gupta-tragically-confirms-many-of-the-stereotypes-racists-have-about-brown-people/

You are a serious waste of time. Last time I  click on any of your links.

[realr0ach]

This one is even more interesting:

Oh yea, dirtbag Ethereum shill Vinay Gupta tries to start anti-white holocaust on Twitter, then admits the "guru" for where he learned this behavior was a Jew:

http://dailystormer.red/vinay-gupta-tragically-confirms-many-of-the-stereotypes-racists-have-about-brown-people/

You are a serious waste of time. Last time I  click on any of your links.

Yea, I'm sure that has nothing to do with you and Vinay "white genocide" Gupta sharing the same ethnicity, or the fact that you're both also Ethereum shills.  Along with the typical 'all non-whites have to unite to destroy white people' garbage, he even claims women are a "harassed minority" haha.  What a crock of shit.  Since women live like 10 years longer than men, they would likely be the majority by default.  

Vinay Gupta is doing nothing but reciting anti-white, Jewish talking points.  He's also too stupid to understand that since Jews are a paper tiger of low population, they always attempt to use brown people as useful idiot street soldiers against other groups who attempt to resist them - playing one group against another behind the scenes.  If you think non-whites somehow benefit by teaming up with the Jews against whites, think again. It's evident what Jews think of brown people by their Kaufman/Hooton plan to try and force Euros to interbreed with Africans to dumb them down on purpose to make an easier to control slave population.

No deal can be made with the Jew regardless of if you think you derive some temporary benefit or not.  Just like the real or imaginary devil, they will always backstab you in the end anyway.