Cricket match prediction discussions

[wiss19]

Bingo!

The exact same setup is present in India (cheap cable) but a big population helps the BCCI and broadcaster's cause, also Prime time IPL slot helps them to cut down their losses if there are any (unlikely) and the new OTT Platforms took the revenue model to another level.

In India, penetration rates are much higher. There are more than 100 million households with cable TV access in India (around 40% of the total population), while in Pakistan this number is just 15 million (around 25% to 30% of the population). Less than 5% of the households are having access to broadband, and unlike the case with India, 3G/4G data is quite expensive. So this hampers the popularity of online streaming platforms such as SONY LIV and Hotstar. There are ~115 million 3G/4G users in Pakistan, compared to 1,150 million in India.

Here I agreed with you all about all things but here I have another question why we are comparing this all with Pakistan as they are not good market, and we have no competition with them as well so doing these all statics are completely useless for me Pakistan is currently under many domestic and international issues, and we can watch any time big drop like we have in Sri Lankan case right now issue is just World Cup, so any team can win now it's no issue with surely around millions are going to watch this match live in many countries so if India is not involved then still ICC can take good profit even it's not like when India is in but every time you can't go with India.

As we have in last many events they are not doing good performance in pressure matches, so we have to accept this ICC can also survive without them and these small countries are also good source and have value just every time India is in not positive idea in this world cup we have too many controversies even I am feeling mostly were biased but still exist and all were against India because mostly were feeling Indian influence is surely having impact, and they are using this all which is not positive thing for me.

[og kush420]

Bingo!

The exact same setup is present in India (cheap cable) but a big population helps the BCCI and broadcaster's cause, also Prime time IPL slot helps them to cut down their losses if there are any (unlikely) and the new OTT Platforms took the revenue model to another level.

In India, penetration rates are much higher. There are more than 100 million households with cable TV access in India (around 40% of the total population), while in Pakistan this number is just 15 million (around 25% to 30% of the population). Less than 5% of the households are having access to broadband, and unlike the case with India, 3G/4G data is quite expensive. So this hampers the popularity of online streaming platforms such as SONY LIV and Hotstar. There are ~115 million 3G/4G users in Pakistan, compared to 1,150 million in India.

Here I agreed with you all about all things but here I have another question why we are comparing this all with Pakistan as they are not good market, and we have no competition with them as well so doing these all statics are completely useless for me Pakistan is currently under many domestic and international issues, and we can watch any time big drop like we have in Sri Lankan case right now issue is just World Cup, so any team can win now it's no issue with surely around millions are going to watch this match live in many countries so if India is not involved then still ICC can take good profit even it's not like when India is in but every time you can't go with India.

As we have in last many events they are not doing good performance in pressure matches, so we have to accept this ICC can also survive without them and these small countries are also good source and have value just every time India is in not positive idea in this world cup we have too many controversies even I am feeling mostly were biased but still exist and all were against India because mostly were feeling Indian influence is surely having impact, and they are using this all which is not positive thing for me.

i think what we all do is try to be an expert in everything with limited knowledge. And the point you have mentioned about not comparing India with Pakistan is right because they are different counties with different problems, yesterday i was watching a video of an India Army officer who was advising Pakistani PM - that he is most smart person to advise him what he should do. So funny

[Sithara007]

Overall agree but I would like to add one important thing about the former part of your post if we are playing the % game.

It's okay but at the same time no one, literally, no one could actually quantify the actual number of spectators. For ex i watched Ind vs Pak opening match at the roadside Dhaba (last 3 overs) with like 100 people standing in the parking.  

Even if we have the approximate number of spectators, it will be of limited use. Because revenue per spectator in India is much higher than the same in Pakistan. Cable TV subscription is much cheaper than what it is in India, and as far as I know online streaming platforms are not available. If you compare with India, around half of the revenue comes from online streaming platforms. Anyway, I don't expect any considerable improvement in the Pakistan market for the next decade at least. India would remain as the financial powerhouse.

[JSRAW]

Overall agree but I would like to add one important thing about the former part of your post if we are playing the % game.

It's okay but at the same time no one, literally, no one could actually quantify the actual number of spectators. For ex i watched Ind vs Pak opening match at the roadside Dhaba (last 3 overs) with like 100 people standing in the parking.  

Even if we have the approximate number of spectators, it will be of limited use. Because revenue per spectator in India is much higher than the same in Pakistan. Cable TV subscription is much cheaper than what it is in India, and as far as I know online streaming platforms are not available. If you compare with India, around half of the revenue comes from online streaming platforms. Anyway, I don't expect any considerable improvement in the Pakistan market for the next decade at least. India would remain as the financial powerhouse.

For the major part of IPL TV deals were dominating the space so not half tho (from OTT) but a fair amount.

