Cricket match prediction discussions

[eaLiTy]

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A major weakness of Pakistan is that when the top order is over, the match is over. It is difficult to win against a good opponent in such situations. As England is a complete team. England can be defeated by a combined effort. Pakistan have some good points here and if they can stay on the pitch especially top two wickets they can score a lot of runs. On the other there have good bowlers too. They can also do well in bowling action. But the Australian pitch is suitable for England where it will be hostile towards Pakistan.

Pakistan bowlers are bowling their heart out and if the batsman can perform well then they would have the ability to win the title. It all depends upon the toss as i think it is crucial and then the Pakistan top order has to perform if they are to win as their middle order is always struggling to score runs throughout this tournament. England have a complete team even though they have some injury concerns they have one of the best all round team in the tournament.

[Sithara007]

Aha just posted the Jay Shah news in another thread.

IMHO Jay Shah as the finance head of the global committee is far more dangerous than Barclay being the Chairman because i believe BCCI is gearing up for a revenue drama (it'll impact everyone), which was started by Shashank Manohar a few years back.

Revenue drama was first started by N Srinivasan, when he changed the usual revenue distribution model, and then proposed to reduce the associate funding to zero. Shashank Manohar implemented a proposal that was somewhere in between (the pre-2015 model and the Srinivasan model). Then the BCCI  negotiated further to increase their share and Manohar modified his proposal again. It was again altered when Ireland and Afghanistan were promoted as full members. Their increased share came from the associate pot, and it further weakened the associate nations.

[JSRAW]

Aha just posted the Jay Shah news in another thread.

IMHO Jay Shah as the finance head of the global committee is far more dangerous than Barclay being the Chairman because i believe BCCI is gearing up for a revenue drama (it'll impact everyone), which was started by Shashank Manohar a few years back.

Revenue drama was first started by N Srinivasan, when he changed the usual revenue distribution model, and then proposed to reduce the associate funding to zero. Shashank Manohar implemented a proposal that was somewhere in between (the pre-2015 model and the Srinivasan model). Then the BCCI  negotiated further to increase their share and Manohar modified his proposal again. It was again altered when Ireland and Afghanistan were promoted as full members. Their increased share came from the associate pot, and it further weakened the associate nations.

From BCCI's perspective, it was all started by Shashank Manohar because they really think that he F$ucked em over, that's why I think these guys will try something new this time and no more status quo.

Hypothetical and not realistic but I wonder what if BCCI goes into destructive mode and actually back the associate members by increasing their pot? Let's say 50% deduction from all full tests nation.

[Cryptock]

Aha just posted the Jay Shah news in another thread.

IMHO Jay Shah as the finance head of the global committee is far more dangerous than Barclay being the Chairman because i believe BCCI is gearing up for a revenue drama (it'll impact everyone), which was started by Shashank Manohar a few years back.

Revenue drama was first started by N Srinivasan, when he changed the usual revenue distribution model, and then proposed to reduce the associate funding to zero. Shashank Manohar implemented a proposal that was somewhere in between (the pre-2015 model and the Srinivasan model). Then the BCCI  negotiated further to increase their share and Manohar modified his proposal again. It was again altered when Ireland and Afghanistan were promoted as full members. Their increased share came from the associate pot, and it further weakened the associate nations.

BCCI earns alot from IPL still they keep an eye on associate nations share which is not a good thing. BCCI dont want more tests teams since that will destroy the supremacy of BCCI in cricket. We need more nations in cricket, BCCI must help its neighbor Nepal to join as Test team.

[bitgov]

Aha just posted the Jay Shah news in another thread.

IMHO Jay Shah as the finance head of the global committee is far more dangerous than Barclay being the Chairman because i believe BCCI is gearing up for a revenue drama (it'll impact everyone), which was started by Shashank Manohar a few years back.

Revenue drama was first started by N Srinivasan, when he changed the usual revenue distribution model, and then proposed to reduce the associate funding to zero. Shashank Manohar implemented a proposal that was somewhere in between (the pre-2015 model and the Srinivasan model). Then the BCCI  negotiated further to increase their share and Manohar modified his proposal again. It was again altered when Ireland and Afghanistan were promoted as full members. Their increased share came from the associate pot, and it further weakened the associate nations.

From BCCI's perspective, it was all started by Shashank Manohar because they really think that he F$ucked em over, that's why I think these guys will try something new this time and no more status quo.

