Cricket match prediction discussions

[UmerIdrees]

Muthiah Muralidharan was born in Srilanka but his origin was from Tamil Hindu community,at that period there are some wars going on among Sri lankans and Tamil where Sinhalis asked all thamil people to go back to India and killed millions of people who refused to migrate but now Srilankan Cricket board proud of having such a player.Its wall fo shame or just for political benefits.

Obviously in Sri Lanka, there is a lot of ethnic tension between the minority Tamils (who are mostly Saivite Hindus) and the Sinhalese (who are mostly Theravada Buddhist). But in Sri Lanka there is a clear cut separation of cricket from politics. You will not find a single Sinhalese who won't support Muralidharan. And similarly, you won't find a single Sri Lankan Tamil who doesn't support the national team. 

Dear we all are full of tension because we born in sub-continent and its almost full of tension so many ethnic groups and many little problems which can solved just in few hours and days we are living with them for centuries so we are almost 100 years back from normal world so please don't talk more about this things just love cricket and enjoy this.

Even many lives of innocent people are lost on the small issues. Most of the countries in this region face these issues and most of their budget is spent on war and defense and less work is being done in development of the humans. If these issues were not with us, we would have been top ranked in every field including sports and cricket.

[mersal]

Muthiah Muralidharan was born in Srilanka but his origin was from Tamil Hindu community,at that period there are some wars going on among Sri lankans and Tamil where Sinhalis asked all thamil people to go back to India and killed millions of people who refused to migrate but now Srilankan Cricket board proud of having such a player.Its wall fo shame or just for political benefits.

Obviously in Sri Lanka, there is a lot of ethnic tension between the minority Tamils (who are mostly Saivite Hindus) and the Sinhalese (who are mostly Theravada Buddhist). But in Sri Lanka there is a clear cut separation of cricket from politics. You will not find a single Sinhalese who won't support Muralidharan. And similarly, you won't find a single Sri Lankan Tamil who doesn't support the national team. 

Dear we all are full of tension because we born in sub-continent and its almost full of tension so many ethnic groups and many little problems which can solved just in few hours and days we are living with them for centuries so we are almost 100 years back from normal world so please don't talk more about this things just love cricket and enjoy this.

Sorry for that because it is getting off-topic.

Millions were killed and millions were moved as refugees due to that small issue and they were still living as refugee even after 30+ years on different countries like India which is something inhumane things were done to them,treat everyone as human.Politicians getting benefits not good for the country's future.

[JohnBitCo]

Muthiah Muralidharan was born in Srilanka but his origin was from Tamil Hindu community,at that period there are some wars going on among Sri lankans and Tamil where Sinhalis asked all thamil people to go back to India and killed millions of people who refused to migrate but now Srilankan Cricket board proud of having such a player.Its wall fo shame or just for political benefits.

Obviously in Sri Lanka, there is a lot of ethnic tension between the minority Tamils (who are mostly Saivite Hindus) and the Sinhalese (who are mostly Theravada Buddhist). But in Sri Lanka there is a clear cut separation of cricket from politics. You will not find a single Sinhalese who won't support Muralidharan. And similarly, you won't find a single Sri Lankan Tamil who doesn't support the national team. 

Dear we all are full of tension because we born in sub-continent and its almost full of tension so many ethnic groups and many little problems which can solved just in few hours and days we are living with them for centuries so we are almost 100 years back from normal world so please don't talk more about this things just love cricket and enjoy this.

Sorry for that because it is getting off-topic.

Millions were killed and millions were moved as refugees due to that small issue and they were still living as refugee even after 30+ years on different countries like India which is something inhumane things were done to them,treat everyone as human.Politicians getting benefits not good for the country's future.

I don't understand what cricket has to do with all this.
Every country has political issues and this is not strange for any country.

[Indymoney]

Muthiah Muralidharan was born in Srilanka but his origin was from Tamil Hindu community,at that period there are some wars going on among Sri lankans and Tamil where Sinhalis asked all thamil people to go back to India and killed millions of people who refused to migrate but now Srilankan Cricket board proud of having such a player.Its wall fo shame or just for political benefits.

Obviously in Sri Lanka, there is a lot of ethnic tension between the minority Tamils (who are mostly Saivite Hindus) and the Sinhalese (who are mostly Theravada Buddhist). But in Sri Lanka there is a clear cut separation of cricket from politics. You will not find a single Sinhalese who won't support Muralidharan. And similarly, you won't find a single Sri Lankan Tamil who doesn't support the national team.  