Although it has changed drastically in the last 3-4 years and it peaked during covid but going forward OTT system is the favorite to dominate this space.

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Greg Barclay has been re-elected. 

[bryant.coleman]

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Greg Barclay has been re-elected. 

That would be disastrous for the sport of cricket. Now the pig-4 countries will become even more powerful, and smaller nations would be ignored. It also means that the sham eligibility system would remain in place, under which entire playing XI for "national" teams will be created 100% from foreign players. This will also negatively impact the inclusion of cricket in olympics. And the worst part is that Jay Shah has been elected as the head of Finance and Commercial Affairs committee. That will push the smaller nations to the fringe even more.

[JSRAW]

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Greg Barclay has been re-elected. 

That would be disastrous for the sport of cricket. Now the pig-4 countries will become even more powerful, and smaller nations would be ignored. It also means that the sham eligibility system would remain in place, under which entire playing XI for "national" teams will be created 100% from foreign players. This will also negatively impact the inclusion of cricket in olympics. And the worst part is that Jay Shah has been elected as the head of Finance and Commercial Affairs committee. That will push the smaller nations to the fringe even more.

Aha just posted the Jay Shah news in another thread.

IMHO Jay Shah as the finance head of the global committee is far more dangerous than Barclay being the Chairman because i believe BCCI is gearing up for a revenue drama (it'll impact everyone), which was started by Shashank Manohar a few years back.

[Uzairjutt275]

Today Pakistan vs New Zealand Match
 Both teams played well and outstanding. But Pakistan won semi finals by their balling and betting performance. So let's see Final Match which team won the Final Match??

It was an easy win at the end for Pakistan and they are through to the final - today England and India will compete. Most people predict that India and Pakistan will be playing FINAL. And there will be gambling and betting and lots of money moving around at the back..

Pakistan really gave their best yesterday, batting wise,balling, fielding ,all was perfect. They displayed some excellent cricket and beat Newzealand easily. Now let's see who'll win today India or England and join Pakistan in finals.

India already lose Semi final From England. Now let's see who win the Final Match. Pakistani Batsman always best. Hopefully, Rizwan and Babber make incredible Partnership as well as Bowlers also good. So, who will the T20 World Cup 2022 Pakistan or England??

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Today Pakistan vs New Zealand Match
 Both teams played well and outstanding. But Pakistan won semi finals by their balling and betting performance. So let's see Final Match which team won the Final Match??

It was an easy win at the end for Pakistan and they are through to the final - today England and India will compete. Most people predict that India and Pakistan will be playing FINAL. And there will be gambling and betting and lots of money moving around at the back..

Pakistan really gave their best yesterday, batting wise,balling, fielding ,all was perfect. They displayed some excellent cricket and beat Newzealand easily. Now let's see who'll win today India or England and join Pakistan in finals.

India already lose Semi final From England. Now let's see who win the Final Match. Pakistani Batsman always best. Hopefully, Rizwan and Babber make incredible Partnership as well as Bowlers also good. So, who will the T20 World Cup 2022 Pakistan or England??

Yes it true true that If Rizwan and Babar Azam can do well there will be chance to win of Pakistan but match prediction is still on the England side . And if you see the England teams middle and top both order side is more strong than Pakistan and this is one reason to keep England one step ahead .  At the end of the day if rain  doesn't spoil the match hopefully we will see a competitive game.

[Cryptock]

A major weakness of Pakistan is that when the top order is over, the match is over. It is difficult to win against a good opponent in such situations. As England is a complete team. England can be defeated by a combined effort. Pakistan have some good points here and if they can stay on the pitch especially top two wickets they can score a lot of runs. On the other there have good bowlers too. They can also do well in bowling action. But the Australian pitch is suitable for England where it will be hostile towards Pakistan.

Despite of all the weakness - Pakistan reached the final.
They have been certainty lucky to have reached the finals. Good luck to team Pakistan but I have at the back of my mind. Maybe England will win it.

[Naficopa]

Today Pakistan vs New Zealand Match
 Both teams played well and outstanding. But Pakistan won semi finals by their balling and betting performance. So let's see Final Match which team won the Final Match??

It was an easy win at the end for Pakistan and they are through to the final - today England and India will compete. Most people predict that India and Pakistan will be playing FINAL. And there will be gambling and betting and lots of money moving around at the back..

Pakistan really gave their best yesterday, batting wise,balling, fielding ,all was perfect. They displayed some excellent cricket and beat Newzealand easily. Now let's see who'll win today India or England and join Pakistan in finals.

India already lose Semi final From England. Now let's see who win the Final Match. Pakistani Batsman always best. Hopefully, Rizwan and Babber make incredible Partnership as well as Bowlers also good. So, who will the T20 World Cup 2022 Pakistan or England??