Hypothetical and not realistic but I wonder what if BCCI goes into destructive mode and actually back the associate members by increasing their pot? Let's say 50% deduction from all full tests nation.

England is about to win the world cup ladies and gentlemen. they are just 10 run away for the vicotry 2 sixs and the match is in over.
Pakistan should have done a much higher score at least to win the match.

[JSRAW]

^^ We are not talking about the World cup but the ICC election and revenue model.

And also to another poster If every country starts playing test matches then each and every board including ICC will go bankrupt. New teams should focus on LOIs only, without any doubt.

[bitgov]

^^ We are not talking about the World cup but the ICC election and revenue model.

And also to another poster If every country starts playing test matches then each and every board including ICC will go bankrupt. New teams should focus on LOIs only, without any doubt.

Today PAkistan and England has played in Final - England and Pakistan has a home series too and Pakistan performed well.
Today Pakistan lost their golden opportunity and their dream of becoming the world champions remains a dream.

[noormcs5]

BCCI earns alot from IPL still they keep an eye on associate nations share which is not a good thing. BCCI dont want more tests teams since that will destroy the supremacy of BCCI in cricket. We need more nations in cricket, BCCI must help its neighbor Nepal to join as Test team.

Rather than adding more nations why not focus of increasing the quality of cricket among the nations which are already playing cricket?
Even the old teams like Bangladesh, West Indies , Zimbabwe performances are not as they should be and we have only 3 to 5 teams which are considered to be strong team in world cricket.

^^ We are not talking about the World cup but the ICC election and revenue model.

And also to another poster If every country starts playing test matches then each and every board including ICC will go bankrupt. New teams should focus on LOIs only, without any doubt.

Today PAkistan and England has played in Final - England and Pakistan has a home series too and Pakistan performed well.
Today Pakistan lost their golden opportunity and their dream of becoming the world champions remains a dream.

Well, why do you think that only Pakistan had the dream of winning the title and becoming champions? England was also playing for the title and they played better cricket and deserve this title.    They held their emotions in this big match and were well rewarded.

[BobK71]

BCCI earns alot from IPL still they keep an eye on associate nations share which is not a good thing. BCCI dont want more tests teams since that will destroy the supremacy of BCCI in cricket. We need more nations in cricket, BCCI must help its neighbor Nepal to join as Test team.

Rather than adding more nations why not focus of increasing the quality of cricket among the nations which are already playing cricket?
Even the old teams like Bangladesh, West Indies , Zimbabwe performances are not as they should be and we have only 3 to 5 teams which are considered to be strong team in world cricket.

ICC may assist the cricket board but the responsibility of player selection depends on the local cricket board. If there is corruption then how we can get quality of cricket or cricketers. I think ICC has nothing to do in this regard. But if their nominated persons are aware then some progress can be expected in this concern. But that too cannot be enforced when political interference comes into cricket. The condition of Bangladesh, West Indies, Zimbabwe is like that, but in recent times, Zimbabwe cricket has come up in a better position than before. It can be said that their cricket has improved a lot.

[Tony116]

BCCI earns alot from IPL still they keep an eye on associate nations share which is not a good thing. BCCI dont want more tests teams since that will destroy the supremacy of BCCI in cricket. We need more nations in cricket, BCCI must help its neighbor Nepal to join as Test team.

Rather than adding more nations why not focus of increasing the quality of cricket among the nations which are already playing cricket?
Even the old teams like Bangladesh, West Indies , Zimbabwe performances are not as they should be and we have only 3 to 5 teams which are considered to be strong team in world cricket.

ICC may assist the cricket board but the responsibility of player selection depends on the local cricket board. If there is corruption then how we can get quality of cricket or cricketers. I think ICC has nothing to do in this regard. But if their nominated persons are aware then some progress can be expected in this concern. But that too cannot be enforced when political interference comes into cricket. The condition of Bangladesh, West Indies, Zimbabwe is like that, but in recent times, Zimbabwe cricket has come up in a better position than before. It can be said that their cricket has improved a lot.

I am absolutely not saying that there is no corruption in other sports. In a lot of sports, there are corrupt boards, but I don’t think those are corrupt at that level like cricket is.

I think there are other sports which are actually more corrupt, but that corruption is quite limited to the board, and individually. At least that corruption does not help to do anything with the sports body as far as I know.