Dear we all are full of tension because we born in sub-continent and its almost full of tension so many ethnic groups and many little problems which can solved just in few hours and days we are living with them for centuries so we are almost 100 years back from normal world so please don't talk more about this things just love cricket and enjoy this.

Sorry for that because it is getting off-topic.

Millions were killed and millions were moved as refugees due to that small issue and they were still living as refugee even after 30+ years on different countries like India which is something inhumane things were done to them,treat everyone as human.Politicians getting benefits not good for the country's future.

I don't understand what cricket has to do with all this.
Every country has political issues and this is not strange for any country.

Yea its good we have to talk all about cricket nothing else.

[Sithara007]

Oh... common.... for once we can think rationally and get out of this moral highground BS. Playing cricket is like any other profession, and there is nothing wrong in changing your job in case the new employer is willing to give you a 100% hike.

I think the same applies when a player doesn't want to leave his "current employer" and he should be respected for his/her decision and let's not force X way of thinking upon others. Not everyone plays for Money by saying that I am not denying that some do play for it, but if you ask the majority of Cricketers their answer won't be Money but rather the Passion for Game and remember no amount of money can derive your passion in the real world.

I agree that there may be some players who would chose to play for their country, rather than taking part in the high-voltage franchise T20 leagues. But the number and proportion may be very low. One name that came up recently was that of Mitchell Starc, who opted out of the next edition of the IPL. Starc would have easily netted $1 million to $1.5 million from the IPL, but he chose to play for the national team instead.

Now the question is how many of the players would be courageous enough to take such a decision. The amount we are talking about here is really huge. And considering that the peak form for a fast bowler lasts just a few years, I just hope that Starc doesn't regret about his decision later (for reference, his contract pay from Cricket Australia is around $620,000 per year).

[UmerIdrees]

Oh... common.... for once we can think rationally and get out of this moral highground BS. Playing cricket is like any other profession, and there is nothing wrong in changing your job in case the new employer is willing to give you a 100% hike.

I think the same applies when a player doesn't want to leave his "current employer" and he should be respected for his/her decision and let's not force X way of thinking upon others. Not everyone plays for Money by saying that I am not denying that some do play for it, but if you ask the majority of Cricketers their answer won't be Money but rather the Passion for Game and remember no amount of money can derive your passion in the real world.

I agree that there may be some players who would chose to play for their country, rather than taking part in the high-voltage franchise T20 leagues. But the number and proportion may be very low. One name that came up recently was that of Mitchell Starc, who opted out of the next edition of the IPL. Starc would have easily netted $1 million to $1.5 million from the IPL, but he chose to play for the national team instead.

Now the question is how many of the players would be courageous enough to take such a decision. The amount we are talking about here is really huge. And considering that the peak form for a fast bowler lasts just a few years, I just hope that Starc doesn't regret about his decision later (for reference, his contract pay from Cricket Australia is around $620,000 per year).

Mitchell Starc may prefer to play for his country first and do not care much about the IPL money but most of the Asians cricketers will prefer these leagues over their national team. This does not mean the Asian cricketers are greedy for money but actually they do not get the respect which they deserve from the cricket board.

[ene1980]

One name that came up recently was that of Mitchell Starc, who opted out of the next edition of the IPL. Starc would have easily netted $1 million to $1.5 million from the IPL, but he chose to play for the national team instead.

Now the question is how many of the players would be courageous enough to take such a decision. The amount we are talking about here is really huge. And considering that the peak form for a fast bowler lasts just a few years, I just hope that Starc doesn't regret about his decision later (for reference, his contract pay from Cricket Australia is around $620,000 per year).

I am not sure whether you can call it an noble effort to opt out of a million dollar deal where you are able to make that amount with a dozen matches to be played in a months tournament and he is not even getting a million dollar for playing the entire year for Australia and it is no wonder everyone is retiring earlier to play for franchise leagues as they are able to make more money with less play time.

[Sithara007]

I am not sure whether you can call it an noble effort to opt out of a million dollar deal where you are able to make that amount with a dozen matches to be played in a months tournament and he is not even getting a million dollar for playing the entire year for Australia and it is no wonder everyone is retiring earlier to play for franchise leagues as they are able to make more money with less play time.

Well.. you are right. The amount that he would have received from the IPL in around one and half months is about 2.5 times what he could get from playing for Australia during the entire 2019-20 season. But sometimes players are more concerned about their own international records as well as patriotism towards the country. And this is where the difference between Starc and the West Indian players come in.

[Clement Kaliyar]

But sometimes players are more concerned about their own international records as well as patriotism towards the country. And this is where the difference between Starc and the West Indian players come in.