Yes it true true that If Rizwan and Babar Azam can do well there will be chance to win of Pakistan but match prediction is still on the England side . And if you see the England teams middle and top both order side is more strong than Pakistan and this is one reason to keep England one step ahead .  At the end of the day if rain  doesn't spoil the match hopefully we will see a competitive game.

A major weakness of Pakistan is that when the top order is over, the match is over. It is difficult to win against a good opponent in such situations. As England is a complete team. England can be defeated by a combined effort. Pakistan have some good points here and if they can stay on the pitch especially top two wickets they can score a lot of runs. On the other there have good bowlers too. They can also do well in bowling action. But the Australian pitch is suitable for England where it will be hostile towards Pakistan.

That's true to an extend Pakistan win is mostly in hands of its openers Muhammad Rizwan and Babar Azam  but Muhammad Haris ,Shan Masood and Iftikhar Ahmed are also performing very well batting wise . Pakistan balling is their lifting point if they want to win they should ball first and control runs and wickets (if they wins toss tomorrow).

[noormcs5]

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Greg Barclay has been re-elected. 

That would be disastrous for the sport of cricket. Now the pig-4 countries will become even more powerful, and smaller nations would be ignored. It also means that the sham eligibility system would remain in place, under which entire playing XI for "national" teams will be created 100% from foreign players. This will also negatively impact the inclusion of cricket in olympics. And the worst part is that Jay Shah has been elected as the head of Finance and Commercial Affairs committee. That will push the smaller nations to the fringe even more.

No matter who got elected the policies won't change much.  The smaller nations will always get ignored while the rich board will do everything to make them more rich.

India already lose Semi final From England. Now let's see who win the Final Match. Pakistani Batsman always best. Hopefully, Rizwan and Babber make incredible Partnership as well as Bowlers also good. So, who will the T20 World Cup 2022 Pakistan or England??

The weather prediction in Melbourne is not good for both Sunday and the reserve day, Monday.
So it may be possible that Weather wins at the end of the day which will not be good for the teams and spectators. Also, i am not in favor of reduced 10 over match. It should be a full 20 overs without interruption and DLS calculations.

[eaLiTy]

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A major weakness of Pakistan is that when the top order is over, the match is over. It is difficult to win against a good opponent in such situations. As England is a complete team. England can be defeated by a combined effort. Pakistan have some good points here and if they can stay on the pitch especially top two wickets they can score a lot of runs. On the other there have good bowlers too. They can also do well in bowling action. But the Australian pitch is suitable for England where it will be hostile towards Pakistan.

Pakistan bowlers are bowling their heart out and if the batsman can perform well then they would have the ability to win the title. It all depends upon the toss as i think it is crucial and then the Pakistan top order has to perform if they are to win as their middle order is always struggling to score runs throughout this tournament. England have a complete team even though they have some injury concerns they have one of the best all round team in the tournament.

[Sithara007]

Aha just posted the Jay Shah news in another thread.

IMHO Jay Shah as the finance head of the global committee is far more dangerous than Barclay being the Chairman because i believe BCCI is gearing up for a revenue drama (it'll impact everyone), which was started by Shashank Manohar a few years back.

Revenue drama was first started by N Srinivasan, when he changed the usual revenue distribution model, and then proposed to reduce the associate funding to zero. Shashank Manohar implemented a proposal that was somewhere in between (the pre-2015 model and the Srinivasan model). Then the BCCI  negotiated further to increase their share and Manohar modified his proposal again. It was again altered when Ireland and Afghanistan were promoted as full members. Their increased share came from the associate pot, and it further weakened the associate nations.

[JSRAW]

Aha just posted the Jay Shah news in another thread.

IMHO Jay Shah as the finance head of the global committee is far more dangerous than Barclay being the Chairman because i believe BCCI is gearing up for a revenue drama (it'll impact everyone), which was started by Shashank Manohar a few years back.

Revenue drama was first started by N Srinivasan, when he changed the usual revenue distribution model, and then proposed to reduce the associate funding to zero. Shashank Manohar implemented a proposal that was somewhere in between (the pre-2015 model and the Srinivasan model). Then the BCCI  negotiated further to increase their share and Manohar modified his proposal again. It was again altered when Ireland and Afghanistan were promoted as full members. Their increased share came from the associate pot, and it further weakened the associate nations.

From BCCI's perspective, it was all started by Shashank Manohar because they really think that he F$ucked em over, that's why I think these guys will try something new this time and no more status quo.

Hypothetical and not realistic but I wonder what if BCCI goes into destructive mode and actually back the associate members by increasing their pot? Let's say 50% deduction from all full tests nation.

[Cryptock]

Aha just posted the Jay Shah news in another thread.