And we can talk about FIFA if we want. I know Fifa is corrupted, and that is a big reason why FIFA is hosting the previous World Cup and also this World Cup in countries which are not famous for football.

But at least they are trying to give all teams equal value and respect. But the ICC absolutely does not care about any of that. They only care about money and that is why they also do not care about whatever happens to the quality of the teams playing cricket.

[bitgov]

BCCI earns alot from IPL still they keep an eye on associate nations share which is not a good thing. BCCI dont want more tests teams since that will destroy the supremacy of BCCI in cricket. We need more nations in cricket, BCCI must help its neighbor Nepal to join as Test team.

Rather than adding more nations why not focus of increasing the quality of cricket among the nations which are already playing cricket?
Even the old teams like Bangladesh, West Indies , Zimbabwe performances are not as they should be and we have only 3 to 5 teams which are considered to be strong team in world cricket.

ICC may assist the cricket board but the responsibility of player selection depends on the local cricket board. If there is corruption then how we can get quality of cricket or cricketers. I think ICC has nothing to do in this regard. But if their nominated persons are aware then some progress can be expected in this concern. But that too cannot be enforced when political interference comes into cricket. The condition of Bangladesh, West Indies, Zimbabwe is like that, but in recent times, Zimbabwe cricket has come up in a better position than before. It can be said that their cricket has improved a lot.

I am absolutely not saying that there is no corruption in other sports. In a lot of sports, there are corrupt boards, but I don’t think those are corrupt at that level like cricket is.

I think there are other sports which are actually more corrupt, but that corruption is quite limited to the board, and individually. At least that corruption does not help to do anything with the sports body as far as I know.

And we can talk about FIFA if we want. I know Fifa is corrupted, and that is a big reason why FIFA is hosting the previous World Cup and also this World Cup in countries which are not famous for football.

But at least they are trying to give all teams equal value and respect. But the ICC absolutely does not care about any of that. They only care about money and that is why they also do not care about whatever happens to the quality of the teams playing cricket.

There is a documentary about FIFA on netflix and it shows how corrupt the sport business are. There is a whole mafia behind all the entertainment - but about yesterday match with England - Pakistan did their best - but they failed. Pakistani fans are still happy and appreciating their efforts.

[BobK71]

BCCI earns alot from IPL still they keep an eye on associate nations share which is not a good thing. BCCI dont want more tests teams since that will destroy the supremacy of BCCI in cricket. We need more nations in cricket, BCCI must help its neighbor Nepal to join as Test team.

Rather than adding more nations why not focus of increasing the quality of cricket among the nations which are already playing cricket?
Even the old teams like Bangladesh, West Indies , Zimbabwe performances are not as they should be and we have only 3 to 5 teams which are considered to be strong team in world cricket.

ICC may assist the cricket board but the responsibility of player selection depends on the local cricket board. If there is corruption then how we can get quality of cricket or cricketers. I think ICC has nothing to do in this regard. But if their nominated persons are aware then some progress can be expected in this concern. But that too cannot be enforced when political interference comes into cricket. The condition of Bangladesh, West Indies, Zimbabwe is like that, but in recent times, Zimbabwe cricket has come up in a better position than before. It can be said that their cricket has improved a lot.

I am absolutely not saying that there is no corruption in other sports. In a lot of sports, there are corrupt boards, but I don’t think those are corrupt at that level like cricket is.

I think there are other sports which are actually more corrupt, but that corruption is quite limited to the board, and individually. At least that corruption does not help to do anything with the sports body as far as I know.

And we can talk about FIFA if we want. I know Fifa is corrupted, and that is a big reason why FIFA is hosting the previous World Cup and also this World Cup in countries which are not famous for football.

But at least they are trying to give all teams equal value and respect. But the ICC absolutely does not care about any of that. They only care about money and that is why they also do not care about whatever happens to the quality of the teams playing cricket.

There is a documentary about FIFA on netflix and it shows how corrupt the sport business are. There is a whole mafia behind all the entertainment - but about yesterday match with England - Pakistan did their best - but they failed. Pakistani fans are still happy and appreciating their efforts.