The West Indies cricket team is formed by players from different countries around that region and you cannot come up with the patriotic card along for these players to play for the West Indies cricket board and they need money and if the cricket board is not able to provide that they will be looking else where and the T20 franchise leagues are giving the money what they are looking for and hence they are performing globally.

[Vishnu.Reang]

Mitchell Starc may prefer to play for his country first and do not care much about the IPL money but most of the Asians cricketers will prefer these leagues over their national team. This does not mean the Asian cricketers are greedy for money but actually they do not get the respect which they deserve from the cricket board.

I am not sure about this. The Asian players, especially the Indians always prefer the national duty over franchise T20 leagues. Even Sandeep Lamichhane, the sole Nepali player appearing in these franchise leagues decided to represent his national team rather than taking part in one of the T20 leagues. The same goes for Sri Lankans, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis as well. They have always given preference to national duty. 

[7788bitcoin]

The Asian players, especially the Indians always prefer the national duty over franchise T20 leagues. Even Sandeep Lamichhane, the sole Nepali player appearing in these franchise leagues decided to represent his national team rather than taking part in one of the T20 leagues. The same goes for Sri Lankans, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis as well. They have always given preference to national duty. 

Is it because of the patriotic level or the fear of getting back in the team which pays a much better pay day per game in the long term rather than playing for these leagues which could end when the profits starts to diminish and as a player you will never try to piss off the cricket board to join any of these leagues as they might not get selected in the future unlike West Indies players as everyone mentioned.

[Clement Kaliyar]

Is it because of the patriotic level or the fear of getting back in the team

The reason is because they are contracted with the BCCI and they are not allowed to participate in any other leagues other than the IPL and once you are under contract with the BCCI and no one in the right sense will plan to breach those contracts and basically it is not patriotism that is displayed but they are fulfilling the contract they signed to play for the country and they are earning a hell lot of money playing cricket and hence no one will complain about the pay scale.

[Sithara007]

Is it because of the patriotic level or the fear of getting back in the team

The reason is because they are contracted with the BCCI and they are not allowed to participate in any other leagues other than the IPL and once you are under contract with the BCCI and no one in the right sense will plan to breach those contracts and basically it is not patriotism that is displayed but they are fulfilling the contract they signed to play for the country and they are earning a hell lot of money playing cricket and hence no one will complain about the pay scale.

You are right. None of the Indian players are allowed to play in franchise T20 leagues outside India. If they wish to do so, then they should retire from the domestic and international cricket and do so (similar to what players such as Zaheer Khan and Yuvraj Sigh have done). But in my opinion, this is a very repressive move from the BCCI. They should have at least allowed the domestic players to play abroad. It could have been mutually beneficial for both the sides. And now the other leagues have proved that they can survive without the Indian players.

[Vishnu.Reang]

Is it because of the patriotic level or the fear of getting back in the team

The reason is because they are contracted with the BCCI and they are not allowed to participate in any other leagues other than the IPL and once you are under contract with the BCCI and no one in the right sense will plan to breach those contracts and basically it is not patriotism that is displayed but they are fulfilling the contract they signed to play for the country and they are earning a hell lot of money playing cricket and hence no one will complain about the pay scale.

Well... this is not right, IMO. The IPL is truly a global league, with more than a hundred overseas players participating in it. There are instances when some of these players miss their national duty because of their commitment to the IPL. The players are benefiting from this, as their IPL salaries are manytimes what their national board would pay. But at the same time, the other cricket boards suffer due to the unavailability of these players.

Under these circumstances, is it correct for the BCCI to ban Indian players from participating in the foreign T20 leagues? We all know that their real intention is to cut back the popularity of these leagues (such as the Big Bash League and the Caribbean Premier League) in India, and to prevent these leagues from raking in valuable TV revenues.

[iram3130]

I feel that India badly needs good bowlers right now, some are good in death overs but not consistent. Also experienced support is clearly lacking. The third and final match is the decider and bets are high on both sides. Am going in with 51-49 towards India just because of Rohit Sharma's form right now.

[Clement Kaliyar]

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You are right. None of the Indian players are allowed to play in franchise T20 leagues outside India. If they wish to do so, then they should retire from the domestic and international cricket and do so (similar to what players such as Zaheer Khan and Yuvraj Sigh have done). But in my opinion, this is a very repressive move from the BCCI.

BCCI is the most powerful and financially sound board in the world and they decide what they want .

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Well... this is not right, IMO. The IPL is truly a global league, with more than a hundred overseas players participating in it. There are instances when some of these players miss their national duty because of their commitment to the IPL. The players are benefiting from this, as their IPL salaries are manytimes what their national board would pay. But at the same time, the other cricket boards suffer due to the unavailability of these players.