IMHO Jay Shah as the finance head of the global committee is far more dangerous than Barclay being the Chairman because i believe BCCI is gearing up for a revenue drama (it'll impact everyone), which was started by Shashank Manohar a few years back.

Revenue drama was first started by N Srinivasan, when he changed the usual revenue distribution model, and then proposed to reduce the associate funding to zero. Shashank Manohar implemented a proposal that was somewhere in between (the pre-2015 model and the Srinivasan model). Then the BCCI  negotiated further to increase their share and Manohar modified his proposal again. It was again altered when Ireland and Afghanistan were promoted as full members. Their increased share came from the associate pot, and it further weakened the associate nations.

BCCI earns alot from IPL still they keep an eye on associate nations share which is not a good thing. BCCI dont want more tests teams since that will destroy the supremacy of BCCI in cricket. We need more nations in cricket, BCCI must help its neighbor Nepal to join as Test team.

[bitgov]

Aha just posted the Jay Shah news in another thread.

IMHO Jay Shah as the finance head of the global committee is far more dangerous than Barclay being the Chairman because i believe BCCI is gearing up for a revenue drama (it'll impact everyone), which was started by Shashank Manohar a few years back.

Revenue drama was first started by N Srinivasan, when he changed the usual revenue distribution model, and then proposed to reduce the associate funding to zero. Shashank Manohar implemented a proposal that was somewhere in between (the pre-2015 model and the Srinivasan model). Then the BCCI  negotiated further to increase their share and Manohar modified his proposal again. It was again altered when Ireland and Afghanistan were promoted as full members. Their increased share came from the associate pot, and it further weakened the associate nations.

From BCCI's perspective, it was all started by Shashank Manohar because they really think that he F$ucked em over, that's why I think these guys will try something new this time and no more status quo.

Hypothetical and not realistic but I wonder what if BCCI goes into destructive mode and actually back the associate members by increasing their pot? Let's say 50% deduction from all full tests nation.

England is about to win the world cup ladies and gentlemen. they are just 10 run away for the vicotry 2 sixs and the match is in over.
Pakistan should have done a much higher score at least to win the match.

[JSRAW]

^^ We are not talking about the World cup but the ICC election and revenue model.

And also to another poster If every country starts playing test matches then each and every board including ICC will go bankrupt. New teams should focus on LOIs only, without any doubt.

[bitgov]

^^ We are not talking about the World cup but the ICC election and revenue model.

And also to another poster If every country starts playing test matches then each and every board including ICC will go bankrupt. New teams should focus on LOIs only, without any doubt.

Today PAkistan and England has played in Final - England and Pakistan has a home series too and Pakistan performed well.
Today Pakistan lost their golden opportunity and their dream of becoming the world champions remains a dream.

[noormcs5]

BCCI earns alot from IPL still they keep an eye on associate nations share which is not a good thing. BCCI dont want more tests teams since that will destroy the supremacy of BCCI in cricket. We need more nations in cricket, BCCI must help its neighbor Nepal to join as Test team.

Rather than adding more nations why not focus of increasing the quality of cricket among the nations which are already playing cricket?
Even the old teams like Bangladesh, West Indies , Zimbabwe performances are not as they should be and we have only 3 to 5 teams which are considered to be strong team in world cricket.

^^ We are not talking about the World cup but the ICC election and revenue model.

And also to another poster If every country starts playing test matches then each and every board including ICC will go bankrupt. New teams should focus on LOIs only, without any doubt.

Today PAkistan and England has played in Final - England and Pakistan has a home series too and Pakistan performed well.
Today Pakistan lost their golden opportunity and their dream of becoming the world champions remains a dream.

Well, why do you think that only Pakistan had the dream of winning the title and becoming champions? England was also playing for the title and they played better cricket and deserve this title.    They held their emotions in this big match and were well rewarded.

[BobK71]

BCCI earns alot from IPL still they keep an eye on associate nations share which is not a good thing. BCCI dont want more tests teams since that will destroy the supremacy of BCCI in cricket. We need more nations in cricket, BCCI must help its neighbor Nepal to join as Test team.

Rather than adding more nations why not focus of increasing the quality of cricket among the nations which are already playing cricket?
Even the old teams like Bangladesh, West Indies , Zimbabwe performances are not as they should be and we have only 3 to 5 teams which are considered to be strong team in world cricket.

ICC may assist the cricket board but the responsibility of player selection depends on the local cricket board. If there is corruption then how we can get quality of cricket or cricketers. I think ICC has nothing to do in this regard. But if their nominated persons are aware then some progress can be expected in this concern. But that too cannot be enforced when political interference comes into cricket. The condition of Bangladesh, West Indies, Zimbabwe is like that, but in recent times, Zimbabwe cricket has come up in a better position than before. It can be said that their cricket has improved a lot.