Maybe Pakistan gave his best. But Pakistan supporters expected to more. Many people thought in advance that Pakistan would take the T20 World Cup, but i considered it was not less where Pakistan play in the final match. However, lack of few runs, Pakistan could not control the match that is very clearly to the spectators. So many guessed if they could add 20 runs. Ben Stokes could not easily control them in the match at that position.

[bitgov]

Maybe Pakistan gave his best. But Pakistan supporters expected to more. Many people thought in advance that Pakistan would take the T20 World Cup, but i considered it was not less where Pakistan play in the final match. However, lack of few runs, Pakistan could not control the match that is very clearly to the spectators. So many guessed if they could add 20 runs. Ben Stokes could not easily control them in the match at that position.

That is correct - although they managed to take the Butlers wicket at early stage - later they tried to build some pressure but in the end stokes took the match from their hand. Sam  also performed well. But yesterday was not Pakistan day. It was the golden opportunity they missed after approx 30 years.

[Cryptock]

Well, why do you think that only Pakistan had the dream of winning the title and becoming champions? England was also playing for the title and they played better cricket and deserve this title.    They held their emotions in this big match and were well rewarded.

Pakistanis and Indians are very emotional by nature and they are crazy about cricket too - there is no doubt about it.
But loosing the match is very heartbreaking incident for Pakistani fan but they are happy at least their team came so far.

[og kush420]

BCCI earns alot from IPL still they keep an eye on associate nations share which is not a good thing. BCCI dont want more tests teams since that will destroy the supremacy of BCCI in cricket. We need more nations in cricket, BCCI must help its neighbor Nepal to join as Test team.

Rather than adding more nations why not focus of increasing the quality of cricket among the nations which are already playing cricket?
Even the old teams like Bangladesh, West Indies , Zimbabwe performances are not as they should be and we have only 3 to 5 teams which are considered to be strong team in world cricket.

ICC may assist the cricket board but the responsibility of player selection depends on the local cricket board. If there is corruption then how we can get quality of cricket or cricketers. I think ICC has nothing to do in this regard. But if their nominated persons are aware then some progress can be expected in this concern. But that too cannot be enforced when political interference comes into cricket. The condition of Bangladesh, West Indies, Zimbabwe is like that, but in recent times, Zimbabwe cricket has come up in a better position than before. It can be said that their cricket has improved a lot.

I am absolutely not saying that there is no corruption in other sports. In a lot of sports, there are corrupt boards, but I don’t think those are corrupt at that level like cricket is.

I think there are other sports which are actually more corrupt, but that corruption is quite limited to the board, and individually. At least that corruption does not help to do anything with the sports body as far as I know.

And we can talk about FIFA if we want. I know Fifa is corrupted, and that is a big reason why FIFA is hosting the previous World Cup and also this World Cup in countries which are not famous for football.

But at least they are trying to give all teams equal value and respect. But the ICC absolutely does not care about any of that. They only care about money and that is why they also do not care about whatever happens to the quality of the teams playing cricket.

Now there are less rumors about match fixing and ball tampering
Did anyone notice that or am I lagging back on the knowledge.
But congrats to team England for winning the T20 and world cup title at the same time. I dont know what they eat they are so good in their performance

[noormcs5]

Well, why do you think that only Pakistan had the dream of winning the title and becoming champions? England was also playing for the title and they played better cricket and deserve this title.    They held their emotions in this big match and were well rewarded.

Pakistanis and Indians are very emotional by nature and they are crazy about cricket too - there is no doubt about it.
But loosing the match is very heartbreaking incident for Pakistani fan but they are happy at least their team came so far.

Same thing i am trying to tell to the Pakistan fans that they should not feel heart broken by this loss. They should see that they had almost zero percent chance to reach the semi finals. It was a miracle performance by the Netherlands against South Africa and all of a sudden they found themselves in the semi finals.

I understand that they will think that they were only one win away from lifting the trophy but they should know that the other team had a much better journey to the finals and they truly deserve this win.

[Sithara007]

Same thing i am trying to tell to the Pakistan fans that they should not feel heart broken by this loss. They should see that they had almost zero percent chance to reach the semi finals. It was a miracle performance by the Netherlands against South Africa and all of a sudden they found themselves in the semi finals.

I understand that they will think that they were only one win away from lifting the trophy but they should know that the other team had a much better journey to the finals and they truly deserve this win.