Because of the high pay scale they are playing in the IPL, hundreds of overseas players are playing in the IPL but how many Indian players are playing in the franchise T20 leagues abroad ?. None of the Indian players are playing because they cannot because of the contract they signed with the BCCI.

Under these circumstances, is it correct for the BCCI to ban Indian players from participating in the foreign T20 leagues? We all know that their real intention is to cut back the popularity of these leagues (such as the Big Bash League and the Caribbean Premier League) in India, and to prevent these leagues from raking in valuable TV revenues.

Yes the players are under BCCI contract and they can restrict the players and they are doing that if you are not aware of it.

[JSRAW]

Is it because of the patriotic level or the fear of getting back in the team

The reason is because they are contracted with the BCCI and they are not allowed to participate in any other leagues other than the IPL and once you are under contract with the BCCI and no one in the right sense will plan to breach those contracts and basically it is not patriotism that is displayed but they are fulfilling the contract they signed to play for the country and they are earning a hell lot of money playing cricket and hence no one will complain about the pay scale.

Well... this is not right, IMO. The IPL is truly a global league, with more than a hundred overseas players participating in it. There are instances when some of these players miss their national duty because of their commitment to the IPL. The players are benefiting from this, as their IPL salaries are manytimes what their national board would pay. But at the same time, the other cricket boards suffer due to the unavailability of these players.

Agree, this is a big problem and i personally don't enjoy mercenary attitudes from some players but i don't blame them either. their respective cricket board should communicate with them and resolve core issue, both sides need to come on some common ground and it shouldn't be like " My way or High way".
 

Under these circumstances, is it correct for the BCCI to ban Indian players from participating in the foreign T20 leagues? We all know that their real intention is to cut back the popularity of these leagues (such as the Big Bash League and the Caribbean Premier League) in India, and to prevent these leagues from raking in valuable TV revenues.

You are implying that BCCI should send their assets to other leagues. i would say its a suicidal move when conducting business, everything comes down to money etc anyway.

For business perspective is good move, we can argue that domestic players should get NOC for foreign T-20 leagues ( as pointed by Sithara007) but IMO T-20 leagues are not helpful in terms of exposure when comparing with IPL. if its for  Sheffield Shield, English Counties or Sunfoil Series (4 days match) then i am in favor without any doubt.

[Vishnu.Reang]

For business perspective is good move, we can argue that domestic players should get NOC for foreign T-20 leagues ( as pointed by Sithara007) but IMO T-20 leagues are not helpful in terms of exposure when comparing with IPL. if its for  Sheffield Shield, English Counties or Sunfoil Series (4 days match) then i am in favor without any doubt.

Well... I really doubt whether the Indian players will be interested in taking part in the 4-day competitions abroad. Earlier a lot of players (such as Saurav Ganguly and Rahul Dravid) used to do that, but now with such packed schedule, none of the mainstream players are interested in such foreign stints. That's why I said that the T20 leagues suit them more. Salary is high, and the work load is low. 

[JSRAW]

For business perspective is good move, we can argue that domestic players should get NOC for foreign T-20 leagues ( as pointed by Sithara007) but IMO T-20 leagues are not helpful in terms of exposure when comparing with IPL. if its for  Sheffield Shield, English Counties or Sunfoil Series (4 days match) then i am in favor without any doubt.

Well... I really doubt whether the Indian players will be interested in taking part in the 4-day competitions abroad. Earlier a lot of players (such as Saurav Ganguly and Rahul Dravid) used to do that, but now with such packed schedule, none of the mainstream players are interested in such foreign stints. That's why I said that the T20 leagues suit them more. Salary is high, and the work load is low. 

Not regular players but the ones who gets drop and go back to domestic cricket.

Including young blood from domestic cricket. BCCI should identify 15-20 players and encourage them to play for 4 day cricket in SENA countries, Similar to Rahane, Ashwin, Ishant. India can rule the Test cricket for next 10-20 years easily if they get their shit together.

[SaShiRaJaVu]

I feel that India badly needs good bowlers right now, some are good in death overs but not consistent. Also experienced support is clearly lacking. The third and final match is the decider and bets are high on both sides. Am going in with 51-49 towards India just because of Rohit Sharma's form right now.

It is a difficult position for India, the spinners are taken for runs in the past two matches from both teams and with high scoring games like these and heavy hitters who are able to put the ball out of the stadium, it is very difficult for the spinners as one loose ball and it will end up as a six and so is the reason the Indian spinners gave away 9 sixes in total in the last match.