It was mixed performance from the Pakistan team. Before the tournament started, Pakistan was one of the favorites to win the world cup. They had a terrific triangular series in New Zealand, where they whitewashed not just the hosts, but Bangladesh as well. But then they lost the match against India in the Super-12 stage. The lowest point was when they lost a close match against Zimbabwe. In the initial stages, both Babar Azam and Rizwan failed to get runs, and it really impacted the overall team performance.

[rojan]

BCCI earns alot from IPL still they keep an eye on associate nations share which is not a good thing. BCCI dont want more tests teams since that will destroy the supremacy of BCCI in cricket. We need more nations in cricket, BCCI must help its neighbor Nepal to join as Test team.

Rather than adding more nations why not focus of increasing the quality of cricket among the nations which are already playing cricket?
Even the old teams like Bangladesh, West Indies , Zimbabwe performances are not as they should be and we have only 3 to 5 teams which are considered to be strong team in world cricket.

ICC may assist the cricket board but the responsibility of player selection depends on the local cricket board. If there is corruption then how we can get quality of cricket or cricketers. I think ICC has nothing to do in this regard. But if their nominated persons are aware then some progress can be expected in this concern. But that too cannot be enforced when political interference comes into cricket. The condition of Bangladesh, West Indies, Zimbabwe is like that, but in recent times, Zimbabwe cricket has come up in a better position than before. It can be said that their cricket has improved a lot.

I am absolutely not saying that there is no corruption in other sports. In a lot of sports, there are corrupt boards, but I don’t think those are corrupt at that level like cricket is.

I think there are other sports which are actually more corrupt, but that corruption is quite limited to the board, and individually. At least that corruption does not help to do anything with the sports body as far as I know.

And we can talk about FIFA if we want. I know Fifa is corrupted, and that is a big reason why FIFA is hosting the previous World Cup and also this World Cup in countries which are not famous for football.

But at least they are trying to give all teams equal value and respect. But the ICC absolutely does not care about any of that. They only care about money and that is why they also do not care about whatever happens to the quality of the teams playing cricket.

Now there are less rumors about match fixing and ball tampering
Did anyone notice that or am I lagging back on the knowledge.
But congrats to team England for winning the T20 and world cup title at the same time. I dont know what they eat they are so good in their performance

What I think England now has many good quality players in both bowling and batting, they are very strong now. But I didn't think that England will win this world cup. I thought that Pakistan will win this world cup but because of Pakistan's bad batting.  Pakistan could not win this world cup. This time I supported Pakistan in the world cup.

[Sithara007]

What I think England now has many good quality players in both bowling and batting, they are very strong now. But I didn't think that England will win this world cup. I thought that Pakistan will win this world cup but because of Pakistan's bad batting.  Pakistan could not win this world cup. This time I supported Pakistan in the world cup.

Pakistan should be happy with what they got. Given their unpredictable performance (for example, the loss against Zimbabwe), they were quite lucky that some of the other matches went in their way (big thanks to the Dutch  ). Coming in to the tournament, they had perhaps the best batsmen and bowler in T20 cricket (Babar Azam and Shaheen Shah Afridi). But then, they couldn't keep up with the expectations. The good thing was that Babar regained his form when it mattered the most. But in the end, England proved to be a much better team (even without Mark Wood).

[GigaBit]

Same thing i am trying to tell to the Pakistan fans that they should not feel heart broken by this loss. They should see that they had almost zero percent chance to reach the semi finals. It was a miracle performance by the Netherlands against South Africa and all of a sudden they found themselves in the semi finals.

I understand that they will think that they were only one win away from lifting the trophy but they should know that the other team had a much better journey to the finals and they truly deserve this win.

It was mixed performance from the Pakistan team. Before the tournament started, Pakistan was one of the favorites to win the world cup. They had a terrific triangular series in New Zealand, where they whitewashed not just the hosts, but Bangladesh as well. But then they lost the match against India in the Super-12 stage. The lowest point was when they lost a close match against Zimbabwe. In the initial stages, both Babar Azam and Rizwan failed to get runs, and it really impacted the overall team performance.

Before the T20 World Cup, Pakistan was performing very well. Their excellent performances in several series started the dream of winning the World Cup. But their cricket often faltered. Many used to say that Top Oder dependable team. They also had to lose against teams like Zimbabwe in the World Cup. As a result, the trust in them gradually decreases. However, they could not recover from that weakness even if they got a chance to play in the final.